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Mostly because he isn't our problem anymore! 
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SunDawg, I think it makes a big difference as far as his punishment and how many games the Steelers will have with Ben @ QB.
With their bye week in week 5 he will miss no more than the 4 games that he is suspended for so instead of him missing a game after his suspension he will have two weeks to practice for us and not have to miss any more games.
So yes I think it works in their favor, because it's not likely he would start with only one week of practice. That is if his suspension is reduced to 4 games.
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Well .... if you have 2 QBs, you really have none.
The 49ers had Montana and Young on their team at the same time. So does that mean they really had none?
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The 49ers had Montana and Young on their team at the same time. So does that mean they really had none?
I think that would be an exception to the rule.
I think what he [YTown] means is that if you have two guys battling for the starting QB position and neither stand out over the other then you basically could say they still need a QB and would = them having none.
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Oh I agree with you totally and got the point....I was just trying to point out the ONE exception I knew to the rule. Sorry, Thursdays bring out the smartazz in me.
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Oh I agree with you totally and got the point....I was just trying to point out the ONE exception I knew to the rule. Sorry, Thursdays bring out the smartazz in me.
Yeah,..... I thought it was just a miss understanding.
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Brady, Bledsoe. Rivers, Brees. Favre, Rodgers,
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Maybe it should be "if you have two crappy QBs like the Browns have had and nothing better, you really have none."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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The NFL will not suspend Browns DL Shaun Rogers for an offseason arrest involving a concealed weapon at Hopkins International Airport.
The Browns had been expecting a one-game suspension, but the NFL apparently concluded that it was an honest mistake. Rodgers may still miss several games at the beginning of the season while recovering from a broken leg. Ahtyba Rubin has emerged as the Browns' starting nose tackle.
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A little surprised by this, figured a one game suspension was the minimum, but glad they went this way.
Now to see what/if anything Robaire gets.
I have to believe that this was one of those things that any of us, if we own guns, could have happen.. It could be as simple as an honest mistake. Maybe, upon review, they (the league) decided that's all there was to it.
Now, what happens to Smith?
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Brady, Bledsoe. Rivers, Brees. Favre, Rodgers,
There really should be a caveat to that saying that if one of the QBs is of HoF caliber and has a firm grasp on the position then it's ok.. the saying is geared toward those teams that have two "maybe" qbs, two qbs with potential but neither has proven himself, etc...
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Brady, Bledsoe. Rivers, Brees. Favre, Rodgers,
You forgot "Orton, Quinn, Tebow."
Again, me being fiesty. 
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You're missing the context of the quote:
It isn't simply that you have 2 QB's to decide between..... it is if you have 2 QB's, and you can't figure out which one to start - e.g. neither is clearly distinguishing themselves - then you have none.
In every example you provide, one of each pair clearly distinguished himself as the QB, even though the other may have shown that they are quite capable as well.
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Daman, given that Smith has not been in trouble with the League before that I can recall.
I don't foresee him being suspended.
It's unfortunate that in the world we live in that players feel they need to carry, because of them being public figures and all, but the reality I think behooves them to have to carry for self defense.
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The big diff in those scenarios and the one AZ (and formerly us) faces is those were "#1 Vet/Apprentice" situations... the way it's supposed to be done.
The 2QB's = no QB's paradigm is totally appropriate for teams with weak options in either player.
Glad it's AZ's headache and not ours.... finally
*EDIT* Oh... I see after reading the posts following yours, this subject was ably handled without my piling on.
nevermind.....
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Daman, given that Smith has not been in trouble with the League before that I can recall.
I don't foresee him being suspended.
It's unfortunate that in the world we live in that players feel they need to carry, because of them being public figures and all, but the reality I think behooves them to have to carry for self defense.
OH I don't know if he MUST carry.. I suppose it depends one where they are going.
In an airport,, Resturant,, Church,,Grocery Shopping.. car shopping, at the mall.. I just don't see where those places would be a problem to go without a gun..
To a night club.. yeah,, (but at least in Ohio, isn't it illegal to carry a gun where booze is sold?)
Out on the town with your posse, maybe where you might end up in a seedy area.. I can see that as well.. But then, couldn't they just not go to those areas? After all, being a semi celebrity, they are targets and in those areas,, it could get rough.. So, avoiding those locations kinda just makes sense to me..
If you know me at all, you know I'm not opposed to guns.. never have been. .So it's not a gun issue with me so much as it is a responsibility issue. Most gun owners would probably agree with me on that.
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Daman, I totally agree that they both were irresponsible and that carrying a gun comes with responsibilities.
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In an airport,, Resturant,, Church,,Grocery Shopping.. car shopping, at the mall.. I just don't see where those places would be a problem to go without a gun..
To a night club.. yeah,, (but at least in Ohio, isn't it illegal to carry a gun where booze is sold?)
