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Again, since Diam ain't posting here, I thought I'd continue his annual "Come one come all" post. For those not familiar with this.. the premise is reasonably simple. What I am asking for is for your season predictions.. I don't want just 8 - 8.. what I want is for you to tell me why.. I want your team analysis, unit by unit.. your take on the leadership.. from Lerner on down lets hear your takes on Holmgren, Mangini, Heckert et al... I want to hear about the Defense from Ryan on down.. the offense from Daboll on down.. I am looking for thoughts on our recent cuts and our new guys and how it all shapes up for your final season predictions. We've seen OTA's, Camp and pre-season.. Lets hear it guys.. I'm headed out the door for Hocking Hills, I'll spend the weekend thinking about my predictions and my reasonings.. Lets keep the fighting to other threads.. no bickering please.. just your predictions girls.  See you Sunday evening. Post your predictions.
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Worst Case: 6-10
Best Case: 7-9
Not much difference between best and worst case for me. I do think 7-9 will be quite an accomplishment with this team. Over the hill QB, no #1 wideout, rookie safety paired with a guy that has no business starting, no speed on D, no playmaker at LB, thin on the DL. Hell, after typing that I may have to adjust my Worst Case.
I had some orange and brown colored glasses on about a month and a half ago. I was thinking this team could compete and be pretty solid. I don't think that anymore. Even if the offense is decent, the D is going to be absolutely terrible. If we were playing in the NFC West like this year's media darlings - the 49ers - I could see 10-6. AFC North, eh ... forget about it. We will once again be the laughing stock of the division.
I am a big Mangini supporter, but I actually despise one aspect of his coaching ... him wanting everyone to be versatile. Just let the guys become experts at their natural positions and let them master those positions without trying to learn everything else. This part of his coaching really pisses me off. Other than that, I think if we stick with him we will eventually see him get this thing turned around with the help of Holmgren and Heckert.
I like the coaching staff, I like the front office, I think we are on the right path. We just have very, very little talent. And until we find a franchise QB, we will continue to be mediocre. It all starts and ends with that position.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I never was one to read directions  So short and sweet I see 5-11 O - at least entertaining sans Quinderson D - Still toast. 
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I think we're a 4 to 6 win team. No WRs, slow LBs, and bad DEs.
But we'll play smart, tough and we won't beat ourselves. Teams that do that win a couple more games than they should. Therefore I see:
7-9
And trending upward for next year.
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I don't post much, and don't have a good explanation for my predictions.
I hope for 8-8. My Butch Davis "gut feeling™" says 6-10.
Can't wait till next Sunday though. Finally football season!
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i don't like to make predictions for the browns, but man, we gotta start off 2-0, it's sitting there calling our name. after the first 2 games, we run a pretty tough gauntlet.
i know when you flip things over to the other side, kansas city and tampa bay both see the browns early on and figure they HAVE to get that one.
but it is there for the taking. the browns can realistically start off 2-0.
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I'm no Miss Cleo so I'll abstain from predicting anything. I'll just say I'd be elated to break even this year.
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Honestly, with my homer glasses off I realistically see as us an "average" team in 2010, which will be a step in the right direction actually. This means most likely 6-8 wins, but if we get hit hard by injury and some guys collectively lay an egg (like our QBs, or our entire front 7 ouch), then four or five wins. If we get lucky, if we gel and can go 3-3 or 4-2 in the division then 10 wins is do-able. Not likely, but it is do-able.
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I see Jake/Seneca completing about 270 passes between them. If our QBs can be around 20/15 in the TD/INT ratio, that'd be more than acceptable.
We won't have a receiver who catches 80-90 balls. We might get a guy who catches 70, but IMO we'll have a handful of guys who catch rack up 40-60 each.
Barring injury, Jerome Harrison will get 1,200, Hillis will rush for less but catch more balls out of the backfield. We will run the football, absolutely. James Davis out of the backfield as a 3rd option isn't a bad option. I like our offensive line a lot. Pork Chop is a pretty good backup, if someone on the right side goes down I'd have no problem with The Big Pork in there.
Bottom line: If Mack really blossoms and the rest of the O-line gels and stays healthy, we might have a pretty good offense.
