Quote: It's simple really mac.. because others have posted the radical elements within the New Black Panther Party
DC...but the New Black Panther Party is not the subject of this thread, is it?
Actually, by extension, they are inclusive.
The thread, while focusing on the beliefs of the single individual - and by extension, those like him... would include those that are like him on the opposing side of the fence. If you are going to cast aspersions at one side because of associations with a racist and bigot, then you should be man enough to cast those same aspersions at your own side.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Quote: It's simple really mac.. because others have posted the radical elements within the New Black Panther Party and the radical elements within the Department of Justice that are intent on looking the other way at their felonious activities to get Obama elected and all of the other crap that's flying around and you won't address it..
Sure some people get upset at your completely lopsided posting of information.. but at least in getting up set they are addressing it.. where as when somebody posts something you don't like, you have 3 responses... attack the source, post an article from the Huffington Post, or give the standard "Bush did it too nah nee nah nee boo boo" response..
So what is your opinion of the New Black Panther Party and their support of Obama and what is your opinion of the Justice Department dropping an open and shut case against them in proving voter intimidation? Just curious.
Adams' accusations don't stand up to the facts •Adams is a longtime right-wing activist who is known for filing an ethics complaint against Hugh Rodham that was subsequently dismissed. Adams served as a poll watcher for George W. Bush in Florida in 2004, and he reportedly volunteered for a Republican group that trains lawyers to fight "racially tinged battles over voting rights." •Adams was hired at the Justice Department in 2005 by Bradley Schlozman, who was found by the Justice Department's inspector general and Office of Professional Responsibility to have improperly considered political affiliation when hiring career attorneys -- the former head of the DOJ voting rights section reportedly said that Adams was "exhibit A of the type of people hired by Schlozman." •Adams has admitted that he does not have firsthand knowledge of the events, conversations, and decisions that he is citing to advance his accusations. •The Bush administration's Justice Department -- not the Obama administration -- made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008. •The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against King Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party who was carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center. •The Bush administration DOJ chose not to pursue similar charges against members of the Minutemen, one of whom allegedly carried a weapon while harassing Hispanic voters in Arizona in 2006. •No voters have come forward to claim that they were intimidated and did not vote because of the New Black Panthers' presence outside the polling center. •The Republican vice chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which is currently investigating the Justice Department's decision, has said that the case is "very small potatoes" and that it has been surrounded by "overheated rhetoric filled with insinuations and unsubstantiated charges." She has further stated that the investigation has not "served the interests of the Commission" and that the DOJ has given a "plausible argument" for not pursuing additional charges in the case. Fox News has discussed phony scandal during at least 95 segments Media Matters reviewed Fox News' coverage of the phony New Black Panther Party scandal on America Live and Fox News' evening shows available in Nexis from June 30 through July 14:
•America Live has discussed the phony scandal during 45 segments totaling more than 3.5 hours since Kelly's June 30 interview with Adams. •The O'Reilly Factor has discussed the phony scandal during 18 segments totaling more than 1 hour since Kelly's interview. •Glenn Beck has discussed the phony scandal during 15 segments totaling more than 2 hours since Kelly's interview. •Hannity has discussed the phony scandal during 10 segments totaling more than 42 minutes since Kelly's interview. •Special Report with Bret Baier has discussed the phony scandal during 6 segments totaling more than 14 minutes since Kelly's interview. •On the Record with Greta Van Susteren has discussed the phony scandal during 1 segment totaling more than 7 minutes since Kelly's interview.
Which if you notice has 13 responses, none by any of the Obama apologists.. since there was no disagreement, it died quickly.. which is what happens to most Obama criticism in the media.. it dies quickly.
Quote: or we could talk about Obama's radical recess appointment of Donald Berwick... his new healthcare czar that is just about as radical as they come...
I don't necessarily have a problem with the recess appointment, both sides do it. But, I will say I don't like this appointment. The guy is notoriously known for "patient-centered" care and his extremist attitude. This leads to allowing patients to ask for, and receive, any type of intervention or diagnostic that may or may not have a real affect on their malady other than piece of mind. He even goes so far as advocating for homeopathy and other techniques that have time again shown no benefit over placebo. Talk about bloating a health bill.
