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Seems like this is may all explode in the next few weeks. I thought the Big Ten was going to be the driver in all of this....but it seems like the Pac-10 might be sharing the wheel a bit.
Maybe all the expansion Big Ten talk is really forcing the other big conferences hand...this may all be shaken out before the season starts.
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I think we all knew this was kinda gonna happen. Once the Big-10 said that they were going to expand it then forced everyone else's hand. We all know the Pac-10 wants the Rose Bowl to be "The Grandaddy of them All". What better way then to also include Oklahoma and Texas into the fold and wave the bird at the BCS...
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Holy.... A layer just got added: Quote:
Fallout from the Orangebloods.com report that the Pac-10 is planning to extend invitations to Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado has been immediate.
DeLoss Dodds and Texas are working feverishly to hold the Big 12 together.
Already, the political forces in Texas are preparing to make demands that if six schools from the Big 12 are going to be invited to the Pac-10, Baylor should replace Colorado on that list, according to two sources close to the situation.
"If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South? I don't think so. We're already at work on this," said a high-ranking member of the Texas Legislature who asked not to be identified.
The source said there is a block of 15 legislators who will work to make sure Baylor - not Colorado - is invited to the Pac-10.
"If the Pac-10 wants Texas, and we know they do, they may have to take all of our Texas schools," the source said, adding that Texas Tech has also benefited from political inclusion on the invite list
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Can you imagine?
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Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
TCU
Kansas State
Kansas
Colorado
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BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
New Mexico
UNLV
Houston/Fresno
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That's not the Pac-10, that's the Mountain West.
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The article says Texas Legislature is saying to the Pac-10, If you want 3 (A&M, Tech and Texas) you need all 4. (+Baylor). Which would then force Baylor to swap with Colorado to get in.
Which would then leave CO no choice to join the MWC
... Which I then was speculating as to how that Conference would look... Because I cheer for the MWC
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Nebraska and Missouri have been given an ultimatum by the Big 12 and told they have until this Friday to decide if they want to remain in the conference or entertain the possibility of joining the Big Ten, two highly placed officials of two Big 12 schools said Saturday.
The deadline was given to the pair of schools by the Big 12 presidents during the league meetings held in Kansas City this past week.
"Nebraska has until 5 p.m. on Friday to tell us what they're going to do," one school official said, adding that he has heard that deadline could be extended to June 15. "The same deal for Missouri. They have to tell us they're not going to the Big Ten or \u2026 ."
Or at least six Big 12 schools — including Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech — will be inclined to accept an invitation to join the Pac-10 Conference. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado are the other three schools that could leave what would be a dissolving Big 12.
Nebraska and Missouri could be taking the risk that they might not be extended invitations from the Big Ten, which has said it could take up to 18 months to decide whether to expand its current membership of 11 schools.
"I've talked to the Pac-10," said the Big 12 school administrator, who expected the speculation involving the Big 12 to be resolved within two weeks. "There is an invitation. When it comes, it'll come fast."
One Pac-10 athletic director told the Statesman on Saturday, "There's still a lot that has to happen. It's nowhere near done. At this point, we have not been presented any definite plans."
Said another political figure heavily connected to Texas, "I know the war drums are beating. This is way beyond gossip."
Everybody... Grab something... This train is leaving the station.
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The Mountain West would be just as good as the acc if this happens.
I agree with ballpeen on clemson and ga tech joining the sec. that makes a lot of sense. I have no idea where texas will go. I don't think they join the big 10. It's either pac 10 or sec.
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why would the SEC want Clemson and GaTech? They don't add TV sets since they already hit those areas with USCar and UGa.
Also, word here in Austin is that the University board doesn't want the SEC for academic reasons. Everything at this point of course could just be blabber to use as negotiating points.
Sounds like the next few weeks we should see some action. Always exciting.
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why would the SEC want Clemson and GaTech? They don't add TV sets since they already hit those areas with USCar and UGa.
Also, word here in Austin is that the University board doesn't want the SEC for academic reasons. Everything at this point of course could just be blabber to use as negotiating points.
Sounds like the next few weeks we should see some action. Always exciting.
Because they are in the heart of SEC country??
The SEC may not be as interested in TV sets since they already have a whole bunch tuned in each week.
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Hold on to your hats everybody http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/hu...ansion_opt.htmlQuote:
Scott to present expansion options to Pac-10 presidents/CEOs today
Posted by Bob Condotta
Looking like today's conclusion to the Pac-10 meetings in San Francisco could be pretty momentous.
