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Isn't it a must to keep at least five WR's. Most teams use a lot of four WR sets these days and some use quite a bit of five WR's.
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Mangini press conf. transcript - 8/2 (Opening statement)- “Good morning everybody. I thought that practice this morning was okay. I thought it was better defensively than it was offensively. I think that late in the practice there offensively, we did a couple of things that were easy mistakes, concentration errors that really shouldn’t happen. Those are the things that we are constantly working on to avoid those self-inflicted wounds. Today what we are focusing on, there was some level of install, but not what it has been through the first three practices and most of what today was review of what we have installed. Following the same pattern that we have talked about in the past with Wednesday, Thursday, Friday-type progression with a review day at the end. This afternoon, we will start over into the next cycle of first and second down like a Wednesday would be.” (On what he expects from Bobby Engram)- “I’m just getting to know him and the things I do know about him are that he’s very accomplished, very experienced. I think that always helps to have that, especially in a room of young guys like we have. Someone to bounce questions off of, to just learn things through experience. Similar to what David Patten was last training camp.” (On Engram can keep up with the young receivers at age 37)- “It’s really early, but he has been running with the young kids pretty well. I haven’t noticed him not being able to hold up. Thirty-seven is young.” (On Brian Robiskie’s progression)- “It just happens at different times for different people. You wish there was one thing you could always do with a rookie and say, ‘Okay, if we follow this pattern right here, this rookie will develop in this progression.’ It’s not like that. Sometimes it takes guys a year to really get a sense of the system, get a sense of the league, get a sense of requirements, all those things. The next year, when they do feel a lot more comfortable, now they are just playing as opposed to trying to figure things out. Sometimes it happens quicker and in some cases, it could be a third year before a guy starts to take off.” (On having both Peyton Hillis and Lawrence Vickers in the backfield at the same time)- “It’s good size and Peyton has played quite a bit at fullback. He did for the Broncos and he played at tailback there and that’s one of the things that I really liked about him when we were talking about bringing him in is his ability to play both of those spots. Now, you do have two big backs in the backfield working together and I think that’s a nice combination.” (On not scoring a rushing touchdown until the 13th game last year and why it took so long)- “Then it was like a flood wasn’t it? The flood gates. That’s all it was, we needed to get that dam out of the way and they just flowed (joking). That’s a great question. We were working at it. Those touchdowns weren’t coming very easily for us offensively, whether it was throwing or running the ball. I think as guys got a better sense of working together, I think that always helps. I think that the receivers did a really nice job on the perimeter and those are often hidden yards. It was, I think, Chris Jennings that scored the first one. That was kind of a bounce-out, perimeter type run where he got the edge and I’m sure the receivers were involved in that. A lot of times with the running game, you get that flow going and I felt that at points we were running the ball effectively, we just weren’t getting in into the end zone, but we were running the ball effectively.” (On if they can pick up the running game where the left off last season)- “I don’t know if it’s a function of picking up where you left off. We did a lot of work on what we did well last season, the things that we want to continue to focus on, things that we are not going to focus on as much. Some of that too is also learning the personalities of the backs with Montario (Hardesty) and Peyton and figuring out which elements of the running game work best for them.” (On what attributed to the last-season success of the running game last year)- “I think it was the group. I think Jerome (Harrison) did a nice job, I think Lawrence really did a nice job, the tight ends blocked well and it wasn’t like we were tricking anybody and they were playing back to the pass and then coming up to play the run. They knew we were going to run, we knew we were going to run and we were still able to get them blocked up. That was a coordinated effort, all of those guys together.” (On Shawn Lauvao working with the first team)- “Tony (Pashos) not being in has opened up some opportunities. Shawn is going to work with the ones at different points anyways and we are going to have guys in different spots throughout the course of camp. I believe in that. I think it really helps later on because you do get into injury situations and you can only carry a certain amount of the guys to the game. There has to be versatility built in to what we do and a lot of that has to be built into it now. He will work some a t guard, some at center, both sides and he’s doing a good job with what we are asking him to do right now.” (On if he would have any hesitation starting two young players in Alex Mack and Lauvao)- “No, there wouldn’t be any hesitation. If he ends up winning that spot, I wouldn’t hesitate at all. I think Alex could help him along. It’s pretty fresh in his mind, some of the challenges that you face and I think he could be a real asset if that were the case.” (On Joel Reinders chances of making the roster)- “I like him. He’s really big, he’s athletic, he’s holding his own. He doesn’t have a lot of experience, so he’s fighting that a little bit. He gets a little bit better each practice and with his limited exposure to playing, hopefully with the additional coaching he gets and the continued coaching that he gets, we will see some nice jumps. Early, I have been really pleased with how he has done.” (On Chansi Stuckey)- “I’ve known Chansi for a long time. He’s very athletic, he has excellent short-area quickness, he’s good in and out of the breaks. He is savvy, he understands how the zones operate and where he needs to get open in the zones. I think that you saw some of what he can do last season. I know we got him a little bit later and I look forward to seeing him this season.” (On how having a full training camp with the team will help Stuckey)- “He had a pretty big transition with the trade. He was with one team, then with another team and had to learn everything that was going on. I think it will help him, although Chansi is a pretty diligent worker. I think he adds real value in the room in terms of the way he helps. Not that he’s some kind of old vet, but he does help the younger guys along.” (On Jason Trusnik’s roles expanding last year)- “That’s one of the things I like about him, is that his roles can expand. He can play inside linebacker. He can play outside linebacker. He’s done some good things on special teams, both in New York and here. He’s got good size. He’s got an excellent motor. He’s strong. I like all those things. He’s from Ohio.” (On if Lauvao’s ability to pick things up quickly has helped him)- “Yes, it’s really a prerequisite to coming here is to be able to do that because you are going to be asked to do a lot of different things. If he can build on that versatility where he can play center and guard, that improves his chances of going to the game that much more each week because one guy can really play three spots. He can play center and both guards and that’s what you’d like from an interior offensive lineman, if they weren’t starting, to have that flexibility.” (On the depth at the center position)- “Yes, we’ve got some different guys working there. Billy Yates is working there. Pat Murray, Shawn is working there. We’ve got quite a few guys working in those spots and one of them has to distinguish them self and show that they can do that. That will really help them in terms of making the team and then being on the 45.” (On strengthening the right side of the offensive line)- “I thought that the right side did some really good things last year. You’d love to be as balanced as possible when you feel like you can do the same things on both sides and defenses know that you can do the same thing on both sides. It is a problem, defensively because typically you can adjust based on one side or the other. There are strengths or weaknesses, how you want to attack it as a defense. If you have that balance it really allows you to do whatever you want.” (On if he needs to be more creative with his offensive packages so they can match with teams that have superstars)- “We’ve got Josh Cribbs. He classifies. He’s right up there. He’s a superstar in my book. I think what you are trying to do is even when you have maybe a player that has distinguished themselves or however you want to categorize it, you want to have balance because those guys are going to get coverage rolled over the top. Those guys are going to get taken over in different ways and you want to have balance and you don’t want to have to force the ball in one place all the time because that’s usually not the most productive way to move the ball. Then, they are ready to counter that. In any system that I’ve