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With all the current conferences, I wouldn't hold your breath for a 4-team playoff....let alone an 8 or 16.
Now with the Super Conferences looming, who knows what will happen to the bowls, BCS, or if a playoff system will be created. Heck, we may see some crazy hybrid of the new Big Ten hosting a playoff on it's own. If it can make more money on it's own, they'd do it.
Who knows....maybe each Super Conference will have a 4-team playoff and then send their winner to a 4-team Super Conference playoff system. Wow, that would be cool.
At this point, anything could happen. But I do want this Super Conference setup to happen. I think the odds of a playoff increase with them.
As far as what happens to the non-BCS schools that don't get an invite to the 4 SC's.....sucks to be them.
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I totally disagree with that specific article. That is so far-fetched, it's not even funny. The gap in college football is closing as far as mid-majors, and the elite programs. All this does is create a club of 64, that might not be the best 64 programs. No Boise, Byu, UTah, or CIncy???
A playoff system will solve all the problems. I would be fine with an 8 team, or 16 team field.
revenue and academics are the most important aspects, so Boise and Cinci might be on the outside looking in.
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Come on now. the guy listed 64 teams based on how much money their athletic program brings in. that has nothing to do with academics.
these are the same presidents that don't want a playoff system for a variety of reason, yet they're going to develop their own league?? IT's way too radical. a pipe dream if you ask me. college football is way too backwards to come up with this. just my 2 cents.
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i agree his idea was too radical. i was mostly showing it for his response in that despite him throwing spaghetti onto the wall, yes academics will play a major part in whatever re-alignment happens.
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Adding the viewers in the state of Texas doesn't grow the pie?? You're kidding, right?
It also helps the SEC net just as the Big 10 net is helped by it's viewer base.
the SEC net, yes that it would help. But, from the negotiations, I haven't read anything about an 'out' clause on expansion or anything other than the deal was for the conference for $X for Xyears.
ESPN and CBS would love if the SEC added those schools. but, would they tear up the contract to do it? that's the huge question here.
I am not going to speculate on the language in the CBS deal or how long the contract runs, but one has to look long term....not just 2-3-4 years down the road.
If the run is to 16 teams by the Big 10.....you will see others run to 16 as well....I can't remember who was going where, but you basically end up with four 16 team conferences.....SI called it the Armageddon scenario....more or less with those 4, they bolt the NCAA and form their own union.
Something I have been advocating on these boards for a number of years.
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it's the Andy Staples article I linked to above.
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If the run is to 16 teams by the Big 10.....you will see others run to 16 as well....I can't remember who was going where, but you basically end up with four 16 team conferences.....SI called it the Armageddon scenario....more or less with those 4, they bolt the NCAA and form their own union.
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It's looking more and more likely within the last few months too. What would they need the NCAA and BCS for then?
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it's the Andy Staples article I linked to above.
No it's not. That article was from February. There is a new one in one of the last issues of SI. I think the one with the Yankee Four Hoursemen on the front cover.
The context was the same but the content was different. This new article had (3) senarios laid out. It was a pretty good read while I waited for my tire to get fixed.
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i was referring to the scenario that 'Peen just mentioned. it's laid out exactly how he mentioned from SI and yes back in February.
if there's a more recent version of it, great, but the 'armageddon' scenario where they all leave the NCAA was laid out by Staples in that link.
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Here is the article: web page
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Expansion FAQs: Clearing the haze around conference realignment
yes, i've read this one from Mandel. it's extremely fair on all points (revenue, academics, ND's lack of desire to move) and mentions the low probability of the superconference scheme actually playing out.
i also think he's probably right on what he thinks will ultimately happen with the big10. nebraska, mizzou and rutgers joining to make it 14 teams (for now) and adding major $$$ to the big10 bank.
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Thanks....I couldn't find the article.....I think it lays it out pretty well.