There are varying reports that the Seattle Times has confirmed this morning that Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott will recommend to the Pac-10 presidents and CEOs a variety of expansion options.
Word is the preferred one will be the so-called Pac-16, adding six Big 12 teams to the mix. What Scott will apparently hope for is that he will get approval to begin talking to those schools with the intent of soon issuing official inivitations. OrangeBloods.com is reporting that such an expansion could be worth $20 million per school
One person told the Times that the "conversations could start immediately'' if Scott gets the approval today.
Still at issue is exactly which six Big 12 teams the Pac-10 will approach with some reports saying that the conference may have to take Baylor instead of Colorado to appease the Texas Legislature. (And there's one thought that both Baylor and Colorado could be included at the exclusion of either Oklahoma State and/or Texas Tech). Regardless, Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma are all givens in any Pac-16 scenario, which would obviously be a cataclysmic change for not only the conference, but college athletics.
Helping force the timeline are the reports that Nebraska and Missouri have been given a deadline of this Friday to declare whether they will remain in the Big 12. (Those are linked here).
Apparently, one thought is that conference title games could be held at both the Rose Bowl and the new Dallas Cowboys stadium (obviously in alternating years).
Scott is scheduled to meet with the media today after the Pac-10 meetings conclude.
Dear god, I just realized what he just said there. Jerry World and the Rose Bowl every other year? HOLY &%*@
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How would the scheduling work out in these super conferences? I imagine you would play evey team in your division (7games). Then probably 3-4 games from the other division. That would only leave 1-2 games out of conference. I wonder how this all would work, since they have out of conference games already scheduled years in advance.
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Just take the SEC model....you play every team in your division and then rotate teams on and off from the other division.
Probably 2 teams a year on a home and home basis and one natural rival you play every year.....leaving 1 at large date...all teams need to play a underling at least once a year to spread the wealth.
That would be 11 games and the championship would be the 12th.
All of this is going to take place in one form or another.
Now that the Big 10 and Pac 10 seem intent on making a move, I would expect to see the SEC start making moves to go to 16 teams.
Then we will see the NCAA bend over backwards to work a playoff or see the Supers just form their own football union.
Nothing says they have to be a part of the NCAA.
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SAN FRANCISCO — The Pac-10 board has given commissioner Larry Scott the authority to pursue any possible expansion for the conference.
Scott spoke following the conclusion of the conference meetings in San Francisco on Sunday. Earlier in the day, he addressed the chancellors and presidents about possible expansion and was given authority to move ahead without having to go back to the board for approval.
Scott says no final decision has been made whether to expand but many different scenarios were discussed this weekend. There have been reports that the conference could add as few as two teams or as many as six if it does expand.
The conference will decide its future plans by the end of the year before negotiating a new television contract for the 2012-13 academic year.
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why would the SEC want Clemson and GaTech? They don't add TV sets since they already hit those areas with USCar and UGa.
Also, word here in Austin is that the University board doesn't want the SEC for academic reasons. Everything at this point of course could just be blabber to use as negotiating points.
Sounds like the next few weeks we should see some action. Always exciting.
Because they are in the heart of SEC country??
The SEC may not be as interested in TV sets since they already have a whole bunch tuned in each week.
You know the SEC is smarter than that though. They won't add teams just to add teams. They need to add something to the conference.
If not in TV sets, then maybe they'll add some better basketball programs so the SEC can be very good in football and basketball (like Kansas, Louisville, etc).
I just don't see what Clemson and GaTech bring to the SEC table. They'd be taking away $$$ from existing member schools and while neither is bad, neither is a football or basketball power either.
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The only thing Clemson and Ga Tech bring to the SEC that other schools do not (aside from actually being in the southeast) is built in rivalries with USC and Georgia...
Louisville has a basketball rivalry with Kentucky.. other than that Lousiville and Kansas pose no real immediate interest.
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Put Kansas and Kentucky in the same conference and you'll get a rivalry.
We rarely play Kansas, but the fanbases hate each other.
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Well that's hardly a good barometer.. every fan base hates Kentucky. 
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Go ask Jim Joyce if that holds true. And heck, the Indians were #1 on the on list a few weeks back of most disliked teams in the MLB. They NEVER do anything right.  Anyway, I can't wait for the conferences to start tearing apart college football. It's gonna be something to see.... One question, if the Big Ten and Pac-10 send out invitations and collect positive resposonses, what does that do to this upcoming season? Wouldn't Missouri (for example) still be in the Big 12 the whole 2010 season and play their schedule as is?
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The Indians were the #1 most hated amongst their own fans... That's the difference lol.
