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"I say all the time, if our stadium was on an island off the coast of Alaska, you'd see Browns fans in canoes rowing out to the games," Cribbs said. "It's a way of life."
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Sig nothing... that's a tattoo 
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http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/540456.html?nav=5024Rogers still a spectator Browns' defensive lineman not expected to practice any time soon By MIKE McLAIN Tribune Chronicle POSTED: August 5, 2010 BEREA - It doesn't appear as if defensive lineman Shaun Rogers will be on the practice field any time soon. Browns coach Eric Mangini said Wednesday that Rogers hasn't progressed enough to be removed from the active physically-unable-to-perform list. Rogers has been an observer at each of the practices, although he did some work on a blocking sled Wednesday. "I don't think we're close right now," Mangini said. "We're still a little ways away." Rogers started the first 11 games of last season but spent the final five weeks on injured-reserve with a lower leg injury. It was the first time Rogers missed playing time since the 2006 season, when he sat out 10 games for the Detroit Lions with a knee injury. Punter Dave Zastudil was another no-show for Wednesday's practices. Zastudil, who missed the final eight games of last season with a right (non-kicking) knee injury, had surgery on the patella tendon in the offseason. "Dave should be back (Thursday)," Mangini said. "He went to be re-checked by his doctor. That's something that's pretty common." TWICE AS NICE: Defensive back Gerard Lawson intercepted two passes Wednesday morning, returning one for a touchdown. The first interception was off quarterback Colt McCoy, who failed to see Lawson jump the route. The second interception came when a pass by Seneca Wallace was tipped into Lawson's hands. "He (McCoy) was booting," Lawson said. "When he boots, the receiver usually runs a come back. I was already underneath. I just had to make a play on the ball." Lawson faces a difficult challenge to gain a roster spot because of the offseason additions of Joe Haden and Sheldon Brown. Lawson has shown skills as a returner, but he has no chance of winning that spot with Joshua Cribbs on the roster. "It's tough (playing behind Cribbs) and exciting at the same time," Lawson said. "I've learned so much from Cribbs being his backup." DOWN TIME: Mangini usually gives the players a day off from the routine to rest their bodies, but he did it earlier this year. The players were off Tuesday after just three days and five practices. "If you look at the data and track injury histories, I thought moving it up would be a good idea," Mangini said. "You don't train these guys this way any other time during the year where you have this kind of load off an inactive period." TOUGH BREAK: Defensive back Chris Roberson's hard-luck career took another wrong turn Wednesday when he suffered what appeared to be a lower-leg injury while covering Cribbs on a deep pass. Roberson was carted off the field. Mangini didn't have an update on his status after practice. Roberson spent the entire 2006 and 2007 seasons on injured reserve with the Jacksonville Jaguars. CAMPING OUT: Quarterback Jake Delhomme connected with rookie receiver Carlton Mitchell for a long gain. Mitchell was left uncovered along the left sideline. Cribbs made a sensational one-handed catch on the play in which Roberson was hurt. The play wouldn't have counted because Mitchell was penalized for an illegal block. Running back James Davis makes a big play almost every day. He took a screen pass from McCoy and ran at last 50 yards for a touchdown. Delhomme completed a pass across the middle to tight end Ben Watson, who split safeties T.J. Ward and Abram Elam Ward, a rookie, continues to work with the first-team defense. He made a good play in breaking up a short pass. Cornerback Eric Wright dropped what would have been an interception of a Delhomme pass. Offensive lineman Tony Pashos was at right tackle with the first-team offense. Pashos missed the first three days of camp with a cold. Floyd Womack had been at right tackle. Running back Peyton Hillis watched from the sideline with an undisclosed injury. The evening practice involved the first full contact of camp. mmclain@tribtoday.com
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Is it just me, or is the number of reports of negative plays seemingly lower this year?
For those that have gone to camp so far... is this just the reporting, or are we actually looking like a quality team right now?
