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Not replying directly too you Daman, just wanted everyone to know that the NFL Network Radio show "moving the chains" on Sirius/XM is spending the whole show in the Browns today and are actually at the camp.
So far very high things to say about our DB's and LB's, not very high on our recievers. TJ Ward is getting some pretty good reviews, even from Jake Delhomme. Jake also spoke glowingly about Hardesty.
Joe Thomas and Eric Wright are getting ready to come on.
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Thats not really true,Cribbs did struggle as a UDFA rookie, there were questions on whther he was even going to make the team. He was very raw,but his athleticism stood out.If you remember he took that long term contract for not very much per year because of the fact that it wasnt even for sure if he was going to be able to make the jump to be a NFL wide reciever.
Whats really great,is Cribbs is still a work in progress.
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Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Cribbs has developed a special skill that you don't really draft players for.. if he was trying to make his way in the NFL strictly as a QB he'd be gone.. strictly as a WR he'd be struggling... but as a return man he is a class with very few others... most UDFA's aren't going to do that.. they are going to be competing for a position and hope to play special teams....
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Thats not really true,Cribbs did struggle as a UDFA rookie, there were questions on whther he was even going to make the team. He was very raw,but his athleticism stood out.If you remember he took that long term contract for not very much per year because of the fact that it wasnt even for sure if he was going to be able to make the jump to be a NFL wide reciever.
Whats really great,is Cribbs is still a work in progress.
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I believe that is somewhat incorrect.. Cribbs showed promise in his first camp but was only offered a 1 or 2 year contract.. near or at the end of that first season he got a 6 year deal that was just redone several months ago..
He's now entering his 6th season..
http://www.nfl.com/players/joshcribbs/profile?id=CRI120494
I don't remember hearing he was struggling at all..... In fact, I remember hearing just the opposite.
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Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Cribbs has developed a special skill that you don't really draft players for.. if he was trying to make his way in the NFL strictly as a QB he'd be gone.. strictly as a WR he'd be struggling... but as a return man he is a class with very few others... most UDFA's aren't going to do that.. they are going to be competing for a position and hope to play special teams....
No question about it,.., had he stuck with QBing, he'd not be in the league today.. I think its safe to say that if he'd have been ONLY a WR,, he'd not be in the league today.. or maybe ever...
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Going in another angle....how is Cribbs arm? Is it that bad he rarely passes from the Wildelf packages? Kent isn't in the Big Ten, but he did have some success.
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Going in another angle....how is Cribbs arm? Is it that bad he rarely passes from the Wildelf packages? Kent isn't in the Big Ten, but he did have some success.
he had a worse QB rating than DA or Quinn last year 
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He was a camp favorite of the local fans - we were almost all pulling for him to make it... but he was far, far, far from being a lock to make the team. In fact, pretty much everybody said that Special Teams was his best - if not only - way to make the team.
Do you call that struggling? To an extent, I do.
He excels on ST's like few others in the history of this league... that was his ticket to being in this league and he grabbed onto it and shows no signs of letting it go (Thank God!).
However, had he not done that, there is little doubt in my mind that he'd have been Practice Squad at best, and most likely out of the league a long time ago.
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Going in another angle....how is Cribbs arm? Is it that bad he rarely passes from the Wildelf packages? Kent isn't in the Big Ten, but he did have some success.
As a Kent State fan,let me asnwer that. Cribbs was basically a option,wildcat type QB at Kent State, he was not a pocket passer at all. Also add in that Cribbs has beefed up a bit since coming into the NFL I dont think his arm range of motion is what it even was when he was a Flash.
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Any camp reports from today ???
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Thats not really true,Cribbs did struggle as a UDFA rookie, there were questions on whther he was even going to make the team. He was very raw,but his athleticism stood out.If you remember he took that long term contract for not very much per year because of the fact that it wasnt even for sure if he was going to be able to make the jump to be a NFL wide reciever.
Whats really great,is Cribbs is still a work in progress.
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I believe that is somewhat incorrect.. Cribbs showed promise in his first camp but was only offered a 1 or 2 year contract.. near or at the end of that first season he got a 6 year deal that was just redone several months ago..
He's now entering his 6th season..
http://www.nfl.com/players/joshcribbs/profile?id=CRI120494
I don't remember hearing he was struggling at all..... In fact, I remember hearing just the opposite.
He struggled mightily in becomng a viable WR in NFL, he showed great promise as return guy/special teamer, and you are right he signed a one or two year deal to begin with and then signed the long term deal as KR/PR/STer. He took that deal because there were a lot of questions of whether he would ever be anymore than a great STer in the NFL. This was all pre wildcat package for him. Once he showed his value in the offensive scheme he started wanting the contract that he has now.
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UDFA types are likely to struggle the mightiest at the start of training camp, because they went undrafted for a reason.
Could be size, or speed, or strength, or playing time in college, or lack of experience in an NFL translatable environment .....
But the bottom line is that they are now not only going up against other inexperienced players, but also seasoned professionals. It would be a minor miracle if they didn't struggle, especially at the outset of camp.
Seems as if the only one I can think of in recent times that didn't struggle much is Cribbs... But I think we can all agree, he's a special guy...
Actually, special teams are the one area where speed, desire, and shiftiness are bigger assets than experience at a big time program.
Cribbs still struggles mightily as a receiver.
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I haven't seen Cribbs "mightily" struggle at WR...
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Then you haven't really watched him. Last year was the first year that he wasn't terrible at it.
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Do you call that struggling? To an extent, I do.
Hmm, not really. Just because he was pushed towards STs doesn't mean much other than that's what the powers to be at the Browns thought was best for him. he really never struggled as a STer..
If he'd have tried to stick with QB,, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have made it out of that first camp...
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Going in another angle....how is Cribbs arm? Is it that bad he rarely passes from the Wildelf packages? Kent isn't in the Big Ten, but he did have some success.
he had a worse QB rating than DA or Quinn last year
Wow, then he must have had a negative rating then because those two were awful!
And ya kingodawg, he has beefed up a lot. Actually, he's freaking jacked now. Makes sense.
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I believe if a poll were taken from all the scouts around the league, the guy who'd get the most votes as the best all-around special-teamer in the game would be Cribbs. He also runs very well out of the Wildcat. A real weapon on any team, and I'm damned glad Savage got him. But Cribbs as a thrower out of the Wildcat? Pathetic. As a receiver? Decidedly inferior. He couldn't produce on a team where he had nobody challenging him for time. That's a nice way of saying we had the worst group of receivers in the league, so he had plenty of chances. Hell, he had 12 starts, but caught 20 balls? 
Cribbs is a great player, and in the things he does best, he is the best, but unless it's a gimmick play, he needs to not take necessary playing time from other actual young receivers. Furthermore, he got pounded at times because he doesn't possess natural instincts for receiving or even self-preservation.
Sometimes maximizing a players value comes not from putting him on the field at all times, but rather in getting maximum production by not forcing the issue. Point of diminishing returns and all that jazz.
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Then you haven't really watched him. Last year was the first year that he wasn't terrible at it.
Actually, he was horrible at WR last year. He averaged 6.8 yards/catch, and had 3 or 4 legitimate drops last year. He only had 20 catches despite starting 12 games. You have to work really hard to be that bad. lol
Great wildcat guy .... great returner ..... great gunner ....... horrible receiver.
He's not doing too well in early camp reports at WR either.
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I appreciate the discussion on the players, but I'm going to lock this thread since it's supposed to be about personal camp observations.
If you guys want to join in the other threads about Reinders or talk about Cribbs somewhere else, that would be best.
Thanks for understanding.
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