Out on the town with your posse, maybe where you might end up in a seedy area.. I can see that as well.. But then, couldn't they just not go to those areas? After all, being a semi celebrity, they are targets and in those areas,, it could get rough.. So, avoiding those locations kinda just makes sense to me..
If you know me at all, you know I'm not opposed to guns.. never have been. .So it's not a gun issue with me so much as it is a responsibility issue. Most gun owners would probably agree with me on that.
For the most part - airports are illegal to carry in. Churches are legal, IF you have permission from the church. Restaurants are okay UNLESS the serve alcohol (at this point in time - there are people working to get that changed, but if it does get changed, the carrier may NOT have any alcohol), grocery shopping, car shopping, at the mall........anywhere - the store still has a right to display a "No Weapons" sign - and if they do so, you may NOT carry in that store. If they do not have a sign, you can carry.
Now, as to "why carry in the "safe" places...."? I have never heard of a bad guy going to a shooting range to rob anyone, have you?
I have heard of churches being shot up, or of someone going nuts in a mall, and schools, etc.
See, by their very nature, bad guys don't follow the laws...so putting a sign up doesn't deter the bad guy, only the law abiding citizen. If you were hell bent on shooting people, would you go to a place where you know people arent' armed? Or a place where people might be armed? Or a place where people ARE armed?
As for pro athletes carrying - I wouldn't if I was them - well, as long as the know, and abide by the rules, hey, they're just average citizens with a lot of money. They still have the same rights as you or I.
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In an airport,, Resturant,, Church,,Grocery Shopping.. car shopping, at the mall.. I just don't see where those places would be a problem to go without a gun..
To a night club.. yeah,, (but at least in Ohio, isn't it illegal to carry a gun where booze is sold?)
Out on the town with your posse, maybe where you might end up in a seedy area.. I can see that as well.. But then, couldn't they just not go to those areas? After all, being a semi celebrity, they are targets and in those areas,, it could get rough.. So, avoiding those locations kinda just makes sense to me..
If you know me at all, you know I'm not opposed to guns.. never have been. .So it's not a gun issue with me so much as it is a responsibility issue. Most gun owners would probably agree with me on that.
For the most part - airports are illegal to carry in. Churches are legal, IF you have permission from the church. Restaurants are okay UNLESS the serve alcohol (at this point in time - there are people working to get that changed, but if it does get changed, the carrier may NOT have any alcohol), grocery shopping, car shopping, at the mall........anywhere - the store still has a right to display a "No Weapons" sign - and if they do so, you may NOT carry in that store. If they do not have a sign, you can carry.
Now, as to "why carry in the "safe" places...."? I have never heard of a bad guy going to a shooting range to rob anyone, have you?
I have heard of churches being shot up, or of someone going nuts in a mall, and schools, etc.
See, by their very nature, bad guys don't follow the laws...so putting a sign up doesn't deter the bad guy, only the law abiding citizen. If you were hell bent on shooting people, would you go to a place where you know people arent' armed? Or a place where people might be armed? Or a place where people ARE armed?
As for pro athletes carrying - I wouldn't if I was them - well, as long as the know, and abide by the rules, hey, they're just average citizens with a lot of money. They still have the same rights as you or I.
If you find a way to write laws that don't have "what ifs" attached in someway, then that would make you amazing.
But, unfortunatly, to say that you've heard of Malls, schools and Churchs getting shot up and in anyway make that a good reason to carry there,, Well, I can't buy into that thinking.. perfectly ok that you feel that way, but I don't agree at all...
Bottom line,, I never have had nor do I see anyway I will ever have a problem with responsible people carrying a gun...
There was no good reason I can think of for Smith or Rogers carrying a gun in an airport.. so either they are total idiots or they simply made an honest mistake and they each regret it.
For Rogers anyway, that is one expensive lesson learned .... I don't suppose smiths will be any less.
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There's no such thing as an "honest mistake" or an "accident" with firearms. It's either criminal negligence or a deliberate attempt to commit a crime. That's the responsibility one assumes when they own a gun.
Anyhow, I'd like to think they aren't idiots.
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I agree - no good reason at all to be carrying in an airport - for the common citizen (Rogers included).
Other places? Where it is legal? Why not? You never know.
99.9% of the time it's just added weight for the carryer. That tenth of a percent?
If your life were in danger.......would you want to have a weapon that would first of all probably enable you to escape harm? Or would you rely on police protection?
My wife doesn't even know if I'm carrying or not. She asks me daily......... She can't tell by looking at me. My WIFE.
If I screw up and carry somewhere I shouldn't, I should be penalised appropriately. If I carry in an airport, they should take the gun, obviously - and I need to deal with it - the punishment. For something like what Rogers did, jail is not appropriate in my mind.........
We're taking off for the weekend in just a few minutes. Where we are going, no weapons are allowed. Guess what? I'm not taking one.