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Running back James Davis makes a big play almost every day. He took a screen pass from McCoy and ran at last 50 yards for a touchdown.
I'm really looking forward to watching James Davis this year. If he gets a chance I think he could shine for the Browns.
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At one point, he was seen mugging with somebody's orange-clad baby in his arms.
Looks like someone is working on his political career 
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Running back James Davis makes a big play almost every day. He took a screen pass from McCoy and ran at last 50 yards for a touchdown.
I'm really looking forward to watching James Davis this year. If he gets a chance I think he could shine for the Browns.
If he was a step faster.. I PROMISE you he would be an adrian peterson clone.. He runs his hardest EVERY play..
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Is it just me, or is the number of reports of negative plays seemingly lower this year?
It's a vibe unlike any in recent memory. I want to see what King has to say if he stops through. He commented he thought the Browns would win something like 2 games last year after the vibe he witnessed in camp. Of course, we all blasted him, but he turned out to be close to accurate until we got hot late.
I'm really, really starting to think that big bucks on the over at 5.5 is going to be a good bet. I'm trying to figure out how much I want to lay on it.
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Yeah it was a shame he got injured last year. I was excited to see more of him, hopefully we avoid the big injuries this year, be alot easier to find the holes in the team if you're at full strength
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I still think it's hard to judge to be honest. They looked very focused but still having fun on the first day. I don't think we'll really know what this team has in them until the end of week 3 of the regular season.
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Actually, I think we'll see a huge difference in organization and performance on the field starting with the first pre-season game.
Most of the team now has the system down. That's starters and many of the backups. That helps a great deal in breaking in rookies as well.
I really can't wait for that first pre-season game.
Man I wish my back could handle a drive to Cleveland and hours walking around. I would love to hit training camp this year.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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go in a wheelchair.... you get to go, and you should get a little preferential seating/viewing.
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I don't think that my back would take the drive.
Driving up to see a doctor about killed me.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Make someone else drive ya, while you lay on the back seat and rest 
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Tried that. It didn't help Laying down in a car really isn't all that easy on your back. My back is just miserable. Add in the meds, and it has made for many a fun day. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'm really, really starting to think that big bucks on the over at 5.5 is going to be a good bet. I'm trying to figure out how much I want to lay on it.
We'll have to discuss this over a cold, frosty adult beverage. 
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Take the over Otts....I did.
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Take the over Otts....I did.
It's a pretty good bet, with our schedule. Of course, we are the Browns.
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If I knew how/where to do it, I'd likely put a couple hundred on it myself.
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If long time vets take alot of training camp off and it keeps them fresher and they have more productive seasons, then it is not bad. Gerard Lawson Had 2 interceptions, one went for a touchdown  If this defense can average 1 touchdown per game then they are going to go along way. If you are not forcing turnovers then it is not a good play on defense. ( look out Coye Francies) I want to know which quarterback gave up the TD, Wallace or McCoy? Hey if you play QB for the Browns you'd better be able to tackle, your often the last man before the goalline. " Mitchell was hit for a long gain, Mitchell threw an illegal block " good news bad news but the disturbing news Mitchell was left uncovered on the left sideline DiDN'T THat Happen Around GAme #9 the San Diego Game last season ? If Eric Mangini is going to base his defense, on putting players in the right positon to make plays, by confusing and disguising lineups; Then he better get the players in the right spots. Someone in this organization, I think it was Mangini, made this statement on DRAFT DAY, I think it was day 1 of the draft the statement was this We looked at if we had to line up and play a game today! They drafted 3 Db's So if they lined up and played a game today they made an investment into the Db's, so somebody have the buck stop with them. It is training camp, it is training time, it could have been 3rd stringers in there, But if the Browns are going to have success, and the success of the defense is going to be based on putting players in disguised coverages, Then the Players are going to have to learn where to go. The blown coverages have to stop Correction. This wasn't a blown coverage, this was a player left uncovered Doh! 