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The unknown here IMO. How fast will the rookie tandem of Ward/Haden develop? Haden can be brought along slowly because we have Brown and Wright, but Haden HAS to be better than the Hank Poteats and Ralph Browns we trotted out there as 3rd corners in recent seasons.
Our Front 7 is the Over-the-Hill Gang.
I am worried about our LBs. They might be solid, they might be smart but that doesn't mean they can cover guys over the middle. Hopefully Roth cares enough about financial security to go out and have a monster year. Some posters say we will miss Wimbley, but I dont agree. It'd be great if Marcus B-E-N-A-R-D made big strides.
If I am worried about our LB, I am absolutely petrified about our D-line. I don't much stock in the fact that guys like Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford moved the ball with apparent ease or that we didn't get much QB pressure in exhibition games: you don't show a whole lot on defense in pre-season. If injuries hit our D-line we will severely suck.
Bottom line: unless Shaun Rogers blows up and has a monster year or unless we go crazy with creating turnovers, we won't have a dominant defense because we don't have a blue-chip linebacker. I don't know that we'll even be average on D. The secondary might be our best unit on D and it's half-filled with rookies.
Intangibles:
* We seem to have a team-oriented bunch of guys, although lots of teams say that in August.
* Gone is the DA/Brady soap opera that went on for three seasons, it's like there's a breath of fresh air around the quarterback position. Jake is on a mission.
* Josh Cribbs. 'Nuff said.
* I think Week 3 is the first huge game of 2010. If we go to Baltimore 2-0 or even 1-1, and beat them in their house we could really turn some heads and get to feeling good about ourselves. If we lose there and say drop to 1-2, we'll be fighting and scraping the whole season, always battling from behind.
* We no longer fear Pittsburgh. In fact, we want them - at our place or their's, it don't matter. This group of guys lost their "Can't Beat the Steelers" cherry on a frigid December night at the Pound.
My Best Bet in a Sober Moment:
We'll be a better team, much more competitive. Not an easy schedule, and we have lots of room for improvement.
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As currently constituted.....6-10.
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5-11 Very tough schedule this year
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At this point in time, anything better than 6-10 seems like a stretch.
The offense will be improved, but I have not seen anything defensively that suggests we have made significant improvements. I see a need for at least 1 more impact player at each level of the defense before we can be really competitive.
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I think the offense will surprise and the D will be a slight improvement over last year.,
We have what appears to be a tougher schedule that may slow us down. Depending on if what appears to be true actually is. You all know how this stuff goes.. a schedule looks tough but it's based on last years results and things can and most often do change..
I'm going with 7 wins.
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Rank Team Combined W-L Pct.
T1. Texans 140-116 .547
T1. Titans 140-116 .547
3. Cowboys* 139-117 .543
4. Bengals* 138-118 .539
5. Jaguars 137-119 .535
6. Patriots* 136-120 .531
7. Giants 135-121 .527
8. Redskins 134-122 .523
9. Eagles* 133-123 .520
T10. Browns 132-124 .516
T10. Colts* 132-124 .516
I see us going 5-11 as of right now.
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I will take my Browns colored glass off and say I see a 5-11 or 4-12 team.
Offense
We have an over the hill QB, and lack a true playmaker at RB and WR positions. Our offense will be in the bottom 3rd of the league due to this. I am not going to go on a Spiller rant, but he would have helped us out a ton offensivily and gave us an impact player.
Our Offensive Line is good, but we lack talent at the skill positions. Robiskie is the best Wr we have on this roster (Don't mistake last year, Robo had growing pains with special teams and press coverages that he has fixed) Robiskie and Watson have the best hands on the team because these are the only two guys we have that use their hands and reach out away from their bodies to catch the ball. MoMass and others will always drop as many as they catch because they don't catch with their hands and always try to use their chest.
Defense
I said it in the preseason and it didn't sink in with some until after the 3rd preseason game, but out Defense is a sieve...we will not be able to stop anyone at all. The only players we have on D right now that woul start on other teams is Wright, Rogers, Haden, and Jackson(who is hurt) Fujita is a maybe....but the Saints let him go for a reason....we will struggle mightly on Defense
The only way this d is repectable is if Rogers, Bernard, Jackson, Roth, Wright, and Haden have big years...thats a tall order...Bernard and Haden are unproven....
