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living outside of cleveland, i can tell you one thing, since thursday night i've had people coming up to me (knowing my cleveland roots and my passion for cleveland sports) and saying they hope the cavs kick the heat's ass next year.
not one person has come up to me and defended the "king"
actually the only people defending him, and wouldn't ya know. are the people who allowed this fiasco to happen, the folks at bspn. mark jackson and jeff van gundy (and what do you know they represent 2/3 of the trio that is the top nba tv announcing crew) i heard mike greenberg trying to defend him this morning on his show (but he didn't kill anyone, are you serious??)
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Mike and Mike are lapdogs. There show is basically 3 hours of commercials with ESPN show endorsements throw in. Very little actual content.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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Mike and Mike are lapdogs. There show is basically 3 hours of commercials with ESPN show endorsements throw in. Very little actual content.
it used to be kinda fun to listen to, but now it's just typical crap.
and you gotta love golic, that guy thinks he speaks for every single pro athlete out there. if he doesn't think it, you better believe no other professional athlete in the world does.
and it's funny when they discuss issues, they always seem to read emails that are supportive of what they think, or against what they think but are incredibly stupid in whole.
i bet there are a ton of emails that could shut down their arguments that they wouldn't dare read.
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Nice read  I think now I can become a fan again and even take up my brother in laws offer to join him at a Cavs game now and again.
I would have loved to have seen the Cavs win it all, but not for lachock, but for the city were I was born.
When my children were young and the Cavs were making a run at a championship I was there when MJ broke our hearts. Yet my children still admired MJ and why wouldn't they, because he was a class act.
If you were to ask my children as young adults weather or not they liked lbj.......there opinion would have been the same as mine was and that is taking nothing away from his physical talents......no! He is not a good person.
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I don't remember his exact schedule, but I don't think Jesus got a bye week. 
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All three contracts, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, have an early termination option after the fourth season that would allow LeBron, Bosh and Wade to return to free agency in the summer of 2014. Each player also possesses a player option entering the final season of the contract (2015-16). LINK If the experiment doesn't work, they can get out and do this all over again. 
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Maybe in 4 years they can take their traveling circus to NY.....
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if there is a summer of 2014, as desperate as i am to see us get a star, i am glad we won't be a part of THAT process.
i like that dan gilbert said he wants hard working, tough guys in there. he took a shot at chris bosh in a Q&A. awesome.
seriously, if they are gonna fill up the q to spew out hate at lbj when the heat come to town, i really think they should do S-T-D chants for dwade, and maybe have some cardboard cutouts of ru paul for chris bosh.
awesome.
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Here is what I think Dan Gilbert needs to do for the first game the Heat comes to the Q: Nickle Beer Night
Everyone that attends get a "Quit-ness" flag to wave
Everyone gets a small box of dog biscuits
The fans will figure out the rest 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I dont want us to look like a bunch of jackasses. I would be happier if the arena was just empty.
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I dont want us to look like a bunch of jackasses. I would be happier if the arena was just empty.
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me too, and i think it sends the best message.
however, that will never happen, therefore i suggest ru paul signs, and s-t-d chants. not sure what to think of lbj, i am sure we can come up with something.
but no throwing stuff, nothing like that. let's try and keep it somewhat classy.
and no gloria jabs, how about finding something to blast that guy that's about him.
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and no gloria jabs, how about finding something to blast that guy that's about him.
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Chris Paul "joked" at Melo's wedding this past weekend that Amare, Melo and Paul would form "their own" big3 in NY.
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All three contracts, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, have an early termination option after the fourth season that would allow LeBron, Bosh and Wade to return to free agency in the summer of 2014. Each player also possesses a player option entering the final season of the contract (2015-16).
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If the experiment doesn't work, they can get out and do this all over again.
I was going to bring that up earlier but posting from my phone is kind of a pain. But yeah, if you're guaranteeing winning seven championships, why do you need an ETO in your deal?
Also, nba.com has a blurb that Mark Cuban intends to bring up the topic of tampering at the owners meetings that start next week.
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Bravo Cuban! (never thought I would ever say that). 
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Agreed... Bravo Cuban!! Hope he finds a way to make it stick.
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in what vein though? BW was saying that the entire NBA was tampering with the players. most likely, including the Cavs with Bosh. it was a blatant disregard for the tampering rules that ended up with a wild, wild west FA period. it's the main reason I don't think the Heat will get any heat from the commish. Tampering was too rampant to narrow down to one team anyway (unless they want to take the NCAA approach with USC) Stern to address: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/mavericks_mark_cuban_urges_nba.html
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I dont want us to look like a bunch of jackasses.