I will at least give this NAACP racist the benefit because her attempt at racism actually caused her to realize that racism is wrong.. of course she was racist when she was appointed to her government position in control of a bunch of money...
Quote: This thread is just another great example of why so many non-Republicans are not Democrats.
Perhaps this is an overstatement, but this thread may be a microcosm of the further polarization of America when it comes to politics. Geez my family is split along party lines, and there are some middle-of-the-road types (like me), but we still sit down to Christmas dinner every year and get along well enough. Well, most of us do.
Quote: This thread is just another great example of why so many non-Republicans are not Democrats.
Perhaps this is an overstatement, but this thread may be a microcosm of the further polarization of America when it comes to politics. Geez my family is split along party lines, and there are some middle-of-the-road types (like me), but we still sit down to Christmas dinner every year and get along well enough. Well, most of us do.
It's odd you say that. I have 3 siblings. We all get along great. Until politics............I have one brother that, as smart as he is - and he is - (46 yrs. old and thinking about retiring).....he's never worked for any business. He has been employed by the gov't. - be it state or federal - since he got his masters degree. He and I do not see eye to eye on ANYTHING concerning politics.
My oldest brother - as is typical of the eldest sibling - chooses to not get involved in political discussions. And that's fine. He also owns a business that does quite well mind you.
It constantly amazes me - one brother that has gone out on his own, taken chances, and had those chances pay off - and another brother that has worked for some gov't. agency since his graduation - the difference in their opinions. My "gov't." brother thinks everyone should have what ever they need - (he gets' 12 weeks of vacation a year), while other brother, the business running one - struggles daily with his business. He doesn't let his son work there - my nephew - son of a business owning brother that employs about 20 people - he won't hire his son to even sweep floors. And that brother is loaded by the way.
The discrepancy between my brothers is part of the reason I feel like I do. I have one brother that deals with the economy on a day in day out basis , and one brother that thinks everyone should have the same benefits as him.
One brother is in a position where his business needs to make a profit, while my other brother is in a position where all you need to do is tax people.
It's simple really mac.. because others have posted the radical elements within the New Black Panther Party
DC...but the New Black Panther Party is not the subject of this thread, is it?
Neither was the Tea Party, until Mac infused them with the story. I explained earlier that that was what he was doing, and I was right.'
The thread was about neo-nazis................mac associated them with the tea party, who weren't even mentioned in the original story.
As for Charlie, he is just hateful. And as far as I'm concerned he is calling me a racist. For that I should be able to call him a fool, but I won't, instead I will pray that he will someday face reality and not believe only what he is told.
Quote: Neither was the Tea Party, until Mac infused them with the story. I explained earlier that that was what he was doing, and I was right.'
Actually, as the original poster I mentioned long ago how this Ready was a frequent speaker at TEA Party events. I even posted video of him at a TEA Party rally.
Quote: The thread was about neo-nazis................mac associated them with the tea party, who weren't even mentioned in the original story.
No, this story is about how a Neo-Nazi and frequent TEA Party speaker is patrolling Arizona's border. He has been caught on video as well talking about how any "Mexican" that refuses to obey him is going to be shot - dead.
Quote: As for Charlie, he is just hateful. And as far as I'm concerned he is calling me a racist. For that I should be able to call him a fool, but I won't, instead I will pray that he will someday face reality and not believe only what he is told.
Believe what I am told? I believe what I believe. I don't have somebody sitting right next to me right now telling me what to believe. So, you can pray all you want.
Charlie - the thread is about a nut head. He's shown up at Tea parties. And you conclude that the tea party is racist because of him.
Yet you fail to account for the shabazz dude and the democratic party - of which many have paid him. You fail to account for jeremiah - the "preacher" as you say. "He's just a preacher".
You want to cast the the tea party as racist based on one fellow, yet you won't give the same credence to other "democratic" nut cases.