This D is bad...
This team may be worse then last years team....I like Jake, but he is older now...if Jake goes down early in the year...2-14 is a real possibility....we will have no chance if Jake gets hurt...I like Seneca..but he is not a viable NFL QB to go to in the long haul.
Pretty much the only positive I see right now is...hopefully Colt don't see the field.
I really hope this team proves me wrong, I want them too...but I just don't see this team winning more then 5 games and realistically may only win 4....
this team is bad....the d may be the worst I have seen from this team....
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Really?
Why? Because we changed QBs? Jake would have to be worse than the worst pair of QBs I have ever seen in my life ..... and I don't think he'll be that bad.
I expect a season out of him along the lines of 2500-2800 yards ..... 20 TDs and 12 INT. That's not world beater numbers, but I don't expect that he'll be asked to be a world beater.
Our O Line is damn impressive. I would put us top 10, and would put out C-LG-LT against any team.
We have a RB who did a really nice job last year. We have what appears to be a nice combo back in Hillis. Davis looks to be the fastest and shiftiest of the bunch. Oh ... and we have TNT Vickers at FB. I think we'll be able to run the ball.
Special teams should again be a strength. Maybe not 3 or 4 TDs on returns strong ... but I expect consistent starting position of the 30 or better on KO returns.
On defense, we have a D Line with a conbination of old/experience and youth. Rubin looks like a star at NT (If there is such a thing) A starting DL of Rogers/Rubin/R.Smith should be effective. Coleman could be a "co-starter", and is effective against the run. Both Robinson and Schaefering look promising. This unit should be improved vs last year.
Oh, and we have a couple of young guys on the practice squad who have some potential. Sanford, especially, looks like a Mangini project waiting to happen. I expect that he'll be up by the end of the year.
LB is going to take some sorting out. I am of the opinion that our best lineup would be Roth at OLB, Fujita and Gocong at ILB, and Benard on the other side. I do not like Fujita at OLB at all. I hope that's not where he winds up playing. I do think that Benard needs to be on the field. Things seem to happen when he is out there.
We have experience at LB in our backups, and a couple of special teams demons. Backups are solid, if not spectacular.
CB will be a strength for this team. If we get modest pressure on the QB,Haden and Wright have lockdown potential. Brown will probably start the year, but I expect that Haden will grab his spot by year's end, with Brown moving to the Nickel.
Depth is currently a concern, but we just signed an effective backup CB, and we also have Adams who proved effective last year.
Excellent at the top, and deep. Very good unit.
Safety is a question. Ward looks like a star waiting to happen. Elam is Elam. Hopefully he can work with superior talent around him. If not ... Adams might just take his starting spot.
You know that Mangini has to love Adams and his approach to the game and play on the field.
Asante could also be one of those late season gems that Mangini likes so much.
Overall ..... this is a hard team to pick a win/loss for. They are on the cusp of being good. How good? Who knows? QB is a huge spot in the equation. Can Delhomme remain effective after imploding last year? Can he stay healthy for the entire year? Big questions there, and really, the year depends on the answers.
I see this team as one of those teams that is really starting to come together ..... and could do it this year, or next, but they will be a playoff team. The realist in me says somewhere between 6-8 wins. The optimist says 8-10. I really don't feel pessimisitic at all.
I'm gonna go with 8 wins. I think that's slightly to the optimistic side of realistic. I think that this team should win games late in the season .... because they are built to handle bad weather. Closing at Buffalo, at Cincinnati, and at home against Baltimore and Pittsburgh could be the decider between so so, and good.
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Worst Case: 6-10
Best Case: 7-9
The ONLY thing that scares me is our Defense. I dont think we are going to stop anyone. Our Linebackers are slow, better but nothing to write home about. The front 3 aren't going to do much either.
I see people running on us all day. Plus the middle being open.
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I agree with some of your points, but our d Front 7 is terrible outside of Rogers
This run D took a huge nosedive with the loss of Jackson to injury.
