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I agree with that 100%. I've been telling people I work with the following...
In the NBA, when you aren't close to winning a title, your window's closing, you're a bottom-seed playoff contender, etc., the best and only way to get better is to suck hard and suck fast. Get your lottery picks, build your roster from scratch and with able bodies who can grow as players and fit the system you're looking for (whether that's big bruisers down low, solid defensive fundamentals, run and gun, etc.). THEN when you're close, have cap room, and are just a piece or two away, you do what you have to with the big money.
That being said, I like why our owner will do what he does. He wants the best possible team on the floor constantly. I may not agree with the methodology but it beats having Sterling/Dolan holding the purse strings, right?
Like I said earlier, I think the Cavs organization is in solid hands. It'll be interesting as hell to see what I'm cheering for two, three years from now...
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I will Root for the freaking Celtics over the Heat now. And be happy if they win. Heat are now my most hated team. Theyre fans are pathetic too, they dont deserve this.
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the best and only way to get better is to suck hard and suck fast.
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I think he finally realized he isn't good enough to win a ring on his own, he needs to be the second fiddle to a true star like wade.
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So if he leaves, what title does the latest gut-wrenching blow to Cleveland sports get?
The Decision?
The Departure?
The Treason?
LeGone?
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Haha I know it's not too poetic, but it's the simplest truth for a bunch of pizza/kitchen workers I could come up with on site 
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I think he's gone. Sorry, but it will be a long time before I tune in to the NBA again. Hockey, here I come.  Yes, it is disappointing to be negative, but I do wish him and the NBA well. This is as much the "system's" fault as anything.
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ha i'm not the one on drugs if you think differently, Going to miami, there is no doubt who the alpha male is on that team its D-wade, so lebron chooses to be a second option. I'll take it one step further, I think those 2 on a team is going to be a nightmare for themselves and they both will post career lows in numbers and will get bounced in the second round. Celtics big three had a pretty damn good supporting cast and bench, alot of good role players. Miami has squat. Bad move imo, Cavs are the same team that won league high games 2 years straight. One year with Z and the other with Shaq, both of which could be brought in, or I like the idea of trading for haywood. Cleveland is alot better option.
Another intersting tidbit, some people like broussard are reporting that lebron could be leaking this out to gauge the reaction, and so far none has been positive. Even other players really close to him like CP3 are telling him to stay. But in the next breath he's saying that lebron has already begun recruiting free agents to miami.
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the system is set up to let teams, regardless of market, keep their own guys. it's one of the most fair things in sports.
the problem is. these guys are a bunch of divas and don't wanna come play in cities like cleveland, detroit, milwaukee, etc.. i think that finally got in lbj's head.
i think the nhl would do muh better over time. nhl guys don't really care about market or anything. plus it's more about the team than the individual. i think clevelanders would really get behind an hl team, when they see the hard work and sacrifice those guys go through to win the cup.
even though it sure helps, you don't need sidney crosby or some other mega hockey star to win a cup. can't say the same for the nba, it's driven by the stars. there is so much space between the talent of the superstars and the rest of the league, more than any other league in my opinion.
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If he does leave, is it bad that I'll be a little happy that maybe Cleveland can turn back into a football town?
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Good to see some reason and sensibility around here. Amidst all this "Traitor!" talk, LBJ being labeled a prima dona over a one hour special (proceeds of marketing towards a charity- which some are even finding ways to bash that), and basic ledge-jumping I'm witnessing, I've wondered what a calm, rational approach to this would sound like. Oh, probably something like this. He doesn't owe the city jack. Get over it. If he leaves and it's about winning, then everyone can get off his case about money/self star-power if its with Miami or Chicago. Basketball was here before Lebron, and with the owner and coach we have in place, we'd be in good position to rebuild and come back with a chance to win a title regardless (albeit a few years later). Still, the notion that James should possess this innate sense of loyalty and attachment to a region just for being born in it (out of his control, really, don't you think?) is just played-out. I like guys playing their entire careers with their respective teams and find free-agency dollars can kill sports at times (cough; looking at you, baseball), but if the opportunity's not there and presents itself better elsewhere, he'd only be short-changing himself not to go there. No one is putting themselves in his shoes right now. All I hear are emotionally, self-driven responses about how it'll all affect your petty little viewing pleasures. There's more to it than that. It's bigger than you, folks. Wait until it plays out to dish out the incompetent, estrogenical remarks about how little respect you'll have for him, wish ill on his career, call him a classless, attention-whoring punk (which is funny; who do you see being obnoxious via Twitter, the press, and the like? That would be the Boshs/Wades, not Lebron). The emotional involvement with this is just astounding and I'm seeing far too many wailing infants in this discussion. I just looked outside and the sky is still in place. Relax.
