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But, we never even did that before!
We're World beaters now.
When Jamal Lewis had his single day rushing record, who was it against? Answer, one of the worst run defenses in the league.
I love how anything this team does positive, someone comes along and tries to make it sound like nothing.
#1 rushing teams always pad their numbers against weak defenses. Look what the Vikings did in the second half against us. Funny, I don't hear anybody discrediting AP's second half performance.
If Harrison was on any other team than the Browns, and acheived what he did in those final games, the same people discrediting his performance would be begging to have a back like him.
I love the Browns, and I love the fans, but I have never seen any fans for any team try to negate a great performance like fans here do.
Did Jamal Lewis have a crappy line in Baltimore? No. He had good blocking at the line and downfield. But because Harrison had the same thing, and is on the Browns, it was not him, it was the blocking.
I have seen back after back being heralded as a top runner, putting up numbers against poor defenses. They all do it. Why when our guys do it is it poo pooed? 
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Here we go again. We ran against the bottom teams against the run. They sucked.
But, we never even did that before!
We're World beaters now. 
Truth be told, how many times in the last ten years did we run on teams that could be run on?
So, while it's no big deal in the grand scheme of things, Having run on teams that aren't good run stoppers is an upgrade.. you gotta go through that phase before you get to the next step....
So that's why I'm annoyed by comments that it means nothing because the teams we ran on weren't good run stopping teams..
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But Muhammed as he relates to Delhomme didn't get to Carolina until he was 35, well on the downside of his career. Its not like he spent his prime years there.
Ok. You got me there. 
No, he doesn't have you there.
Delhomme and Muhammad played together in Carolina when Muhammad was 30 years old (in 2003) and he caught 54 passes. Stephen Davis and Deshaun Foster caught 40 passes combined out of the backfield. FB Nick Goings caught another 12 and wideout Ricky Proehl caught 27, while S Smith caught 88.
They had weapons and won the NFC.
In 2004, when Muhammad was 31 years old he caught 93 passes from Delhomme. (his 2nd best career year in receptions and first in rec yards)Backs caught over 70 passes out of the backfield and Proehl had 34 receptions and Keary Colbert had 47. And Smith had 103.......
In 2005, Muhammad went to Chicago......then came back to Carolina in 2008 when he was 35 years old.....blah blah blah, blah blah blah.......
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Anyway I would love to have a young Muhammed on our team. I wonder what it would take to pry Vincent Jackson away from the Chargers. I wouldn't have that sick feeling to my stomach when I look at our WR corps.
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But Muhammed as he relates to Delhomme didn't get to Carolina until he was 35, well on the downside of his career. Its not like he spent his prime years there.
Ok. You got me there.
No, he doesn't have you there.
Delhomme and Muhammad played together in Carolina when Muhammad was 30 years old (in 2003) and he caught 54 passes. Stephen Davis and Deshaun Foster caught 40 passes combined out of the backfield. FB Nick Goings caught another 12 and wideout Ricky Proehl caught 27, while S Smith caught 88.
They had weapons and won the NFC.
In 2004, when Muhammad was 31 years old he caught 93 passes from Delhomme. (his 2nd best career year in receptions and first in rec yards)Backs caught over 70 passes out of the backfield and Proehl had 34 receptions and Keary Colbert had 47. And Smith had 103.......
In 2005, Muhammad went to Chicago......then came back to Carolina in 2008 when he was 35 years old.....blah blah blah, blah blah blah.......
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Anyway I would love to have a young Muhammed on our team. I wonder what it would take to pry Vincent Jackson away from the Chargers. I wouldn't have that sick feeling to my stomach when I look at our WR corps.
My mistake, obviously. Can't say I've ever paid any sort of attention to the Panthers.
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I wonder what it would take to pry Vincent Jackson away from the Chargers. I wouldn't have that sick feeling to my stomach when I look at our WR corps.