been in, where the guys may be classified as what you are talking about, it was still looking to be balanced and have the quarterback go through their progressions.” (On being creative with Seneca Wallace and Cribbs to mask other areas)- “I would look at any of the plays that we do, we use packages that we put together as things that we feel are going to help us be more effective, not to mask something. We don’t do that because we feel like we have a liability in one area. We do that because we feel like that’s going to be a strength that we can highlight.” (On the laps Alex Mack ran last year and where he is compared to last year)- “Zero laps? You probably black catted him, he’ll get one tonight (joking). That’s typical, especially at center. You are a rookie. You’re got to handle the snap count, you have to get the ball up every time. You have to help run the offense. It’s a lot to ask from a guy and I thought he did it really well last year, especially taking into account how young he was and I’ve talked to him quite a bit this offseason and even since he’s been back and his comfort level is so much better than it was. He knows what to expect. He knows the system and I think he’ll continue to improve because of that comfort level.” (On whether there are less laps being run this training camp)- “I think guys have stayed onsides more and kept the ball off the ground more and that’s a good thing. That’s a positive thing. Nobody’s looking to have anybody run laps unless it’s part of conditioning so that’s always a good thing.” (On Alex Mack learning the center position)- “I think it is really challenging and you have to understand, he’s dealing with both sides of the line. Most of the offensive linemen, they are taking care of their half of the line and he’s dealing with the big picture. He is also dealing with the quarterback. You are working with that group, making sure everybody is sound in terms of what their assignments are and the quarterback can come up, change the play completely and you have to go through that same progression. The snap count usually changes when the play changes so there’s a lot to remember and you have to be able to process quickly and Alex can. Nick Mangold could. It’s hard for those young guys to play early there.” (On Montario Hardesty’s injury)- “What I said the other day is where’s he at.” (On what leg Hardesty injured)- “The right.” (On Tony Pashos being back soon)- “He may be out there this afternoon. That’s what we are shooting for right now. That’s what I anticipate right now.” (On John St. Clair’s being on the bike today)- “I think he’ll back in. You saw David Veikune missed yesterday and he was back today. There’s a lot of that right now. We may get something where we need to have a practice to let something quiet down a little bit and then you can get back out there. There will be different times where guys will miss a practice and be back the next day. There’s more of that than the other situation.” (On if he was under the weather)- “He banged his arm.” (On tomorrow’s schedule)- “I’ll explain it later on. It’s something that we do that’s just part of our progression. After I talk to the players, I’ll explain it.” (On Kwaku Danso)- “He’s one of the hardest working guys I’ve been around. I’ll can tell you that, especially in the classroom. He has a lot of information that he has been able to absorb and understand. I think the thing that he has to keep getting better at is the reads within this system because he is a big man. There’s not going to be a lot of different blocking schemes that he is going to encounter in there at the nose position, but you have to be sharp in reaction to those. A guy like (Ahtyba) Rubin, I think, is excellent at reading blocks and this is new to Danso and that’s where his biggest challenge is going to be.” (On training camp being more player-friendly this year)- “Often times there’s a case where you get to know somebody and you need to understand why they do things and you get more comfortable in any relationship. I think things tend to run more smoothly. It’s been fun having a group of guys, I’ve known for awhile and we have those shared experiences and the new guys we brought in have all been great guys. We’re just all collectively trying to push forward.” Link
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Man, I can't wait until I can get to camp and see some football, lol. Thanks for the read... it's getting me stoked up 
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I'll be there on the 17th, evening practice. 
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Just think of how much better Alex Mack could be going into his 2nd year, I have thought about this a lot this off-season. With him and Joe T. alone, we have one bonifide stud and another in waiting. :
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ESPN starting their Browns negative hype machine up: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5431935Quote:
BEREA, Ohio -- In the house that Mike Holmgren is remodeling, Eric Mangini still has free reign.
A year ago, team owner Randy Lerner went against the wishes of some of his advisers and hired Mangini to run the Cleveland Browns. Lerner liked Mangini's energy, ideas and plan. He allowed Mangini the chance to shape the Browns in his image. Mangini cleaned out the locker room of players he didn't think fit. Big names such as Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow and others were replaced by players of Mangini's choosing.
But a 5-11 season damaged Mangini's credibility among fans, so Lerner hired new team president Holmgren, who was responsible for major rebuilding successes in Green Bay and Seattle. Though he struggles daily with whether he wants to coach again, Holmgren, respectful of bright, young coaches, had Mangini's back and kept him as the coach.
What's clear in visiting the Browns is that this is a Mangini-built team, manufactured by the type of smart, heady football players who grasp the coach's detailed concepts and ability to learn multiple positions. Mangini maneuvers players like chess pieces, hoping to outsmart his opponents.
What's also clear is if the team fails again this year, Mangini will have no excuses and probably no job.
Here are the main observations from camp.
1. The true test of the Mangini system is how the linebacking corps works out. Like Bill Belichick, Mangini is willing to sacrifice quality for quantity as long as the masses assembled are good, smart football players. Kamerion Wimbley was the 13th player selected in the 2006 draft, but in 2009 under Mangini he rarely showed flashes of his 11½-sack rookie season. Today, Wimbley is a Raider.
Mangini moved away from Andra Davis, a 2008 starter. Through two offseasons, Mangini has assembled the type of smart linebackers that fit his system -- Matt Roth, Scott Fujita, Chris Gocong, Eric Barton, Jason Trusnik, David Veikune, Marcus Benard and Kaluka Maiava. They are interchangeable parts in Mangini's different packages.
Inside linebackers line up on the outside on some plays. Outside linebackers line up on the inside at times. This linebacking corps could be the disciples of the "No-Name Defense" that defined the Miami Dolphins teams of the early 1970s.
The only surviving linebacker from the Romeo Crennel regime is inside linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, who might be the team's second-best defensive player behind nose tackle Shaun Rogers. As hard as it was to lose a close friend in Wimbley, Jackson loves what he sees from Mangini's mass of linebackers. He sits with them in meeting rooms and marvels at their attentiveness and how they carry the coach's concepts to the field. The concern from outside the organization is whether there is enough athleticism or playmaking ability from the position. As Jackson points out, this unit should be good against running teams, but this is a passing league, and there aren't many candidates who could put up double-digit sack totals.
2. By far, the cornerback position is the most improved on the team. It might be one of the most improved positions of any I've seen early on during this training camp tour. I remember the Browns' surprising 10-6 season and how thin they were at cornerback in 2007.
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Browns coach Eric Mangini (left) knows team president Mike Holmgren (right) is manning the controls.
Leigh Bodden was the starter, but Crennel had to rush rookies Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald into the No. 2 and No. 3 roles because there weren't other options. Since then, Wright and McDonald have started on pass defenses that ranked 26th and 29th, respectively, the past two years. The Browns not only traded for Pro Bowl alternate Sheldon Brown, but they made Joe Haden the seventh pick in the NFL draft.
Mangini now has the ability to match up against any four-receiver package in football. What was impressive in drills is how the Browns' corners can contest just about every pass. They looked particularly sharp in man coverage on plays in the end zone. Brown, Wright and Haden can succeed in press coverage, and McDonald does well in zones. The concern is whether the front seven can generate enough pass rush so these four corners aren't in coverage too long. As a former secondary coach, Mangini probably will take advantage of their coverage skills to blitz more, but if the blitzers don't get to the quarterback, the corners will be exposed.