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There's no such thing as an "honest mistake" or an "accident" with firearms. It's either criminal negligence or a deliberate attempt to commit a crime. That's the responsibility one assumes when they own a gun.
Anyhow, I'd like to think they aren't idiots.
LOL You may be right about no such thing as an "honest Mistake" with Firearms..
My memory on the incident with Rogers was that he put that gun in a bag and forgot it was there. I can see that happening.. not that it's smart or anything, but I could see it happening.
But to me that goes back to being responsible.. No matter how you slice it, forgetting you put your gun in a bag then carrying that bag into an airport isn't being responsible.. not to me anyway...
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Browns take Pro Bowl NT Rogers off PUP list...CLEVELAND -- Even if there was a surprise among the Browns' cuts Saturday, they would have blown it with their timing. The team didn't reveal its roster cuts until three hours after submitting them to the NFL offices, a sign the Browns might be busy working the waiver wire to make more changes to their 53-man squad. The biggest news -- literally -- was that the Browns activated Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers from the physically unable to perform list. Rogers missed all of training camp and the preseason while recovering from a leg injury. Last week, the NFL announced he wouldn't be suspended for an offseason weapons charge and will not have to miss any games. Rogers missed Cleveland's final five games last season after being hurt. The 6-foot-4, 350-pounder didn't play in the preseason last year either, and the Browns hope he can return to anchor their 3-4 defense. The article is longer but the rest is regarding the recent cuts which is already posted in the cuts thread nfl.com
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I'm not sure if this was discussed, but I just want to throw this out there...
Wasn't he caught with the gun AT THE GATE? It's taken me a while to realize this, but he got the gun through security ("Excuse me, but that tube of toothpaste is too large to carry on-board").
Somehow, he got caught at the gate, as in, about to walk on the plane. Doesn't this make it slightly more odd?
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Until I'm proven wrong, I will just assume that he has it in his contract that as long as he is in shape and up to speed on the installs, that he gets to skip camp... so expect to see it next year as well.
And as long as he plays like a beast, I'm perfectly fine with it... if the other players take issue, tell em to play at his level and they too can get it written into their contract.
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its almost like that?
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J/C I predicted this a while back. Last year he did the same thing. What makes me laugh, is I remember when everyone thought he hated Mangini and wanted traded because Mangini didn't talk to him at a party or something. Mangini was made out to be an arse. Yet now after a full season and two camps, it sure looks as if Mangini is coddling him...........wow, what a "Napolean" He's a veteran near the end of his career. He understands his position. He is staying in shape, and will be ready to go for the first game. Sounds to me like Mangini isn't the dictator many make him out to be. Maybe he really is a players coach. At least he seems to respect veterans and understand how to keep them fresh for the season. But as Knight has mentioned, he's ruined this team by not drafting Spiller
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CLEVELAND -- Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers practiced for the time today after missing the entire preseason with a surgically-repaired lower leg. Coach Eric Mangini said "I can see him playing on Sunday'' vs. Tampa in the opener. Rogers was on the field for the first 30 minutes of practice open to the media. Most of the team drills take place after the practice is closed, so it's unknown where he lined up or how much. Mangini made it clear, though, that current starting nose tackle "Ahtyba Rubin has earned the right to play and Rubin will play. He's done an exceptional job.'' Mangini said Rogers can play either nose or end and may rotate in at both. He said his practice time should increase as the week goes along. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/09/cleveland_browns_nosetackle_sh_2.html
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Like most of us have known all along.
Rogers is fine....he is what he is.....a big, strong fat guy who has tremendous strength in short bursts, and almost no stamina.
He isn't going to run very far....like maybe 5-6 feet. He is going to push someone back a foot or two, stand his ground for 3 seconds, then catch his breath.
Shaun is an example of a guy where a training camp would be detrimental to his playing career...it would wear him out before game one.
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I'm hoping we see a lot of him and Rubin together..
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the surprise here is that Mangini said Rogers would play on Sunday- no secrets here- unless he just wants Tampa to think that way and prepair for him- only to see very little action. 
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LOL Or it could be,,, Rogers is just going to play
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DnD,.....They showed him practicing on the 11 pm news last night. So this is no mirage LOL. I think most of us understood that Mangini knows he has to have different sets of rules for starting veterans. Rogers will have two games to get into game shape for Baltimore and should be back to full time by then. Rogers is a guy who makes others around him better.
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Didn't our 4 game win streak happen after he was put on IR?
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Didn't our 4 game win streak happen after he was put on IR?
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I'm worried about Shaun. I hope I'm wrong but I don't forsee him having a good year. Something tells me he's too old and slow to really make a difference. I guess we'll find out soon enough....if he's still getting double-teamed, good, that's freeing up someone behind him. Something tells me he'll be man-to-man in most games.
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