In my opinion, it just shows you don't know how nuts you are.
That's fine.. just make sure the topic of the story stays on Ready and Shabazz and a host of other wannabes and ignore the one video of the one person who works within the federal government who was asked to speak to the NAACP who states that she promoted racism as a federal government employee... Just make sure the conversation stays on the fringe people that don't really matter and ignore the people that do... good job.
Racism is racism, no matter what race is involved.
It's sad and appalling that anyone in government would deliver less assistance based on the race of the person asking.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
With violence raging across the border in Mexico and Arizona’s anti-immigration legislation stirring controversy in the state, militias with neo-Nazi ties have taken up arms and are patrolling the border in search of “narco-terrorists” and illegal immigrants.
I dont know if this was brought up yet but after reading this, my first guess is that these psycos (neo-Nazis) are searching for "narco-terrorists" to steal their drugs and fund their "HATE GROUPS". I also believe they wouldnt think twice to rape any woman, children or men for that matter.
Ive seen the Klan 1st hand. Yes, in NE Ohio in our own back yards. Ive stood in the face of hate more then once and I will do it again. Id do it for any one of you regardless of your background. They will use any kind of hate, bribery, and backstabbing to suck anyone into their sickness. They have so much hate built up that they have to take it out on minorities or else they will be beating their own families more then they already do. THEY ARE DISGUSTING FILTH! I would rather work in a strawberry field in Cali working next to an illegal for $5 an hour then have these sick people even cross my paths.
NEO NAZIS ARE THE LAST THING WE NEED ON OUR BORDER!!
Quote: They will use any kind of hate, bribery, and backstabbing to suck anyone into their sickness. They have so much hate built up that they will be beating their own families more then they already do. THEY ARE DISGUSTING FILTH! I would rather work in a strawberry field in Cali working next to an illegal for $5 an hour then have these sick people even cross my paths.
Yep, those democrats are something else.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
its impossible to make progress or have any type of reasonable discussion when folks like charlie and mac bring up the "everything is racist" tirade
this whole thread has turned into a laughable rate race
knight...I'm of the opposite view...talking about racism is a good thing...
...race and racism...attempting to hide from it, run from it, pretend it does not exist...THAT IS BAD.
I believe most commenting in this thread have handled themselves fairly well and I see no evidence that "the thread is out of hand"...note: no evidence of a "tirade" either!
The only way the people in the United States are going to find common ground, concern race and racism, is to discuss the subject openly.
Quote: Ive seen the Klan 1st hand. Yes, in NE Ohio in our own back yards.
legal...I used to believe that here in NW Ohio, I lived in an area of the United States that was fairly insulated from the neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen...I WAS WRONG!...
The following excerpt is from a story from the Southern Poverty Law Center, entitled... The Year in Hate, 2008 web page
KU KLUX KLAN Ku Klux Klan groups Reversing a generally declining trend since 2000, Klan groups in the U.S. increased significantly in 2008, from 155 chapters to 186. Seventeen new chapters belong to the Brotherhood of Klans Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (BOK), which during the past five years has grown into the largest Klan organization in the country. In 2008, the Marion, Ohio-headquartered BOK launched a handful of chapters in Canada, linking up with the Aryan Guard, a fast-growing white nationalist group based in Alberta.
Quote: NEO NAZIS ARE THE LAST THING WE NEED ON OUR BORDER!!
I think this is something we can all agree with.
Hopefully, we can all agree that we dont want them inside our border either.
mac, I did see where these hate group numbers are going up and even though they disgust me, I dont fear them at all. Instead of worring about guarding the borders, they need to worry about getting a dental plan. Which is one of my theroies as to why they are going after "narco-terrorist". To steal their drugs to fund their hatred. People feuled by hatred go after the weak. Either as a target are to try to get more members. Their biggest strength is our fear.
I agree that we don't need any group of non-police or non-government folks doing the border handling. That is the job of the government and because they can be held accountable is a better option.