3. Don't expect anything out of Colt McCoy, who has clearly replaced Brady Quinn as the fans' hope for the quarterback position. McCoy shows some flash for his leadership and willingness to step up and make crisp throws. Still, the former Texas star is not tall, he has passes batted down at the line of scrimmage and still is a little tentative because he's thinking through the plays instead of being instinctive. That's a typical rookie thing.
The plan is to sit McCoy this season. Holmgren brought in Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace to make the quarterback position stable, but their most important mission aside from winning is determining whether 2009 draft choices Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie are legitimate NFL starting receivers.
Blame it on the schemes or the throwing talent, but Quinn and Derek Anderson didn't get much out of the two second-round receivers from a year ago. Massaquoi caught 34 passes. Robiskie caught seven. Say what you want about Delhomme and Wallace, but they are established quarterbacks and their experience can bring out some of the qualities in these receivers. This still might end up being a 15-point-a-game offense this year, but Delhomme and Wallace will give the personnel office a true look at whether it will need to draft receivers next year.
What would be a disaster for the Browns is if Massaquoi and Robiskie -- who aren't really explosive -- fail. If the receivers fail to blossom, the Browns could be drafting high and forced to take a Jake Locker or an Andrew Luck at quarterback despite the presence of McCoy on the roster. As the Browns have found out, franchise quarterbacks are hard to find, because this franchise hasn't found one yet.
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Schefter seems a bit more balanced Quote:
BEREA, Ohio -- The Miami Dolphins made the Wildcat a weapon, but the Cleveland Browns could elevate its effectiveness.
Wide receiver Josh Cribbs can play quarterback or wide receiver. Browns quarterback Seneca Wallace can play quarterback or wide receiver. Then there will be times when Cribbs and Wallace line up at running back and fullback, without the defense knowing where the ball is being snapped.
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The Browns know it's coming and soon enough opponents will, too.
"My role is just going to expand dramatically," Cribbs predicted. "A lot of things are going to happen where me and Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme -- we are all going to be rotating and hopping in and out of there."
Cleveland knows it has to do something to worry opposing defenses. In what is one of the most stunning statistics from last season, the Browns completed a total of 34 passes during their five wins -- an average of less than seven per game. Peyton Manning completed at least 34 passes in two separate games last season; the Browns did it in their five wins.
Nobody likes gimmicks more than Cleveland coach Eric Mangini and nobody has any more toys than the Browns. Don't be surprised if the Browns take the Wildcat to a new level.
Other Browns observations:
As much as he is a coach at heart, Browns president Mike Holmgren is doing his best to break the addiction. He has told Mangini that he will leave him alone and not get involved in any coaching. It has not always been easy, but Holmgren knows he must do it for the greater good of the organization.
Holmgren attends practice in a golf cart. He was sitting in it Monday, watching practice with former Packers general manager Ron Wolf, discussing the roster that Holmgren has helped compose. Holmgren is letting Mangini coach while he rules.
But it also hasn't stopped Holmgren from adopting defensive lineman Shaun Rogers as his pet project. Holmgren has taken a personal interest in working with Rogers, who made a habit of destroying Holmgren's teams.
Knowing that Cleveland needs another pass-rusher, it's possible that the Browns could use Ahtyba Rubin at nose tackle and Rogers at defensive end. But wherever he plays, Rogers will be under the influence of Holmgren.
Last month, Holmgren underwent surgery that left his right foot in a cast. At first, the cast was blue. But when Holmgren returned to the doctor's office last week, the doctor insisted that he make Holmgren's cast more befitting his job. He replaced the blue cast with an orange-colored one. Now Holmgren's cast blends right into the team's colors.
Rookie quarterback Colt McCoy continually kidded Jake Delhomme on Monday that he has been in the NFL for what, 25 years? No, but it does feel like it. Delhomme has been around so long that, back in 1998, when he played on the Amsterdam Admirals and went to NFL Europe training camp in Atlanta, his teammate was Kurt Warner. Amazing how some NFL teams can't ever find a quality quarterback and the Amsterdam Admirals found two.
When McCoy took his pre-draft visit to Cleveland in the spring, he arrived at the Browns' training facility at 6:30 a.m. The moment McCoy walked into the Browns' quarterbacks meeting room, he found Delhomme engrossed in game film, studying Cleveland's offense. Right there is an example of how Delhomme's presence will benefit McCoy for years to come. There are few quarterbacks in the league who are better role models than the classy and professional Delhomme.
Hard to imagine how first-round pick Joe Haden could crack the starting lineup in Cleveland this season. Eric Wright is a big-time cornerback, as the Browns thought he would be when they drafted him out of UNLV with a second-round pick in 2007. Sheldon Brown is a former Pro Bowl selection whom Browns general manager Tom Heckert knows well from his time in Philadelphia. White and Brown are the undisputed starters for now. But Haden will be the nickel cornerback and a player the Browns believe they will rely on for years to come.
There's no question Cleveland slowly has added some solid defensive players -- Brown, safety T.J. Ward, and linebackers Chris Gocong, Scott Fujita and Jason Trusnik. But this team does not have the dominant pass-rusher that Pittsburgh or Baltimore does. It might have to rely on defensive lineman Rogers.
Even though second-round pick Montario Hardesty is out for a couple weeks with a knee injury, he should have few problems picking up the Browns' offense. Browns coaches have been impressed with the running back's maturity and intelligence.
Cleveland might not have top-shelf wide receivers, but its tight ends are formidable. Ben Watson will be a weapon in the Browns' offense. The best-kept secret on Cleveland's roster just might be tight end Evan Moore, a 2009 undrafted free agent from Stanford whom most fans don't know. In a West Coast-type offense, Moore might catch 90 passes. In this offense, he won't catch that many passes, but he will be a player that the rest of the league will come to know.
Cleveland is making noticeable improvements. It's on the right track. But it's the Browns' misfortune to be stuck in a division in which the Cincinnati Bengals and Baltimore Ravens are stacked and the Pittsburgh Steelers are the Steelers.
What's in numbers? A little perspective. Eric Mangini went 9-7 in his last year as Jets coach and was fired. Rex Ryan went 9-7 last year and was given a two-year contract extension.
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Maybe I'm missing something here ..... but i didn;t see a whole lot of "negative hype" here .....
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But a 5-11 season damaged Mangini's credibility among fans, so Lerner hired new team president Holmgren, who was responsible for major rebuilding successes in Green Bay and Seattle. Though he struggles daily with whether he wants to coach again, Holmgren, respectful of bright, young coaches, had Mangini's back and kept him as the coach.
What's clear in visiting the Browns is that this is a Mangini-built team, manufactured by the type of smart, heady football players who grasp the coach's detailed concepts and ability to learn multiple positions. Mangini maneuvers players like chess pieces, hoping to outsmart his opponents.
That's somewhat complimentary.
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Mangini moved away from Andra Davis, a 2008 starter. Through two offseasons, Mangini has assembled the type of smart linebackers that fit his system -- Matt Roth, Scott Fujita, Chris Gocong, Eric Barton, Jason Trusnik, David Veikune, Marcus Benard and Kaluka Maiava. They are interchangeable parts in Mangini's different packages.
Inside linebackers line up on the outside on some plays. Outside linebackers line up on the inside at times. This linebacking corps could be the disciples of the "No-Name Defense" that defined the Miami Dolphins teams of the early 1970s.