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The Big 12 meetings are reaching their climax Thursday and Friday in Kansas City with the presidents and chancellors from the league coming together to discuss pressing issues, including sites for championships. (Look for the Big 12 title game in football to stay at Cowboys Stadium for the next three years.) But when it comes to possible realignment, the Big 12 meetings may be premature. Why? Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation. UT Photo Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds has maintained that the Longhorns will do whatever it takes to remain the Jones' of college football. Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri. Messages left with Pac-10 officials by Orangebloods.com on Thursday were not immediately returned. The six teams from the Big 12 would be in an eight-team division with Arizona and Arizona State. The other eight-team division would consist of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State. The thought is the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network that could command premium subscriber dollars from cable providers on par with the Big Ten Network and pay out upwards of $20 million to each of the 16 schools in TV revenue. Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi. Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008. According to the Omaha World-Herald, the TV revenues paid out to the Big 12 in 2007 (the last year revenue was made public) were as follows: 1. Texas: $10.2 million 2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million 3. Kansas: $9.24 million 4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million 5. Nebraska: $9.1 million 6. Missouri: $8.4 million 7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million 8. Kansas State: $8.21 million 9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million 10. Colorado: $8.0 million 11. Iowa State: $7.4 million 12. Baylor: $7.1 million AN OFFER THAT CAN'T BE REFUSED? An invitation from the Pac-10 will be hard for the six Big 12 schools being targeted not to consider. Why? Because Fox Cable Networks (a division of News Corporation), which serves as the chief operating partner of the successful Big Ten Network, appears ready to make the Big 16 Network happen. Fox is the chief television partner of the Pac-10 currently, and its subsidiary Fox Sports Net currently holds the rights to the Big 12 cable package, which comes up for bid in the spring of 2011. The Pac-10 also has television deals with Fox up for re-bid at the same time. The Big Ten has shown the conference network model works. According to published reports, the TV revenue paid out to Big Ten schools jumped from $14 million for the fiscal year 2006-07 to $22 million for the fiscal year 2007-08. A&M TO THE SEC? There does appear to be some resistance to an invitation from the Pac-10 from at least one of the six schools being targeted - Texas A&M. According to a source close to the situation, A&M officials have had serious conversations with the Southeastern Conference about the Aggies joining that league. In Thursday's editions of the Houston Chronicle, A&M athletic director Bill Byrne was asked if the SEC is an option for the Aggies should the Big 12 break up, and he said, "It might be. You know what? It might be." Byrne, the athletic director at Oregon from 1984-92 before going to Nebraska, has been openly critical of having student-athletes travel west, only to return home at odd hours. Byrne has used the example of when the Aggies had their men's and women's basketball teams in Spokane and Seattle for the NCAA Tournament in March and couldn't get back to College Station until 6:30 a.m. with students having to attend 8 a.m. classes. It's no coincidence Byrne's example included cities in the Pac-10's dominant time zone. There is also reason to believe Oklahoma could be enamored with joining the SEC. But that does not appear to be an option Texas officials would be willing to consider. There is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with Texas. If A&M and Oklahoma were to splinter off and join the SEC, the Pac-10 would obviously have to revise its invite list. Any move the SEC made in terms of expansion would likely cause the 15-year, $3 billion in TV contracts the SEC landed with ABC/ESPN ($2.2 billion) and CBS ($825 million) to be re-opened for negotiation. The question would be how much more money the SEC could command in TV revenue without starting its own network? A&M is starved for cash because its athletic department fell $16 million into debt and received a loan from the school's general fund to pay it off, causing a rift between the university and athletics. That rift, in part, led to A&M school president Elsa Murano to resign under pressure because she was pushing for the money to be paid back and was met with resistance by A&M system chancellor Mike McKinney, whose sons played football at A&M, and possibly even Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Aggie who is still very involved in the school's politics. Surprisingly, the Legislature doesn't appear to be an obstacle for the state's two biggest schools to split off into separate conferences, although that is not an ideal situation for either school. If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports. NEW