Well, he wouldn't do a thing about your upset tummy for the 1st 3 weeks, because he's been suspended for 3 weeks for violating the Personal Conduct policy.
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Here we go again we ran against the bottom teams against the run.
Well it is August, almost September and Nobody has done anything in the regular season this year yet. Every year several teams that were good become bad and vice versa. I don't care to know where Tampa Bay was against the run last year, all I know is one thing.
If the Browns run for 300 yards against Tampa Bay in their Home opener then the Buc's will be one of the bottom teams against the run After they play the game.
If the Browns destroy the Bucs in week 1 it will be a step toward gaining the respect around the league that the Browns need.
Would it kill this team to play well early in the year for once and do something remarkable Before they are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs?
Tampa Bay may turn out to be a sub 500 football team, and if you played them in late October rather than on opening day it may seem like a more predictable game. If your team beats them on opening day when everyone in the league still has unlimited possibilities, It will have proven more.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Here we go again we ran against the bottom teams against the run.
UGH,, what part of progress don't you and shep get..
You crawl before you walk, you run on bad teams before you run on good teams.
Seems to me that all anyone wanted to see out of the browns last year was progress.. well, it took until the end of the season to see anything positive, and all anyone wants to do is belittle it..
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I know that sarcasm is hard to detect but I thought 3 would give it away.
It gave it away to me because I know that you knew better; but you didn't provide any further clarification as to the truth of the matter.....so I expounded on it. 
Daman- I'm not "beating up" on your comments because they are yours, I mock them because it is ludicrous to write that 2 backs would get 2000 yards each. (and others would have even more you wrote!) *LMAO*
Additionally, if we had played those 4 teams at the beginning of the year as opposed to the end, would it have still been "progress" or would it have been regression that we did it at the beginning and not the end? Not that it matters where it came, beginning, middle, end.....all the same. Teams with less talent lose the majority of the time............and QBs who get old and start that downhill slide don't usually last long. These are facts, not conjecture.
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Daman- I'm not "beating up" on your comments because they are yours, I mock them because it is ludicrous to write that 2 backs would get 2000 yards each. (and others would have even more you wrote!) *LMAO*
I"m going to respond to this comment in PM as I don't wish to derail this thread... But that simple fact is, you didn't read what I actually said,, twice...
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UGH,, what part of progress don't you and shep get..
You crawl before you walk, you run on bad teams before you run on good teams.
Seems to me that all anyone wanted to see out of the browns last year was progress.. well, it took until the end of the season to see anything positive, and all anyone wants to do is belittle it..
It is true we ran all over some teams with poor run defenses. That's what should happen, and for once we accomplished what we should. In the past we did not run all over teams with poor run defenses. So this is progress.
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UGH,, what part of progress don't you and shep get..
You crawl before you walk, you run on bad teams before you run on good teams.
Seems to me that all anyone wanted to see out of the browns last year was progress.. well, it took until the end of the season to see anything positive, and all anyone wants to do is belittle it..
It is true we ran all over some teams with poor run defenses. That's what should happen, and for once we accomplished what we should. In the past we did not run all over teams with poor run defenses. So this is progress.
That was my point,, you gotta start the upward spiral somewhere.. maybe it starts with running against bad teams,, next step, running against teams that we aren't supposed to be able to run on and soon, we get the reputation of being a running team and people stack up to stop our run and BOOM,,, passing kicks in 
It absolutly kills me that if you go back to last off season, not many of us really expected a winning record,, most wanted to see progress.., well, we got progress (albiet at the end of the season) and now Progress wasn't good enough.... 
Some folks will complain when we win a superbowl if we didn't do it thier way or the way they think is better....
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Some folks will complain when we win a superbowl if we didn't do it thier way or the way they think is better....
Such is the way of Football in Ohio. Been like that since I can remember.
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Such is the way of Football in Ohio. Been like that since I can remember.
Yeah, I know,, But it still bugs me.. I guess it's true,, you can't please everyone.. 
