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Ryan Pontbriand's "lack" of impact is pretty impressive.
Yeah, not losing games because of a bad snap is overrated.
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Just about anyone on the team....and I'm loving it. No qb controversies, no soap operas, no crybabies, no egos......nothing but a bunch of players concentrating on their jobs. No news is great news. What a pleasant scenario for a change! 
No question,, I'm seeing it the same Jfan.....
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Eric Steinbach,
After years of neglecting the OL. He was the start of recovery from that group. Some folks want to replace him every year. I think they forget how pathetic our OL was before we started on the road to recover with ES.
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After years of neglecting the OL. He was the start of recovery from that group. Some folks want to replace him every year. I think they forget how pathetic our OL was before we started on the road to recover with ES.
Hey,, some folks want to replace Dawson every year also... how freakin crazy is that?
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After years of neglecting the OL. He was the start of recovery from that group. Some folks want to replace him every year. I think they forget how pathetic our OL was before we started on the road to recover with ES.
Hey,, some folks want to replace Dawson every year also... how freakin crazy is that?
It certainly is crazy. I can understand why he wants a new contract, after how RAC & CO. treated the man.
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Eric Wright. I think he's one of the most underrated corners, not just by our own fanbase but in the entire NFL. I loved that interview he did recently when he spoke of possibly playing in tonights game. It came off like the kind of interview a locker room leader would make. He praised his teammates, he praised the system. I think he's going to cement himself as our #1 CB.
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It certainly is crazy. I can understand why he wants a new contract, after how RAC & CO. treated the man.
OK, refresh my memory. Other than bringing in other kickers to take a look at (which happens in almost every NFL TC) how was Phil treated "badly"?
He's a good kicker and is probably underrated as far as the rest of the NFL goes but he is getting to the age where you wonder when his production is gonna drop off.
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It certainly is crazy. I can understand why he wants a new contract, after how RAC & CO. treated the man.
OK, refresh my memory. Other than bringing in other kickers to take a look at (which happens in almost every NFL TC) how was Phil treated "badly"?
He's a good kicker and is probably underrated as far as the rest of the NFL goes but he is getting to the age where you wonder when his production is gonna drop off.
I have to admit,, I don't know what was meant by him being treated badly by Phil and RAC either..
But the second comment you made about him getting to an age where you have to wonder,,, geesh man, that's been said about him since 2005 when people were adament about wanting him replaced...
I guess if it keeps being said year after year, at some point, it's going to be true.. But I don't think it's true at this point..
he deserves a new contract.. and unless he falls apart this year, I see him getting one.
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It certainly is crazy. I can understand why he wants a new contract, after how RAC & CO. treated the man.
OK, refresh my memory. Other than bringing in other kickers to take a look at (which happens in almost every NFL TC) how was Phil treated "badly"?
He's a good kicker and is probably underrated as far as the rest of the NFL goes but he is getting to the age where you wonder when his production is gonna drop off.
How about the lack of confidence in not allowing Dawson to attempt FG's over 48 yards.
Also he has never been awarded the contract he deserves imo and that includes the current regime.
Phil Dawson is also underrated as far as TB % and RAC talked about keeping another body around for that propose.
I think a more imported factor is hang time and keeping them from reaching the 20 yard line 
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He's a good kicker and is probably underrated as far as the rest of the NFL goes but he is getting to the age where you wonder when his production is gonna drop off.
He is getting to that age, the problem is some people had him at that age 5 years ago.
I don't know that he's treated "badly" but I think he should be paid like a top 10 kicker in the NFL.... also there is a contingent of fans every year that I can remember that wanted him replaced, but then darn near every player on the roster has a contingent of fans that don't appreciate their importance and don't care if they walk.. so I guess it depends a lot on who you listen to..
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Phil is a good kicker. But on here his status has risen to almost mythic proportions.
Simply put.....he's a kicker. He's doesn't have the same standing as a #1 WR or a monster DE or, God forbid around here, a really good QB.
So if that is the case, and all those positions go through competition almost every year, why shouldn't a kicker?
I see no reason not to give him a new contract. But I also don't see it as an insult if they're not in a rush to do so. It's a business and if 2 different groups of front office people don't see giving him a big raise as a priority then maybe it really isn't priority-worthy.
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I would say how terrible Veikune as the teams second round pick from last yr hasn't been talked about enough.
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I would say how terrible Veikune as the teams second round pick from last yr hasn't been talked about enough.
Considering he has yet to play, I'd say that's a pretty hilarious comment.
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He's doesn't have the same standing as a #1 WR or a monster DE or, God forbid around here, a really good QB.
So if that is the case, and all those positions go through competition almost every year, why shouldn't a kicker?
You wouldn't have competition at those positions if you were solid. Phil is solid, period. We shouldn't try to fix what isn't broken.
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Phil is a good kicker. But on here his status has risen to almost mythic proportions.
What he did in the blizzard against Buffalo was mythic. 