OPTIONS So after this weekend, there will be a new option for half the schools in the Big 12 to find a new home. There also appears to be a chance Nebraska will not get invited to the Big Ten, which means the only school the Big 12 stands to lose to the Big Ten is Missouri. The Big Ten and its efforts to move south, thus far, have been rebuffed by Texas, which doesn't like the logistics of serving as the southern boundary of the Big Ten. So the Big Ten continues to focus on Notre Dame and is seriously considering whether to invite Missouri as well as three schools from the Big East (Rutgers, UConn and either Syracuse or Pittsburgh) . Such a move would likely collapse the Big East, where Notre Dame plays its sports other than football, and might cause the Irish to finally acquiesce to joining the Big Ten. If that happened, there would be a strong likelihood that four super conferences of roughly 16 teams could emerge: the Big Ten, the SEC, a collaboration of the Big 12 and Pac-10 as well as a collaboration of the Big East and ACC. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe warned against that when the Big 12 meetings started this week in Kansas City. "I think it's very serious," Beebe said. "And I think it's something that we better be very careful about. If we come to a day where there are four 16-member conferences, then it's going to be a sad day, and it's going to be very difficult to not have more legal issues and interventions. The pressures will be immense for certain programs to be successful, (and) there will be less chances to win conference championships and national championships." CAN THE BIG 12 SURVIVE? Believe it or not, it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues. Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network. Larry Scott, the Pac-10 commissioner, told Orangebloods.com recently his schools are "very interested" in exploring a conference network and that it would have to be an "all rights in situation." Can Texas convince the rest of the league the Big 12 is the way to go? Would all the wandering eyes like Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Missouri commit to staying in the Big 12 immediately if Texas committed to staying in the Big 12 in light of the Pac-10 offer? Missouri probably would not. The Tigers already have one foot in the Big Ten. But Nebraska has no assurance it will be invited to the Big Ten and could be left completely out of the power conference structure if it's not careful. Texas A&M doesn't have the resources to start its own network and doesn't appear eager to be in a league that allows Texas to generate added revenue. The same might be true for OU. So the plot thickens. The Pac-10, which is hamstrung by geography and would love to have its sports aired into the Central time zone, wants a merger. And it appears ready to upstage the Big Ten in this game of musical conferences. No one would have its own network in the Big 16, which could compel A&M and OU to accept an invitation. The Pac-10 doesn't want to waste time by going out on dates with the Big 12 with a non-conference football scheduling alliance. It wants to take half of the Big 12 and get married. Now, we'll see, who, if anyone, meets them at the altar. web page ----------------------------------------------------------- And so it begins!!!?  
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yeah, since orangebloods broke this it's been all over the place down here.
problem is, Pac10 seems to be trying to force the hand of Texas. And there's no guarantee what they do. Heck, they could go independent as is the big rumor down here (their own network would keep them financially relevant with the huge population here).
Does Texas want to join the Pac10?
Will the Big10 and SEC give Texas a bid quicker if the Pac10 tries to strike first?
Without Texas, does the Pac10 really want Tech and A&M?
Does A&M want the Pac10 when the SEC is potentially a better fit for them?
Would the SEC want A&M?
Definitely some interesting stuff going on. I'm a bit surprised that the Pac10 is playing nice with the Big10 though. I expected them to go after Nebraska (big national following) and Missouri (KC and StL markets) that the Big10 wants. It almost seems like they are extending an olive branch hoping the Big10 let's them pursue the Texas schools (doubt that happens...SEC will fight for them too as they control too many TV sets not to).
Of those left out....Kansas could be a good fit in the SEC (Jayhawks bringing basketball to the SEC-West). Iowa State, Baylor, and K-state would be left fighting for whatever slots might open up across the country.
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Rumor has it that the MWC is going to invite Boise State to join later this week, which would give them a pretty impressive slate of non-BCS teams. There was also talk of them bringing Fresno State aboard as well. Not exactly the powerhouse names like the SEC brings, but football wise, you couldn't exactly say they have a weak conference schedule anymore. They would also be knocking on the door of BCS qualification.
With some of the implosions of other leagues, I wonder if the MWC becomes a player in picking up a team like Nebraska or other 2nd-tier level teams if they get left out in the cold by the Pac-10/Big-10 ... make a bit of a super-conference themselves?
