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He was out by a mile. Absolute travesty of an incorrect call. I would have no issue whatsoever with the league crediting Galarraga with a perfect game.
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"He" didn't lose it. He threw a perfect game that will never be recorded. That umpire must feel as bad as you possibly can. Wasn't even close....terrible call at a terrible time. I really feel for that pitcher.
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Me either.
That might be the worst call I've ever seen. Usually those go against Cleveland though...
That ump should be fired...
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He should have had it. Not too much to argue about ..... except, obviously, with the guy making the call ...... 
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I hope MLB overturns it and gives the guy a perfect game. Sounds like he was out by a mile. Would be a travesty otherwise ... then again, the league is run by Selig. 
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I don't think that they can overturn that anymore than the NFL can overturn a bad call that would have changed the outsome of a game.
Once the game is official .... it's official.
It is a good case for instant replay though.
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Galarraga stepped on first with the ball already in his glove a full step ahead of Donald. It was not even a close, tie goes to the runner situation. Miguel Cabrera spent the entire next at bat yelling at the ump, as did Jeremy Bonderman from the dugout. Wish he would've tossed one of them, it would've sparked something interesting. As soon as the last out was recorded, Leland was in his face, and with every right.
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Wow, just watched it. That Ump blew that call!!!!!!!! Stole a Perfect Game from Detroit! WOW 
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The worst call in the history of sports. 20 perfect games in the history of baseball, and that idiot umpire just robbed this kid.
He was out, it wasn't close. Even if it would have been close, you don't side against the pitcher on the final out of a perfect game. - Unreal.
Thanks to Larry Dolan for taking us from prominence to being on the wrong side of a perfect game. - Wait, nevermind, Larry Dolan is innocent, none of this is his fault.
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I don't think that they can overturn that anymore than the NFL can overturn a bad call that would have changed the outsome of a game.
Hard to say...first, its indisputable that Donald was out. Second, its indisputable that had the correct call been made, the game would have been over at that moment. Third, to overrule the call after the fact would not affect the record of either time. I think a solid case could be made for a situation with such historical ramifications. This would be 1) the first time two perfect games thrown within a week of each other, 2) first time three were thrown in a single month, 3) first time three were thrown in a season, and 4) first time four were thrown in a one-year span.
I suggest searching "perfect game" on Wikipedia. NSFW language warning. 
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Ouch.. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300602106DETROIT -- Armando Galarraga of the Detroit Tigers lost his bid for a perfect game Wednesday night with two outs in the ninth inning on a disputed call at first base. Replays appeared to show Cleveland hitter Jason Donald was out. Tigers manager Jim Leyland immediately argued the call with first base umpire Jim Joyce, and was joined by several Detroit players who surrounded the ump after the Tigers beat the Indians 3-0. Galarraga (2-1) was in complete control throughout the night and on track for the third perfect game of the season. Then Donald's groundball became the flash point of the night, and perhaps the season. After center fielder Austin Jackson made a spectacular catch on Mark Grudzielanek's leadoff fly in the ninth and Mike Redmond grounded out, Donald came up with two outs. Donald hit a bouncer that first baseman Miguel Cabrera cleanly fielded to his right. He took his time and made an accurate throw to Galarraga covering the bag. The ball appeared to be in Galarraga's glove just before Donald made it to first base, replays indicated. Galarraga smiled, held up his glove hand and started to make an out call with his right hand. But Joyce, a veteran umpire, made an emphatic safe call and Comerica Park went silent in disbelief. A couple of Tigers put their hands to their heads. Galarraga merely smiled and went back to work as the crowd started to boo. Cabrera continued to argue the call as Galarraga quickly retired Trevor Crowe for the one-hit shutout. Joyce faced a group of hostile Tigers -- led by Leyland -- between the pitching mound and home plate after the final out and was booed lustily by the crowd of 17,738 as he walked off the field. Roy Halladay of the Philadelphia Phillies pitched a perfect game Saturday night at Florida, and