Not possible. We'll stoop to an all time low or just boo a lot. Either way, Cleveland will look bad. Then again, we can't look much worse (even with all the free pity we've been receiving lately).
Maybe this was already said, I've been keeping my distance from Cavs threads the past few days, if Gilbert thought lebron quit why did he want to resign him? The Cavs would have looked a lot better to come out with that essentially the same letter and remove themselves from The Decision weeks beforehand. Some people would say we were still acting like a jilted ex but we'd have been proactive and not looked like the weak one.
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As ticked as Gilbert was, you would think that if there was ANYTHING to help his cause, he would do that at this point... The Cleveland Cavaliers have no plans to push for an NBA probe into the circumstances that led to LeBron James joining Team USA colleagues Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, according to sources with knowledge of the team's thinking. LINKWe know Gilbert was not a happy camper after this ordeal. You know he'd love to stick it to LBJ and the Heat if he could. So why not pursue this publicly then? There's more going on than we currently know in this entire FA process. If the Cavs did do their own tampering, then better to let it be at this point. But if the Cavs did nothing wrong and Gilbert wants action, he doesn't strike as the kind of guy to just say - oh well, it is what it is.
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I still think 90% of the colluding was done by the players as they set this whole thing up a long time ago and watched it play out. I don't believe there are any rules against the players talking and planning amongst themselves...
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i thought i read windy yesterday saying he thinks the cavs agreeing to s&t basically threw out a chance to really go after this tampering thing.
my guess is the cavs weighed both options but realized the trade exception would give you something.
only a fool would think david stern would do anything harsh enough to these guys.
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jc...
I'm shocked to see that Romeo Travis and Dru Joyce aren't on the Cavs summer league team this year!
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Players under contract are not permitted to recruit other players that are under contract.
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What really can be done? Fine them a few thousand dollars? Sit them a few games? It would be almost impossible to prove the Heat front office was involved. As far as player tampering....again, what's the penalty?
I think Gilbert knows it's better to move on. He already blasted two warning shots across the bow with the letter and the "quit" statement. Any more and the Cavs really do become the bitter ex-girlfriend just acting like a baby (and a lot of people already are of that opinion).
As far as Toronto, what do they care? They KNEW along with the rest of the world that Bosh was gone. Tamper with him all you want, he wasn't staying. Bosh never made it a secret he was leaving. I respect him a lot more because he never lead them on.
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Pretty sad that the three best teams in the league were constructed mostly due to shady deals that involved:
1) The GM of Memphis gift wrapping Paul Gasol and others for 2 cents on the dollar to the Lakers ... right after Jerry West had stepped aside in Memphis to give the GM his job.
2) Kevin McHale in Minnesota, gift wrapping Kevin Garnett to his former playing team for a roll of masking tape.
3) Two players colluding with a third to join up and play for the same team.
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Pretty sad that the three best teams in the league were constructed mostly due to shady deals that involved:
1) The GM of Memphis gift wrapping Paul Gasol and others for 2 cents on the dollar to the Lakers ... right after Jerry West had stepped aside in Memphis to give the GM his job.
2) Kevin McHale in Minnesota, gift wrapping Kevin Garnett to his former playing team for a roll of masking tape.
3) Two players colluding with a third to join up and play for the same team.
the nba, where amazing happens!
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Then you got a referee getting busted by the Feds for gambling connections, and an entire network talking up a team (The Heat) trying to make them the heros rather than the bad guys everyone sees them as. NBA is starting to look like professional wrestling.
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Asking seriously here, did I miss something with Wade regarding STD's?
And for when the Heat come to town, I think it'd be funny to somehow distribute about 21,000 empty bottles of powder - the small ones that you can buy for like $1, and throw them on the court as the Heat players are being introduced.
Then boo like you've never boo'd before for the next two and a half hours.
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allegedly he gave his divorced wife an std.
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Last week's open letter to Cavalier fans written by majority owner Dan Gilbert will cost the team $100,000, NBA Commissioner David Stern announced Monday.
Gilbert unleashed his disgust with former Cavs forward LeBron James Thursday just moments after James announced he intended to sign with the Miami Heat during a one-hour special on ESPN.
Portions of the letter condemned the way James bid farewell to the city he called home for so long, reading, "This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his 'decision' unlike anything ever 'witnessed' in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment."
In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Gilbert called his letter a 'rally cry.' Another part of the letter read, "If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our 'motivation' to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels."