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)—An e-mail sent by the president of Ohio State to the Big Ten’s commissioner hints that the conference is pursuing Texas as part of its expansion plans. Ohio State President Gordon Gee told Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany in an April 20 e-mail that Gee had spoken with University of Texas president Bill Powers. In the e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, Gee writes that Powers would welcome a call to say they have a “Tech” problem. It’s not clear what that means, but Texas Tech is one of Texas’ rivals in the Big 12 conference. In another e-mail, Gee told the Big Ten commissioner that the conference controls its own destiny, but must move swiftly. The e-mails were first reported by The Columbus Dispatch. Ohio State said Friday it would not comment beyond what was in the e-mails, and that Gee was out of state and not available. The conference got the attention of all college sports when it announced that it was considering adding to its current 11 members, a move that could lead to the expansion or demise of other leagues. The Big Ten’s timetable for exploring expansion is said to reach into 2011. Delany said last month that gaining a foothold in the South and extending the reach of the league’s lucrative television network were the two biggest factors as it decides whether to expand. Texas would fit nicely into both those goals. The university’s football and men’s basketball teams are perennial national contenders and boast huge followings that would benefit the Big Ten Network. Adding Texas also has a downside, including increased travel costs for non-revenue sports such as soccer and volleyball. The Big Ten’s TV network allows the conference to generate more than any other conference in the country. Some reports have said that Big Ten paid out around $22 million to each school in 2008. Gee, a proponent of expansion, wrote in an e-mail to Delany on April 19 that the conference can’t wait too long to make its plans. “I am of the mind that we control our destiny at the moment, but the window will soon close on us. Agility and swiftness of foot is our friend,” Gee wrote. Delany responded within an hour: “We are fast tracking it but need to know the $ and observe contracts. Also need to make sure we leverage this to increase chance of hr additions.” Gee also asked Delany how he could help. Delany said he would call him to test some ideas. The next day, Gee told Delany he had talked with the Texas president. web page -------------------------------------------------- The Plot thickens!!!!!!  Personally I see Texas fitting in the SEC better than anywhere else but I want the Super Conference scenario to happen one way or another. 
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Texas w/ the current Big 10 teams just doesn't feel right to me.
Sure, they'd fit into the SEC, but I'd rather see them go to the PAC 10 and make USC work harder to be best.
I yawn at any scenario other than Notre Dame to the Big 10.
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Sure, they'd fit into the SEC, but I'd rather see them go to the PAC 10 and make USC work harder to be best.
I yawn at any scenario other than Notre Dame to the Big 10.
Texas would be a GREAT addition for the Big 10. They're always decent in basketball and they're good in football and baseball.
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Texas w/ the current Big 10 teams just doesn't feel right to me.
Sure, they'd fit into the SEC, but I'd rather see them go to the PAC 10 and make USC work harder to be best.
I yawn at any scenario other than Notre Dame to the Big 10.
Notre Dame make the Big 10 Network more money but doesn't make the confrence much better. They would be a lower Middle of the road team in the Big 10. Texas is probably the biggest fish out there that will possibly leave their current confrence. Strike that they ARE the biggest fish. (I mean that in terms of Rankings of Football teams and not $$$ they can bring but with how big Texas is I'd say they would be second in the $$$ department behind Notre Dame)
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I don't want Texas in the SEC. SEC needs basketball powers more than football.
Where the Big Ten needs football powers, not basketball.
Texas to the Big Ten makes sense.
For the SEC (if we add 4 teams to get to 16), I'd want...
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Hmmm, I read UConn going either to the Big 10 or the ACC in the 16 team conference scenario.
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Okay ... why doesn't the NCAA just re-align everybody into six 20-team conferences and get it over with.  Then the six conference winners and the top two ranked teams after that can play in an 8-team Playoff bracket, give one last dirt-shovel to college football tradition, and everyone is happy. 
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First they have to all build domes so everybody can play in the same conditions and then get rid of bands and those pesky cheerleaders.
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*I read that scenario somewhere.. I LOVE that idea for the SEC.
I agree that I think the SEC will go after basketball powers, but ANYONE would take Texas if they could nab them.
I think the SEC goes after (if they don't get TX):
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Kansas State - or Cincinatti or TX A&M (though they likely follow TX)
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West Virginia
Pittsburgh and UConn just seem to "fit" better in the ACC.
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Besides money, what does The Ohio State University have to gain by adding Texas? I know its not an easier path to the national Championship game.
Not sure how you sell that to a buckeye
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Not sure how you sell that to a buckeye
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#1 Ohio State is 1 vote of 11.
#2 Adding Texas adds more educational and athletic legitimacy than any other school available.
#3 Major $$$. Major, major $$$.
#4 A great foil for the other side of the bracket. A 16-team Big10 would likely not play each other that often (play other 7 on your side and 1 or 2 from other side each year). It would make a great championship game that works as a playoff type for the national championship.
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#1 Yes, its the big ten, not big OSU #2 Education and athletics, yes adding Texas would add that. Ill take the current Big 10 academics and prefer to not go through Texas every year #3 Money $$$ there you go #4 16 Big 10 teams  Ill take a dime bag, it must be funky
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well, you're not adding TX without adding a school closer to it than Iowa.
word down here is that A&M is mad about all this TX talk and will go to the SEC just to spite them, but I think cooler heads would prevail and they'd go with TX to the Big10, which they are still a good fit.
the problem is that politicians here want TX, A&M, and Tech to remain linked.