The only surviving linebacker from the Romeo Crennel regime is inside linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, who might be the team's second-best defensive player behind nose tackle Shaun Rogers. As hard as it was to lose a close friend in Wimbley, Jackson loves what he sees from Mangini's mass of linebackers. He sits with them in meeting rooms and marvels at their attentiveness and how they carry the coach's concepts to the field. The concern from outside the organization is whether there is enough athleticism or playmaking ability from the position. As Jackson points out, this unit should be good against running teams, but this is a passing league, and there aren't many candidates who could put up double-digit sack totals.
Smart and attentive LBs who have questions as far as athleticism and playmaking ability are concerned. Pretty fair if you ask me.
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Mangini now has the ability to match up against any four-receiver package in football. What was impressive in drills is how the Browns' corners can contest just about every pass. They looked particularly sharp in man coverage on plays in the end zone. Brown, Wright and Haden can succeed in press coverage, and McDonald does well in zones. The concern is whether the front seven can generate enough pass rush so these four corners aren't in coverage too long. As a former secondary coach, Mangini probably will take advantage of their coverage skills to blitz more, but if the blitzers don't get to the quarterback, the corners will be exposed.
4 good CBs who can succeed, if the pass rush doesn't force them to cover all day. pretty fair statement.
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3. Don't expect anything out of Colt McCoy, who has clearly replaced Brady Quinn as the fans' hope for the quarterback position. McCoy shows some flash for his leadership and willingness to step up and make crisp throws. Still, the former Texas star is not tall, he has passes batted down at the line of scrimmage and still is a little tentative because he's thinking through the plays instead of being instinctive. That's a typical rookie thing.
The plan is to sit McCoy this season. Holmgren brought in Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace to make the quarterback position stable, but their most important mission aside from winning is determining whether 2009 draft choices Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie are legitimate NFL starting receivers.
OK, again, a pretty fair analysis. McCoy is short, and tentative thus far. No surprise there. He's going to have to learn how to play the game in the NFL. He's not "NFL ready" as some QBs have been.
Also, having a real NFL QB will allow the team to better evaluate Massaquoi and Robiske. Nothing negative or unwarranted here.
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What would be a disaster for the Browns is if Massaquoi and Robiskie -- who aren't really explosive -- fail. If the receivers fail to blossom, the Browns could be drafting high and forced to take a Jake Locker or an Andrew Luck at quarterback despite the presence of McCoy on the roster. As the Browns have found out, franchise quarterbacks are hard to find, because this franchise hasn't found one yet.
I'm not sure what he's trying to say here ...... does he think that McCoy is definitely the future? He talks of "being forced" to draft a franchise type QB. Confusing, but nothing extremely negative.
Overall, I thought this was a pretty balanced piece.
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Saturdays practice seemed to be dominated by defense... it was without pads and was mostly walk throughs and learning fundamentals. at one point and I caught it out of my eye while I was looking at theis HUGE new lineman we have (reinders) that one of the LB tagged one of the WR and got yelled at for hitting without pads I SMILED... DELHOMME looked crisp his passes were tight,spiraled and on target... Wallace looked natural like he was going through the motins but looked good and Mccoy well... looked like a rookie... his height will be a disavantage as a few of his passes got batted down..
Back at the hotel a car pulls up and out comes JOE HADEN.. that guy is short as hell but he was cool as hell... he took a picture with some couple that was there for a wedding and shook my hand....told him thanks for signing and getting into camp and if he was ready to kick some A*$. he said OH yeah no doubt thats why im here ( he was on the phone trying to find out he was at the wrong hotel)(i was waiting for OLLIE WILLIAMS to chime in HE'S AT THE WRONG HOTEL LOL)..
Sunday is a WHOLE different day.. they had pads and THEY WERE HITTING....HARD..... now I live in Cincinnati and can only make a few training camps and a couple games a year BUT I GO... win or lose.. major signings or not.. that being said I been to 4 out of the last 5 training camps and I can tell you the Vibe of this team as oppase to others in the past is second to none.. they are fired up... they are hitting... they were hustling to other drills ( in the past under RC watch i would watch them WALK to the other drills).....
from what I seen sunday.... this practice was fried up.... first they went through their warm ups then it was off to drills.... OFvsDEF 1-1 drills... they Off was juking a few players on def and some def was hitting HARD one of the DB hit the RB HARD that the crowd in our section got up on our feet and cheered the hit I LOVED IT!!! about that time marykay from PD sat in front of us and was writing stuff down until a 8 year old kid( about) asked for her autograph i guess if your 8 thats ok LOL...
Jake looked SHARP im very excited with him taking the reigns of the QB .. on a pass to Ben wallace I think it was TJ ward covered him and knocked the ball out of the air while draped over him... again the crowd went wild there as well as I....
Joe Haden looked good on both sides of the Punt drills blocking and getting downfield... watched Cribbs muff apunt and fumbled get that out of the way now big guy
Carlton Mitchell Looked horrible that day.. on the reciever drills he was dropping passesevery turn and once he didn't finish the drill... I expect him to get cut or PS..... LOOK OUT FOR THIS REINDERS guy... he is like 6-9 320 Just TOWERS over everyone long hair just looks like a stud
after seeing that here is my take for the team if I had to guess
QB(3) Delhomme,Wallace, Mccoy
FB(2) Vickers,Hillis(who looked great to caught everything out there)
RB(4)Hardasty,Harrison,davis,Jennings
TE(3)Watson,Moore,Smith
WR(6)Massoqui,Robiskie,Cribbs,Stuckey,Engram,Haggerty
OL(10)Thomas,steinbach,mack,lauvao,pashos,Womak,Reinders,st.clair,Bender
LS(1)pointbrand
K(1) Dawson
P(1)zastudil
DL(6)Smith,Rubin,Rodgers,Mosely,Geathers,coleman
LB(7)Fujita,Gocong,DQ,Roth,Miavia,Veikune,trusnik
DB(9)Brown,Wright,Adams,Haden,Asante,TJ Ward,Elam,McDonald,Sorenson
I'm going back Monday aug 16th.... come up say Hi... i'll post what more I see
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Carlton Mitchell Looked horrible that day.. on the reciever drills he was dropping passesevery turn and once he didn't finish the drill... I expect him to get cut or PS.....
Yet he has, reportedly, looked good in other practices.
Never make a decision on a guy on the 3rd day of training camp. lol
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Holmgren attends practice in a golf cart. He was sitting in it Monday, watching practice with former Packers general manager Ron Wolf, discussing the roster that Holmgren has helped compose. Holmgren is letting Mangini coach while he rules.
Ron Wolf,,, OK,, to me this means that Holmgren is pulling out every trick in the bag... Wolf and Holmgren built a helluva a machine in GB.. Picking brains is a good thing.. I really like hearing Wolf is at least a shoulder to lean on...
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When McCoy took his pre-draft visit to Cleveland in the spring, he arrived at the Browns' training facility at 6:30 a.m. The moment McCoy walked into the Browns' quarterbacks meeting room, he found Delhomme engrossed in game film, studying Cleveland's offense. Right there is an example of how Delhomme's presence will benefit McCoy for years to come. There are few quarterbacks in the league who are better role models than the classy and professional Delhomme.
This isn't news, but I think that's why Holmgren liked Jake so much and wanted him here., That and the explaination about his bad year made sense.
