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I agree with your concept of not building where it's not wanted. My question is "Do the people who don't want it there, really know why they don't?"
These folks have almost 5 million invested in the building already.
General comment not in response to you Arch:
We could find almost any site, any building, any business, and someone will oppose it.
We might as well all bow before Bin Laden, he's getting the hatred he wanted, and showing how hypocritical we are as a country to claim freedom, but then restrict it to certain people.
How far from Ground Zero is acceptable?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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But again this isn't about whether they have the right to do so. If the terrorists had been Hindu, or Bhuddist, or the IRA.....the building of a Muslim rec center would have absolutely no issue....But the fact is that the terrorists were Muslim and they did this act in the Name of Islam. I mean some things should not be done out of respect. I mean if Charles Manson wishes to be buried next to Sharon Tate when he dies...should we allow it in the name of tolerance and understanding??? Sure he has the right to buy that plot, etc....but frankly it is a classless thing to do.
It is not about whether they have the right to do this....it is about whether they should.
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I agree completely - based upn sentimentality - that they really should reconsider their stance, but the fact is: I don't think that there is any ground to stand on to stop them from doing it. Attempting to have the city or state prevent it would easily open the city and state up to religious discrimination suits. Lawsuits that they would lose because it would be absolutely undeniable that it was done because of their religion.
If nothing else, I'm coming of the mind that making a fuss about it is more harmful than simply letting it go and ignoring it.
I've seen where people have said that this "Cordoba House" is them thumbing their nose at us and it is their trophy building for the attack..... I say that if everyone ignores the thing, it loses its meaning. It is only if you give something like that power that it has any.
The whole thing is hate and fear mongering at its worst.
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It's not about whether they should or should not, it's about whether they are willing to deal with the criticism during the process, in a few weeks no one will be discussing this anymore.
Are we going to forbid Muslims from working withing a radius of Ground Zero? From visiting, or passing through?
your associating ALL muslims with an extremists group. Not any different than claiming any Christians at a soldiers funeral are part of the Westboro Church group and therefore are not welcome.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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That's the whole point,...folks use legality to overrule common moral sense.
I remember not conducting play in our American softball league on the Moslem holy day when I was in Afghanistan. (I think it is Thursday or Friday, they consider it to be our equivalent of Sunday,...) Nobody ever complained or gave it a second thought, even though the ballfield was on the American Embassy compound. We knew it would offend our hosts, so we didn't do it. If we had played, would The Hague have ruled we violated any law outside of a moral one ?
If it has to be, I'm probably more now on the side of some kind of "combined" religious facility or temple. I would even give up my right to a Christian church in the interest of having NOTHING built there, if that made the problem go away.
I can tell you this -- if it is built, New York City can forget ever having me there as a tourist.
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That's the whole point,...folks use legality to overrule common moral sense.
No, legal sense is all that matters here.... or are you saying that the Pentagon should remove the mosque that is has in its building? Lots of people died there that day, too. At the hands of the same people.
Should we remove Muslims from our military and from public service, especially in New York?
Where does the B.S. stop?
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I see your point, but you're asking questions that have "common sense" answers. It is important to keep all of those things you mentioned in place, probably both morally and legally. This mosque has only a legal leg to stand on. But that's just my opinion. Enjoy your visit,... 
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I understand the point you are trying to make. But it is not the best of comparisons....as a Christian Soldier at a funeral is not there permanently nor has the Westboro Church been embraced by the mainstream Christian churches. Mainstream Islam, as has been mentioned before, has yet to distance themselve from the exremists and radicals....
And also, why would we forbid muslims for visiting or working in the area??? There is a difference between that and building a permanent structure.
And lets take religion out of the equation...had the terrorists not been religious at all...but say political....North Korean Communists....or something on that line...We still have the right to petition against the building. It doesn't matter if they spent 5 million or 500 billion.
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I agree completely - based upn sentimentality - that they really should reconsider their stance, but the fact is: I don't think that there is any ground to stand on to stop them from doing it....,...
