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I've been able to separate my feelings about Kobe the person from Kobe the player. As a player, he's cold blooded, and the best player in the NBA (even if LeBron is more talented). And as a person, I don't really care either way, because it has no bearing on my life.
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how can you not at least speculate that this was conspired months, if not years ago?
I can see months, but year's? who know's? but the last 24hrs. have been an eye opener!
Fact: LeBron is on record as stating that he knew where he was going before the last season began.
Fact: Whatshisname (Simmons?) reported last Fall on the rumor that The Three Me Egos had planned and agreed (super secret pinky promise?) to this while on the Olympic team together.
Months? Definitely, no doubt in my mind.
Years? Most likely, although only one or two.
Given that, for him to string this team and this town along like he did... he's the biggest dirtbag I've ever come across.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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How could Riley NOT have been in on it? Collusion at its finest.
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i feel horrible that he never will get to call a title, as next year is going to be his last. a shame. he's one of the best of all time.
Is that true? I honestly hadn't heard that until right there if it is. And man - that does suck. Joe is simply the best - no other way to put it.
And the Miami welcoming party tonight.... I'll tell ya - last night I honest to God thought he was coming back because I couldn't envision him being such a heartless d-bag to Cleveland on live television... I was literally speechless when it happened. Tonight? Watching this? Pure anger. It's amazing to me my opinion of a guy can change so greatly in 24 hours but it really has. I wish him nothing but the worst in life on and off the court. I absolutely can't wait for the Heat to come to Cleveland.
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tried to stay out of the lbj/kobe who's better arguments, went back and forth a few times (that argument is over) but i have always had a respect for him. wanted to kick his butt when when we played him, otherwise, had no real feelings either way. love to watch him though.
but he never would go about his business like this.
I want to remind you that about 4 or 5 years ago Kobe was starting rumbles about leaving the Laker's if they did not get him any help. And believe me when I tell you he was on the crap list in L.A. when that came out.
The difference between the Laker's and the Cav's is the Laker's took him seriously and got him some help.
If you all would understand that difference the pain would shift to where it belongs!
But the fact that at this time you all want to carry on as a divorced spouse it will take time to heal.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Looks like they're gonna do a sign-and-trade after all...
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Indeed. As distasteful as it is, objectively speaking this move is best for the organization moving forward.
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tried to stay out of the lbj/kobe who's better arguments, went back and forth a few times (that argument is over) but i have always had a respect for him. wanted to kick his butt when when we played him, otherwise, had no real feelings either way. love to watch him though.
but he never would go about his business like this.
I want to remind you that about 4 or 5 years ago Kobe was starting rumbles about leaving the Laker's if they did not get him any help. And believe me when I tell you he was on the crap list in L.A. when that came out.
The difference between the Laker's and the Cav's is the Laker's took him seriously and got him some help.
If you all would understand that difference the pain would shift to where it belongs!
But the fact that at this time you all want to carry on as a divorced spouse it will take time to heal.
different situations.
name one situation where the cavs (you don't need an apostrophe) could have gotten player x, y, or z.
the amare thing didn't work, and apprently didn't want to play with the guy anyway.
when they had cap space last they went out and got the best possible free agents. michael redd and ray allen ended up staying home, it just so happened larry legend hughes was the best FA out there. but the cavs felt like they needed to show lebron.
ready windy's article today, he explains it all, what that organization did for him. what dan gilbert did for him, what he did for his "team"
not that it mattered. this dude was dead set on leaving, so the whole argument is dumb to talk about.
karma is a bitch.
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Screw that! We should do what screws LBJ over the most 
Don't do ANYTHING to help him get his payday there!!!
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I hear you, man. I don't like it one bit.
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The difference between the Laker's and the Cav's is the Laker's took him seriously and got him some help.
Oh give me a break ... anybody who thinks this is either a complete moron as to how the NBA works, or doesn't have clue-one about the Cavs situation. 
Cavs did just about everything they could to build around Lebron, and pretty much every one of those moves were approved or not approved by Lebron anyway.
Can you give one example of something the Cavs could of done?
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can't even look at the guy without thinking what a fraud he is.
I now hope for Lakers Magic NBA championship in 2011 because the NBA needs it! 