Dallas Braden of the Oakland Athletics did it against Tampa Bay on May 9. Until then, there had never been two perfect games in the same season in the modern era. Colorado's Ubaldo Jimenez pitched a no-hitter, too, at Atlanta on April 17. Galarraga struck out three and walked none, and was a most unlikely star. He was recalled from Triple-A Toledo on May 16 after pitching poorly during spring training, losing out in a competition for the final spot in the rotation to Dontrelle Willis, who was traded Tuesday, and Nate Robertson, who was dealt to Florida toward before the team broke camp. The 28-year-old native of Venezuela had success in 2008, going 13-7, but he had done nothing quite like the masterful performance he had against the Indians. He started with a 2-0 count against Crowe, then attacked the strike zone and kept most of the weakly hit balls on the infield. Cabrera hit his 15th homer to give Detroit a 1-0 lead in the second inning and Magglio Ordonez had an RBI single in the two-run eighth. Fausto Carmona (4-4) pitched well. He gave up three runs -- two earned -- on nine hits and no walks. The Indians came close to getting a hit twice before their disputed single. Galarraga almost became the first Tiger to throw a perfect game. Justin Verlander threw the sixth no-hitter in franchise history on June 12, 2007. Copyright by STATS LLC and The Associated Press Video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5244860
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The thing that angers me in all of this is that people lose sight of what has become of the Cleveland Indians.
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Joyce blew a call, it was a huge call but every ump blows a call now and than. He apologized, manned up and admitted he made the biggest mistake of his career and honestly I would be shocked if he didn't end up with the perfect game.
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ESPN just reported that he apologized personally to Galarraga and Leyland. He ought to petition Selig to overturn the error. There aren't really any "what if"s in this situation, like there were in the blown call by Ed Hochuli in the Broncos-Chargers game a couple years ago. Right call, game over, wrong call, game continues. It really is that cut and dried.
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I would be shocked if he didn't end up with the perfect game.
I hope you're right. Suppose Selig does have the ability to overturn the call, what can we expect of close calls in the future?
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first....feel horrible for that kid. the umpire will never live that one down....3 perfect games in less then a month..unbelievable
second....does a perfect game count when pitched by a major leaguer vs a single 'A' team?
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I don't care what the rules say. MLB HAS to overturn that call. They HAVE to. The Commish can evoke the "for the good of the game clause" and grant the perfect game. I don't care. It's not like it was the the first out of the inning and we wouldn't be able to argue how the rest of the game would change.....it was the last out, the game was over.
MLB.....change it. We all know it was a perfect game so spare us the formality of how it's not....it was. No fix it for the pitcher, the fans, the kid, the ump, and history of the game. It's too important to just say, "too bad".
MLB could have had reply in the game years ago to fix crap like this....and yet, they refuse to keep the human element there. Bull Crap!
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It was a terrible terrible call, and I feel badly for the pitcher. God that has to suck. I'm sure a lot of Hurricanes fans feel that way about the interference call in the OSU/Miami game a few years back.
That all being said, bad calls are a part of the game. Does that make it any easier or excuse it? Heck no. But, so long as umpires and referees are human beings, things like this will happen.
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NNRTU,...I don't see this as a big deal.
People act like a perfect game stops breast cancer.
More mad that MLB hasn't adopted replay in the first place to fix stuff like this. It's one of the reasons baseball is broken.
It is too late now to call it perfect; it needed to have been done on the spot. Would we be so up in arms IF the call was close the OTHER way ? That the "perfect game" should not be because a runner clearly beat the throw and the ump called him out ?
Life, and human umpiring, is a nothing but a big negotiation. To me some things are too important to worry about this kind of triviality, especially in light of the fact that it could have never happened/been prevented.
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This would have been a lot more tragic if it weren't against the minor league Indians.
He pitched a perfect game against Choo & who? Yawn.
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The thing that angers me in all of this is that people lose sight of what has become of the Cleveland Indians.