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Some folks will complain when we win a superbowl if we didn't do it thier way or the way they think is better....
That's another ludicrous comment.....
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I know it sounds horrible of me, but I really hope Wallace beats Delhomme out.
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Cause I think he can be better than Jake.
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Truth be told, how many times in the last ten years did we run on teams that could be run on?
So, while it's no big deal in the grand scheme of things, Having run on teams that aren't good run stoppers is an upgrade.. you gotta go through that phase before you get to the next step....
So that's why I'm annoyed by comments that it means nothing because the teams we ran on weren't good run stopping teams..
The first line I wrote is exactly what you are saying. We never had any success running other than Droughns and Lewis and we couldn't keep that going consistently. So yeah, it is progress that we ran 3 good games in a row even if it was vs. bad rushing defenses.
I've often defended Harrison's recording breaking day vs. the Chiefs. Sure, the Chiefs were the worst rush defense. But then again, a lot of teams much better than the Browns rushed against rush defenses worse than the Chiefs for many years, but they didn't do it. We did! Our OL and our RB. No one else put up those kinds of numbers vs. anyone else but twice in the history of the NFL. So yeah, it was a big accomplishment.
So yes Damon, I see your point and actually made it in my first sentence.
Now, my second sentence was toward those who think we will take off where we left off. Teams don't run like that consistently. I do think we have what we need for a good, consistent running game. But 561 yards in three games-type of consistent? Hardly. Harrison was on pace to rush for 2992 yards had the season not run out of games. Ain't gonna happen. No how. No way.
Folks must temper their enthusiasm. He did great. The OL did great. But we're not the World beaters some expect. We did good and showed some real progress. Not necessarily of the fluke-type either. But lets get real. You, jokingly I hope, mentioned not one, but TWO 2000 yard rushers. I've met you. You're a fun and funny guy with a great sense of humor. I'm figuring you were using it when you said that.
All in all it looks like we have the makings of a good running game. It's progressed to that. No rushing touchdowns for what, 11 or 12 games? Tough place to start from. However, we came together in the end and surprised everyone. Let's hope some success can follow. How many years now have we had a 1000 yard rusher out of the last 23? Three times if I'm not mistaken. It's just not that easy.
I have great hopes for our running game in 2010, but not high expectations. We're not World beaters. If we become that I'll gladly eat my crow. Raw. With no salt.
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So yes Damon, I see your point and actually made it in my first sentence.
Yes,, I caught that... just didn't acknowledge as perhaps I should have...
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Cause I think he can be better than Jake.
Gotcha,,, but I gather you'd be ok with it if Jake succeeded right?
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Some folks will complain when we win a superbowl if we didn't do it thier way or the way they think is better....
That's another ludicrous comment.....
No so much Shep,, you are one of the guys I had in mind when I said that..  And I believe it with all my heart....
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Daman, I don't know that people will actually complain.. but I can see this comment a few days after winning the super bowl.. "We got lucky, they were so much better than us.. if not for this break and that injury, no way do we win that game.. we didn't deserve it. If the Cowboys had won the NFC championship game instead of the Bears there is no way we win the super bowl because we don't have a good enough pass rush to beat the Cowboys... I doubt if we'll be over .500 next year." Oh yea, I can see that comment or something eerily similar to it.
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Daman, I don't know that people will actually complain.. but I can see this comment a few days after winning the super bowl.. "We got lucky, they were so much better than us.. if not for this break and that injury, no way do we win that game.. we didn't deserve it. If the Cowboys had won the NFC championship game instead of the Bears there is no way we win the super bowl because we don't have a good enough pass rush to beat the Cowboys... I doubt if we'll be over .500 next year." Oh yea, I can see that comment or something eerily similar to it.
Ha, I can definitely see that. Or "if it wasn't for Josh Cribbs giving us great field position the whole game" or something like that, as if field position isn't an integral part to any team's success.