He wanted a mentor for a young QB.. I think it's safe to say, he got one.
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What's in numbers? A little perspective. Eric Mangini went 9-7 in his last year as Jets coach and was fired. Rex Ryan went 9-7 last year and was given a two-year contract extension.
I said it then and I'll repeat it, it was all about the new stadium and a push for media coverage and the need to sell out seats that got Mangini fired. The Jets needs flashy and a big splash in the media to generate interest.. Mangini was the odd man out.
But to be fair, Ryan went deep in the Playoffs.. that is really the difference. I think.
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I agree with you Ytown,, seemed ok to me. Pretty honest.., not always what we want to hear, but seemed even handed....
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Carlton Mitchell Looked horrible that day.. on the reciever drills he was dropping passesevery turn and once he didn't finish the drill... I expect him to get cut or PS.....
Yet he has, reportedly, looked good in other practices.
Never make a decision on a guy on the 3rd day of training camp. lol
Every player has a bad day right? Not that there has been much written on him but what little I've read says he's doing well....
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Isn't it a must to keep at least five WR's. Most teams use a lot of four WR sets these days and some use quite a bit of five WR's.
I think 5 WR is normal, but teams that use multiple WR formations will usually keep 6.
I don't foresee to many 4 WR formations in our offense, in fact we rarely had more then 4 active WR last season for a game. We will however split out a TE out wide at times and RB's as well, so even though there might only be 3 WR in a passing formation, we actually could have as many as 5 options.
Does that make any since?
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Cleveland Browns get surprise from Eric Mangini BEREA -- Browns coach Eric Mangini gave his players a pleasant surprise Tuesday morning. He canceled practice, just four days into training camp. It's not a complete day off, however. Players were expected to be tied up in meetings with coaches. Still, the early respite from physical activity on the field reflects a change in Mangini first tipped off by linebacker David Bowens on Monday. Bowens, who played for Mangini two seasons with the Jets before rejoining him in Cleveland in 2009, had used the term "player-friendly" to describe Mangini in his second Browns season. "You won't see a lot of groaning this training camp as opposed to last year," Bowens said. "He's kind of taken into consideration how players feel. We do have a lot of veterans on this team and he's giving us the best chance possible to compete." Mangini responded, with a chuckle, "I think I'm player-friendly every year." Link
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Let's see how this is going to be treated by some: 1) Mangini has turned this into a Club Med and the players will be soft; 2) Mangini is afraid the players will call for Holmgren to be coach, so he's sucking up to them. IMO, I'd almost rather be out playing than sitting in a classroom (though I know the classroom/meeting stuff is extremely important). So, maybe this is punishment. 
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Let's see how this is going to be treated by some:
I will just take it as an admission that he is learning and growing as a HC who only really has a few years of experience in that position. Sounds like he is listening to his players and trying to find the right balance... good for him.
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Punter Dave Zastudil recovering from torn patella tendon but optimistic he'll be ready Dave Zastudil was on his way to one of the NFL's best seasons for a punter before going to the disabled list after the eighth game of the 2009 campaign. BROWNS TRAINING CAMP LOG AUGUST 2 What happened: Punter Dave Zastudil disclosed he suffered a torn patellar tendon last year in his right (plant) knee, but he’s optimistic he’ll be recovered fully by the season opener. Safety T.J. Ward and guard Shawn Lauvao continued to work with the first team defense and offense, respectively. Linebacker shuffle: With 12 linebackers on hand, including eight who have started at least three games in the NFL, the final makeup remains a work in progress. The starters with the first team Monday were Matt Roth, Chris Gocong, D’Qwell Jackson and Scott Fujita. Running wild: Two running back prospects had nice runs in the evening. First, James Davis used a burst of speed around the left edge to break free to the end zone after a pitchout. Then Chris Jennings made a cut back in the middle of the field and turned the right corner for big yards. Both runs brought cheers. Welcome back: Right tackle Tony Pashos practiced for the first time in the evening session. He had been out with cold symptoms. Injury report: Players who did not practice included offensive tackle John St. Clair (arm), linebacker David Bowens (knee), running back Peyton Hillis (undisclosed), defensive end Derreck Robinson (undisclosed), and defensive back DeAngelo Smith (knee). Fullback Lawrence Vickers left the evening session to work out with trainers. Tuesday’s schedule: No practice open to the public. For updates, call 877-627-6967. — Tony Grossi BEREA, Ohio -- Dave Zastudil said he's been recovering from surgery to repair a torn right patella tendon, but that he hopes to be ready for the start of the season Sept. 12 at Tampa Bay. "Over time, the patella tendon had some issues with it and I had to get surgery to help that tendon out," the Browns' punter said. "I'm trying to be smart about it and make sure my volume doesn't get too high. I look forward to getting better everyday. My whole goal is to be ready for the first game in September." Zastudil, who missed the final eight games of the season and was placed on injured reserve Nov. 18, is pacing himself in camp and deferring a lot of his punting duties to Reggie Hodges, who replaced him last season. Zastudil boomed some punts in the Saturday evening practice, but has taken it easy since. He worked mostly inside Monday night. He also sat out organized team activities and June minicamp while rehabbing the knee. That the injury is to his non-kicking leg hasn't made the recovery any less grueling. "All of your pressure's on your plant leg," he said. "As long as you get it warmed up real good and you keep your leg strong, that's the best way to keep that knee healthy." With Zastudil easing back into things, Hodges has had a chance to showcase his skills. "I take every training camp as competition," said Zastudil. "Reggie's trying to win a job and I'm trying to win a job and it's healthy competition. He's making me better and I'm making him better." He said the injury was not caused by working too much in training camp last season, when he was the lone punter in camp. "The coaches are really great with us," he said. "It was kind of a freak thing with me. It seems like it was just building over time. I got it taken care of and I look forward to having a great year healthy. I'm very optimistic I'll be ready to go." Zastudil, a Bay Village native, was punting extremely well before the injury. In his eight games, he punted 49 times for a 44.7-yard gross average, a net of 39.1. He had 25 balls rest inside the 20, which tied for the NFL lead when he was placed on injured reserve. He also had sensational game in the 6-3 victory at Buffalo, placing a career-high seven inside the 20 -- including two that were downed at the 1. The seven tied for third-highest in the NFL since the stat was first kept in 1976, earning him AFC Special Teams Player of the Week honors. In his place, Hodges, signed as a free agent after he was waived by the Titans, hit 45 punts for a net of 36.4 yards, with 15 inside the 20 and a long of 54. Hodges also replaced Zastudil as the holder on field goals. Lauvao gets first-team reps: Rookie guard Shawn Lauvao started working with the first-team at right guard Sunday thanks in part to tackles Tony Pashos (cold) and John St. Clair (arm) resting and Floyd Womack moving outside. "It's been a tremendous opportunity," said Lauvao, the third-round pick out of Arizona State. "Coach [Eric Mangini] is making it a point that he wants me to learn as much as possible. I want to compete. I'm not afraid to work." He said he's not counting on starting the opener. "Whatever Coach sees fit," he said. "I'll just try to come in and contribute any way possible. I'm just trying to perfect my technique." Mangini said he wouldn't hesitate to start Lauvao next to second-year center Alex Mack. "I think Alex could help him along," he said. "It's pretty fresh in his mind, some of the challenges that you face and he could be a real asset if that were the case." Lauvao has also worked some at backup center. "He can play center and both guards and that's what you'd like from an interior offensive lineman, if they weren't starting, to have that flexibility," Mangini said. Kinder, gentler: Linebacker David Bowens said training camp is more player-friendly than it was in Mangini's first season with the Browns. "A lot of stuff I'll keep internal, but you won't see a lot of groaning this training camp as opposed to last year. He's kind of taken into consideration how players feel. We do have a lot of veterans on this team and he's giving us the best chance possible to compete." He said President Mike Holmgren's presence has enabled Mangini to talk to the players more. "He's understanding guys more and he doesn't have all these hats and things," said Bowens, who added that the fewer penalty laps for mental mistakes are not a break from Mangini. "He's not going to ease up on those," said Bowens. "The reason there aren't as many is because guys are taking care of themselves." Take that: The running backs and linebackers treated the crowd to a spirited one-on-one blocking drill that featured some lively battles. Jerome Harrison missed a block on Blake Costanzo, but then took his frustration out with a great pop on David Veikune. 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Let's see how this is going to be treated by some:
1) Mangini has turned this into a Club Med and the players will be soft;
2) Mangini is afraid the players will call for Holmgren to be coach, so he's sucking up to them.