I am excited about the NBA and it just keeps getting better! 
I could live with this finals. NO HEAT..... 
Sorry I meant Heat. As a Laker fan they all seem to be the same.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Screw that! We should do what screws LBJ over the most
Don't do ANYTHING to help him get his payday there!!!
Well technically it screws him a little. A Bird-rights max contract will burn up most of the rest of Miami's cap, and they don't have an MLE to play with this year. That means scraps for the rest of the roster.
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Corpus is a straight up troll, I don't understand why he even bothers posting. Cavs also will receive a trade exception of up to $16 million. Appears they will not renounce FAs to get under cap and will take exception. It's looking likely we aren't going to tank it. Maybe with all these picks we can parley it into a high pick next year. Maybe we can finnally build a complete team!
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as much as i hate to say it, signing and trading is probably the smart thing to do.
i hate it now, but like maybe in 2 or 3 years we'll all think yeah good move.
shows we're already in the process of getting back up on our feet. still sucks that the guy gets his cake and eats it too.
i also love how people in miami woke up this morning and realized they had a basketball team.
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Indeed. As distasteful as it is, objectively speaking this move is best for the organization moving forward.
Screw that! We should do what screws LBJ over the most
Don't do ANYTHING to help him get his payday there!!!
The funny thing in all this is that doing a sign and trade is what hurts the Heat the most at this point.
The Cavs are getting 4 draft picks, picks Miami could have used to draft players down the road to fill out their roster.
Not only that but a sign and trade eats up more cap room for Miam down the road. Annual raises (I believe) will be higher because the contract falls under the bird rights rule.
The other thing at play is the trade exception. If Gilbert is serious about making a move, the Cavs essentially use that money like cap space. They could take back as much salary as the trade exception and salary cap space allow, without having to match salaries to make the trade. That's the key.
So if a team is desperate to dump money, the Cavs could trade Delonte West's contract and take back around 29-20 million in salary (16+ million trade exception, 13 million in cap space). That's huge if the Cavs can find a suitor.
The trade exception is the only way Cleveland could have bounced back immediately, if that indeed is the plan. And if nothing else, the Cavs could stockpile draft picks from teams looking to dump a player. They could take a player off the books for someone in exchange for draft picks. That's how OKC rebuilt.
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windy seems to think the cavs could get a "significant" piece.
who in the hell are we going to get after what has gone on the last 24 hours?
also, acquiring a trade exception, that's only good if you make a trade right? there's no kind of benefit of just letting the year expire and receiving anything (in other words, we're making a trade)
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Someone please explain to me=dummy: Why would Lebahole/Heat do this if they did not have to ? It doesn't sound like they have something to gain from it.
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Someone please explain to me=dummy: Why would Lebahole/Heat do this if they did not have to ? It doesn't sound like they have something to gain from it.
because mr brand wants his $$$
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Well, LeBron gets more money and Miami gets him under contract for another year than they could with an outright FA signing. The cap ramifications would seem to be a serious concern, but apparently Pat Riley is confident he can get good role players to sign for the minimum. Unfortunately, he's probably not wrong.
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Yeah, a sign and trade only makes sense for Cleveland if they're going all in. The 4 DP's are nice but realistically, those are no higher then 22-25 (1st rounders) and 45-50 (second rounders).
The trade exception is simply that, 12 months where the Cavs are allowed to use the salary they sent out in the trade as proverbial cap space. It affords you a lot of flexibility because you don't have to match Salaries.
Cavs can take back a star type player and unload a contract for a team essentially for nothing. They could trade Sebastian Telfair + money from their exception for two players making 15 million a piece. That's obviously the extreme example but you get my point. They have a lot of options with the exception, not so many without.
OKC parlayed their trade exception from I believe the Rashard Lewis sign and trade in to taking Kurt Thomas' contract from the Suns. In return they snagged (2) first round draft picks from the Suns which ultimately led them to acquiring I believe Collison and Jeff Green.
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My only gues is that LeBron gets more money
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As usual he's given me a good laugh tonight, especially the part about watching LeBron's show being the most fun he's had since the NBA championship. The guy really knows how to party. 
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who in the hell are we going to get after what has gone on the last 24 hours?