As for Jake, I don't think he will last the season...he is older now, I mean how many years in a row now has our Qb or one of our Qb went down? I don't think Jake starts all 16 games...and he is going to have Gerald McCoy chasing him week 1....
Blocking McCoy will be a tall order for our OL considering McCoy is a better inside pass rusher then Suh...suh is the better run defender, and Suh man handled our OL...what do you think Mccoy is going to do considering he is the better pass rusher of the two...Warren Sapp anyone?
Jake is an enigma, if he don't get hurt we really don't know what he will do....will he have a good season? or will he be god awful like his last times in Carolina.
there is a ton of question marks on this team.
The ONLY area there is no question marks is our Defense...they are terrible...that Defense will not be able to stop anyone...and if you can't stop anyone you won't win many games.....
yes we may be worse then last year
we may win our 1st two games
and tank the other 14....it could happen...with this defense...its a definite possibility...
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one last question for people
if this team goes 2-14, 3-13...will you be on board to can Cartman then? is that what it will take?
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How about we stick to predictions, not attacking/debating the posts of others? That's what the thread-starter politely asked for.
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I'm not trying to be a ref, it's just that those debates have taken/will take place in a hundred different threads.
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i know, I got sidetracked
We needed you to say something to keep order. to keep things on track. thanks!
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I see people running on us all day. Plus the middle being open.
I'm nervous too.. I think we get a lot of wins against "run oriented" teams... but those that are pass heavy will win every time.
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Worst case: 4-12
Best case: 8-8
Most likely: 6-10
Quarterback: Delhomme was just as bad as our QB's last year. He threw a ton of interceptions and wasn't accurate. He had a top 5 run game and a good o-line, but still was terrible. He has looked good in the preseason, but things could change quickly once he starts seeing actual, non incredibly bland defenses. I'm cautiously optimistic, but wouldn't be surprised if he falls flat on his face.
Running back: The Hardesty injury really hurts here. He was our only complete back, and was going to have a huge impact this year. I'm less of a Harrison fan than ever after his performance in the preseason. He has terrible inside vision and tries too hard to break the long one. Hillis obviously has power, but I don't know how effective he will be outside of short yardage situations. He really doesn't have the speed or burst to run outside, and is one dimensional running the ball. He will, however, be a great 3rd down back. His combination of excellent hands and blocking ability make him perfect for the role. I have no idea how much action James Davis will see, but right now, he is our most complete back, and should, IMO see a decent amount of carries.
Wide receiver: This is a hug weak spot. Even if MoMass and Robo progress, the corps is extremely inexperienced, and lacking depth. Neither MoMass nor Robo are huge playmakers, and both have big weaknesses. Stuckey is not a good player at all, and unfortunately, Cribbs is probably our slot receiver. There are going to be some major struggles here, and with a questionable QB, that isn't good.
Tight end: Watson has great speed, and is a decent blocker. He has had some drop issues, but is an awesome athlete and can make some sweet catches. Moore is a slightly bigger Joe J. with his consistent hands and route running ability. He'll be moved around quite a bit this year, and will be coming out of the slot quite often. Alex Smith and Robert Royal are both great blockers, but I suspect one of them will be cut.
Offensive line: This is, IMO, our strongest unit. We have the best left three linemen in the NFL, and all three are top 10 players at their position. JT is the best in the league, and Mack is on his way up. Steinbach is a great pass blocker, and a top 5 player in a ZBS. Lauvao has impressed from day one, and I suspect he will be solid, but there will be some growing pains. Right tackle is the obvious weak spot. Pashos has always been an underwhelming pass blocker at best, and he has hardly practiced. He and Lauvao are going to be lacking in chemistry. Delhomme will have plenty of time to throw, and the run game will have more than enough push.
Defensive line: The depth here is absolutely terrible. Robaire and Coleman were average last year at best, and both are another year older. Rubin is a rising star, and it will be interesting to see how he and Rogers rotate. Rogers will be playing plenty of end, I suspect, but he has to play nose as well with Rubin lacking a backup. Schafering is going to play way too much.
