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Let me enlighten you, You can throw all the stats around that you want but only one counts!
Bosh 0 title's
Gasol 2 title's
If that's all that counts, then:
Bosh 0 titles
Josh Powell 2 titles
Is there any conceivable way to argue that Josh Powell is better than Chris Bosh? No, the Lakers are a much better team than the Raptors. Number of titles says little about individual players; it indicates who the best teams are.
Ok lets get real and leave all the BS behind. Who would you rather have on your team Bosh or Gasol? It makes me laugh when someone like you are losing an argument you can throw a Josh Powell in to try and make a point. Kind of ridicules! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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When was the last time Bynum played a full season? His lack of durability is going to keep him from ever being a dominant big man.
Kinda like like a guy who is in the Hall of Fame by the name of Bill Walton. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I think any real fan would be perfectly content with either Bosh or Gasol on his team. Personally, I'd prefer Gasol simply because he's taller and heavier, but that doesn't mean in any way that I would be upset with Bosh being on my team. He's better than anyone on the Lakers not named Kobe or Pau. He's also been stuck in Toronto for his whole career. How many rings did Gasol win when he was in Memphis? How many 50+ win seasons did Gasol experience in Memphis? Pau Gasol's teams in Memphis averaged 36 wins per season for the six full seasons he was there. Bosh's seven seasons in Toronto have averaged 36 wins per season. To say that Bosh is nowhere near the level that Gasol is based on the number of rings Gasol has is totally asinine.
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When was the last time Bynum played a full season? His lack of durability is going to keep him from ever being a dominant big man.
Kinda like like a guy who is in the Hall of Fame by the name of Bill Walton.
That's a good one.
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{quote]That's awesome! So Robery Horry > Kobe Bryant because horry has 10 rings? Also is Pau Gasol better than Charles Barkley or Carl Malone?
So your saying Kobe is not one of the best to ever play the game? I guess your entitled to your opinion but the knowledgeable NBA fan would disagree with you. As far as Gasol being better than Barkley or Malone, the book is not completely written at this point is it?
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Oh here's some more stats for you:
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2000 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 14 pts (6/13) - 3 Reb - 5 As. - 2 TO
GAME 2 - 2 pts (1/3) - 1 Reb - 4 As. -0 TO
GAME 3 - DNP
GAME 4 - 28 Pts (14/27) - 4 Reb - 5 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 8 Pts (4/20) - 5 Reb - 3 As. - 0 TO
GAME 6 - 26 Pts (8/27) - 10 Reb - 4 As. - 1 TO
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2001 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 15 pts (7/22) - 3 Reb - 5 As. - 6 TO
GAME 2 - 31 pts (11/23) - 8 Reb - 6 As. - 2 TO
GAME 3 - 32 pts (13/30) - 6 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 19 pts (6/13) - 10 Reb - 9 As. - 4 TO
GAME 5 - 26 pts (7/18) - 12 Reb - 6 As. - 3 TO
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2002 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 22 Pts (6/16) - 3 Reb - 6 As. - 4 TO
GAME 2 - 24 Pts (9/24) - 8 Reb - 3 As. - 4 TO
GAME 3 - 36 Pts (14/23) - 6 Reb - 4 As. - 6 TO
GAME 4 - 25 Pts (7/16) - 6 Reb - 8 As. - 1 TO
SHAQ STATS 2000 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 43 pts (21/31) - 19 Reb - 4 As. - 2 TO
GAME 2 - 40 pts (11/18) - 24 Reb - 4 As. - 2 TO
GAME 3 - 33 pts (15/24) - 13 Reb - 1 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 36 pts (13/25) - 21 Reb - 1 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 35 pts (17/27) - 11 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 6 - 41 pts (19/32) - 12 Reb - 1 As. - 0 TO
SHAQ STATS 2001 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 44 pts (17/28) - 20 Reb - 5 As. - 4 TO
GAME 2 - 28 pts (12/19) - 20 Reb - 9 As. - 5 TO (was 2 blocks and 1 As. away from QUAD-DUB)
GAME 3 - 30 pts (11/20) - 12 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 34 pts (13/25) - 14 Reb - 5 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 29 pts (10/18) - 13 Reb - 2 As. - 5 TO
SHAQ STATS 2002 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 36 pts (12/22) - 16 Reb - 1 As. - 5 TO
GAME 2 - 40 pts (14/23) - 12 Reb - 8 As. - 4 TO
GAME 3 - 35 pts (12/19) - 11 Reb - 2 As. - 2 TO
GAME 4 - 34 pts (12/20) - 12 Reb - 4 As. - 3 TO
Averaged out that is 35.9 Pts (13.9/23.4) 59% 15.3 REB. 3.5 As. 2.0 TO
That is one of the MOST DOMINANT PLAYOFF STAT LINES EVER and would carry damn near anybody to a championship
Oh so you are saying that Shaq would have won every one of those championships with out Kobe. I am a life long Lakers fan and you are full of it. If that line of thought was true why did the Lakers hang on to Kobe when they could have let him go and kept Shaq.I guess history shows that they had a better chance of winning championships with Kobe than Shaq. And how many teams have Shaq played for now?
