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Here's what I saw yesterday:
-- Robiskie stood out above all others. He had two back to back touchdowns in the morning practice, one where he went across the field and grabbed the ball in front of Ward. On the other one, he was running a bit of a fade towards the corner of the endzone. He turned around, and caught the ball on a swivel, right over Mike Adams, who actually had really good coverage.
-- Colt looked accurate, but he didn't get much zip on most of his passes. Delhomme was the best looking QB I saw, with pretty good accuracy.
-- It looks like Colt is now the 3rd string QB, with Ratliffe getting most of the grunt work.
-- Pashos was dressed for the afternoon practice, but he didn't participate fully.
-- Hillis didn't participate in the afternoon practice; no idea what his injury is.
-- Veikune and Bowens were the inside backers for the 2nd team defense, with Maiava on third team. Veikune looked strong and ready to hit someone.
-- Massaquoi dropped a ball in the end zone in which Adams interfered, but it still should have been caught.
-- MoMass also seemed to be the most polished route runner on the team.
-- There were a lot of packages with Watson and Moore on the field at the same time. Moore was split out wide or in the slot quite often.
-- T.J. Ward and Abe Elam are the starting safeties. Ward is absolutely jacked.
-- Asante didn't do much. He does sign every autograph with a "God bless" added in.
-- Mack, Steinbach, and JT are always next to eachother talking, especially JT and Steiny.
-- Lauvao spent a lot of time going up to the other linemen and talking to them; he seems anxious to learn.
-- Matt Roth is all business. He doesn't seem to talk often or have much fun.
-- Reinders was awful. He got toasted everytime in the one-on-one drills.
-- Danso is jacked; you can see the potential there.
-- Holmgren stopped to talk, sign autographs and take pictures before the 2nd practice began. He has a bright orange cast on his leg.
-- Daboll looks like a new person. He lost 30 pounds, and shaved his head and facial hair.
-- In a drill - I don't know what it's called - the running back or tight end would try to block the blitzing linebacker. It was a pretty fun drill to watch in itself, because there was actually some contact. But it got awesome when the players started getting pumped up. Royal got beat by Benard, but then they squared off again. Both the lienbackers and the offensive players were yelling and getting pumped up, but Vickers was especially noticeable. He was up in Royal's face screaming. Royal drove Benard 5-10 yards off the ball, only to be mobbed by the offensive players. Next, Roth wanted a piece of Royal. All the players were again getting into it, with Roth screaming. It was basically a stalemate, with neither player losing an inch. It was nice to see Roth actually talking and getting pumped though.
-- Fujita didn't do much in the pass rushing drills.
-- No one got anywhere against JT.
-- Haden seems to be the nickel corner now, as he spent most of his time as the left corner on the second team defense.
-- Rubin pushed Mack around on one play. Mixed feelings there.
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-- In a drill - I don't know what it's called - the running back or tight end would try to block the blitzing linebacker. It was a pretty fun drill to watch in itself, because there was actually some contact. But it got awesome when the players started getting pumped up. Royal got beat by Benard, but then they squared off again. Both the lienbackers and the offensive players were yelling and getting pumped up, but Vickers was especially noticeable. He was up in Royal's face screaming. Royal drove Benard 5-10 yards off the ball, only to be mobbed by the offensive players. Next, Roth wanted a piece of Royal. All the players were again getting into it, with Roth screaming. It was basically a stalemate, with neither player losing an inch. It was nice to see Roth actually talking and getting pumped though.
thanks for the notes.
this drill sounds like the "Oklahoma Drill"
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Forgot to add this: Haden looked good in coverage (minus one play where he held) and is incredibly physical. Sheldon Brown is going to help him out a lot, I think.
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-- Rubin pushed Mack around on one play. Mixed feelings there.
Could you expand on what you mean by mixed feelings?
Nice writeup btw. Keep them coming.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Could you expand on what you mean by mixed feelings?