Linebackers: The opposite of the defensive line. There is plenty of depth, but a lack of elite/good talent. Fujita has no pass rushing ability and is out of place outside. Gocong is slow and doesn't seem to know what he's doing in the 3-4. Roth will be good, but he won't have 10 sacks. Benard has good potential, but he isn't there yet. D'Qwell is a decent player, but he is hurt, and who knows how well he will recover. Trusnik, Bowens, Barton and Maiava are all well below average.
Cornerback: Up there with the offensive line as a strength of the team. Wright is arguably a top 10 or top 15 corner, and Brown is above average as well, though I suspect he will soon be the third guy. He is physical, but he is getting slower as he ages. Haden is going to be a top 5 corner, and I think he is already well on his way. His combination of athleticism and physicality is incredibly rare. Adams is an acceptable 4th corner, but hopefully he doesn't play too much.
Safety: Elam is just terrible. He's bad against the run, and he's worse against he pass. Ward will be very good against the run, and attacking the line, but will struggle in coverage. He showed me the same things in the preseason that he did while at Oregon. He was out of position in coverage, and got burnt a few times, but he will hit hard and make an impact against the run. I still think he's going to be a worse in coverage Bob Sanders. The unit still lacks a safety capable of playing center field against the pass.
Special teams: Cribbs is a man among boys, but I'm concerned about him getting worn down/overused. He also isn't young for a return man. Dawson is a great kicker, and arguably the most consistent over the last 10 years. Hodges wasn't particularly good last year, but I think he can be acceptable. Pontbriand is the best. Maiava and Costanzo will do a great job on coverage.
Coaching: I like Mangini's knowledge of x's and o's. Ryan is a defensive genius and will be the lone reason we get a pass rush this year. Daboll wasn't good last year, but his ineptness was overblown due to the lack of offensive talent. Hopefully he improves this year under the influence of Haskell. Seely does a great job on special teams.
Overview: The offensive line and run game will be good, but the passing game will struggle. The defense will be terrible, and the special teams will dominate.
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I think our O is going to look good right from the start.
Our D will struggle early and get better,I look for the D to do much better in the second half of the season than the first,much like last season.
7-9 if things play out this way.
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10-6
Keeping 4 TEs and with the RBs we've got I expect the highest run to pass ratio in the NFL in years. I expect Seneca Wallace to greatly increase our red zone%. I expect Evan Moore to consistently cause mismatches.
I expect to see linebackers everywhere, 5 of them on the field won't be the norm but you will see it regularly. I expect Fujita and Gocong to return to their traditional roles for a key game like the Ravens. I expect to see Rodgers get 10 sacks. I expect to see our somewhat short DBs get picked on in the red zone.
I expect the playoffs.
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May I also assume you expect to win every time you buy a Powerball ticket? You may want to temper that enthusiasm...... 
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I believe we can field an entire defense of LBs.  I think I tried that in Madden once. 
I'd like 6 wins .. 8 would be great. Frankly I haven't analyzed the schedule to come up with a very humble opinion.
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A Steelers fan prediction. Enough said.
I say 8-8 is not unreasonable.
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This team won 4 games at the end of last season with zero QB play, a strong OL and a good running game. Enter Delhomme and Wallace with a deeper run game plus their experience and play should be worth at least two more wins.
This is Mangini's and Rob Ryans second year together here. They are defensive coaches. They have had some time to assemble enough players to play their scheme. They made changes to the defensive backfield to upgrade both coverage and tackling. They have brought in a bunch of linebackers to pick the best to play their defense. The upgrades and continuity have to be worth two games.
The Browns have ranked very high in specialty teams for two plus years. They have a really good group of specialty team players lead by Cribbs; the best in the league. The unit is well coached by Brad Seely.
Considering the above factors and the schedule they play: I see the 2010 Browns with nine wins.
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Nothing long here as in the past.....we win 8.
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I went through and predicted all 256 games and came out with 7-9 for the Browns. I'll revisit them all in a couple weeks, because last year, offseasons, and pre-season ball isn't enough to predict what might happen.
Nonetheless, I had division winners of NE, BAL, IND, and SD with wildcards of CIN and HOU (tiebreaker with MIA). For NFC, it was DAL, GB, NO, and SF with wildcards of NYG and ATL. I ended up with a BAL vs GB superbowl.