IMO, I'd almost rather be out playing than sitting in a classroom (though I know the classroom/meeting stuff is extremely important). So, maybe this is punishment.
He had the team playing hard at the end of the season last year, as long as they continue to do that, continue to improve, and start winning, he can do whatever he wants in camp. All reports I've read state that the practices have been spirited, fast paced, and productive. Seems like maybe the guys have earned a little reward. At least Mangini thinks so. Personally, I'm ok with it, but a little miffed he didn't at least call to consult me.
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Thanks for sharing Dawgmanincinci.
I would not be so quick to judge Mitchell as he is still having to think instead of reacting to any given play and it's not unusual for a rookie to have up and down days.
I read some where here how the observer thought he looked pretty sharp and really looked good after the catch.
As far as keeping only (7) LB's.
In a 3-4 Defense the minimum to keep is eight.
Remember your LB's and DB's are your core ST players too.
This is why you do not see a team keeping less than eight.
The Coach no longer has the final say with the 53 man roster, that falls to the GM, so unlike last season where he was able to keep guys like Ventrone and Costanzo around as ST exclusive players, he may not be able to have the same luxury this season keeping players who fit this in category over a skilled position player, but then again I don't think we were deep enough to have the same concern.
Thanks again.....I am hopping to get there within the next week depending on my work schedule.
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Let's see how this is going to be treated by some:
1) Mangini has turned this into a Club Med and the players will be soft;
2) Mangini is afraid the players will call for Holmgren to be coach, so he's sucking up to them.
IMO, I'd almost rather be out playing than sitting in a classroom (though I know the classroom/meeting stuff is extremely important). So, maybe this is punishment.
I think it's probably a good idea.
The practices are maybe a little toned down with the hitting, but not by much. Giving players a day off is a "keeping the players happy" more than anything else. I don't expect it to effect the play on the field.
you had a good run Hank.
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I don't see how canceling 3-4 field practices in favor of some chalk or film work is going to put a team behind.
Rest of body and mind every now and then is a good thing.
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and Mccoy well... looked like a rookie... his height will be a disavantage as a few of his passes got batted down..
He's listed as 1 inch shorter than Delhomme.. I can't believe that 1 inch means that much...
It's nice that you met Haden, the kid has the look of a winner.. Hope he pans out.... so far so good
Again, thanks for the good words...
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ok, maybe i'm just too sensitve then  perhaps just beating the same dead horse from these boards...mangini better succeed or he will be fired, mccoy will do nothing this year (don't know why this even needs mentioned on our preseason article), and robiskie/massaquoi are not explosive. and our LBs have quantity but not quality. just didn't seem to focus on many of our strengths, but, to be fair, they have us ranked #28 in the NFL, so we wouldn't have too many strengths to look at 
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Ron Wolf,,, OK,, to me this means that Holmgren is pulling out every trick in the bag... Wolf and Holmgren built a helluva a machine in GB.. Picking brains is a good thing.. I really like hearing Wolf is at least a shoulder to lean on...
So let me get this straight. Daboll has a shoulder in Haskell who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Ryan has a shoulder in Mangini who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Who the hell is Wolf's shoulder? This has to be my #1 concern in TC thus far.
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Who the hell is Wolf's shoulder? This has to be my #1 concern in TC thus far.
Randy Lerner. The Lerner's did bring in Wolf in the past. So, they seem to be tight like that.
if Wold needs a shoulder to cry on, then Randy is there. just keep the tears off the ascott
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Ron Wolf,,, OK,, to me this means that Holmgren is pulling out every trick in the bag... Wolf and Holmgren built a helluva a machine in GB.. Picking brains is a good thing.. I really like hearing Wolf is at least a shoulder to lean on...
So let me get this straight. Daboll has a shoulder in Haskell who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Ryan has a shoulder in Mangini who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Who the hell is Wolf's shoulder? This has to be my #1 concern in TC thus far.
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I know it's camp and they have to sort things out but WHY is St.Turnstile even lining up with any unit??
That guy is so horrible I don't have any good lines for him..
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Ron Wolf,,, OK,, to me this means that Holmgren is pulling out every trick in the bag... Wolf and Holmgren built a helluva a machine in GB.. Picking brains is a good thing.. I really like hearing Wolf is at least a shoulder to lean on...
So let me get this straight. Daboll has a shoulder in Haskell who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Ryan has a shoulder in Mangini who has a shoulder in Holmgren who has a shoulder in Wolf. Who the hell is Wolf's shoulder? This has to be my #1 concern in TC thus far.
Yes, you have it correct and wolf doesn't need a shoulder,, he's all knowing 
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I know it's camp and they have to sort things out but WHY is St.Turnstile even lining up with any unit??
That guy is so horrible I don't have any good lines for him..
Wondered that myself. We were better, IIRC, with Pork Chop at tackle.
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Love this time of the year when all the observations ( from board members ) come in .. Thanks to all ! 
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Clicking on 'ya, water. Didn't see this article.... I bolded the parts that got me a bit pumped. Quote:
By RUSTY MILLER
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BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Cleveland Browns defensive lineman Shaun Rogers waddled up within range of the machine that hurls practice passes to wide receivers and set his feet.
Footballs came off the machine at a frightening speed, and Rogers was just a few feet away. But he would dip one of his mammoth hands into the path of the ball and snag it, like King Kong grabbing a plane circling a skyscraper.
So far in training camp, that's the only action that Rogers has seen for a Browns defense that will count heavily on his intimidating presence on the front wall. Rogers is on the PUP list with a leg injury. It's just another point of concern for a team trying to tamp down as many question marks as possible.
"We want to turn the page on last year, but we want to carry the same mentality as we had at the end of the season," veteran linebacker David Bowens said. "Right now in camp we have the mentality that we're attacking. We're coming out in September and we're attacking. Teams are going to have to beat us. We're not going to find ways to lose games."
The Browns were good at doing that a year ago.
In nine games the offense didn't even surpass 12 first downs, an alarming lack of production that left even less margin for error on an already stressed defense. The Browns lost another game by a point at Detroit after time expired because of a defensive interference penalty.