Really? The tribe just had a 28 out perfect game thrown against them and you think that people have lost sight of how bad we are? And your angry about it?
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I don't think that they can overturn that anymore than the NFL can overturn a bad call that would have changed the outsome of a game.
I think a solid case could be made for a situation with such historical ramifications. This would be 1) the first time two perfect games thrown within a week of each other, 2) first time three were thrown in a single month, 3) first time three were thrown in a season, and 4) first time four were thrown in a one-year span.
5) It would be the first time Instant Replay was used to decide an outcome where it is not allowed to be used. This will not be overturned.
People are all outraged by this and I understand why, but everybody had instant replay to look at before they all went out there and started ripping into the guy. (I can't believe I'm sticking up for an umpire....) The ONLY way this guy makes this call if he is 120% sure the guy was safe or had a $1,000,000 bet against a perfect game being pitched. He blew the call and I there isn't anyone on this planet this morning who feels worse about it than the guy who blew it.
edit: And why??? 44 years of following Cleveland Sports and I finally get a call to go OUR way and this is the freaking call?
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Then you didn't watch the game as it was broadcast, because it was clear as day as it happened that he was out. Replay only served to confirm what we already knew.
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44 years of following Cleveland Sports and I finally get a call to go OUR way and this is the freaking call?
I disagree. If the call was made properly, there would have been normal highlights, a few extra highlights of the other perfect games this month, and that would have been it.
Instead, I have constantly seen the call over and over and over again reminding me of the horrible game the Tribe had last night and how most in the country believe the Indians should have a perfect game against them.
And if MLB contemplates changing the ending of a game based on a bad call? It'll be in the news cycle even longer.
I wish the proper call was just made and we could go on with our lives.
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Dude, give it a rest. You sound like a whiny, bitter ex-girlfriend
We've explained over and over WHY Dolan can't just dump $40 million on the team and magically become perenial contenders. We've explained that this year was GOING to be like this, was expected, and is the way you pretty much have to do things this way if you really expect to compete against bigger markets down the road ... yet you still come in and whine about Dolan any chance you get. Get over it.
Selling the team won't do anything ... the Padres sold the team, expecting the owner to just dump money into the team ... he didn't. They had a year of triple-A ball last year, and now this year ... they're contending. If you want, we could dump $93 million into payroll, have a guy like Cliff Lee on board ... and have one more win on our record ... you know, like the Mariners! Of course, we'd still draw 20,000 and could possibly be facing bankruptcy and liquidation ... would that make you happy?
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Dude, give it a rest. You sound like a whiny, bitter ex-girlfriend
We've explained over and over WHY Dolan can't just dump $40 million on the team and magically become perenial contenders. We've explained that this year was GOING to be like this, was expected, and is the way you pretty much have to do things this way if you really expect to compete against bigger markets down the road ... yet you still come in and whine about Dolan any chance you get. Get over it.
Dude, he has every right to be pissed so you need to get over it. Our young guys haven't shown us squat. So how is he as a ticket buyer supposed to be excited about the future of the franchise? We've rebuilding so much that it seems like we're a farm system for other teams like the yankees, redsocks, etc. I mean hell man I'm starting to get pissed and I don't even watch that much baseball.
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What amazes me is that the official scorer ruled it a hit instead of an error. The home town scorer could have at least given his pitcher the no-hitter. Why isn't anyone giving this guy crap?
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Theres been what, 18 perfect games in the history of baseball? Now there is all of a sudden 3 and its only the first half of the season. What is going on in baseball?
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Because there wasn't an error? Not by any of the players, anyway.
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Because if scorekeepers were allowed to do that, then every hitter in the MLB would have a .000 batting average, because there would never be a hit. They'd all just be errors 
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It could be the result of 2 things:
1. I think the decrease in offense, as well as the explosion of great pitching performances, are due to batters being less disciplined. It's like they've devolved from executing the fundamentals of the game, not just with batting, but with fielding, baserunning, etc. It leads to sloppier play, and a poorer quality of baseball.