I think if it's TX, A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame, then the Big10 would be doing cartwheels. That's definitely choice #1.
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Apparently all that's left for Boise State is the formalities of actually voting. A rep for BSU has said that they've got 7 of the 9 schools voting yes for the invitation. This puts the conference in a position of strength as it now legitimizes them. At which point when doomsday comes they can then leverage themselves to land schools who fear may get left by the wayside (the 4 left schools from the Big 12)
I've got a feeling that Expansiongeddon will most likely happen once Missouri and/or Nebraska decides their fate. Once that happens Texas will then juggle their options... and then the real fun will begin.
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Might not be an easier road, but might actually be a better road. The name caliber that Texas brings will forever catapult them into the National Championship. (Vice Versa if the Longhorns won) Sometimes competition is good. It forces everyone else to do better. The Big 10 needs another team that can reload every year. What gets interesting is that the majority of the recruiting will not step on each others feet.
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Yes, because the easy road has worked so well for you the last few trips to the big game  Why would you not be in favor of playing a tougher schedule, and preparing yourself better for the next time you get to the title game?
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It has nothing to do with schedule. OHio State plays the big boys, year in and year out. In 06, and 07, the bucks wern't as good as everyone thought. Florida and Lsu were just better.
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That's great. I will be all for this expansion, as long as teams like Boise, Tcu, and Utah aren't left out of the mix.
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We'll know more Monday as that is when the MWC meets up in Laramie. It's possible they'll also talk about larger expansion than that as other teams rumored are Fresno State (as mentioned eariler), Nevada and Houston. As those three add something that Boise does not.
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The Big 12 meetings are reaching their climax Thursday and Friday in Kansas City with the presidents and chancellors from the league coming together to discuss pressing issues, including sites for championships. (Look for the Big 12 title game in football to stay at Cowboys Stadium for the next three years.)
But when it comes to possible realignment, the Big 12 meetings may be premature.
Why?
Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
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Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds has maintained that the Longhorns will do whatever it takes to remain the Jones' of college football.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
Messages left with Pac-10 officials by Orangebloods.com on Thursday were not immediately returned.
The six teams from the Big 12 would be in an eight-team division with Arizona and Arizona State. The other eight-team division would consist of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.
The thought is the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network that could command premium subscriber dollars from cable providers on par with the Big Ten Network and pay out upwards of $20 million to each of the 16 schools in TV revenue.
Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi.
Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008.
According to the Omaha World-Herald, the TV revenues paid out to the Big 12 in 2007 (the last year revenue was made public) were as follows:
1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million
AN OFFER THAT CAN'T BE REFUSED?
An invitation from the Pac-10 will be hard for the six Big 12 schools being targeted not to consider. Why? Because Fox Cable Networks (a division of News Corporation), which serves as the chief operating partner of the successful Big Ten Network, appears ready to make the Big 16 Network happen.
Fox is the chief television partner of the Pac-10 currently, and its subsidiary Fox Sports Net currently holds the rights to the Big 12 cable package, which comes up for bid in the spring of 2011. The Pac-10 also has television deals with Fox up for re-bid at the same time.
The Big Ten has shown the conference network model works. According to published reports, the TV revenue paid out to Big Ten schools jumped from $14 million for the fiscal year 2006-07 to $22 million for the fiscal year 2007-08.
A&M TO THE SEC?
There does appear to be some resistance to an invitation from the Pac-10 from at least one of the six schools being targeted - Texas A&M. According to a source close to the situation, A&M officials have had serious conversations with the Southeastern Conference about the Aggies joining that league.
In Thursday's editions of the Houston Chronicle, A&M athletic director Bill Byrne was asked if the SEC is an option for the Aggies should the Big 12 break up, and he said, "It might be. You know what? It might be."
Byrne, the athletic director at Oregon from 1984-92 before going to Nebraska, has been openly critical of having student-athletes travel west, only to return home at odd hours.
Byrne has used the example of when the Aggies had their men's and women's basketball teams in Spokane and Seattle for the NCAA Tournament in March and couldn't get back to College Station until 6:30 a.m. with students having to attend 8 a.m. classes.