But a four-game winning streak to end the season left them at 5-11. Now the defense feels it's ready to reach for something more.
"I've talked to fans, just at a restaurant or at the airport. They do seem optimistic. True fans, they've been through the highs and lows. It's time to give (some success) to them," linebacker Chris Gocong said. "Just looking at our defense, it's so much skill. If we can put it all together, I think we've got a real good chance."
Rogers may be the key up front. Even when his injury mends, he could be suspended for bringing a loaded weapon into an airport. But on the field, he can disrupt an offense by clogging the middle with his 350-pound frame and pushing linemen into the backfield. He'll likely be flanked by tackles Robaire Smith and Kenyon Coleman, making for a solid first line of defense.
Linebacker may be where the Browns are deepest and best. The front office pulled off some magic by plucking outside linebacker Matt Roth off the waiver wire from Miami and signing free agent Scott Fujita, who played at New Orleans last year. Gocong and D'Qwell Jackson will likely hold down the inside linebacker spots, with Bowens moving around wherever needed in the front seven. Eric Barton will also be a factor.
Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan has a world of options.
"Some are going to have to play on special teams, so that's going to be a component of it," coach Eric Mangini said. "Some may play in the sub-suited defenses: nickel and dime, goal-line, short-yardage and more run-specific defenses. There could be a lot of roles for a lot of different people -- and meaningful roles," added the Cleveland coach.
Jackson said all those experienced linebackers will not only improve each of the parts but also the whole.
"The more the better," he said. "With the competition, it's only going to make myself better, it's going to make Eric Barton better, it's going to make Chris Gocong better. And it's going to make the team better."
On the back end, Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown will battle for cornerback spots with first-round draft pick Joe Haden. Abram Elam and T.J. Ward fill the safety spots.
Ryan has been drawing up plays in the coaching room like a mad scientist, scheming up sets that may get more active athletes, more playmakers onto the field.
For a change, Cleveland appears to have some choices, not only in personnel but also in what that personnel can do.
"It doesn't matter who's on the roster, it doesn't matter who plays what," Bowens said. "That guy is expected to do a job. Everyone has evolved in the understanding that ego is all set aside. Everyone's here to do their job. That's how we're approaching it."
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Linebacker may be where the Browns are deepest and best. The front office pulled off some magic by plucking outside linebacker Matt Roth off the waiver wire from Miami and signing free agent Scott Fujita, who played at New Orleans last year.
I definitely agree. Should be a much more solid unit this year. I think that the improvement here will be a definite eye opener and is being overlooked. Lb was our worst position behind WR last year imo. Now we have depth and solid talent. Maiava is young but I like the kid and think he has a good upside..
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Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini press conference 8-4-10 (Opening statement)- “Good morning everybody. Welcome back. Yesterday what we did is, we spent time in the morning going through the film from the previous evening in all three phases. The guys did some conditioning, some strength training and some other things that are related to body maintenance to try to get some of the other lactic acid out and some of the low buildup that we have had to this point, kind of recover from that. We got back together in the evening and went through and were able to look at the first five practices. Coaches were able to go through and target specific areas from these earlier practices that we wanted to emphasize with the group, and I thought that was a really productive exercise. After that we installed for this morning, walked through for this morning and guys got out at seven, a little bit earlier instead of eight to hopefully get some more sleep. In terms of today’s practice, I thought there was pretty good tempo across the board. I like the progress we are making in some of our speed-ball stuff that we work on at different points of practice. Overall, I thought, a nice start to the day and I’m looking for a complete day. Usually what happens, in any practice, is you get a little sloppier towards the end when you’re a little tired and you’re hot and that’s something that we are constantly working on, being able to finish the practice and then go to meetings, then finish the next practice, then finish the day. We are always talking about the importance of that and our ability to do that.” (On someone not reaching for a catchable ball at the end of practice being what he is talking about finishing the day)- “You’re exactly right. It’s those type of plays where it comes down to the ball was catchable, and now it’s a function of being able to look that in and finish that play. It gets harder as the game goes on to do that, but you have got to practice that, you have got to be consistent with that. Same thing with penalties if you see false starts or things like that and there’s more later in practice. That’s a discipline thing that’s conscious. It gets harder too as you go through camp, because you have that much more information, you’re more fatigued from the multiple days of practicing. It’s a skill like any other skill and we are constantly talking about it.” (On the fine line between a good play by the defense and a bad play by the offense)- “It depends on whether it was just a poor throw and a gimmie for the defense, or whether it was a function of the disguise, the technique or the guy got a good jump. I thought the day before, Eric Wright had a really nice play on Evan Moore where there was a hitch that got thrown out there late that he was able to drive on. I thought that was a really good interception on Eric’s part. There are some interceptions where the defense may have confused the quarterback, which is a positive thing on one side of the ball and not so positive on the other side. Both, however it plays out, are coachable and that’s what we end up doing with it.” (On Dave Zastudil)- “Dave should be back tomorrow. He went to get rechecked by his doctor, which is something that is pretty common.” (On Peyton Hillis)- “I think that Peyton is close to coming back and with a lot of these different things, taking our time with it to make sure that we are over the hump and when they come back, they are ready to go for the long term.” (On if Peyton injured his leg)- “Yeah. He should be, hopefully, here soon.” (On if he knows the extent of Chris Roberson’s injury in practice today)- “No. He’s got to go through tests and all of that stuff.” (On Johnathan Haggerty)- “He’s done well. He continues to show up each day. It’s one of those things where you don’t get quite as many reps as you did at different points and when you have those reps, you really have to maximize them. He will get a lot of opportunities in preseason games and things, but he has got to keep popping off of the screen.” (On Gerard Lawson’s two interceptions today)- “Like we were talking about, it’s a way to show up on tape and be noticed. I saw the picks happen out there, but I didn’t really get a sense of again, was it a poorly thrown ball? Was it a really nice play by him? You have just got to look at all of that stuff and look at it objectively, but it’s good. Any two-pick day is a real good day.” (On Lawson playing less last year than in 2008)- “That happens sometimes because it depends on what spot you have on special teams and if there is someone better than you at that spot, then they are going to be on the 45. If it’s close, and they have value or they have a specific role offensively or defensively that week, then it’s always going to go to that player that has the role offensively or defensively. I’m not sure how it went in ’08, but that’s how the decisions get made each week.” (On when he will start live tackling and if they will on Saturday)- “No, we won’t do any Saturday. We will do it in the preseason games. We usually have a segment, actually this evening, in our goal line period so we will get plenty of work at it.” (On how James Davis’ progression is going)- “Good. I showed a couple of clips of him yesterday when I was running through my review of the previous five days. He had two really good blocks in the one-on-one pass rush drill where he came up one time. The linebacker was trying to shake him and he timed up his punch and was able to strike the guy and stalemate him. Another time where the linebacker was going to bull rush him and try to just push him back and he fit it really nicely in triangle with his hat and hands. Two excellent technique plays and two technique plays based on the type of rush that he was getting where last year at this time, I don’t think he would be able to recognize the difference between the rushes and how he had to play them. That’s an example of something that he has done and I’m excited to see him in the preseason games and see what he can do and how far he has come along over the course of the year. Same thing with Chris Jennings, all of those guys. We should be able to get a look at them.” (On if Davis’ character was strengthened