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Daman, I don't know that people will actually complain.. but I can see this comment a few days after winning the super bowl.. "We got lucky, they were so much better than us.. if not for this break and that injury, no way do we win that game.. we didn't deserve it. If the Cowboys had won the NFC championship game instead of the Bears there is no way we win the super bowl because we don't have a good enough pass rush to beat the Cowboys... I doubt if we'll be over .500 next year." Oh yea, I can see that comment or something eerily similar to it.
Probably,, that could be,, The point is, there are people out there that if you hand them a bar of gold, they wonder why you didn't get them two,,,,
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Cause I think he can be better than Jake.
I agree with this overall, I think the change in scenery has been beneficial for both Delhomme and Wallace. Seneca seems to be playing with a real sense of confidence, that's the vibe I get from what I've been reading. I think he wants to be the starter of this team and is doing his best to be noticed by the coaches because there's a solid possibility he will get a chance to be the starter this season.
I realize there's a large chunk of this thread talking about fan negativity, so I'm going to go down that road, how many of us truly expect Jake Delhomme to have a quality consistent season? I do. I also think there's just as good a chance for Jake to tank his season and for Wallace to get that shot.
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I agree with this overall, I think the change in scenery has been beneficial for both Delhomme and Wallace. Seneca seems to be playing with a real sense of confidence, that's the vibe I get from what I've been reading. I think he wants to be the starter of this team and is doing his best to be noticed by the coaches because there's a solid possibility he will get a chance to be the starter this season.
I realize there's a large chunk of this thread talking about fan negativity, so I'm going to go down that road, how many of us truly expect Jake Delhomme to have a quality consistent season? I do. I also think there's just as good a chance for Jake to tank his season and for Wallace to get that shot.
I really think that all of this is being analysed to death..
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Not many see Delhomme as a slam-dunk. He could have a comeback year, he could be truly awful. If he is, then Wallace will get his shot.
It's not a big deal, but I read something last night somewhere about Delhomme not looking that great in practice this week during 11-on-11s. can't remember where maybe it was the Mangini press conference transcript?
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That's just how I roll, I like to look a little deeper into things some time. Come on Daman, you can't sit there and tell me you don't think that Seneca will get SOME playing time this season? Even one or two starts? I will be surprised (and proud) if Jake starts every game next season.
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That's just how I roll, I like to look a little deeper into things some time. Come on Daman, you can't sit there and tell me you don't think that Seneca will get SOME playing time this season? Even one or two starts? I will be surprised (and proud) if Jake starts every game next season.
LOL I have no idea and me guessing isn't going to make it so.. what happens happens..
Now, ask me what I want to happen,, that's different
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I wish Jake nothing but the best of course. With that said, everything I've read from camp is resembling the Jake we've seen from the past 2 years and not "Super" Jake that this article and a few on the boards are hoping for.
In the end it doesn't really matter. JD and Wallace were brought in to take the lumps while McCoy (or another new kid we take next year) is groomed to be the long term solution. We aren't likely a team finishing above .500 so this year is a developmental year anyway.
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OK, OK! So, Damanshot, what do YOU want to happen? I hope it involves the playoffs which would be a stunning surprise and delight me sweet self no end.
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Ya know, I read a lot of stuff on the Browns.. and I gotta say, I've not seen anything that says he's resembling the Jake from the past two years... So I have no idea what your reading.. What did I miss
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OK, OK! So, Damanshot, what do YOU want to happen? I hope it involves the playoffs which would be a stunning surprise and delight me sweet self no end.
it's simple
I Want a QB (any QB) to step up and play well
I want a RB (any RB) to step up and play well
I want a CB (any CB) to step up and play well
You get the drift...I don't care about the name on the jersey,, I want whoever is on the field to produce.. I want them to do thier jobs...
If they do, if all that happens, the season will take care of itself.. we'll be very happy with the result..
that's what I want to happen....