2. Baseball already went through a dead ball era, and it didn't cause this many perfect games. It is simply a lot of good luck, nothing more.
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Well they are young guys ... Padres looked like crap last year too, and now they lead the division. If the young guys don't pan out, that's more on the coaching and Shapiro than on Dolan.
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Welcome to life as a MLB mid/small-market team. They ALL are like that. You have two options ... spend a fair amount of money and have teams that sputter in mediocrity for years and years (Hello Seattle, Toronto, Baltimore), or you mortgage the farm every couple of years, suck for a year or two, then get a good core of young guys that can put together a good run for a couple of years. (Hello D-Rays, Marlins, Diamondbacks, 2007 Indians) ... that's not Dolans fault, it's MLB's. That's been explained over and over to him, but he still doesn't get it and we have to listen to him cry about it over and over ...
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Theres been what, 18 perfect games in the history of baseball? Now there is all of a sudden 3 and its only the first half of the season. What is going on in baseball?
That's what I was saying earlier ... what kind of performance enhancers are the pitchers on!?!
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Well they are young guys ... Padres looked like crap last year too, and now they lead the division. If the young guys don't pan out, that's more on the coaching and Shapiro than on Dolan.
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That's what concerns me the most honestelly. What if our coaching screws up our young guys and management takes to long to change it? We have a very small window.
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Welcome to life as a MLB mid/small-market team. They ALL are like that. You have two options ... spend a fair amount of money and have teams that sputter in mediocrity for years and years (Hello Seattle, Toronto, Baltimore), or you mortgage the farm every couple of years, suck for a year or two, then get a good core of young guys that can put together a good run for a couple of years. (Hello D-Rays, Marlins, Diamondbacks, 2007 Indians) ... that's not Dolans fault, it's MLB's. That's been explained over and over to him, but he still doesn't get it and we have to listen to him cry about it over and over ...
I know all of that, it's why I hate baseball  Like I said before unless our young guys show us something he has a right to pissed. So since they have shown us zilch right now he has a right to be angry. At least you saw a few glimpses of hope with the other teams you mentioned. I'm just having a hard time even seeing the potential in these kids right now.
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You just don't hear about hitters using at-bats the way they used to.. choke up with 2 strikes, get the ball in play, move runners by hitting behind them, etc.. its all power now.. doesn't much matter the situation, most players are taking the big full cut at it trying to hit the homerun even if there is 2 guys on and 2 outs and all they NEED is a single...
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I know all of that, it's why I hate baseball Like I said before unless our young guys show us something he has a right to pissed
Sure ... be pissed at the scouts for hand-picking these guys, Shapiro for making the trades to get them, the coaches for not getting these guys to show some potential, or maybe even the players themselves ... but he only blames Dolan, who he expects to take a $40 million dollar loan to buy a barrell full of pixie dust ... and we have to hear about it week after week.
Would he be happier if we still had Cliff Lee, Sabathia, Martinez, Blake ... a $110 million dollar payroll, and still failed to get into the playoffs year after year ... like, you know, when we actually had those guys on our team? Of course then, we'd be drawing 28,000 instead of 20,000 so the road to bankruptcy wouldn't be TOO bad.
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I'm starting to feel bad for Jim Joyce. Guy is actually a hell of an umpire.
He missed the call. It wasn't even really that close.
But, he manned up. He admitted his mistake, and he truly feels awful about it.
If you don't feel bad for Jim Joyce in this situation, there's something wrong with you....
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I agree. the guy has done everything you could expect him to do. He admitted he had a good angle and a clear view and he just BLEW IT. No excuses, no nothing.. he just admitted he blew it. He immediately apologized to the pitcher...
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Submitting himself for public flogging woulf be a start ..... The guy is a good umpire, and that's what makes his mistake just all that much more unbelievable. There should be replay in a situation like that. The kid should have his name in the record books for a perfect game, because he did pitch a perfect game.
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