I will agree that these so called neo-nazi will just make matters worse and will just lead to further headaches.
I agree with the sentiment 100%, but I don't agree with "thought police". I feel that people should be able to think and believe whatever the heck they want .... including this nutjob. If he acts outside the law, however, that's when we've got a problem.
That being what it is, this guy is on record stating that he would use lethal force. If the manner in which he has stated he would use it is inconsistent with the law or policies down there, then yes, he should be removed from his post, volunteer or not.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Quote: knight...I'm of the opposite view...talking about racism is a good thing...
...race and racism...attempting to hide from it, run from it, pretend it does not exist...THAT IS BAD.
I believe most commenting in this thread have handled themselves fairly well and I see no evidence that "the thread is out of hand"...note: no evidence of a "tirade" either!
The only way the people in the United States are going to find common ground, concern race and racism, is to discuss the subject openly.
Mac, I agree wholeheartedly with the above comment. The part of this thread that upsets me is the way the story talks of neo-nazis, and instantly they are linked to the tea party. The story doesn't mention the tea party, but either you or Charlie insisted in linking them to the story. That was wrong.
The mainstream media's coverage of the "tea party" has been reduced to finding a nut job in the crowd. Whether you believe in their principle or not, that is not fair. Their message is overlooked, and they are presented as extremists. I can tell you first hand that the parties I've attended are not about race. It actually is the farthest thing from our minds. It is about government.
Just as the right is premoting Shabazz, and trying to link him to all democrats, IMO that is not true journalism. It is unfair and just as wrong as linking Tea Parties to the clan. Frankly IMO it is BS.
Until the media, right and left return to journalistic values. Those being reporting the who, what where, and why, and stop injecting their opinion, we will always be at odds with each other. Though I believe something very different than you, we have to respect each other. The political class in this country has retarded the media. It is almost impossible to believe anything that is reported. I'm afraid that until the bias is removed from all news media, and unbiased reporting returns, politicians will continue to do what they are doing to us right now. That is pitting us against each other, causing friction where none needs to exist.
I have many black friends, and a few of other races. The funny thing is that race is never in our conversations. It doesn't come up unless someone outside of our friendship injects it. I truly believe that the media and the politicians purposely are trying to divide this country, and threads like this are proof. Here we are, all fans of a common team. We have fantastic conversations and spirited debates about something we all love. Then we come to the tailgate lot, and politics are injected into our community. The result is we become divided. IMO that sucks.
We are all the same, none better than the other. I believe deep down that most of us feel that way. Someday, I hope we all can see fit to remove these agitators in the political arena, and work find leaders that work for all people. The bottom line is that day will never come as long as money is the way these jokers obtain their power.
Greed and a desire to be above the common man has ruined our country, or at least the politicians that are supposed to represent us. Me and you, we are just victims of this greed and lust for power.
Nice post - I didn't want to quote it all. But, nice post, I agree.
I also have friends of different races, and they feel very much as I do on race issues. I.E. It's not an issue until somebody has no point to make so THEY make it an issue.
Quote: I will at least give this NAACP racist the benefit because her attempt at racism actually caused her to realize that racism is wrong.. of course she was racist when she was appointed to her government position in control of a bunch of money...
Quote: I will at least give this NAACP racist the benefit because her attempt at racism actually caused her to realize that racism is wrong.. of course she was racist when she was appointed to her government position in control of a bunch of money...
WASHINGTON – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said Wednesday he will reconsider the department's decision to oust a black employee over racially tinged remarks after learning more about what she said.
Vilsack issued a short statement early Wednesday morning after Shirley Sherrod, who until Tuesday was the Agriculture Department's director of rural development in Georgia, said she was pressured to resign because of her comments that she didn't give a white farmer as much help as she could have 24 years ago.
Sherrod said her remarks, delivered in March at a local NAACP banquet in Georgia, were part of a larger story about learning from her mistakes and racial reconciliation, not racism, and they were taken out of context by a blogger who posted only part of her speech.
Vilsack's statement came after the NAACP posted the full video of Sherrod's comments Tuesday night.