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Oh...you had to go and read the fine details of the survey didn't you.  Kentucky doesn't bother me. Your "official mascot" does. Ashely Judd is about the most annoying celebrity fans in the world.
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At the very earliest the schools will move in 2011. Everything is already scheduled to run as planned this year.
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I hate Ashley Judd. She didn't go to a game for like 3 years when we were struggling. She was at like 15 games this past year. 
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I don't see where in the new expansion a single confrense is going to take all four Texas schools. The name of the game is $$ and the way to get more of it is to expand your confrence footprint. Adding Texas and/or A&M will allow your confrence to broadcast in the whole state of Texas. Adding in the other two would not garnish you any more broadcasting $$ so I don't see that happening.
The talk of the big10 possibly getting Pitt they said it would only be to kill the Big East to get Notre Dame, beyond that they won't take them because Penn St. already puts the Big10 Network through out all Pennsylvania.
The best senario for the Big10 would be:
Texas (Unlikly, I think they will go SEC)
Notre Dame
Missouri
Rutgers
Pitt (Needed to get Notre Dame)
Since they probably won't get Texas then I see them adding either Syracuse or UConn instead. If Notre Dame still won't come even if the Big East dies I don't know what they will do. Probably take a few more Big East schools and settle on Nebraska instead or they might try for A&M or Texas Tech to at least break into the state of Texas.
As for the schools that would get left out....well they can still form another league themselves and possibly be the new Division 1AA or just merge with the current 1AA. Nothing wrong with that I've seen some great games played in that league as well as Division 2 and 3. They would still be able to play some football.
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She didn't go to a game for like 3 years when we were struggling. She was at like 15 games this past year.
We already established that she is a Kentucky fan.
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She didn't go to a game for like 3 years when we were struggling. She was at like 15 games this past year.
We already established that she is a Kentucky fan.
Kentucky fans are bandwagon fans?
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taking all 4 TX schools is sticky for the reasons you mentioned.
I still think the Big10 dream scenario is(which likely won't happen):
Texas
A&M
ND
Mizzou
Nebraska
No Big East schools, but you can hopefully rely on ND getting scared the ACC and SEC will rip that conference to shreds and they need to make the first move (though I think that might backfire and ND would like to end up in the ACC despite it's location West)
without ND or Texas, the Big10 sort of failed in trying to make the first big splash. Mizzou, Nebraska, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers just doesn't have the same $$$ or frontpage splash.
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She didn't go to a game for like 3 years when we were struggling. She was at like 15 games this past year.
We already established that she is a Kentucky fan.
Kentucky fans are bandwagon fans?
#1 in attendence during an NIT season...
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That's cuz we got teams like Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Georgia bringing down attendence, cuz no one cares about them lol.
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Well we have Northwestern so that should cancel that out
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taking all 4 TX schools is sticky for the reasons you mentioned.
I still think the Big10 dream scenario is(which likely won't happen):
Texas
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ND
Mizzou
Nebraska
No Big East schools, but you can hopefully rely on ND getting scared the ACC and SEC will rip that conference to shreds and they need to make the first move (though I think that might backfire and ND would like to end up in the ACC despite it's location West)
without ND or Texas, the Big10 sort of failed in trying to make the first big splash. Mizzou, Nebraska, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers just doesn't have the same $$$ or frontpage splash.
From what I read Nebraska isn't really on the Big10's radar. The state just doesn't provide a lot of $$ for broadcasting. They might settle on them if there isn't really anyone available (ie Texas and Notre Dame say no) but beyond that Nebraska gives them a slight push in getting the Big10 network in more areas out side the Confrence footprint but it's not that much a push. Replace Nebraska on your list with Rutgers or Syracuse and they would be happier, those two schools would help break into the NY market which would earn far more $$ than Nebraska.
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taking all 4 TX schools is sticky for the reasons you mentioned.
I still think the Big10 dream scenario is(which likely won't happen):
Texas
A&M
ND
Mizzou
Nebraska
No Big East schools, but you can hopefully rely on ND getting scared the ACC and SEC will rip that conference to shreds and they need to make the first move (though I think that might backfire and ND would like to end up in the ACC despite it's location West)
without ND or Texas, the Big10 sort of failed in trying to make the first big splash. Mizzou, Nebraska, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers just doesn't have the same $$$ or frontpage splash.
Ya, I agree. The five you listed above is their dream scenario. And like you mentioned, it won't happen.