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I wonder how Vickers grades as far as carrying out each assignment. I would expect quite high. What I see is a man that takes his LB and the occasional Safety out of the play. The west coast offense typically looks to take advantage of mismatches with tosses to the FB. Vick is at the ready as far as I'm concerned.
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Ryan Pontbriand's "lack" of impact is pretty impressive.
Yeah, not losing games because of a bad snap is overrated.
'Peen was saying it was impressive about how Pontbriand never screws up (i.e. never gets noticed)
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But on here his status has risen to almost mythic proportions.
the dude recovered an onside kick, made several other successful onside kicks, has never been afraid to make a tackle and has made many clutch kicks (many in horrendous conditions).
i mean, i agree that kicker isn't the most crucial position but Dawson has earned much of that mythical status.
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i mean, i agree that kicker isn't the most crucial position but Dawson has earned much of that mythical status.
Only because most of the time the rest of the team stinks.
Honestly, if we had a Manning-like QB we probably wouldn't even know Phil's name.
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i mean, i agree that kicker isn't the most crucial position but Dawson has earned much of that mythical status.
Only because most of the time the rest of the team stinks.
Honestly, if we had a Manning-like QB we probably wouldn't even know Phil's name.
Noone in NE knows Viniatieri's name afterall 
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If we had a better QB with a better offense, more people would know Phil's name because he would be kicking more game winners in more important games that people care about.... Instead of most of his game winners have been to get us to 3-10 as we beat another team thats 3-10.. so unless he bounces if off the Dawson bar, nobody even cares.
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I'll go with DQ...guy gets trashed way too much around here. Yes, he's just an AVG 34 ILB but that makes him instantly better than the other guys trying to play that spot. He's our best LB against the pass and again he's just AVG at that but Bowens, Trusnik and the other bumbling bums are simply pathetic covering the short stuff....then there's Rubin, solid NT prospect
Most overrated has to be Gocong...guy has done absolutely nothing in Philly and here now...we better hope DQ plays instead of him...oh and MoMass, so overrated around here and media it's laughable...are you watching the games?
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oh and MoMass, so overrated around here and media it's laughable
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Massaquoi isn't talked about enough.
If you are going to say how great Dawson is, then you should at least recognize Dave Zastudil for his past 10 or so years and that he didn't ever have a punt blocked. I think I saw at least twice where he seemed to change the angle of a kick in the last half second to avoid a blocked punt.
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I'll go with DQ...guy gets trashed way too much around here. Yes, he's just an AVG 34 ILB but that makes him instantly better than the other guys trying to play that spot. He's our best LB against the pass and again he's just AVG at that but Bowens, Trusnik and the other bumbling bums are simply pathetic covering the short stuff....then there's Rubin, solid NT prospect
Most overrated has to be Gocong...guy has done absolutely nothing in Philly and here now...we better hope DQ plays instead of him...oh and MoMass, so overrated around here and media it's laughable...are you watching the games?
Wow, Amazing, I mostly agree with you. DQ gets trashed plenty. Momass you would think is the next great one. The rookie wr, great speed suspect hands...that still applies..doubt he makes the team. Maybe on the practice team yet I would save that for rookies with PROMISE. I think BMac get a real bad rap as he had absolutely NO SAFETY help last year. He will be a great dime CB and will move back up once Sheldon hangs em up.
I also Agree I saw NOTHING from Gocong..the trade looks like Sheldon brown for a 4th and a 5th...pretty even as Gocong and our LB we traded to them seem to be a wash. Also I saw NOTHING from Veikune...Practice squad for him. Wow that was a great trade..Winslow for Veikune. Also Robiskie looks SLOW, Stuckie shows just as good hands and Better speed...another wasted pick...Thank God Mangini is no longer making Trades.
In fact Herock and Holmgren deserve a lot of credit for relieving Mangini of his duties in trading and are proving far more capable.( Teachers pet Jet LBERS may not make the team as well)We added two vets.Fujita looks pretty good yet GoCong may be a Gong show Lber.
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I also Agree I saw NOTHING from Gocong..
Ryan Grant (and his concussion) disagrees.
Gocong's main issue is the same that plagues our LB corps. outside of Maiava and D'Qwell we have no speed in them and those two don't have size.
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I agree about DQ... not just because he is a Terp but I have defended him.. in fact I've probably defended him LESS than I would normally because I know people will accuse me of bias.. I think DQ is above average, I've said that since the day we drafted him.. I said he would probably never be great but he could be a good solid piece of our defense for a long time... I'm still standing by that. In fact I think my exact words were "I hope someday soon that DQ is our weakest link and needs replaced because that would mean the rest of our defense was pretty darn good."
Gocong isn't as good as DQ.. I disagree on Momass only in that this thread is about expectations and I think Momass is ultimately a #2, I never really considered him to be out ultimate big threat option. I am anxious to see him with some improved QB play though.. I think the combination of a rookie OC, real poor QB play, and no other options made it hard to grade any individuals last year.. so I've personally given him an Incomplete so far as to whether he's overrated.
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