I believe you're absolutely right here.
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No, legal sense is all that matters here....
First of all you want to base this off of a system built by lawyers whom we usually hold a one of the lowest forms of life???   And secondly...do you wish to completely dismiss the rights of all those who petition against this building....As DC pointed out...there are MANY Zoning perspectives to take here where those dissenters have a case.
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The incredible irony in all of it - if anyone watched the Daily Show videos I posted - is that the vast majority against it tend to be right-leaning, and yet it is the right-leaning people that are unwittingly financing the thing  My point of the legality bit is this: If there are no grounds whatsoever to prevent it - then what the heck are people arguing about? You cannot change it, it WILL get built -- thus you can only choose to accept it (note, that does not mean you have to like it) or you can let it bother you. I choose to accept it, then forget about it entirely. Even IF the intent of the building is to be a snub and to offend, it can only succeed in that regard if you allow it to. It meeting that goal is up to you, not them, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it is built or not.
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There are 11 Christian Churches in the area. The Church that was destroyed right near ground zero is likely to be rebuild. There is no Constitutional rationale for stopping the Mosque, and quite frankly, the people trying to do so look rather petty and small. As stated above, Muslims perished in 9-11. I guess we should keep Muslims out of the area though. They just "don't belong there". Maybe out of the state. Let's just round them all up and boot them out of the country. That'll show 'em what kind of people we are. Then they'll see how we follow our own promises of freedom from religious persecution. (especially ironic since we have often accused Muslims of religious persecution) Yep. That'll show 'em. Do as we say .... not as we do. 
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No, legal sense is all that matters here....
First of all you want to base this off of a system built by lawyers whom we usually hold a one of the lowest forms of life??? And secondly...do you wish to completely dismiss the rights of all those who petition against this building....As DC pointed out...there are MANY Zoning perspectives to take here where those dissenters have a case.
The system I speak of is the Constitution.
As for your lawyers, any half-drunk, partially retarded lawyer will have any blockage thrown out in under an hour.... and just what Rights do you feel those people have that would be applicable? There are none, because there are no laws to the contrary of building it. If there were, they never would have gotten the permits and stuff to be this far along.
And zoning issues? Seriously? In a neighborhood that run down, surrounded by sex shops, strip joints and even other churches... you think zoning is going to be an issue? No, it will not.
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The incredible irony in all of it - if anyone watched the Daily Show videos I posted - is that the vast majority against it tend to be right-leaning, and yet it is the right-leaning people that are unwittingly financing the thing
My point of the legality bit is this: If there are no grounds whatsoever to prevent it - then what the heck are people arguing about?
You cannot change it, it WILL get built -- thus you can only choose to accept it (note, that does not mean you have to like it) or you can let it bother you.
I choose to accept it, then forget about it entirely.
Even IF the intent of the building is to be a snub and to offend, it can only succeed in that regard if you allow it to. It meeting that goal is up to you, not them, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it is built or not.
Agree totally. That's why I said,..."See ya,' New York !"
New twist though,...there is a lot of hubbub about being able to get construction workers to build it. I suppose that's just preening.
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It's definitely preening. If nothing else, they'll just bring in workers from out of town, or get community volunteers.
It's just people being incredibly petty because they don't like it and they can't accept that there is nothing they can do about it.
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New twist though,...there is a lot of hubbub about being able to get construction workers to build it. I suppose that's just preening.
Well ... if people turn down work in this economy, then they should get no benefits if they can't find work.
Man, I had no idea so many Americans could be so damned petty.
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The Church that was destroyed right near ground zero is likely to be rebuild.
Yeah well the IRA or some other Christian group didn't fly the planes into the towers that toppled them either....
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There is no Constitutional rationale for stopping the Mosque, and quite frankly, the people trying to do so look rather petty and small.
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That'll show 'em what kind of people we are. Then they'll see how we follow our own promises of freedom from religious persecution.