It's no coincidence Byrne's example included cities in the Pac-10's dominant time zone.
There is also reason to believe Oklahoma could be enamored with joining the SEC. But that does not appear to be an option Texas officials would be willing to consider. There is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with Texas.
If A&M and Oklahoma were to splinter off and join the SEC, the Pac-10 would obviously have to revise its invite list.
Any move the SEC made in terms of expansion would likely cause the 15-year, $3 billion in TV contracts the SEC landed with ABC/ESPN ($2.2 billion) and CBS ($825 million) to be re-opened for negotiation.
The question would be how much more money the SEC could command in TV revenue without starting its own network?
A&M is starved for cash because its athletic department fell $16 million into debt and received a loan from the school's general fund to pay it off, causing a rift between the university and athletics. That rift, in part, led to A&M school president Elsa Murano to resign under pressure because she was pushing for the money to be paid back and was met with resistance by A&M system chancellor Mike McKinney, whose sons played football at A&M, and possibly even Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Aggie who is still very involved in the school's politics.
Surprisingly, the Legislature doesn't appear to be an obstacle for the state's two biggest schools to split off into separate conferences, although that is not an ideal situation for either school. If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports.
NEW OPTIONS
So after this weekend, there will be a new option for half the schools in the Big 12 to find a new home.
There also appears to be a chance Nebraska will not get invited to the Big Ten, which means the only school the Big 12 stands to lose to the Big Ten is Missouri. The Big Ten and its efforts to move south, thus far, have been rebuffed by Texas, which doesn't like the logistics of serving as the southern boundary of the Big Ten.
So the Big Ten continues to focus on Notre Dame and is seriously considering whether to invite Missouri as well as three schools from the Big East (Rutgers, UConn and either Syracuse or Pittsburgh) . Such a move would likely collapse the Big East, where Notre Dame plays its sports other than football, and might cause the Irish to finally acquiesce to joining the Big Ten.
If that happened, there would be a strong likelihood that four super conferences of roughly 16 teams could emerge: the Big Ten, the SEC, a collaboration of the Big 12 and Pac-10 as well as a collaboration of the Big East and ACC.
Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe warned against that when the Big 12 meetings started this week in Kansas City.
"I think it's very serious," Beebe said. "And I think it's something that we better be very careful about. If we come to a day where there are four 16-member conferences, then it's going to be a sad day, and it's going to be very difficult to not have more legal issues and interventions. The pressures will be immense for certain programs to be successful, (and) there will be less chances to win conference championships and national championships."
CAN THE BIG 12 SURVIVE?
Believe it or not, it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues.
Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network.
Larry Scott, the Pac-10 commissioner, told Orangebloods.com recently his schools are "very interested" in exploring a conference network and that it would have to be an "all rights in situation."
Can Texas convince the rest of the league the Big 12 is the way to go? Would all the wandering eyes like Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Missouri commit to staying in the Big 12 immediately if Texas committed to staying in the Big 12 in light of the Pac-10 offer?
Missouri probably would not. The Tigers already have one foot in the Big Ten. But Nebraska has no assurance it will be invited to the Big Ten and could be left completely out of the power conference structure if it's not careful. Texas A&M doesn't have the resources to start its own network and doesn't appear eager to be in a league that allows Texas to generate added revenue. The same might be true for OU.
So the plot thickens. The Pac-10, which is hamstrung by geography and would love to have its sports aired into the Central time zone, wants a merger. And it appears ready to upstage the Big Ten in this game of musical conferences. No one would have its own network in the Big 16, which could compel A&M and OU to accept an invitation.
The Pac-10 doesn't want to waste time by going out on dates with the Big 12 with a non-conference football scheduling alliance. It wants to take half of the Big 12 and get married. Now, we'll see, who, if anyone, meets them at the altar.
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And so it begins!!!?
Thanks.
In the end, I still see Texas and A&M in the SEC.
To round out the SEC to 16 teams, start looking back east and south.....say Clemson , Ga Tech., NC, Fla St, Louisville being possible candidates...
Clemson and Ga Tech make the most sense to me.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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Why would you not be in favor of playing a tougher schedule, and preparing yourself better for the next time you get to the title game?
yeah, because its not like Ohio State doesnt already go out of its way to schedule a powerhouse year in and year out. 
We lost 2 of 3 recent national championship games, cant win them all.
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