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Well, the positive thing is that IF you could get to Palmer and disrupt him, that could lead to arguing and high emotions with a catchless TO or Chad in the 3rd/4th quarter.
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Andre Caldwell is ahead of Shipley too.
that's actually my favorite part of them signing Bryant and T.O.
Caldwell might be their best WR. And now he might not see the field (unless of course, they get smart and cut Bryant and rotate Caldwell and Shipley in the slot. But this is the Bengals we are talking about)
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unless of course, they get smart and cut Bryant and rotate Caldwell and Shipley in the slot.
Bryant is a true #1, something we lack as of right now. I actually believe TO was signed because Bryant isn't 100% healthy. I was watching the NFL network tonight, and he looks a little hobbled. I'm not sure how old the video was though.
IMO, Marvin Lewis is a fool for letting his team get loaded up with all these "me" type players. Chad is predicting super bowl already. I really feel this could blow up in their face. It all revolves around Palmer. He was once considered the face of the franchise, now he will be second or third fiddle to a couple loudmouths. If he goes down with injury, or fails to produce like earlier in his career, things could get ugly.
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Bryant is a true #1, something we lack as of right now.
Bryant is old, has been a team-chemistry issue, and has NOT been a #1 WR except for 1 season in his 7 year career.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BryaAn00.htm
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IMO, Marvin Lewis is a fool for letting his team get loaded up with all these "me" type players.
I get the impression it isn't Lewis making these decisions.
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Me players? they want a championship and don't want to be on a "3-year plan" like we have been on for the past..???? well since 1999.
Carson Palmer wanted TO, and they got him TO.
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Which leads you to wonder... is there really a right way?? We have all looked at things that have been done since 1999, and have thought.. "Looks Good," then seen it all get flushed down the crapper. Without seeing people work with your team and your team chemistry, no one knows. Couch, Winslow, Edwards, JJ, Wimbley, Frye, Anderson, Quinn, Butch Davis, Romeo, Phil, all seemed like moves that would make the Franchise better, but here we are.. still waiting.....
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T.O. late to camp The "T.O. Show" will not air at its regularly scheduled time on Thursday. Terrell Owens missed his overnight flight to Cincinnati, forcing the team to reschedule an introductory press conference that was scheduled late Thursday morning. Owens caught a later flight Thursday and the Bengals will break out the popcorn for T.O. after their evening practice. It's uncertain if Owens will practice tonight or step on the field tomorrow. The rest of the Bengals, including Antonio Bryant, hit the field Thursday morning. We'll update you shortly on what Owens had for his in-flight meal.
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And it starts already....... 
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Bryant is a true #1, something we lack as of right now.
Bryant is old, has been a team-chemistry issue, and has NOT been a #1 WR except for 1 season in his 7 year career.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BryaAn00.htm
Bryant really wasn't ever viewed as a true #1. That doesn't mean he wasn't viewed as a great talent, but he's not elite. That knee is worrisome and as you noted he isn't getting younger, and truth be told he isn't the kind of burner who has a step to lose.
Here's what I'm really wondering:
TO "Team Obliterator"
Ocho Moutho
Matt "Cocaine Credit Card" Jones
Tank Johnson
Antonio "Towells and Tickets" Bryant
Ray Maualuga
Frostee Rucker
How many bad character guys can one team have and still win a championship?
These aren't "tough guy bad" players like the Raiders of old. These are selfish guys with track records of horrid behavior.
The Bengals will win games, but they won't win a championship.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Bryant is a true #1, something we lack as of right now.
Bryant is old, has been a team-chemistry issue, and has NOT been a #1 WR except for 1 season in his 7 year career.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BryaAn00.htm
Bryant really wasn't ever viewed as a true #1. That doesn't mean he wasn't viewed as a great talent, but he's not elite. That knee is worrisome and as you noted he isn't getting younger, and truth be told he isn't the kind of burner who has a step to lose.
Here's what I'm really wondering:
TO "Team Obliterator"
Ocho Moutho
Matt "Cocaine Credit Card" Jones
Tank Johnson
Antonio "Towells and Tickets" Bryant
Ray Maualuga
Frostee Rucker
How many bad character guys can one team have and still win a championship?
These aren't "tough guy bad" players like the Raiders of old. These are selfish guys with track records of horrid behavior.
The Bengals will win games, but they won't win a championship.
Well, at least one more, Didn't they also sign Pacman?
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don't forget Mr. Benson. he even spent another night in a jail cell this offseason.