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About time to activate the v chip on espn and espn 2, and espn news.
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If he does leave, is it bad that I'll be a little happy that maybe Cleveland can turn back into a football town?
That's great news since our football team is so good...
W/o a decent Cavs team, you have your choice of which terrible Cleveland team to root for: Browns, Indians, Cavs.
It's round the clock pathetic sports in Cleveland.
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Any minute of any day, I'd rather root for bad football than good NBA. That's JMHO That being said, I would freakin' love it if there's all this hype, all this talk about how he's going to Miami, then he announces he's staying in Cleveland. All this hype would be worth it if he's doing it just to screw with ESPN. 
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ESPN gets paid regardless.
I still think that going to Miami, even if he wins a couple championships, does little to elevate him to Jordan status... to me it is an admission by LeBron that he was not good enough to win it by building a solid team around him.. that he needed other legitimate superstars to win it.. Just like Kobe and Shaq fought over whose team it was, so will LeBron/Wade/Bosh.. and Wade already won 1 so he is in the lead.
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If he does leave, is it bad that I'll be a little happy that maybe Cleveland can turn back into a football town?
 I for one don't think so; BAD Cleveland Browns football is better than watching LBJ leave. Perhaps - that Cleveland really is and will always be a "Browns first" town - is part of what is driving him,....whatever "way" he reveals this evening. I will NOT watch tonite,....I'd rather "miss" the show than "hope" it might be positive while he sticks the K-Bar in and twists it, ala Elway,.... 
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yeah, but they've been pushing him out of cleveland pretty much the entire time he's been in cleveland. and they've made no attempt to hide that.
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It would be fun to see him stay here after all this Miami talk, that's for sure.
He goes there to win now, regardless of how he's viewed by others.
He stays here to win to say I can do this myself w/ the right support staff.
Easiest option is head to Miami but he will be going to Wade's team.
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LeBron leaving would make him unquestionably evil.
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I still think that going to Miami, even if he wins a couple championships, does little to elevate him to Jordan status... to me it is an admission by LeBron that he was not good enough to win it by building a solid team around him.. that he needed other legitimate superstars to win it.. Just like Kobe and Shaq fought over whose team it was, so will LeBron/Wade/Bosh.. and Wade already won 1 so he is in the lead.
I think it is naieve to believe anybody could ever reach "Jordan" status. Me, LeBron, or Jordan. I don't ever see it happening. Of course, at my age, there ain't that many seasons left anyway. 
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How so?
I guess you're no better than philly fans. The immature reactions that will take place are just going to embarass the city.
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Any minute of any day, I'd rather root for bad football than good NBA.
That's JMHO
That being said, I would freakin' love it if there's all this hype, all this talk about how he's going to Miami, then he announces he's staying in Cleveland.
All this hype would be worth it if he's doing it just to screw with ESPN.
I'll wager there's still a decent chance of this happening.
He can sit back and say, "I never said a word as to where I was going. You people did"!
Slim chance? Yes, but what a coup! Trumping ESPN would be classic!!!!
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He abandoned this team after we bent over backwards including going WAY into the lux tax to keep him happy and surrounded by talent. Face of our franchise up and elaves for Miami. I really dont think it needs more explanation.
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Any minute of any day, I'd rather root for bad football than good NBA.
That's JMHO
That being said, I would freakin' love it if there's all this hype, all this talk about how he's going to Miami, then he announces he's staying in Cleveland.
All this hype would be worth it if he's doing it just to screw with ESPN.
I'll wager there's still a decent chance of this happening.
He can sit back and say, "I never said a word as to where I was going. You people did"!
Slim chance? Yes, but what a coup! Trumping ESPN would be classic!!!!
For all the heartburn it has caused, this would almost be better than LBJ staying !
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he sold out.it's his decision, but how could you respect the man when he goes on national tv to stick it to c-town. Screw Lebron.
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I agree with that 100%. I've been telling people I work with the following...