Perhaps the most stunning statement in the letter was a vow that Cleveland will experience victory before James does. Gilbert wrote, "I personally guarantee that the Cleveland Cavaliers will win an NBA championship before the self-titled former 'King' wins one. You can take it to the bank."
Those very words are taking the Cavaliers to the bank, and forcing the team to cough up a $100,000 fine.
"I think that the remarks by Dan Gilbert, the owner of the Cavaliers, catalyzed as they may have been by hurt with respect to the manner and the fact, for himself or his team, and particularly for the people of Cleveland, though understandable were ill advised and imprudent," Stern said, "And I have notified Cleveland that they will be fined $100,000 for those remarks under my power as commissioner."
Stern weighed-in on James' decision and said that he was "entitled" to decide to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers for the Miami Heat, but would have advised him to tell the Cavaliers ahead of time.
When contacted by Fox 8 News, Cavaliers spokesman Tad Carper said the team would have no statement about the fine.
Plenty of other figures have been willing to make statements about the letter, however, with the Rev. Jesse Jackson putting a racial spin on the situation. Jackson said, "[Gilbert] speaks as an owner of LeBron and not the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers. His feelings of betrayal personify a slave-master mentality . He sees LeBron as a runaway slave."
Gilbert's rebuttal to Jackson's scrutiny was simply, "I strongly disagree with Rev. Jesse Jackson's recent comments and we are not going to engage in any related discussion on it. Going forward, we're very excited about the Cavaliers and the positive future of our region."
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I think it's really harsh that Gilbert got slapped a fine. Can an owner not call a player out? Sure the circumstances may be a bit different here but I think this shows Stern wants to try and protect any further defamation to him who shall not be named before the NBA gets hit by a merchandise dropoff of said player's gear after the miami fans get all they want.
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With Stern at the helm its definitely a players' league. They can do no harm. But Stern doesn't care. His league is now in the headlines during its dead season. "[LeBron's] honesty and integrity shined through." lol
In other news that I didn't see posted anywhere, Derek Fisher is unsurprisingly staying in LA.
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$100,000 is nothing to Gilbert. I bet he spits on the check before he puts it in the envelope.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Stern is a limp Richard.
Who listens to him??
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What's the maximum fine Stern can give out? If I was billionaire athlete/owner I would tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.
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All I know......I jumped on the bandwagon, two years ago!
I am now jumping off that bandwagon.
I am so DONE with the NBA!
College B-Ball is so much better......not about money.
Get over Lebron people......he is all about himself!
I love the Browns and have forever......it will soon be football season.
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All I can say to Lebron is this...GOOD RIDDANCE AND BE HAPPY IN MIAMI! Since you left Cleveland fans hung out to dry!
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Being in Florida and about a 2 hr drive from Miami, I have to hear and see all the celebrating going on. It's annoying. They are making these 3 out to be superheros, that are coming to save Miami. Guess they forgot it's only been what, 5 years since their last championship?
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What's the maximum fine Stern can give out? If I was billionaire athlete/owner I would tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.
I wonder what would happen if Gilbert politely told Stern he wasn't going to pay the fine?
Really...would Stern say we couldn't play basketball or the team would forfeit games until said fine was paid?
Now, I am just wondering here...exactly what mechanism the commish holds to enforce the fine? It's not like he can have him thrown in jail or hung.
I suppose he could force a vote of ouster by the other owners.
It would be interesting to see what rules the owners in all sports leagues agree to when they purchase a pro team.
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What's the maximum fine Stern can give out? If I was billionaire athlete/owner I would tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.
I wonder what would happen if Gilbert politely told Stern he wasn't going to pay the fine?
Really...would Stern say we couldn't play basketball or the team would forfeit games until said fine was paid?
Now, I am just wondering here...exactly what mechanism the commish holds to enforce the fine? It's not like he can have him thrown in jail or hung.
I suppose he could force a vote of ouster by the other owners.
It would be interesting to see what rules the owners in all sports leagues agree to when they purchase a pro team.
Interesting question.... I suppose there is shared income of sorts isn't there.. so doesn't it funnel through the NBA? maybe Stern could withhold payment until the fine is paid in full?
Anyway, I've been having a running verbal battle with Shaun Powell of the NBA., he's a reporter for them and the one that wrote a scathing artical about Gilberts letter to the fans after "The Decision"!
He will not address collusion or tampering. Yet, and maybe this is by simple view of things, that IS the issue.
The NBA is getting a black eye over this yet they do the old "Stone Wall" thing on it..
I'm pretty much against government intervention into stuff like this, but maybe this time, it needs investigated.. or maybe just the threat of it.. dunno.
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