Nice writeup btw. Keep them coming.
pretty sure he means it's great to see Rubin push around an OC, but not so great to see our OC pushed around 
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Reinders was awful. He got toasted everytime in the one-on-one drills.
Good. If he was even semi-decent at this point, with his potential, we likely wouldn't be able to stash him on the PS.
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Ward is absolutely jacked.
As in, he's just really into it... or do you mean something else? Is he looking like a real player?
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It's hard to judge the linebackers too much without contact, but he seemed a lot better than last year. Seemed quicker and like he was thinking less.
By saying Ward is jacked, I mean buff. He has huge arms and pecs, etc.
Unfortunately, Rish, I won't be able to keep the reports coming as I'm back home now. My dad and I may make the 3 hour drive sometime yet this summer, but who knows.
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From Deep Quote:
Veikune and Bowens were the inside backers for the 2nd team defense, with Maiava on third team. Veikune looked strong and ready to hit someone.
Hope that helps.
Now, does anyone know what Jack means?
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Nope, that didn't help at all.... but had you scrolled down one more post, you'd see that Deep already answered it all 
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Now, does anyone know what Jack means?
No, we don't know jack.
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Thanks for posting these DT. Every report seems to say that Robo has really improved, I hope it translates on the field.
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Thanks a lot for the report, DT.
I saw another article by one of the local writers about that drill. Seemed like everyone was getting into it.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I didn't see it because I took forever to write that short post. My dog attacked me...
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I am going back up to Trainging camp on Aug. 16th for the 1:30-3:30 practice,,, so I will write up what I see for that one.... in the mean time keep these coming EVERYDAY because its what WE see that fuels our optimism(sp).....
someone said earlier that there is a different vibe about this camp amd I went sat night and sun and they are correct this team is PLAYING practicing hard and HITTING..... most of all they are HUSTLING to the next drills somethinf I havent seen in 4 out of 5 years ( had to miss a year )
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Is your dogs name Jack? Or is he a Jack Russel?
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Deep, thanks for the updates. Love it when posters share with everyone what they saw.
Any chance you can expand on what you saw with Reinders? Does he look hopeless or just inexperienced?
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Thanks for the info from TC, DT. I really do appreciate the way you guys give high quality info for those of us who are totally out of touch with Cleveland media sources. Besides, I prefer the reporting you do to what comes from the pro's in media land, anyway!
Thanks again!
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I thought he looked pretty hopeless, but it's hard to say. His feet were incredibly slow and he just got toasted around the edge.
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I thought he looked pretty hopeless, but it's hard to say. His feet were incredibly slow and he just got toasted around the edge.
FYI, Deep, he asked about Reinders, not St. Clair.
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I thought he looked pretty hopeless, but it's hard to say. His feet were incredibly slow and he just got toasted around the edge.
I thought quick feet were what everyone was praising about him.
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I thought he looked pretty hopeless, but it's hard to say. His feet were incredibly slow and he just got toasted around the edge.
I thought quick feet were what everyone was praising about him.
I seem to remember that also.. something about he played Hockey and basketball for years and developed good footwork?
Color me confused 
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.. " Color me confused " ... Yep... I read the same article ... 
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From the Reinders thread:
"I like him," coach Eric Mangini said Monday. "He's really big, athletic. He's holding his own. He doesn't have a lot of experience, so he's fighting that a little bit. He gets a little better each practice. With his limited exposure to playing and the continued coaching that he gets, we will see some nice jumps. Early on, I'm really pleased with what he's done."
This is a way of saying that he is extremely raw. Remember that having good footwork in hockey/basketball/Canadian college is not the same as having NFL footwork. All of that stuff has to be practiced, learned, and made habit.
Remember when the rage was for NFL players to study dance, karate, and other things to improve their coordination, balance, etc. These are some of the most graceful and powerful athletes in the world, and they want every edge they can find. Lynn Swann even took ballet.