Wouldn't they have to come via trade anyway, due to the exception? Then it wouldn't matter if whoever we get wants to play here or not, he's coming if he wants to get paid. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
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who in the hell are we going to get after what has gone on the last 24 hours?
Wouldn't they have to come via trade anyway, due to the exception? Then it wouldn't matter if whoever we get wants to play here or not, he's coming if he wants to get paid. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
i know, i guess i am just not in agreement with the way gilbert is gonna go about this.
i understand, but i wish he'd just build from the bottom up. it's our best chance.
free agents don't want to come to cleveland. but when you bring in rookies via lottery/draft you at least stand a chance because of the bird rights.
i have no problem waiting 2 or 3 years.
the bulls were garbage a few years ago, and now they're looking to be a top 4 team in the east. they lucked out by getting derek rose. why? because they barely missed the playoffs, so instead of getting bashed in as an 8 seed, they wound up getting the #1 pick due to having a chance in the lottery. it was a longshot, but they did end up with it.
that's how we need to go about it. i have a feeling we may land a good piece here or there, but why do i feel like it's gonna be more aging veteran guys that we're gonna hope give us at least a yr?
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I agree 100%. Unless Grant can pull some serious rabbits out of his hat, I think the OKC/Chicago route is the way to go. I don't like it, but under the current system it's simply the best way to maximize your chances of building a contender.
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I dunno...a trade exception, Delonte's cap-friendly deal, plus Bird rights to Shaq and Wally (we still have Wally's, no?) could net something fairly worthwhile, I'd expect. Package up some of those four draft picks and maybe an expiring deal next spring and try to parlay it into a high 1st next year.
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It's kind of like baseball except a team typically can't offer more than us.
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At this point, I just don't see it being an aging vet. Grant seems to be the voice of reason in all this. I don't think he'd pull the trigger on a so-so trade. I mean, what's the point? The Cavs could just tear down as you suggest. Which wouldn't be a terrible move by any means.
Call me crazy if you'd like but there are teams out there looking to rebuild and the Cavs roster is not helpless. You can't replace LeBron but if you add a good young big and a SG as filler, and suddenly you have a very competitive team. Mo is still just 27, Andy 26, JJ 21. While they're not stars, if you can find that star caliber player somehow, you never know.....they could be pretty good. Surely good enough to be a top 4-5 team in the crappy East.
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Maybe we could trade Jamison and Andy to Milwaukee for Redd. Gives us more cap room once Redds deal is up and we'd stink horribly.
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Any idea who potential trading partners would be? The trade exception gives us flexibility but needs to be used this year.
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LeBron just signed a contract.... Didn't he....?
I'm done listening to Windhorst, the dude's been wrong about a lot of stuff.
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The difference between the Laker's and the Cav's is the Laker's took him seriously and got him some help.
Oh give me a break ... anybody who thinks this is either a complete moron as to how the NBA works, or doesn't have clue-one about the Cavs situation.
Cavs did just about everything they could to build around Lebron, and pretty much every one of those moves were approved or not approved by Lebron anyway.
Can you give one example of something the Cavs could of done?
The Cav's could have gotten him some help. It was obious that he wanted Bosh or D Wade to come there but the Cav's didn't have enough to offer . Geez guys open your eyes.
Whether it be money or a life style. I moved away from Ohio a few years ago because of the life style.There is a big difference between South Padre Island and central Ohio. And there is a big differance between Cleveland and South Beach. If I"m young and have money South Beach is the place to be.
And if you say you would make a different choice than him I will call you a lair! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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danny granger is a name that comes to mind. seems like indy is so/so on keeping him.
first name that popped up.
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Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight; As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier. This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment. Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us. The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you. There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you. You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal. You have given so much and deserve so much more. In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight: "I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE" You can take it to the bank. If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels. Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there. Sorry, but that's simply not how it works. This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become. But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio. The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma. Just watch. Sleep well, Cleveland. Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day.... I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only: DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue.... Dan Gilbert Majority Owner Cleveland Cavaliers Link
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Yeah .... posted here last night when he posted it on the Cav's website.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Seems we did a S&T for the weasel afterall. NOT HAPPY about it. We get what will prob be low first rd picks and a trade exception. 
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