Right...because that is what this is about religious persecution  ...While we are at it....Lets allow Charles Manson to be buried next to Sharon Tate....That will show everyone how tolerant and understanding we are...Lets start saying prayers at the beginnings of all sporting events...each religion can take a game. That will show our tolerance too. Even the Athiests can take a game...We must be tolerant of athiests....
Come on YTown....this is NOT about religious persecution.......This is about having some respect and some class.......And you think that those hit the hardest are the only ones that have to show it.....That's tolerance for you....
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New twist though,...there is a lot of hubbub about being able to get construction workers to build it. I suppose that's just preening.
Well ... if people turn down work in this economy, then they should get no benefits if they can't find work.
Man, I had no idea so many Americans could be so damned petty.
I would think rather that a worker who had those kinds of morals probably has enough work to keep him off the unemployment line, and is probably the same type of person that wouldn't file a claim anyway.
Most of the "need to" guys will go to work on it,....they're just fluffing. Like Purp said, they'll bring in folks who don't care anyway.
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..this is NOT about religious persecution.......This is about having some respect and some class...
Really? Then why did you make this comment a few lines above: "Yeah well the IRA or some other Christian group didn't fly the planes into the towers that toppled them either...."
It is totally plain and clear that this is a religious persecution issue for you.
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So what is the Constitutionality for every other zoning battle that goes on???
Show me where other zoning battles violate, or attempt to violate, the Constitution and I'll show you your answer.
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New twist though,...there is a lot of hubbub about being able to get construction workers to build it. I suppose that's just preening.
Well ... if people turn down work in this economy, then they should get no benefits if they can't find work.
Man, I had no idea so many Americans could be so damned petty.
I would think rather that a worker who had those kinds of morals probably has enough work to keep him off the unemployment line, and is probably the same type of person that wouldn't file a claim anyway.
Most of the "need to" guys will go to work on it,....they're just fluffing. Like Purp said, they'll bring in folks who don't care anyway.
Do you do drugs?
I ask because that is some seriously bent logic that you've applied there.
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Yeah well the IRA or some other Christian group didn't fly the planes into the towers that toppled them either....
No they didn't. And neither did every Muslim fly those planes.
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So what is the Constitutionality for every other zoning battle that goes on???
That you cannot discriminate against any person or group based upon race, creed, religion, etc. If you tell a Muslim group that they cannot locate here because they are Muslim .... that is the very definition of discrimination! Frankly I am stunned that you fail to see that.
As far as showing class .... Yes, I do believe that we have to live up to our ideals, and show class. Will the "other guys" do the same in return? Maybe. Maybe not. Should we throw aside our ideals because they may not?
Well, should we?
Should we treat each and every member of a religion with utter and complete comtempt regardless of how they personally live their lives? Should we treat each and every member of a religion with contempt regardless of what they personally believe?
Because that's exactly what's happening here.
Oh, and comparing all Muslims to Charles Manson is about as offensive as you can get. I am extremely disappointed that you would even make such a comparison.
In closing .... if American values and ideals mean anything, then they must apply to everyone equally. The monent they cease doing so is the moment they can be taken away from all of us.
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That's something I found during a protest to a WalMart site down the street from me. The news reporters were talking to people and found out that most didn't even live nearby, or lived much closer to the WalMart 10 miles up the road than this proposed one. They were there because they had a friend who was against it and asked them to help out.
Does that make sense. I guess what I'm saying is I have seen people protest and oppose things just for the sake of being involved at the request of a friend. That the particular thing they were protesting had no affect on their lives t all.
I have worked to oppose things before that were not directly in my backyard just because I wanted to oppose the principle of what they were doing and I didn't want a precedence set that would bring the same problem to my backyard.
Because by your logic, why are so many spending time defending it? If they aren't Muslim and they don't live and work in Manhattan then why waste the time and energy to defend it? They defend it out of principle, probably guided by the first amendment... others oppose it out of principle, like the previous poster explained..
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The proposed Mosque is not being built ON Ground Zero, it will be a couple blocks away.