The good thing is that the difference between good and bad footwork is very small. Sometimes it can be a simple matter of a guy fighting himself by overthinking what he needs to do. Of course, the small difference between bad and great is also one of the largest chasms for an NFL prospect to cross. It can really be the difference between a RT who is out of the league in a year or 2 and a premier LT.
I would be astonished if Reinders makes the team. It would seem that practice squad would be in his future. I do think that he could develop into something down the road ...... and I do worry that someone else will sign him if he does wind uo going that route.
Of course, that is way down the road.
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If he's this raw, I've got to believe that we should have little problem stashing him on the practice squad. Unless he were to make some major jumps, I just don't see anyone giving up a roster spot on their 53 for him.
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Here is the actual article I was referring too.. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/08/cleveland_browns_taking_a_long.html Quote:
BEREA, Ohio -- In a now-famous YouTube video that has produced more than a half-million views, Joel Reinders smashes defenders like bugs on a windshield.
The 21/2-minute video is a highlight reel of Reinders' one full season at Canada's University of Waterloo in Oakville, Ontario, hastily requested by agent Gil Scott to attract NFL interest.
"I was bigger than everybody, so I stood out," said the Browns' rookie offensive tackle prospect. "The biggest guy I played against was probably 6-3, 250."
At 6-7 and 320 pounds, Reinders still stands out as one of the biggest players at Browns camp. But he's got a few teammates on the defensive side who can look him in the eye, such as rookie linemen Clifton Geathers (6-7, 300) and Kwaku Danso (6-5, 336).
"It's not anything I'm used to," Reinders said. "Off the field, it's uncommon for me to run into someone like that. Now I'm literally running into them every play."
Reinders' size and surname (it's pronounced RINE-ders) has made him an instant curiosity among spectators early in camp.
"Robert Royal calls me the Big Reindeer," Reinders said. "Coaches say I have a lot of potential because of my size."
As an undrafted free agent signed to fill out the team's rookie camp, Reinders already has survived two roster cuts. He is one of seven undrafted players -- among 10 originally signed -- to advance to training camp.
"I like him," coach Eric Mangini said Monday. "He's really big, athletic. He's holding his own. He doesn't have a lot of experience, so he's fighting that a little bit. He gets a little better each practice. With his limited exposure to playing and the continued coaching that he gets, we will see some nice jumps. Early on, I'm really pleased with what he's done."
All of which is not that surprising to Scott, who long ago cornered the NFL market on Canadian players.
"Yeah, he's a long shot considering that he played, what, 11/2 years at a Canadian school," Scott said. "But I've had a number of guys over the years, and guys with his size and athletic ability every team wants."
Reinders went to Waterloo on a basketball scholarship. He switched to football his third year. He played eight games at right tackle in his career. Scott discovered Reinders at the Canadian league's evaluation camp -- the CFL equivalent of the NFL combine -- just 20 days before the NFL draft.
"I compared his times to those at the NFL combine and he would be third or fourth in all of them," Scott said. "He was thinking of the CFL. I told his parents I think I can get him in the NFL. You just can't find guys 6-7 and 310 with his athletic ability."
Reinders grew up playing hockey and basketball, so that accounts for quick feet uncommon for a tackle his size.
Scott emailed the link of Reinders' highlight video and also that of his E-Camp workouts to NFL teams. Three wanted to sign him after the draft, and he chose the Browns, who seemed most interested.
Despite already being signed by the Browns, Reinders was drafted in the CFL's second round by Toronto.
"He would've been the first player taken in the CFL draft if he hadn't already signed," Scott said.
Reinders said it would have "blown me away" to know two years ago that he would eventually be competing in an NFL camp. He compared the level of play at Waterloo to that of a Division III American college football program. But he thinks he's tasted enough of the NFL to believe "I can do this."
Reinders has gotten more reps with the second team at right tackle because projected starter Tony Pashos has been out with cold symptoms.
"Rookie camp was something else. I definitely struggled with that, just because I'm not used to the amount of plays," he said.