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don't forget Mr. Benson. he even spent another night in a jail cell this offseason.
True enough.. and the really funny thing is, if Palmer (and I don't wish this on him) should get injured, they aren't even going to win a lot of games.....
I guess we'll see if it works, but I wouldn't want those guys on my team.. well, maybe Antonio Bryant,, I actully thought it was pretty good for us...
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Haha it's HILARIOUS that he missed his flight to cincy. It's almost a sign from the gods.
Don't forget that they also signed Pacman this offseason. I really think Mike Brown is the WORST owner in the league. He continues to ruin that franchise. But at least Hard Knocks should be fun to watch!
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Maybe Cincy should sign Vince Young for a backup.. after his video fighting the Dallas Cops in the jailhouse.. I'm sure Mike Brown is saying.. "We gotta get this guy... "
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I wonder if he's salivating over Haynesworth
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I don't know, but I'm betting he's gonna sign Jamarcus Russell...LOL
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I really think Mike Brown is the WORST owner in the league. He continues to ruin that franchise
Where did they finish in the division last year?
How many games did "good guys" Jason Trusnik, David Bowens, and Abe Elam win for us last year?
Our best defensive player outside Eric Wright once Rogers went down was jackhole Matt Roth.
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I wonder if he's salivating over Haynesworth
I don't know, but I'm betting he's gonna sign Jamarcus Russell...LOL
he would sign him just so that he and Andre Smith can team up to make the most unstoppable competitive eating duo in history.
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I really think Mike Brown is the WORST owner in the league. He continues to ruin that franchise
Where did they finish in the division last year?
How many games did "good guys" Jason Trusnik, David Bowens, and Abe Elam win for us last year?
Our best defensive player outside Eric Wright once Rogers went down was jackhole Matt Roth.
I think you missed the point., hey,, why is Matt Roth a Jackhole?
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I agree... I missed the point. They seem to be winning (certainly a heck of a lot more than us) so I don't see how he's ruining the franchise. I thought people were saying he was ruining it by bringing in idiots/"low-character" guys. I wouldn't want to hang out with a lot of the guys on the team, but if they're winning games, how can we say negative things about the team?
Matt Roth is the guy who was kicked off his team for pulling a Bosh, and then was threatening to hold out and asked for a trade because he was good for five weeks. I'm glad he's on the team since he improves our defense, but he kind of seems like a jerk.
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This is just my personal opinion, so truthfully I'm probably wrong. But I feel that you can NEVER win a championship with bums. Sure, you may win a few battles, but you'll very rarely win the war. If you look back into history, very few championship teams have won it with a large amount of (if any) "bums".
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I agree... I missed the point. They seem to be winning (certainly a heck of a lot more than us) so I don't see how he's ruining the franchise. I thought people were saying he was ruining it by bringing in idiots/"low-character" guys. I wouldn't want to hang out with a lot of the guys on the team, but if they're winning games, how can we say negative things about the team?
Matt Roth is the guy who was kicked off his team for pulling a Bosh, and then was threatening to hold out and asked for a trade because he was good for five weeks. I'm glad he's on the team since he improves our defense, but he kind of seems like a jerk.
Yeah you are missing the point somewhat., but I do get what your saying. I just believe that the season isn't about 1 game or 10,, it's about getting to the Superbowl and winning.. it's a marathon and during a marathon, negative things happen,, that's when character counts.
JMO..
As for roth, I didn't like the things he did before signing here, but I get it, it's gamesmenship.. can't say what happened in Miami.. Never really did understand it.
What I know is this, he came in here with a chip on his shoulder,, played well and helped down the stretch.. without a long term contract, my guess is he'll still have that chip on his shoulder.... at least I sure as hell hope so 
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What I know is this, he came in here with a chip on his shoulder,, played well and helped down the stretch.. without a long term contract, my guess is he'll still have that chip on his shoulder.... at least I sure as hell hope so
I agree. But what happens when he gets that long term contract? He definitely seems like a candidate to drop-off his play.
but that is a worry for next season i suppose
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I just believe that the season isn't about 1 game or 10,, it's about getting to the Superbowl and winning.. it's a marathon and during a marathon, negative things happen,, that's when character counts.
You and D4L have a good point. You'll have to forgive me if I forget that winnig a championship is the ultimate goal, since in my 80 or so cleveland professional sports seasons I've never seen one. And you're right about stepping up when the negative things happen... see our three favorite basketball players' performances in/near playoff time.