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Definitely. I only worry that if I take the over it will ensure another 5-11 season. I guess the odds on that are proportional to the amount that I bet..... 
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Rogers has been an observer at each of the practices, although he did some work on a blocking sled Wednesday.
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Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini press conference 8-5-10 (Opening statement)- “Good afternoon everybody. How are we doing? What we’re doing today is we’ll follow our install progression and we are really getting close to having the bulk of the install in at this point. I talked to the player’s a little bit about that this morning. What I’m looking for now is, we’ve been through this a few times between OTAs, mandatory minicamp and now training camp. I want to see a lot of the details, the technique improvement, things like that and each day, we’re looking for less and less mental errors and less and less technique errors because it should be that much more familiar to us, collectively. Tomorrow, we’ll do some general practice, things specific to the install schedule and also work on the brown and white game and then play the game on Saturday, which is, to me always a really fun practice because it’s as close to a simulation of a game as we can get and the more people that we can have out there, the more fans, the better. Choose a side and cheer loudly.” (On if Dave Zastudil will return today.)- “He is not going to be back today. He’ll come back tomorrow. He’ll be flying back tonight, so he’ll be back tomorrow.” (On if there were any thoughts of putting Zastudil on PUP)- “No, when we looked at it and where he was in his rehab and the amount of work that he had done, felt good about it. This is fairly typical where a guy who’s has had surgery that goes back and visits with the physician. It’s not a spike or anything different in the progression.” (On the point that live tackling was diminished in training camp during his career and why he wouldn’t have it during a live scrimmage)- “Done it all different ways, Tony (Grossi). Really, there hasn’t been one set way to do it and these guys are going to have so much contact between the four preseason games and the amount of contact that they have, just physical contact that they have during practice with the blocking and all that goes into it. It’s not a dramatic shift, one way or the other, just changes year to year. We did the live tackling yesterday night which was scheduled and was trying to maximize the teaching and minimize the amount of times we can put guys at risk.” (On whether Zastudil had back surgery)- “No, I didn’t say that. It was just his normal surgery. I just said he went back to see his attending physician.” (On if Shaun Roger’s timetable is more health related or if they are bringing him along slowly)- “I wasn’t underly optimistic. That’s really the timetable and with all these injuries, there’s different timetables set by the trainer and set by the doctor and you go through and hit landmarks. Sometimes you aren’t where you want to be at the landmark and it may take a little bit more time. Sometimes, the guy is a little ahead of schedule and you see him earlier. You just don’t know because each one is different. I wasn’t trying to give the impression there’s any variation as to what we were doing, it’s just sort of where he’s at.” (On whether there’s any concern about the defensive line depth right now)- “We have some good young guys and what’s nice about that and believe me, I want everybody out there, but it does give those guys a chance to practice against a higher level of competition, more often, more frequently. You get to see more things and that helps accelerate the learning. Titus (Adams), who we picked up late last season. We actually drafted him in New York in ‘06 and then he went to New England for a little while. He’s done some nice things here in camp. Brian Schaefering, who were know from last year. You’ve got Clifton (Geathers), who is working to try to get a feel for the defense and fit in. A couple other young guys that are flashing some plays here and there, Swanson Miller, Brian Sanford, but the positive in that situation is that you really get to evaluate those guys more and ideally speed up their growth.” (On if the scrimmage will be like last year)- “Yes, I tried it the first time, my first year as a head coach in New York because we had to travel to the games over in New Jersey and it was a totally different deal. There were so many people that want to go through the mechanics of a gameday operation. I want the guys to see the locker room, to just get a sense of what it was like playing there, before we played and everything we do at practice is to simulate a game, whether it’s the officials, the down and distance and the music, the speed