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Are you a laker fan or a kobe nut hugger? Bosh is a top 10-15 player in the NBA. I gues he isn't good enough to be a #2 huh? How do you know Phil won't leave? The lakers are going to cut his salary. The Cavs are offering him more money. Also if we get bosh I guarantee LeBron will resign.
As long as Kobe helps wins my Laker's NBA Championships I will gladly hug any part of him as you would hug LeBron's nut if he would just sign a contract! 
As far as Bosh he may be a top 10 to 15 player as you state but he would be maybe the third best on the Laker's.
And as far as Phil leaving the only way he leaves is if he retires. The money right now is not as important as the championships and he is also dating Jerry Buss's daughter, so get real the Cavs?LMAO
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I think any real fan would be perfectly content with either Bosh or Gasol on his team. Personally, I'd prefer Gasol simply because he's taller and heavier, but that doesn't mean in any way that I would be upset with Bosh being on my team. He's better than anyone on the Lakers not named Kobe or Pau. He's also been stuck in Toronto for his whole career. How many rings did Gasol win when he was in Memphis? How many 50+ win seasons did Gasol experience in Memphis? Pau Gasol's teams in Memphis averaged 36 wins per season for the six full seasons he was there. Bosh's seven seasons in Toronto have averaged 36 wins per season. To say that Bosh is nowhere near the level that Gasol is based on the number of rings Gasol has is totally asinine.
So you think the Laker's would trade Gasol for Bosh straight up? Or as far as that goes any team in the NBA would take Bosh over Gasol in an even deal?
Just asking because I don't think Bosh would be taken over Gasol in any circumstance by any team.. I just can't see it.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I don't think the Lakers would trade Gasol for Bosh, because he fits in well with their team and their system.
In a total vacuum, though, I think that they're both athletic bigs that give you 20 and 10 a night, and either one, when paired with a superstar, is about as good a #2 option as you're going to get. Gasol has proven it in LA. Pair Bosh up with Lebron or Dwyane Wade, maybe even a top-flight PG like D-Will and you'd see very similar results.
Nobody's seen Chris Bosh play alongside another superstar, so its not a call that can really be made at this point.
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Someone posed a question somewhere, and I don't remember where I read it, but it went something like this: Do Laker fans ever realize how fortunate they are with the players they've been able to bring to LA over the years? Honestly, Kobe is a great player, but you could argue he wouldn't make an all-time Lakers starting 5. They get Shaq because he wants to be in Hollywood, they get Gasol in a grand larceny trade, they get Magic when the team already has Kareem ... and the list goes on and on and on ... it almost seems unfair in a lot of ways.
It's almost as if the NBA really does want LA to be good. The Gasol trade ... I'm still shaking my head about that one.
Anyway, the point being is LA has some of the greatest players of all-time ... they should be winning championships ... and their fans should have a little class knowing that they always seem to have a leg up on everyone else ... every other team has to build the hard way ... the Lakers get handed great player after great player ... yet LA fans are some of the most classless, ignorant fans I've ever met.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Most of the mouth breather laker fans I've ever talked to seem to completely disregard just how dominant Shaq really was during the run they had. The guy has way more right to be mentioned as one of the greatest ever than Kobe does. Kobe is a top player in the league, and if they would do another top 50 of all time I definitely have to have him on the list, but he is not sitting next to Jordan like the people who ride LA's jock think. He disappears just as often as he shows up in big games and in this years finals he rode Gasol to the ring. You could never say that about Jordan. Yes, he had Pippen, but Scottie was always second fiddle and this year at least half of the time that's exactly what Kobe was.