"I am of course willing and will conduct a thorough review and consider additional facts to ensure to the American people we are providing services in a fair and equitable manner," Vilsack said.
The Obama administration's move to reconsider her employment was an absolute reversal from hours earlier, when a White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said President Barack Obama had been briefed on Sherrod's resignation after the fact and stood by the Agriculture Department's handling of it.
But growing calls for the administration to reconsider the decision put pressure on Vilsack, who stressed that the decision to ask for her resignation was his alone.
The NAACP, which initially condemned Sherrod's remarks and supported her ouster, later said she should keep her job. The civil rights group said it and millions of others were duped by the conservative website that posted partial video of her speech on Monday.
The white farming family that was the subject of the story also stood by Sherrod and said she should stay.
"We probably wouldn't have (our farm) today if it hadn't been for her leading us in the right direction," said Eloise Spooner, the wife of farmer Roger Spooner of Iron City, Ga. "I wish she could get her job back because she was good to us, I tell you."
As Sherrod reached out to media to plead her case and more people came to her defense, the administration faced criticism that officials nervous about racial perceptions overreacted to her comments and made her a political sacrifice amid dueling allegations of racism between the NAACP and the tea party movement.
In the clip posted on BigGovernment.com, Sherrod described the first time a white farmer came to her for help. It was 1986, and she worked for a nonprofit rural farm aid group. She said the farmer came in acting "superior" to her and she debated how much help to give him.
"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with helping a white person save their land," Sherrod said.
Initially, she said, "I didn't give him the full force of what I could do" and only gave him enough help to keep his case progressing. Eventually, she said, his situation "opened my eyes" that whites were struggling just like blacks, and helping farmers wasn't so much about race but was "about the poor versus those who have."
The two-minute, 38-second clip posted Monday by BigGovernment.com was presented as evidence that the NAACP was hypocritical in its recent resolution condemning what it calls racist elements of the tea party movement. The website's owner, Andrew Breitbart, said the video shows the civil rights group condoning the same kind of racism it says it wants to erase. Biggovernment.com is the same outfit that gained fame last year after airing video of workers at the community group ACORN counseling actors posing as a prostitute and her boyfriend.
In his original statement on the matter Tuesday morning, Vilsack said he had accepted Sherrod's resignation and stressed that the department had "zero tolerance for discrimination." Later in the day, after Sherrod spoke to the media about the intention of her comments, Vilsack sent out a second statement that said the controversy surrounding Sherrod's comments could, rightly or wrongly, cause people to question her decisions as a federal employee and lead to lingering doubts about civil rights at the agency, which has a troubled history of discrimination.
Sherrod said officials showed no interest in listening to her explanation when she was asked to resign. She said she was on the road Monday when USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her and told her to pull over and submit her resignation on her Blackberry because the White House wanted her out.
"It hurts me that they didn't even try to attempt to see what is happening here, they didn't care," Sherrod said. "I'm not a racist. ... Anyone who knows me knows that I'm for fairness."
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
Charger I am not able to see the video here at the office. But I do have a question. And it is not specifically about Ms. Sherrod. But In looking at the comments from the article I posted (some of which were reprehensible) One of the comments mentioned that when she mentioned the part about not oding what she could for that "white" farmer, that many in the audience Laughed....Is this true. I am asking for a couple reasons...one I cannot see the video...and second...does this action not bother you????
IF TRUE.....The fact that this acton of racism is a source of laughter instead of a source of shame or disappointment....to me is proof of the racism rampant within the NAACP. It tells me that any of those people laughing in the audience would have been more than happy to have done the same or worse than what Ms. Sherrod had done.
The only time they showed disappointment is when the video was leaked in a negative manner....and then they turned on this woman REAL FAST...just as the current administration has....Why did they not back this woman from the begininng and stress the lessons she had learned???? It was not until it was all safe for them to do so in the media when they soften their stance.....To me...their actions speak louder than words....their words may say "equality"....but their actions say preferential treatment, racism, and corruption....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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