Can I get an AMEN
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The nearly every day article about him throwing multiple INTs the day before...lol.
Jake is always going to be a great leader and he is always going to be prepared.......great professional. His problem the last two years have been the turnovers, and in camp (if reports are accurate) he has been more of the same in that regard.
Like I said it doesn't matter really, because this isn't a team that has a realistic playoff shot. However, next year (when we should be ready to make a playoff run) we simply can't afford to have a QB turning the ball over at the rate he presently does.
The good news however is I don't expect Jake to finish the year as the starter if he's a TO machine........so he won't be starting next year anyway. The bad news is we have no idea who will be the QB next year and this team (minus the QB spot) should be ready to shine.
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I remember exactly 2 days out of all of the OTAs and training camp sessions where he's has bad INT days.
Maybe I'm just missing something ...... but it seems like when one of those days happens it gets written about for 2 weeks, making it seem like it is happening a lot more often than it is.
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The nearly every day article about him throwing multiple INTs the day before...lol.
Which site have those been posted on?... because they haven't been here.
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The nearly every day article about him throwing multiple INTs the day before...lol.
There has been one day that I remember seeing remarks like that, and 4 others where there was no mention of multiple INT's,, Not even close to every day.. Just saying..,
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he threw 5 in two days this week. I have no idea how bad the picks were.
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he threw 5 in two days this week. I have no idea how bad the picks were.
But not everyday, Right? 5 in 6 days of practice.. is that bad for the first week of camp?
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There is an interesting quote from Delhomme near the end of the piece, regarding our corners. From the main site: Quote:
By Matt Florjancic, ClevelandBrowns.com Staff Writer
Posted 14 hours ago
In the NFL, it is all about finding a comfort zone and familiarity with teammates and in front of 22,311 fans at Cleveland Browns Stadium, quarterback Jake Delhomme and tight end Ben Watson started to find that comfort level with each other in the team’s annual Brown and White Scrimmage.
Watson and Delhomme connected on several occasions Saturday afternoon and were a big reason why the Brown team earned a 14-6 win over the White.
With 8:10 left in the fourth quarter and Delhomme’s Brown team already leading 7-3, he lofted a pass to Watson in the left back corner of the end zone. Watson controlled the ball and tucked it away as he got his right foot down and dragged the other for a touchdown.
“I knew I had it. I knew I was already in,” Watson said with a confident smile after the scrimmage. “I know a lot of times, the defense tries to jam on our release and I think I got off the release pretty good. It’s all about getting a good release and I was able to get to the corner. I’m not sure if they were in tow or not, but he made a great throw.”
“He’s very athletic,” said Delhomme. “I have a good tight end group in my opinion. Robert Royal’s the consummate pro, very intelligent in blocking and the pass game, but the other two guys get around. They’re difference makers. They’re talented. Anytime you have good players, it helps.”
Having Watson and other playmakers surrounding him in the huddle helped Delhomme enjoy the challenge of playing against the Browns’ top defensive unit.
“I’ll be honest with you, those two corners we have, I think, are outstanding,” he said. “Sheldon Brown was very underrated in Philadelphia, but Eric Wright, he can make play after play and I try to challenge them a little bit because that’s making me better. It has to be a tight window. They’re pretty darn good.”
Unlike this week, next Saturday evening, the orange jerseys donned by the quarterbacks will come off and the live-tackling will begin with the first preseason game at the Packers and famed Lambeau Field.
“It’s one thing to practice, but we all know it’s about the games,” said Watson. “It’s going to be exciting to be able to go against somebody else and work in a real game, tackle-to-the-ground, hit-people type of mentality and atmosphere. We’ve got a week for that and some things to iron out.”
“Honestly, you need to get hit,” Delhomme said. “You don’t like quarterbacks saying that, but you need to get hit. You need to have that feel; you need to have that pass-rush. You need to be blitzed because we’re not live in practice. You have to have that. That has to get you sharp.”
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