ball, guys standing in the box and having to substitute from there. Everything is designed that way and this is as close as we can get to a game, without playing a game.” (On David Bowens)- “I didn’t know David early in his career. We had looked at him. We had played against him a little bit and I liked the things that he had done then he came to New York and we had him in a certain set of roles and that expanded. He was actually a special teams captain there one year and that was his main role and then that role has evolved over the years. David has talked to the rookies. We had some vets talk to the rookies back in rookie camp and he has a great story because he’s a self-admitted knucklehead early in his career and he talked to the guys about that. About how he wasn’t doing the right things early on in his career and suddenly he was jobless and he realized the mistakes that he made and he got another opportunity and he was going to take advantage of that opportunity. I forgot who told him to get on the plane and don’t come home again, but he was given that message, make sure he goes to that next team and plays the way that he was capable of playing and that’s a really important message for guys to hear. He can do so many different things. That’s where he has great value and excellent leadership in my mind because it doesn’t matter who he’s dealing with. He can relate to them and he’s always very positive. He’s always willing to help any of the young guys get better and not just on defense, anywhere because he’s been through it. He’s been through so many different situations and he wants to help other people avoid some of the mistakes that he made early in his career and I really respect that about him.” (On if the final four games last season was the best he had ever seen Bowens play)- “Yes, I think so because it was in a position that he hadn’t played much. He had to lead the defense. He had to call the plays, he had to run the defense and I don’t think he had been asked to do that and in his stops previously. I know that wasn’t the case in New York. He was always very vocal, but he wasn’t asked to lead it as much, but he was during that stretch and I thought he did a great job with it.” (On Lawrence Vickers’s status)- “He should be back here this afternoon.” (On what happened to Vickers)- “With a lot of these guys, it’s just some minor things that they get and miss a little bit of time. There’s going to be a couple of guys. You saw (Eric) Barton miss yesterday afternoon. E.B. was one of the offseason award winners so part of what they get is a certificate for one practice off. They are non-transferable, you can’t sell them and there have been some big offers for those. You can only have two guys for one practice and it always goes from the oldest down to the youngest, but he redeemed that. The different offseason award winners each got one of those certificates because of all of the hard work that they put in to win that category. I think Mike Adams was our second one for today, so Adams and (Benjamin) Watson are this afternoon, so they’re not hurt. They’re just redeeming something they were awarded and I have no problem with that, it was well deserved.” (On how James Davis is in his second camp physically)- “I’d say he’s stronger. He’s been able to go through a full offseason program and a lot of the young guys do gain strength as they come in into the league and I’m not taking anything away from a college program. There are excellent college programs, but they are into the strength and conditioning and all the things that we ask them to do. I think he’s a guy that took advantage of that. He is stronger. I’d say the reason that he looks stronger too, Tony (Grossi), is he’s playing with better technique, better leverage, better hand placement so two guys with the same strength, whoever plays with better technique is always going to look like the stronger player and he’s improved in that area.” (On if he thinks there will be any news from Commissioner Roger Goodell about the possible suspensions of Shaun Rogers or Robaire Smith)- “I don’t know. I don’t have a meeting scheduled to discuss that. I’m not sure if Mike (Holmgren) or Tom (Heckert) does. I think his visit is more to spend some time here with us as a team, spend some time with the fans, be able to talk to the players, be able to visit, so that’s what I’m looking forward to.” (On Dick LeBeau being inducted into the Hall of Fame and what has made him last this long as a coordinator)- “That’s a great question. I love to be able to tap into it. I haven’t spent much time with him, but I know year in and year out, his defenses are very good. He’s had a range of players come in and out and he’s been able to put those pieces year in and year out and really be one of the top defenses in the league every year. It’s a testament to him, testament to the organization. He’s been innovative, he comes up with some really good