Now, is Kobe a better basketball player overall than LeBron? At this point I'd say yes. LeBron is no question more skilled and more talented than Kobe could have ever dreamed of being, but mentally Kobe has that I will die before I let you beat me quality that LeBron has yet to develop. If LeBron ever learns to play like that, the discussion is immediately over. Until then, I give the edge to Kobe.
Also, if I was assembling an all time team the best I can say for Kobe is he's wearing a suit at the end of the bench inactive. I surely can't start anyone at the 2 but Jordan, and I certainly take Oscar Robertson and Jerry West over him.
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So your saying Kobe is not one of the best to ever play the game? I guess your entitled to your opinion but the knowledgeable NBA fan would disagree with you.
Did I ever say Kobe wasn't great? No, I just said he's not top 3
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As far as Gasol being better than Barkley or Malone, the book is not completely written at this point is it?
The only way he becomes better is if he plays better D and goes on a tear offensivley
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Oh so you are saying that Shaq would have won every one of those championships with out Kobe. I am a life long Lakers fan and you are full of it. If that line of thought was true why did the Lakers hang on to Kobe when they could have let him go and kept Shaq.
I would take Shaq in his prime over Kobe in his prime. When did Kobe ever average stats like Shaq did in the finals?
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I guess history shows that they had a better chance of winning championships with Kobe than Shaq.
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And how many teams have Shaq played for now?
Very weak argument, I'm actually disapointed. How many teams has Ron Artest played for?
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As far as Bosh he may be a top 10 to 15 player as you state but he would be maybe the third best on the Laker's.
Yeah and the Celtics had guys that would be the 3rd,4th,5th,6th best players on the lakers team but took you guys to 7 games.
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And as far as Phil leaving the only way he leaves is if he retires. The money right now is not as important as the championships and he is also dating Jerry Buss's daughter, so get real the Cavs?LMAO
Easy for you to say. Phil is looking out for himself which is a natural human instinct. When you're geting offered double your salary and a chance to coach LeBron you listen. Keep telling yourself that he won't.
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Ok lets get real and leave all the BS behind. Who would you rather have on your team Bosh or Gasol? It makes me laugh when someone like you are losing an argument you can throw a Josh Powell in to try and make a point. Kind of ridicules!
Good idea, let's leave the BS behind. First, I would rather have Gasol, b/c he is a bit bigger, a bit better all around, and b/c he is playoff tested. Not only b/c he has 2 rings. I threw Powell in there to show that your line of logic that "rings are all that matters" was ridiculous.
Second, still leaving the BS behind, if your argument for Gasol is "rings are all that matters" and "any real NBA fan would see that Bosh couldn't be a pimple on Gasol's behind" then its hard to take you seriously. It's not an argument to say that you speak for all "real" NBA fans, its a slightly underhanded way of saying "if you don't agree with me, you are stupid, and I'm not going to bother backing up my position with any stats, b/c I speak for all real fans." That's not arguing, that's preaching, and is of little use.
On top of that, I don't see any (logical) way to make the argument that Gasol is that much better than Bosh. It's very close, they are both very skilled big men.
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lolz @ the dude that shows up after the lakers win and starts running his mouth..
for one. kobe bashing? very few have bashed kobe in this forum, there may be some that don't like him, but hardly anybody is bashing the guy.
a pimple on who's behind what? uh dude, chris bosh is every bit as good as gasol. what was gasol before he went to the lakers? hm? and bosh is a much, much, much better defender than gasol.
chris bosh has been rotting in toronto his entire career. much like gasol was in memphis. when that guy changes teams, he's gonna be much much better. great player.
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lolz @ the dude that shows up after the lakers win and starts running his mouth..
I also find it kind of funny that they picked an argument on Gasol vs. Bosh. Where did that come from? All that anyone said is that the rumor is out there that the Cavs are talking sign and trade for Bosh, but that the chances are very low. And he comes back with "Bosh isn't even a pimple on Gasol's behind"? What??
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