by his injury last season)- “Yes. I know Chansi Stuckey got hurt early in his rookie season and what we do with those guys is they go through the meetings and everything that the rest of the team goes through. They are learning and they are accountable for the information. They are learning like everybody else is learning. They may not be getting the physical reps, but they are going through that process and that helps. It helps a lot to experience that, even if it may not be the active experience on the field, but to experience everything else associated with it. There are typically some nice jumps. I thought that Chansi made a nice jump his next season.” (On running two tight end sets in passing situations)- “We ran a significant amount of two tight ends last season. There are times where you run three tight ends and we worked on some of that today. You can do a lot of different things depending on the skill sets of the guys, but there was an emphasis period yesterday where we worked on two tight ends, three tight ends because we see it defensively as well. There are specific calls that you want in those sets, so that’s what our emphasis period is. We will just focus on a certain thing, today was fourth down. The day before was empty, whether it was lined up or motioned to. You go through the practice, you do the progression, but there are certain areas where you target and you want to work on those. That was one of them.” (On the rapport between Jake Delhomme and Ben Watson)- “It’s a positive thing and having a tight end that can stretch the field puts more pressure on the defense. You can’t shift coverage outside. You have to figure out how you want to deal with them. Do you want to cover with a safety, do you want to cover him with a linebacker, do you want to let it go to zone? There are a lot of questions that have to be answered when you are facing guys that can be productive from the tight end spot.” (On having a recovery day so early in camp)- “It’s a little earlier than I did it in New York in ‘08, but as you look at the data and track injury histories through training camp. I thought to move it up would be a good idea and really you don’t train these guys this way any other time during the year. There’s no other point in the year where you have this kind of load coming off of an inactive period and I just thought why not be more consistent with how we train them the other 11 months of the year.” (On if he felt he couldn’t give them that day off last year)- “I think what happens is you understand the team better and they understand you better and it was listed as a one-a-day which it could have been. As you look at it from my perspective, if guys are doing what is asked of them and we are making the progress that we need to make, this is what I wanted to do in the progression of installs, is to have the recovery day. I felt good about doing it so there’s growth on their part, growth across the board and I thought it was a good idea.” (On the impact that Watson makes on the team)- “He’s got a ton of experience. Our systems aren’t exactly alike but there’s plenty of carry over. He’s got familiarity. He’s a really good person and he’s a gifted athlete, so all those are pluses. Plus he’s a guy that’s been through a lot of winning, a lot of training camps, so that veteran experience helps in the locker room as well.” (On how Ahtyba Rubin has been developing)- “He’s been outstanding, he really has. He’s a big man, so he’s hard to move, but he plays with really good technique and his block recognition has gotten better over the course of the last year. When you’re that size and as strong as he is and recognizes blocks well, it’s hard to move you. He does an excellent job. I don’t know if you guys saw the other day, a little screen pass, he was running about 60 yards down the field, chasing the screen pass and that’s what you like about him as well. Some big guys may feel there’s about a 10-yard barrier or limit, but he finishes the plays and you like that. I like that a lot about him.” (On if there was an offensive interference on Mike Adams on a pass to Brian Robiskie)- “I was pretty far away from it so I haven’t see the play from that close and someone told me a long time ago, they pay a lot of money for TV contracts to see touchdowns so usually you aren’t going to get that if you are a defensive player. You have to wipe his hand off, re-establish your hand and you don’t want to have that type of separation. You have to close the distance so that they can’t use their hand to push off and if you don’t, odds are you aren’t going to get it and it’s your fault.” (On whether he needs to let Robiskie know that he might get called for it in a game)- “Again, I haven’t seen it. If it was offensive pass interference, we’ll coach them out of it because it doesn’t work. If it’s borderline, that’s officials’ discretion. Some call it more tightly than others. I don’t really know, I didn’t see it close enough to say.” (On whether tight end was a weak link for them last year)- “I think there were a lot of areas that we’re looking to improve and I think Ben (Watson) can improve that. I think when you saw Evan (Moore) come in against Pittsburgh and the things that he was able to do there in his first game. That changed the type of defense you are going to get the following weeks and it helped, it helped a lot and you have to have three great tight ends that can run and run block and go out and catch a lot of passes. Sometimes the skill sets are different, but it’s nice to have guys that can threaten from the interior part of the offense.” (On whether Shaun Rogers is getting closer to getting on the field)- “I don’t think we’re close right now. I think we’re still a little ways away.” (On what Moore has done and how much further he needs to go)- “He hasn’t played that much football. He’s done a nice job with the chances that he had, but there’s a ton that he can improve. He’s a young guy. He’s an inexperienced guy and we’ll keep working with him on every aspect, blocking, the nuances of route running and all those things. It was nice what he has done, but there’s a lot of work to be done.” (On how D’Qwell Jackson has looked so far)- “He’s looked good. D’Qwell’s looked good. He’s moving really well. He’s been close on a couple interceptions, maybe just a step off, but I think some of those we’ll convert as he just starts firing right away. I’m not saying he looks slow by any means, but it’ll keep getting better as he gets more and more of a feel getting back in there.” (On why Montario Hardesty isn’t watching practice)- “Because we want him to do things to help get him out quicker and each guy is on a different program. Believe me, he watches a lot of tape. He gets coached like everybody else. We’re just trying to be as productive as we can, to get him out as quickly as we can.” (On what Matt Roth’s brought since joining the Browns)- “Matt’s a beast. He is strong, he’s tough, he’s relentless and we had to deal with that in New York when he was in Miami and it was painful to deal with it. When he became available, it’s nice to have him and let other people deal with him. He doesn’t get fazed by anything, he is just going to attack the same way, play-in and play-out and it’s a nice trait and it’s contagious.” (On if he expects to get any updates on possible suspensions for Shaun Rogers and Robaire Smith)- “I haven’t heard anything on that.” (On whether he expects anything tomorrow during the Commissioner’s visit)- “I didn’t really go into it thinking the visit would clarify that. Whenever the decision is made, the decision is made. I’m not going to press him on it tomorrow, but it would be nice for him to come out though and see the things that we are doing and have a chance to talk to the players and talk to the coaches and spend some time with the fans. I think that’s great.” (On how T.J. Ward has been doing with the ones)- “He’s doing well. He made a really nice play the other day late in practice where he came up, made the tackle and stripped the ball out and that was just an awareness play. It’s been a point of emphasis that always is defensively, to sort of see him finish the play that way, which is what we want. I like that, I like that a lot. He does a nice job too with the information. He’s gotten more and more comfortable as we’ve gone on and I think working with the ones has helped him, because it’s forced him to accelerate the process.” Link
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J/C Just read this on cleveland.com and had to post it. If you had any questions about Josh Cribbs character or loyalty to this team and fans, you won't anymore... http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2010/08/cleveland_browns_am_links_1.html"To be a Brown," receiver Josh Cribbs said, "is to be bestowed with dignity and honor, and to be a part of a rich history." That is a direct quote. "I say all the time, if our stadium was on an island off the coast of Alaska, you'd see Browns fans in canoes rowing out to the games," Cribbs said. "It's a way of life." As he spoke, Cribbs was sitting in a shaded area within the Browns' practice compound, and he was clearly dawg-tired. After the morning practice session, he spent another 40 minutes in the sun signing autographs and posing for pictures. At one point, he was seen mugging with somebody's orange-clad baby in his arms.
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That's gotta be one of the best quotes ever
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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