ideas that I think now have become mainstream, but when he originally brought them in, it was hard to deal with and I’m excited for him. I think it’s well deserved.” (On if he’s on to him now)- “Like I said, I’m excited for him.” (On Jake Delhomme looking better in 7-on-7 than 11-on-11 drills)- “I really like what I’ve seen from Jake and typically 7-on-7 is going to look better than team and if it doesn’t, that’s a problem. That’s usually how it goes. There’s nobody rushing the passer, there aren’t the variation of blitzes and things. I think he’s done an excellent job and what I like that I see consistently from him is the offensive plays and then there’s the answers within the plays to problems that come up and he gets to those answers and he get to them quickly and it’s encouraging. It’s really encouraging.” (On if Phil Dawson is showing any signs of slowing down or he’s getting better with age)- “What I’ve seen is consistency for the time that I’ve been with him and he’s been consistent here throughout this camp as well. I think with Phil, he really understands how to take care of his body, he really understands the things that he needs to do to operate at a high level, at a very efficient level and he’s consistent with it and that’s served him well and will continue to serve him well. That’s what you want anybody to be is to understand, how do I operate the best for me because each guy has a different way to get to that and then to be able to do that play in and play out and season in and season out.” (On how Dawson compares to other kickers he’s seen in the league)- “He’s right up there. I think he’s outstanding and he kicks in a very difficult place to kick. I think Adam Vinatieri is pretty good too and I’m a big fan of Adam’s. I’m not taking away from anybody else, but Adam helped us win a lot of Super Bowl rings.” (On how much time he will need before Shaun Rogers moves to the outside)- “With Shaun playing outside, I don’t think it’s Shaun playing exclusively outside. I just think it’s another thing that we can do and it’s another way that we can build in depth and build in versatility. It’s not that he wouldn’t play at the nose tackle position. He will and he’ll work at end as well and you also see him in the substitute of defenses which I think he’s very good at. In terms of understanding the schemes and recognizing schemes and things like that, Shaun’s pretty quick in picking things up and he’s seen a lot of things over the course of time, so I’d imagine that transition wouldn’t take a significant amount of time.” (On how he feels about the NFL possibly going to an 18-game schedule and how he thinks it would change things prior to the season)- “I don’t really know how to answer that because you don’t know how that would change the format of camp, would you still have the same amount of time that you would with the four game schedule, but it’d just be more practice time. Without knowing the format for it, it’s tough to really get an idea for how it would change it.” (On if it would be more difficult to judge players on the bubble with only two preseason games)- “It could. You don’t have the two game exposure. It would be less film so you would have less of a body of work. Again, it would depend on how much guys played in each one of those games because right now there is a typical progression through the preseason, so you know who is going to play in the first quarter for the most part. Everybody does it a little bit differently. I don’t know how that would work with just the two games. It wouldn’t have been bad to have two more games last season from our perspective, but here we are.” (On if he thinks the more preseason games, the better)- “You like the games because it’s what you’re going to do during the regular season. Like I said, you try everything you can to get it as close to that in practice, but it’s not the same.” (On if he would scrimmage other teams if the preseason was shortened)- “I don’t know Tony (Grossi). I haven’t spent a lot of time thinking about it. We have scrimmaged teams in the past during a four game preseason. That’s usually the week before you play them, they come out and you spend a week together. That can be productive, that can not be productive too. It can add some extra wear and tear on the guys that you really don’t want at that point.” (On Chris Roberson’s injury)- “No real update now. I will say that he’s going to miss some time. I don’t think that he will be back anywhere in the next couple of weeks. (On T.J. Ward)- “What I’ve liked about T.J. is, I don’t know if you saw the play the other day where with Jerome (Harrison) down the field and he hustled down and he punched the ball out. He had another strip in one of the drills. It was kind of a short pass and he converged on, I think Mohamed (Massaquoi), and ripped the ball out. That’s something that you love to see because those are effort-type plays. Those are things