Technically that depends on how you define "ground zero".. if you are talking about the blocks that make up the footprint of the towers then you are correct.. if you are talking about the area that was impacted and sustained damage from the attacks then this building is within that radius as a large chunk of landing gear fell right through the roof of this building as I understand it.
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I understand your point of view, but do not expect anyone to understand mine.
Was that a real question ? Drugs ? I know you were joking, but that's crossing the line.
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I would think rather that a worker who had those kinds of morals probably has enough work to keep him off the unemployment line, and is probably the same type of person that wouldn't file a claim anyway.
So, you think that because someone would "have the morals" to turn down work based upon discriminating against another religion, that this will get them work. Not only that, but you also feel that if they were out of work, they wouldn't file for unemployment?
Then, you also suggest that people that would take that work are lesser.
THAT is the bent logic to which I refer.
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Come on YTown....this is NOT about religious persecution....
Sure it is. It may make you feel better to say it isn't but you're just kidding yourself.
Since you're good at "What if's" how about this one......If the terrorists had been YMCA enthusiasts would you care if they were rebuilding a YMCA 2 blocks away? In a position from which the Y cannot see GZ and from which someone at GZ cannot see the Y?
If your answer to my scenario is anything but, "No, I wouldn't care a bit" then you're either lying to yourself or to us. Neither alternative is a pretty one.
Yet, replace the phrase YMCA with Muslim rec center (because it's NOT a mosque) and suddenly it's highly offensive to people all over America. Smells like fear-mongering to me.
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I would like people to consider this .....
What if a group of Black Muslim Americans had committed the 9-11 attacks?
Would people today be boycotting any Black owned businesses trying to move into the area? Or would it just be Black Muslims? Or still Muslims in general? Both Black people and Muslims? Where does the line get drawn? Where do we say that we will treat people as individuals instead of grouping them all together, for good, or for ill?
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I already said, I didn't expect anyone to understand. To me, it's as petty to pick someone's opinion apart and misconstrue what they mean, as it is to oppose the mosque. I'll repeat, I just don't ever intend to visit New York City.
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j/c People here are talking about "it's in bad taste to build it here" as if only Christians were affected by the 9/11 tragedy. As has been pointed out ad naseum, this is not on the site, it is near it. And furthermore, so many people are quick to use Muslim as a synonym for terrorist, when it is not.There are literally millions of normal, hard working Americans who are Muslim. Here's an interesting article about 9/11 with a different perspective on Islam. Quote:
Thousands of innocent lives were lost on September 11, 2001, and our hearts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones. For several hundred of the victims of 9/11, grief and sorrow has been compounded by constant suspicion, bias, hatred, and attacks on the faith they hold dear.
Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Or imagine being Baraheen Ashrafi, nine months pregnant with her second child. Her husband, Mohammad Chowdhury, was a waiter at Windows of the World restaurant, on the top floors of Tower One. The morning of September 11, they prayed salaat-l-fajr (the pre-dawn prayer) together, and he went off to work. She never saw him again. Their son, Farqad, was born 48 hours after the attacks -- one of the first 9/11 orphans to be born. In an interview with CTV Canada6, she relates that in the months to follow, she mourned for her husband and endured the hostility of some ignorant people around her. "When they saw me ... I'm wearing a scarf. There is a hate look."
Or consider Rahma Salie, a passenger on American Airlines #11 that crashed into the North Tower. Rahma, a Muslim of Sri Lankan origin, was traveling with her husband Michael (a convert to Islam) to attend a friend's wedding in California. Rahma was 7 months pregnant with their first child. According to the Independent UK (October 11, 2001), Rahma's name was initially put on an FBI watch list, because her "Muslim-sounding" name was on the passenger manifest, and her travel patterns were similar to those of the hijackers (she was a computer consultant living in Boston). Although her name was eventually removed from the list, several of her family members were barred from taking flights to her memorial service. Her mother, Haleema, said, "I would like everyone to know that she was a Muslim, she is a Muslim and we are victims too, of this tragic incident.”
Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:
Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database7, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.
Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad8 (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah9 (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA10 website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi11 (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury12 (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani13 (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
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Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child14 (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid15 (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
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What part did I misconstrue?
To my eye, you very clearly drew a distinction between people that would refuse to work on that building and those who wouldn't refuse. The only basis for that refusal is religious discrimination.
What did I get wrong?
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These facts ignore that the terrorists claimed their identity as defenders of the World of Islam. Those Muslims who died there were nothing more than Americans to the attackers.
No, the terrorists acts were NOT representative of the entire population of Islamic worshippers. We all understand that.
I have as much legal right to turn my back on New York City as the supporters who will have it built do. It's a tossup as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't intend to visit NYC either. But it's because it's dirty, dangerous and the people are rude. Bypassing a trip to NYC because of 51 Park Place is, well, kinda silly. But it is your God given right to be silly. So have at it. 
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I don't think it's religious discrimination. I think it's a conscious moral decision, and one I would not hold against anyone who exercised it. The men who would exercise it probably already have alligators chomping at them, and don't need this job, or other work, and some of them, even if they did need it, would rather go without an unemployment check. Some won't have a choice,...I didn't say, or even mean to suggest, that makes them lesser men.
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There is no Constitutional rationale for stopping the Mosque, and quite frankly, the people trying to do so look rather petty and small.
So what is the Constitutionality for every other zoning battle that goes on???
What it comes down to is the group that stands the longest, and fights the longest will win. I put my money on the cultural center, as most protesters have a short attention span and once the media leaves and it appears no one is listening, they will go home.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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PETE and Arch...
I get your points, gentlemen. I really do. Well-put and thought out.
On some other issues, I'm sure we'll see things the same way.
All's cool here. We just see this one from different POV's
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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What it comes down to is the group that stands the longest, and fights the longest will win. I put my money on the cultural center, as most protesters have a short attention span and once the media leaves and it appears no one is listening, they will go home.
Nah, it will come down to funding.. some legal fund will take up this issue and pursue it in court... the Mosque people will fight it and either one of them will run out money and quit or it will keep going up the court change and if it does, the mosque people will win because the law is on their side, the other side is an emotional argument.. I'm not saying its a bad argument, just that its an emotional argument more than it is a legal argument.
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My opinion is that a year after they build it (and I think they will eventually build it unless the Imam backs down first) this will be a non-issue except for the occassional "How is the mosque doing?" op-ed story in the NYTimes which will be used as little more than an opportunity to blast the right as intolerant since the Muslims at the mosque have not done any damage yet.. (not that I think they will)
This is probably accurate.
I would also like to see a NYT op-ed piece that would applaud any former opponent of this center who changes his view BECAUSE OF the lack of damage.
But that's just me... and the way I'd like to see the world work.
My Pops-In-Law called me a "dreamer" a couple of years ago... and he didn't mean it as a compliment, even though it took it as one. Frustrated the hell out of him. I still want to see people strive for the better. This buliding can be either a bone of contention or a place of positive motivation. The building is just brick and mortar... what people do with (and about) it is the measure of who we are as a species.
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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It is totally plain and clear that this is a religious persecution issue for you.
No it is not.... I don't think the Army should build a base 500 ft from Wounded Knee...I don't think the KKK should build a Meeting Hall 500 feet from the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing....I don't believe Manson or any murderer (or murderers fans as we all know there are fans of Manson, Bundy, etc....) should be allowed to be buried next their victims on near the sites of of the slayings simply because they want it. None of those is religously motivated. Yet all are within their Constitutional rights to do so....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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And again...I have NOT ONCE said they cannot put it there....My stance is that I do not want them to put it there....many of you even agreed that it is in bad taste...and as such I will exercise MY rights to petition against it.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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JC.
If it had been called the "51 Park Place Cultural Center" from the beginning, no one would have even batted an eye.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I think that it has been (officially). It is just the main group opposing it that started to refer to it as a "mosque"... which, of course, the media then ran with.
Controversy sells, even where there isn't any.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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