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I just believe that the season isn't about 1 game or 10,, it's about getting to the Superbowl and winning.. it's a marathon and during a marathon, negative things happen,, that's when character counts.
You and D4L have a good point. You'll have to forgive me if I forget that winnig a championship is the ultimate goal, since in my 80 or so cleveland professional sports seasons I've never seen one. And you're right about stepping up when the negative things happen... see our three favorite basketball players' performances in/near playoff time.
In the last 80 years, you have witnessed a number of league championships by the Browns, 4 world series appearences by the Tribe (1 series win) and a few very nice Cavs runs...
or are you looking at each year as 3 seasons, one for each major sports team? making you more like 27?
I'm guessing the latter right?
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haha good point. we aren't USED TO thinking in terms of the BIG PICTURE with the browns, because at times it seems so unattainable.
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I agree, Damanshot. Here it is and already he muffs up. Our first black eye for the Bungles. Somebody order some extra baggage? I think Lewis got overridden and Mikey rides again. This guy is a two-legged bomb waiting to go off in the clubhouse IMO, and a little poison in your waterhole goes a long way. Hope he has a lousy year if he gets around to football at some point. But, hey, he is a busy guy.  
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A good chunk of the local news sports segment was given to T.O. last night. Him and Oso chumming it up, T.O. pretending to do some stretching, T.O. catching a ball and running five feet, T.O. talking about how he wanted to go to a contender and he thinks he will make the Bengals just that, and more blah, blah, blah.
Going to be a LONG football season around here. Bengals fans are already seeing trophies in their little heads.
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...Can you imagine if the Bungles start the season 2-4? That locker room will completely implode.
This is it for me.
They certainly have a ton of talent on paper and that unit, in particular, looks pretty damn good - if everyone plays at the top of their ability. You figure in some key drops, a bad start, someone's ego getting bruised (a virtual certainty) etc., and we will really see what the downside of this signing is.
Working with a roster filled with rich kids who've been catered to from their late teens through young adulthood is very difficult. But working with these super egos who refer to themselves only in the 3rd person, borders on impossible.
BUT... if they roll and have a good start thus avoiding a challenging locker-room environment, we will be in trouble.
I've said the same thing about Tomlin. Sure, he can preside over a great team that was built for him, but lets see how he does with a team that has a few struggles.
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I worry more about their D... good corners, and IIRC their linebackers are solid.
To be honest, I'd prefer the Bengals win the division than Balt. or the Steelers.
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In the last 80 years, you have witnessed a number of league championships by the Browns, 4 world series appearences by the Tribe (1 series win) and a few very nice Cavs runs...
or are you looking at each year as 3 seasons, one for each major sports team? making you more like 27?
I'm guessing the latter right?
Yeah, definitely the latter. I'm 28, and I didn't count the 1994 baseball season or the 96-98 football seasons and roughed it around 80. 
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I have been watching the Cleveland teams for years and I'm in my mid-40s. We have not won SQUAT in my lifetime and I would like to atleast see one before I go to my grave. So when all these people talk about these so-called problem members of the Bengals, I laugh because in the last 3 years, the Bengals have improved, we have not!
Look at this year, the Bengals are bringing in talent where they have problem, the Browns have not. The Bengals have a legit shot at the playoffs with the team they have one paper( I KNOW THAT PAPER DOES NOT COUNT UNTIL YOU PLAY THE GAMES), the Browns will be lucky to get to .500. So all of this quality person talk is crap when everyone else in our Division is ramping up and we are still stuck in neutral with the "good people" team!!!
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I have been watching the Cleveland teams for years and I'm in my mid-40s. We have not won SQUAT in my lifetime and I would like to atleast see one before I go to my grave. So when all these people talk about these so-called problem members of the Bengals, I laugh because in the last 3 years, the Bengals have improved, we have not!
Look at this year, the Bengals are bringing in talent where they have problem, the Browns have not. The Bengals have a legit shot at the playoffs with the team they have one paper( I KNOW THAT PAPER DOES NOT COUNT UNTIL YOU PLAY THE GAMES), the Browns will be lucky to get to .500. So all of this quality person talk is crap when everyone else in our Division is ramping up and we are still stuck in neutral with the "good people" team!!!
Well, to each his own I guess.. In the end, the Bengals could win it all.. who really knows.
At the end of the day, I think character wins out in the long run. Talent has to be there, but talent without character means you end up with the TO's, the Pacmans.. Maybe you win some games, maybe you win most games. But you won't build a team with the possibility of being a winner every year..