that are completely in control of everybody and he’s doing that constantly. He’s learning as he goes, but the effort part of it and the intensity I really like.” (On Ward making adjustments in coverage because he is undersized)- “He’s just going to play four inches bigger. He’s not going to grow any more than he is now. He needs to understand how to fit against taller guys and there are ways to do that. He’s being exposed to that with Ben (Watson) and Evan (Moore) and the guys that he faces. It’s good practice for him.” (On if Ward has been improving)- “It’s only been a day since you’ve asked that question, hasn’t it? The days are running together for you. It happens to me too (joking). Since we last spoke, I think that he has made some jumps.” (On if the teams are set for Family Day)- “Teams are pretty much set, it’s just subject to trades by the head coaches. If anybody gets nicked up here in the next couple of days, we might have to switch a couple guys around.” (On who the head coaches are for Family Day)- “Brad (Seely) and Tater, Carl Smith.” (On the defense winning the goal line challenge at the end of practice Wednesday)- “I was kind of hoping it would get tied up so we would have a tiebreaker, but Joe (Haden) made a nice play on Evan in the back of the end zone there. It was a nice start. I think that we have a lot of work to do in that area. That was the first day that we had installed goal line, so it was really the first reps that we did there outside of the seven-on-seven that we did. I think it’s positive. I think what was nice about that too is the defense was getting handled early by the offense in the nine-on-seven drill and then they came back and did a nice job at the end of practice. I talked to the guys about that, the way it ebbs and flows too in games where you’ve got the momentum and things are rolling then suddenly, they start getting it back. How are you going to deal with it and how do you adjust to that? I saw that in practice.” Link
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http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/...-injury-layoff/Browns notes: Barton has new appreciation of football after injury layoff Filed by Scott Petrak August 6th, 2010 in Browns Notes. http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/category/sports/browns-notes/ BEREA — The last time fans saw linebacker Eric Barton in uniform, he was being helped off Chicago’s Soldier Field with what turned out to be a season- ending neck injury. After surgery and about nine months, Barton was ready to go at the start of training camp last week. He took snaps with the first-team defense Wednesday and Thursday and is in the middle of the 12-man linebacker competition. “I’m feeling a lot better than that,” he joked, referring to the Bears game. “I’m anxious to get out there and play again.” Barton hasn’t been limited during camp, which wasn’t a given following delicate surgery involving a bulging disc and vertebrae. “You never know,” he said. “It puts things in perspective, really, how much this game means to you and things like that. “Yeah, it was scary. But I fought through it and did what I had to do.” Barton started the first eight games last year and was leading the team with 58 tackles when he got hurt. He’s 32 years old and has played 11 years in the NFL. After the neck injury, questions about retirement seem logical. “When you’re injured, you have so much time that you fill your head with all these thoughts,” he said. “But I love football, I love my teammates, I want to compete. “I just come out here and try to enjoy every day and take it for what it’s worth. When you’re out you take it into perspective how much you miss this game and your teammates and your coaches.” Barton didn’t practice Wednesday night, choosing to take the session off after winning an offseason award. Tight end Benjamin Watson and defensive back Mike Adams cashed in their certificates Thursday. “They are non-transferable,” coach Eric Mangini said. “You can’t sell them, and there have been some big offers for those.” Jake’s OK  Anyone watching the first week of training camp has seen several interceptions by quarterback Jake Delhomme. The trend continued Thursday, which isn’t welcome news after he threw 18 picks in 11 games for Carolina last season. Defensive end Robaire Smith started practice by intercepting a tipped pass. Cornerback Eric Wright intercepted Delhomme as he threw deep into double coverage for Brian Robiskie. Safety Abram Elam cut in front of Robiskie in the front of the end zone for a pick. Mangini doesn’t like the interceptions, but has also seen his share of good play from Delhomme, who formed a nice connection with tight end Robert Royal on Thursday, including a touchdown over the middle. “I really like what I’ve seen from Jake,” Mangini said. “I think he’s done an excellent job. “What I like that I see consistently from him is there’s the offensive plays