"Now I'm learning a lot from Floyd [Womack] and John [St. Clair] and Tony [Pashos], when he's in. Eric Steinbach actually has really helped me out in meetings. I sit right behind him and if I make a mistake he kind of turns around and whispers a little something about my technique or something. Then seeing Joe Thomas every day in the film room is something else. He's almost robotic the way he moves."
For someone with so little exposure to the game, every day is a learning experience. Reinders is particularly looking forward to the Browns' exhibition opener at fabled Lambeau Field in Green Bay on Aug. 14.
"I've never actually been to an NFL game before, so that will be my first," he said.
I put the section I was referring to in Red..
Not saying that this writer is correct and Deep threat is wrong... I don't know actually.. Just contrary reports is all I'm saying...
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I understand that. My point was that a man can have "quick feet" in certain regards, and still be slow by NFL standards.
This can be the result of not yet having mastered technique, inexperience, uncertainty, or any of a hundred other factors.
The reporter attributed Reinder's quick feet to a particular part of his background. Again though, what a reporter sees as quick feet might not be what NFL quick feet are.
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Gotcha,,,,, 
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I understand that. My point was that a man can have "quick feet" in certain regards, and still be slow by NFL standards.
This can be the result of not yet having mastered technique, inexperience, uncertainty, or any of a hundred other factors.
The reporter attributed Reinder's quick feet to a particular part of his background. Again though, what a reporter sees as quick feet might not be what NFL quick feet are.
You can be as fleet of foot as any man who ever lived and it won't mean a thing when you start having to learn to block like an NFL lineman. Basically, this guy went from a level of play that would be scorned in some Ohio High Schools and made the jump to the pros. He's bound to look like a stumbling fool for a while. His physical gifts are going to take a back seat to him being forced to think about everything.
He's a long shot and probably will be fortunate to see the practice squad this year. No way does he see the field during the regular season. Wait till next year on this one. If he lasts that long.
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Yeah, I was just wondering if Deep could pick out if he was just looking raw, or hopeless. Maybe I should be more specific about hopeless. In his youtube videos, he was looking a little slow to my (very) untrained eye. Articles have been mentioning his quick feet, and also that he's played hockey and basketball.
In hockey, you can have the quickest feet in the world, but if you have a crappy stride (no power) you aren't going to get anywhere very fast on the ice. I assume the same basic principle holds for football (and any sport, for that matter).
Hopefully it's just a matter of figuring out what to do with those quick feet.
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Yep, you can also have the quickest feet in the world but if your mind is still getting adjusted to the game then your feet are only going to move as fast as your mind tells them to. We should just back off and stop hyperanalyzing the kid and let him work out and play and we'll revisit later...
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I'm definitely pulling for the guy. I think I tend to pull for these long-shot guys more than the better-established guys. It's just that if a guy that's built like a Danso or a Reinders can figure the game out, they would be unstoppable.
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We should just back off and stop hyperanalyzing the kid and let him work out and play and we'll revisit later...
So I see your new to the board.
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Well, lets see here.. according to the camp schedule, we have an afternoon practice today from 130 - 330. Hopefully someone can step up and fill us in on what all happened.
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We should just back off and stop hyperanalyzing the kid and let him work out and play and we'll revisit later...
I second that. Keep coming here expecting to see new camp reports, and all I get is this drivel about a guy that probably won't make the team.
REFS, HELP! Please delete this and delete or move all the other unrelated stuff.
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It's very possible that I was wrong. I was just watching from a distance and saw him get toasted around the edge. He seemed slow, but again, I didn't have an incredible view.
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It's very possible that I was wrong. I was just watching from a distance and saw him get toasted around the edge. He seemed slow, but again, I didn't have an incredible view.
I completly understand and I wasn't questioning what you saw,, I was just saying that there were conflicting reports.. But like DC said, it's way to early to worry about this kid...
But thank you for your report,, it's really cool to have guys visit and write what they saw...
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
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