I had STL, BUF, and TB all ending up with only 1 win, CHI, with 2, KC with 3 and DET with 4. I don't think that will happen - again, it is hard to predict this early.
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Worst case scenario: Browns struggle out of the gate and are hit with a rash of injuries during the season. Mangini continues to play some of his "pets" for no apparant reason while fans start chanting for Holmgren halfway through the season. WRs struggle early and Delhomme reverts back to his last season in Carolina while the Browns go 3-13 with the top pick in next years draft.
Best case scenario: Massaquoi improves upon his rookie season and Robo steps it up big time. Delhomme continues to play as well as he did in the preseason and getting Rogers back is a nice lift to the Browns defense. Browns hover around .500 for the year before finishing 7-9.
Unlike seasons past I've found it very hard to predict what this team might do this year
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I see about 7 wins, but have an optomistic bone that says 9.
I believe the defense we saw in preseason was not what we will see game one. I truly believe that Ryan was trying guys everywhere to see what kind of mix he could come up with. With Rubin and Rogers the Dline will create problems. People underestimate what Rogers is capable of at DE. He and Rubin could both attract double teams, and that alone will help the LBs. Many here underestimate the consistency Smith brings also.
We saw no blitzes like Ryan used at the end of the year last year in preseason, I doubt he canned them. I look for Roth and Rogers on the same side, and that makes me smile. That is a lot of pressure on one side of the line.
Delhomme is a professional, something we have lacked at QB. He is very smart, and has weapons like Moore, Watson, and Hillis to use when our young WRs can't carry the load.
Running the ball IMO will be our strong suit, I feel Davis is going to be the surprise of the group.
One thing I feel very confident about and leads me to think 9 wins is possible, is the fact that this is a TEAM, and everyone seems to be buying into that notion. That is something that shouldn't be overlooked, but considered an asset.
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I would like to update my prediction and add that we will finish above Pittsburg in our division this year. This is the year the wheels come off for that poser Tomlin.
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I say 8-8 is not unreasonable.
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I expect a minimum of 8 wins.
I think we'll go 9-7.
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we face 3 very good QBs/offenses outside our division. i'd add in Baltimore's x2, and Bengals/Steelers x1 each...Pitt early won't be clicking yet, and Bengals at the end of the season will have imploded.  that's 7 games where we will be downright outmatched defensively, and probably will not be competitive as a result. the remaining games will be tough, hard-fought, and disciplined games. i think it's safe to say we will win at least 2/3 of the remaining 9. provided we have no crucial injuries, i think 1 more (7) is even more likely. my prediction aside from the 7-9, is that this record will neither save Mangini, nor will it damn him. if we commit among the least penalties again, are close to even or + in the turnover margin, and do not otherwise beat ourselves, Mangini is here awhile longer. if not...Chucky buys a new winter coat. individually... Ward, Rogers, and Rubin shine on D. Lavao, Hillis, and the TEs shine on O. Delhomme and Harrison come back to earth from preseason and end of 09 paces, respectively. Cribbs gets himself 2 more kick-6es.
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On paper I think things look very grim.
We're looking at a stopgap vet at QB who just came off of an atrocious year. Not only that, but I don't see him lasting a whole season. Historically, the odds are against him.
Seneca Wallace will see some time under center as a starter, and with him holding the reins we're a 2-4 win team.
The run game held some promise, but losing Hardesty hurts. Harrison/Davis/Hillis/Cribbs will have to carry the load on offense ... and that's a tall request. They'll have some decent blocking, but they're going to have to make up too much ground for a very weak WR group.
Our WR situation is flat out bad. Promising? Maybe. But at the moment ... bad.
Defensively ... I think we've regressed. I've thought that Mangini & Ryan have been able to squeeze a lot of juice out of some lemons ... but again, a tall order.
Teams should throw on us with ease ... running shouldn't be too hard, either.
As bad as it looks through my eyes ... we could easily start 2-0. And that would make a world of difference.
I have a hard time saying that we can win more than six. However, lucky breaks can take teams anywhere.
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I've gone back and forth this preseason. Somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7.
The O will be much improved. We can run over (literally) anyone. And we will be able to pass (sorta -- but much improved from last year). We pulled off 5 wins last year, so we have to be better than that, right.