and then there’s the answers within the plays to problems that come up and he gets to those answers and he gets to them quickly and it’s encouraging. It’s really encouraging.” On the nose There’s been a lot of speculation about nose tackle Shaun Rogers moving to end so the Browns can get him and nose tackle Ahtyba Rubin on the field at the same time. Mangini said Rogers will work at both end spots when he returns to practice, but wouldn’t give up the nose tackle spot. Rogers is out as he recovers from a broken leg suffered late last season. “I don’t think it’s Shaun playing exclusively outside,” Mangini said of the team’s plans. “I just think it’s another thing that we can do and it’s another way that we can build in depth and build in versatility. It’s not that he wouldn’t play at the nose tackle position.” Injury report Punter Dave Zastudil was scheduled to fly back to town Thursday night and return to practice today. He had offseason surgery to repair a torn patellar tendon in his right (non-kicking) knee and visited the doctor this week to get it checked. Mangini dismissed the notion of having Zastudil start camp on the physically unable to perform list, and said the doctor visit was standard operating procedure. “When we looked at it and where he was in his rehab and the amount of work that he had done, we felt good about it,” he said. “It’s not a spike or anything different in the progression.” Mangini didn’t give any details, but said reserve cornerback Chris Roberson will miss at least a couple of weeks after being carted off Wednesday with a serious leg injury. Receiver Chansi Stuckey left practice with what appeared to be an ankle injury. He was trying to make a catch in the end zone and didn’t return to action. He stayed on the field and was limping slightly after practice. Fullback Lawrence Vickers returned to practice, while running back Peyton Hillis (leg) and linebacker Titus Brown were held out. Brownie bits  The variety of plays the Browns run out of the Wildcat formation continues to grow. Joshua Cribbs took the snap and threw a receiver screen to backup quarterback Seneca Wallace, who scored behind a great block from rookie receiver Johnathan Haggerty.  As Wallace was navigating the 5 yards into the end zone, he yelled, “Good block, Hags.” Robiskie’s excellent camp hit a speed bump with a couple of dropped passes, one short and one long. Tony Pashos and Floyd Womack worked as right tackle and right guard with the starters, as the coaches continued to rotate the candidates. Extra points President Mike Holmgren is out of his orange cast and into a big boot. He remained in a golf cart and on a scooter, as he isn’t supposed to put weight on the surgically repaired foot. The Browns and Subway Restaurants of Northeast Ohio announced a partnership for all preseason and regular-season home games. Coupons for $5 off tickets in the Family Zone are available at Subways. The limit is eight per person. A Browns Backers night will be held today at Swings-N-Things Family Fun Park in Olmsted Township from 4-10:30. Former Browns, including Kevin Mack, Al Baker and Antwan Peek, are scheduled to attend. Passes are available at the gate or online for a reduced price at www.sntfun.com. Thursday at Browns camp NEWS OF THE DAY: NFL commissioner Roger Goodell visited camp. He watched practice with president Mike Holmgren, then met with fans and media. He discussed the uncertain labor situation, and said his office hasn’t reached a decision on possible discipline for Browns defensive linemen Shaun Rogers and Robaire Smith. CAMPER OF THE DAY: Quarterback Seneca Wallace. There’s no quarterback controversy brewing, but Wallace has looked sharper than starter Jake Delhomme through five days of camp. Wallace completed a deep post to Joshua Cribbs, a short corner route to Cribbs for a touchdown and caught a screen pass from Cribbs and ran it in. PLAY OF THE DAY: Defensive end Robaire Smith has played 10 NFL seasons without an interception. He got one on the first play of practice. Delhomme’s pass was tipped, and Smith came down with the free ball. QUOTE OF THE DAY: “I’m glad he’s taking this trip. People talk about this being a P.R. stunt. On one hand it is, but it’s good he’s coming out, because we have a lot of questions that we need answered.” — Linebacker Scott Fujita, on the visit from Goodell. POINT OF INTEREST: An NFL officiating crew worked the practice. They are in town through Saturday and will meet with the coaches, players and media. TODAY’S SCHEDULE: A single practice, from 1:30-3:30 p.m. The Browns will hold a Family Day scrimmage at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Saturday at 1 p.m. Contact Scott Petrak at 329-7253 or [Email]spetrak@chroniclet.com.[/Email]
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... " and said his office hasn’t reached a decision on possible discipline for Browns defensive linemen Shaun Rogers and Robaire Smith."