In the NBA, when you aren't close to winning a title, your window's closing, you're a bottom-seed playoff contender, etc., the best and only way to get better is to suck hard and suck fast. Get your lottery picks, build your roster from scratch and with able bodies who can grow as players and fit the system you're looking for (whether that's big bruisers down low, solid defensive fundamentals, run and gun, etc.). THEN when you're close, have cap room, and are just a piece or two away, you do what you have to with the big money.
That being said, I like why our owner will do what he does. He wants the best possible team on the floor constantly. I may not agree with the methodology but it beats having Sterling/Dolan holding the purse strings, right?
Like I said earlier, I think the Cavs organization is in solid hands. It'll be interesting as hell to see what I'm cheering for two, three years from now...
We can't get a superstar to come to cleveland. We are 9 hrs from having a home town guy give us the middle finger.Sure you could grab a player in the draft, but I'll be surprised if we are able to get another superstar. Look at portland, they drafted well, and still can't come close to the lakers. All of the stars want to go to Miami, LA, Ny
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So if he leaves, what title does the latest gut-wrenching blow to Cleveland sports get?
The Decision?
The Departure?
The Treason?
LeGone?
The King has left the building.
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I can't take credit for the following quote. Read on another board but I like it.
"Truly great players don't chase championships. They bring them."
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I can't take credit for the following quote. Read on another board but I like it.
"Truly great players don't chase championships. They bring them."
This lends a lot of cred to the THEORY that, when Bosh said "No," LeBron decided to say "Go."
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I can't take credit for the following quote. Read on another board but I like it.
"Truly great players don't chase championships. They bring them."
Good quote.
LeBrons not an idiot and knows he cant stiff cleveland on national TV. So my final guess on the whole situation is we see LBJ staying and Chris Paul coming to the Cavs.
Better than Bosh and we have better depth than the Heat even after giving up some guys.
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I would love to see Lebron and Paul on the same team ..... but I just don't see a Paul trade happening.
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I think Lebron wants to be magic johnson for the heat. When the game is on the line he will be creating for d wade to take the last second shot. I don't think Lebron wants all the pressure that comes with being the man. I will be interested to see how long his contract is.I heard on the radio that riley gave him a option of a 3 year deal if it doesn't work out.
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Just clicking,,,
If he stays or goes,, it's undeniable that he's a special player.. perhaps the best or no worse than 2nd or 3rd best in the league.. Leaving Cleveland can't and shouldn't change that.
How he's viewed by his hometown area if he leaves is an entirely different thing.
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A self proclaimed "king" should want the pressure on him! If not he neither measures up to MJ, Kobe or any other leader who puts it on his shoulders, wins or loses and takes the heat or glory either way.
His legacy becomes that of a role player. I don't see a real "king" willing to settle for that.
As far as Paul coming here goes... I'm not sure many thought there'd be a big chance of Wade, Bosh and James on the floor for the Heat.
I think anything can happen.
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It's just everyone with any credibility has been saying Lebron will go to the heat. I have a hard time him changing his mind by 9pm. If he goes to the heat, he took the easy way out. He will get not nearly as much respect had he won in cleveland. Heck even if he won in chi-town or new york, he would've received the same respect, but miami is just too easy.
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If Lebron chooses to leave this will undoubtedly be the ultimate cop out.
If he really needs TWO other superstars beside him to HELP him win a championship then screw him.
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LBJ would revel in the fact that he got over on all the pundits!
They can't shun him, ignore him or give him no play. All they then can do is say he either passed up a good chance in Miami (they'll say what we've been saying about not wanting a role probably but being the man) or most likely that he is the most loyal, loved athlete in this age by standing by his city.
I don't think LBJ can lose by staying here. Gilbert WILL do what is needed and he knows that.
But hey, I don't claim to know the mind of a young millionaire NBA star and nothing would surprise me. I do think his star burns brighter by taking the high road and he'll know that.
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All this hype would be worth it if he's doing it just to screw with ESPN.
I called it in the other thread on the last or second to last page. I think LeBron is trolling ESPN and getting a good out of it.
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I think Lebron wants to be magic johnson for the heat. When the game is on the line he will be creating for d wade to take the last second shot. I don't think Lebron wants all the pressure that comes with being the man.
I agree with this pretty much. I recall a few years ago the debate that went around asking who you would want to take the last shot. IMHO, it would go Kobe, D Wade, and then others (ie Allen, Ginobli, Nash) ahead of LBJ. I don't think he's money when you need BIG money and, like you, I'm not so sure he wants it.
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