So I've convinced myself we will be better, but it may not translate fully to the scoreboard. I've said we have 8-8 talent on this team, but we lack speed on defense (outside of Haden, who WILL make rookie mistakes).
So bottom line, win some, lose some more... 6-10.
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I don't put much stock in the preseason games because they're not game planning but practicing vs. some healthy competition instead of against their own team.
But if Bernie Kosar knows anything about the QB position and offense in general then his comments about Jake recognizing the defense and changing protections pre-snap and thus completing passes because of it, then that is something we had none of last season. And the accuracy from Jake was something else we had none of last season. I know we were throwing short a lot of the time. In fact, I don't remember anything farther than 20 yards all preseason. But we were moving the chains and having sustained drives. I realize it won't be as easy come the regular season but we had none of that even in the preseason last year. Quinn did tear it up vs. the Lions last year but that was an aberration to the norm.
He also commented on our offensive formations and what Dabol was getting out of them. He sounded very favorable regarding that. Perhaps that was just a result of the preseason as well. But that wasn't happening last season either.
The experience and accuracy at the QB position HAS to count for something. It is clearly an upgrade as it looks to this point anyway.
I realize that our linebackers are lacking in major ways but no one can convince me that they're sub-par to what we trotted out there last year. I know they didn't look so great in the preseason but it was the preseason and they were just practicing, (like the opposition's defenses were that made our offense look unstoppable).
DL is a wash.
I'm calling the front 7 upgraded.
Our cornerback position went from a severe liability to a strength. That too has to count for something. We've become more physical along with having better coverage. The cornerbacks playing more physical along with Ward at safety should help stop the run as well. We'll likely be just as vulnerable because of a lack of safety coverage but in all other respects our secondary should be improved.
I'm calling our secondary upgraded.
The OL is improved. Slightly on the right, but improved nonetheless.
TE is improved.
WR should be slightly improved individually as MoMass and Robo are in their second season along with better QB play. But after that I see the TE's and RB's bailing us out a lot.
RB is a wash. Hardesty going down really put the damper on what we expected out of our running attack. I don't see us running over everybody but we should be able to run with some success. Add in a better passing game and we should be balanced enough to run when we need to.
Coaching: a second year together as a staff along with Mangini focusing on coaching rather than trying to be the BigShow should improve overall. Having Gaskill and Holmgren as mentors should help as well. There will still be questionable gametime calls but I'm expecting better coaching across the board.
Tough ass schedule. It will offset a lot of the improvements and upgrades. This team needs to work together for a year and then add more talent next offseason.
Prediction: I feel we'll be lucky to go 5-11 again. If a lot of balls bounce our way then maybe 7-9. If hell freezes over, then 8-8. If all our opponents forfeit all the games vs. the Browns then 9-7, because we will still find a way to lose 7 of those games.
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As with every season, I expect to win every game. However, since I know thats not very likely, this season I would be perfectly okay with a .500 record. We were a PI call away from a sixth win last season, and lost another on a field goal as overtime expired...both very winnable games. I see no reason why 8-8 is unachievable when it appears, to me at least, that there are no areas where we've regressed, and several notable spots where we've gotten better.
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We will win atleast 6 games FOR SURE! The maximum # of wins I'm not sure.. Really depends on how we play against the AFC North. I say max though of 9 wins.
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here's a question. the average prediction in this thread is about 6-7 wins.
assuming that, does mangini keep his job?
everyone predicts 6-7 wins now, but come the season, some will be screaming when we lose 10 games, even though they may have predicted that.
in my opinion, barring another 1-11 start or something similiar, i would like to see mangini get a third year.
i just hate, and think it's unfair that the guy's job may hinge on a quarterback who's 35-36 and just came off his worst season ever, coupled with a defense that is still a project.
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I think the Mangini's job is dependent on the play of the team, not wins or losses.
If the team plays hard, strong, comes out on the losing end he may survive. If the team seems to quit on him or is just plain bad then he may be shown the doors.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I honestly can't believe the "we've regressed" comments. We have adressed some huge holes this off-season.