Why ... How long can it take .. A bunch of BS..
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Why ... How long can it take .. A bunch of BS..
Do you know what goes into making a decision like this?
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Why ... How long can it take .. A bunch of BS..
Do you know what goes into making a decision like this?
I don't but it can't be that damn complicated. I just don't think it's been a priority ,which shows some disrespect to the Browns organization IMO.
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Joshua Cribbs took the snap and threw a receiver screen to backup quarterback Seneca Wallace, who scored behind a great block from rookie receiver Johnathan Haggerty. As Wallace was navigating the 5 yards into the end zone, he yelled, “Good block, Hags.”
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Nope  Seriously , either they are guilty of an NFL infraction or not ... The punishment is " Blank " ... The season is upon the Team , it needs to make decisions .. I find the delay inexcusable ... 
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Why ... How long can it take .. A bunch of BS..
Do you know what goes into making a decision like this?
I don't but it can't be that damn complicated. I just don't think it's been a priority ,which shows some disrespect to the Browns organization IMO.
well, I can think of a couple of things that might make it worth while to not jump in too quickly..
First and foremost, I think they may have had to negotiate the penalty with the NFLPA. I DO NOT mean you need thier permission or even agreement, but what value is an elongated court battle .. it's better to have them in agreement with you before you impose the penalty.
Given that that the NFLPA and the NFL aren't on the very best of solid ground at the moment, that might be more difficult than we see..
Speaking of that,, the NFL is in discussions with the NFLPA for a new CBA..
Then there is the other thought I had.. the more you make them wait, the more they squirm... the more they squirm, perhaps the less likely they make dumb mistakes again..
All guesses on my part,, I have no idea if any of that comes into play.. that's why I can't make a statement indicating that it's taking too long to make a decision..... I don't know all that goes into it...
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You also set precedence with these decisions...Not to mention you have 500 other things on your plate every day concerning NFL matters....He has people gathering information...sometimes that information is not readily avaialble. Those people have not yet made a recomendation....I would much prefer a thorough process with as much information as possible to make a proper decision rather than one hastily made that sets a bad precedence just because some fans are put out because they feel it is taking too long...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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You also set precedence with these decisions...Not to mention you have 500 other things on your plate every day concerning NFL matters....He has people gathering information...sometimes that information is not readily avaialble. Those people have not yet made a recomendation....I would much prefer a thorough process with as much information as possible to make a proper decision rather than one hastily made that sets a bad precedence just because some fans are put out because they feel it is taking too long...
Yup and another thing that I just saw on STO that Donovan brought up with Goodell, the Commish has to be fair as it relates to the various players like big Ben...
Consistency isn't as easy to achieve as it looks.. yet that's what they gotta do..
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I can't wait for the game when Cribbs throws a TD pass to Wallace, Delhomme throws a TD pass to Cribbs, and Wallace throws a TD pass to MoMass... all in the same game. 
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I can't wait for the game when Cribbs throws a TD pass to Wallace, Delhomme throws a TD pass to Cribbs, and Wallace throws a TD pass to MoMass... all in the same game.
How about MoMass to Delhomme to complete the circle? 
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I'm still waiting for for a fake 55+ yd FG that Dawson takes to the house.  That could be the longest run of all time. I mean in true time, it would take Dawson a good 90 seconds to make that run. 
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I can't wait for the game when Cribbs throws a TD pass to Wallace, Delhomme throws a TD pass to Cribbs, and Wallace throws a TD pass to MoMass... all in the same game.
How about MoMass to Delhomme to complete the circle?
Haha let's skip that one!
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