ND is the most logical addition but also the most stubborn. They won't make a move until their forced...and even then, the ND arrogance will make them believe they don't need anyone and that scheduling teams from the new power conferences is pointless because "we're ND....we ARE college football." Unfortunately for them, they haven't really noticed how irrelevant they are right now.
I think the Big Ten wanted to make the first move and biggest splash....and are now nervous it's going to backfire on them. If they're forced to take on weak schools for the sake of expanding, because they can't be the 3rd or 4th in line to send out invitations, they'll look like fools for not being able to get the 2-3 they wanted.
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I was on a nebraska board, and they don't really want to come to the big 10. They hate texas, with their politics, and arrogance, but staying in the big 12 is still best for them. They would have no rivals in the big 10, plus they may lose recruits from texas, california, and arizona. THe travel would also be a load for the fans to deal with on a regualr basis.
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I was on a nebraska board, and they don't really want to come to the big 10. They hate texas, with their politics, and arrogance, but staying in the big 12 is still best for them. They would have no rivals in the big 10, plus they may lose recruits from texas, california, and arizona. THe travel would also be a load for the fans to deal with on a regualr basis.
The fans might not want to come but the school would love to. The Big10 paid out 22million to each school last year. I think Nebraska got around 7-8 million from the Big12. If the Big10 asks they would be frantic to find a pen to sign.
The problem is they would be the lowest revenue school in the Big10 in terms of Broadcast $$$. Which is probably the reason they don't get much in the Big12 pecking order. The rest of the Big10 might not want to share the wealth with a school that isn't pulling it's share.
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Just to add, if Nebraska was to join with Missouri then they could have a rivalry with them and Iowa. As far as the fans I would say Iowa, Missouri, Minnesota, Illinois and Northwestern would not be too bad of a drive to go to a game. They would be similar to thier current division in the Big12.
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Nebraska and Missouri would make the most since IMO. Missouri is a rival of Illinois already. Nebraska brings great football tradition. Should we go after Kansas to boost basketball?
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She didn't go to a game for like 3 years when we were struggling. She was at like 15 games this past year.
We already established that she is a Kentucky fan.
Kentucky fans are bandwagon fans?
#1 in attendence during an NIT season...
You are so much fun to yank around... watching you get your daisy dukes in a twist anytime somebody says something about Kentucky you turn into mac and go find an article or some stats... it's really kind of funny.
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Taking all four would wrap up that whole market... mostly. It would almost be a monopoly. If you're a fan of Texas, you're watching *insert conference* if you're watching Tech you'd still be watching *insert conference*
I'm sure the Pac-10 wouldn't mind if Texas and Tech would come over and leave Baylor and A&M in the dust. (And, I'm sure Texas wouldn't give a rats a** either)
At the same time, it's also politics, a good portion of that state legislature are Baylor grads so they've got to look out for their Alma Mater
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Unless Texas or A&M need to have the state legislature to ok a move I don't think they are going to get their wish. Like I said Texas alone would cover the state. Getting the other three would be overkill and the rest of the confrence would know this and would not vote for that. The Pac10 is going to get a network and the Big10 already has one. If the Big10 gets Texas they would be able to leverage it's network on just about every extended basic cable package in the state. Some would balk at first but the first time a game is on the Network only fans would bombard their local company and a deal would be struck before kick off. See I have Time Warner here in Ohio and both the NFL Network and the Big10 Network fought them to be on extended basic cable. Both played games on the network (Browns on NFL Network, tOSU on Big10). But the Browns were also show on local free tv, tOSU was not. Guess which network went live before kickoff and guess which one I still don't have? See the whole reason for this superconfrence is for $$$ and I just can't see the Pac10 landing Texas and AM and then taking Tech and Baylor. Then they leave a pretty big base in Denver/Boulder on the table and walk away?? I just can't see that. IMO the Texas schools will split with the Pac10 and the SEC. That is probably the best case senario the state legislature can hope for.
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A&M is a good fit in the SEC, but which other school would be? Tech maybe? But, then Baylor isn't exactly the big state school style of the Pac10 either.
Baylor is the ugly sister at this table. I don't think anyone really wants them and I don't think Texas really cares about them (just the state legislature as mentioned).
Also, while there are a lot of benefits for the schools themselves to split among 2 conferences, people in the state legislature have seen what the BigXII schools have been able to due in recruiting Texas (since they visit the schools so often, kids are more willing to go to Nebraska, Okie State, etc) and I think there are a lot of people that wouldn't want 2 major conferences gaining that advantage (would LSU put a bigger footprint in the state if a kids parents just had to drive from SA or Austin to A&M?).
a lot of different wheels spinning, which is what makes this so much fun.
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