Without character, you better hope everything goes perfectly,, any sign of adversity,, and the whole thing could come tumbling down...
If you owned the team and it was your money, would you risk it on guys that may win you a championship but haven't done that anywhere else when for sure each of them have caused locker room and on field/off field chaos and termoil?
Would you?
It's probably just me, but I'll stick with an argument that can be boiled down to some known facts,,, These guys have a history of causing trouble and dividing a team causing chaos and turmoil.
In the last what, 10+ years,, the Bengals have consistently taken in players, either via the draft or free agency, that have had documented issues on and off the field. They have had a couple of good years,,
Since 1999, they are 70-89-1
The Browns since 1999 are 55-105-0
15 games seperate the two teams,, 15, that's it. And the Bengals weren't an expansion team in 1999 as the Browns were. THey didn't have to completely start from the word go and build from a blank page.
15 games isn't much of a difference. I just can't believe that Bengals low character players have actually made any serious impact on the overall record of the bengals.. So, I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think your argument holds any water..
All of the above is JMO,,, no guarantees I'm right, but it's what I believe..... Based on the facts I have before me today.
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I have been watching the Cleveland teams for years and I'm in my mid-40s. We have not won SQUAT in my lifetime and I would like to atleast see one before I go to my grave. So when all these people talk about these so-called problem members of the Bengals, I laugh because in the last 3 years, the Bengals have improved, we have not!
Look at this year, the Bengals are bringing in talent where they have problem, the Browns have not. The Bengals have a legit shot at the playoffs with the team they have one paper( I KNOW THAT PAPER DOES NOT COUNT UNTIL YOU PLAY THE GAMES), the Browns will be lucky to get to .500. So all of this quality person talk is crap when everyone else in our Division is ramping up and we are still stuck in neutral with the "good people" team!!!
That's why I hate the Bengals. Mike Brown gets close to building something really special, then he gets in a hurry and sends in the clowns. He isn't interested in a perennial contender, he wants that quick fix. He's not his father, not by a long shot. Paul Brown used plenty of super stars but he also kept the cupboard full of solid players across the roster.
I'll be pleased with Cleveland hitting .500 this year because that means they're doing some things right. That's why I love to hate Pittsburgh so much, they're doing it right for the most part. Same with Baltimore. Cincy? Who knows? Brown is a high risk/reward kind of gambler.
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Damon,
On every team that has ever played/won or whatever in between, there have been some good character players and some bad character players. Yes, you need more of the good than the bad but one thing about it, the bad character players need to be held in check by the good ones( and coaches) and they must be able to play, period!!
Would I pick guys with questionable character but can are good talents = base them on a individual basis to see which ones you keep or not sign.
Ocho - just mouth, never has been a problem.
T.O - Sign but put a clause in the contract that if he causes a problem, I will cut him and ship him out. Plus he knows this is his LAST CHANCE( remember, he did not cause a problem in BUF)
Pacman - NOPE!
Matt Jones - Yes, with another caveat on his attitude or drug problems with testing, does not hurt to bring him in for a look. Another last stop!
Tank Johnson has been a steal because he has not caused any problems in the two years he has been with cincy.
A.Bryant - lets see what happens in camp. If he does not look good.. c-ya.
Maluga - has seen the field more than our draft pick!
SO where is the down side??
In that last 3 years the Bengals are 21`-26-1 and rising... the Browns are 19-29.. if I added another 2 years it goes to Bengals 40-39-1 ... Browns 29-51. And when this season finishes, they have the potential to have a better record than the browns again!!!
SO since we are talcing about facts.. yes, since 99 it is close but in the last 5 years, its not... just the facts!!
So we will see who they keep, who they let go and where they stand vs where the Browns will stand.
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The Bengals have not had back to back winning seasons since the 70s.
They are still going to have to show that they can handle, and build on, prosperity before I pick them to win a division title in back to back years. History is simply not on their side.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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History is definitely not on their side, but the quality of their Defense is. That plus some new offensive weapons and a generally weak*** division, they will probably come out on top.
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Steelers are taking hits left & right, and the camp hasn't even started.
Ravens defense was their whole basis for success, and they likely won't have a secondary, and perhaps not even a healthy Ed Reed.
I think that we're on our way up while Pitt & Balt are on their way down, but we're just not there, yet.
Cinci is peaking right now, and I get the definite feeling that this is Marvin Lewis' All-or-Nothing season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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