Linebackers, while not stunning is greatly improved. Roth is a legit play-maker and nasty .... I'm thinking Clay Mattews. Bernard could be great and Gocong and Fujita are obvious upgrades. We are most definitely better than last year.
Secondary is a MAJOR upgrade. I have no idea how you can miss this. Sheldon is a HUMONGOUS upgrade over McD and his presence will improve Wright's performance immensely. Haden in as Nickle could be the most dramatic improvement this year (over Poteat). Ward has already impressed. I think this unit is ready for a huge year. I can't believe I'm seemingly alone on this.
Backfield is a major improvement as well. Lewis was playing on fumes. Harrisson, for some reason, just can't get any respect. We loved this guy at the end of last year. He was awesome even when opponents were basically told "we're running, guys." Hillis is going to have a great year as well. A pass catching bulldozer. Davis finally gets to do his thing. He was going to be great last year and now for some reason, he's lucky to make the team. I don't get it. Backfield is a HUGE improvement.
Receiver is a question but I really believe that they're better than it appears. I believe it when the coaches were saying that they were getting open last year and the QBs couldn't hit them. Stuckey will have a much better season and everyone of them will benefit from a stable QB situation for once. Worst case scenario is more uneven play but certainly not worse.
TE. Please. Watson over Royal. Please.
OL. Right side is a HUGE upgrade. Pashos over St Clair is like having an additional player on the line. Lauvao is going to be solid too.
DE is at worst, the same as last year.
QB. Even if JD totally implodes, Wallace is better than anything we've had here in years. And if JD returns to his previous state (before the breakdown), we're looking at the best QB we've had in a looong time.
I just don't see how some of you can be predicting a regression or even the same. We are a MUCH better football team both physically and mentally.
I say 8 wins only because of the brutal schedule.
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Adam Shein(sp) of NFL Network has guaranteed anything short of a 10 win season and a payoff birth will be the end of Mangini and the beginning of a Gruden era. His hatred for Mangini runs deep though and he likes making outrageous claims anyway.
I think we'll all know by the end of the season if Mangini stays without MH saying a word, MH isn't going to shock anybody with this.
I too would like to see Mangini have a real chance in Cleveland and I think he will. The way he was able to pull this team together last year with the unusual amount of adversity that surrounded him speaks volumes.
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i agree though, that if mangini is gone, gruden is the guy. i am one of those, maybe in the minority, that doesn't think holmgren wants any part of coming back to the sidelines. too much responsibility, i don't think he wants that burden.
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I agree that Holmgren isn't returning to the sidelines.
I'm sick of all of the talk about removing Mangini, however. Dude hasn't ever gotten a fair chance in this town (except from Holmgren, perhaps).
I was not a fan of the hiring, and I certainly was not a fan of his mid way through last season, but I'm fully on board with his approach to things now. Anyone who can get a team to keep fighting and playing as hard as they did at the end of last year's lost cause of a season IS doing things the RIGHT WAY.
As for Chucky..... I am NOT on that bandwagon at all unless we're guaranteed that he will have no say in any offensive moves, whatsoever. The dude wouldn't know what a quarterback is if it bit him on the ass.
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As with every season, I expect to win every game. However, since I know thats not very likely, this season I would be perfectly okay with a .500 record. We were a PI call away from a sixth win last season, and lost another on a field goal as overtime expired...both very winnable games. I see no reason why 8-8 is unachievable when it appears, to me at least, that there are no areas where we've regressed, and several notable spots where we've gotten better.
At this level of football, I agree, only to modify the statement to say, I expect to AT LEAST COMPETE in every game. I can't get myself to expect to WIN EVERY one, but at a minimum, I don't think it's too much to expect a certain degree of professionalism from these men every week.
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If we were to go with a new coach for some reason, and Gruden was it ..... man ... get ready for the roller coaster.
Look at his tenture with the Bucs.
2002: Super Bowl
2003: 3rd place (7-9)
2004: 4th place (5-11)
2005: 2nd place (11-5)
2006: 4th place (4-12)
2007: 1st place (9-7)
2008: 3rd place (9-7)
He also put in place the powerhouse team that went 3-13 last year.
Personally, I don't want to ride on a yo yo. I want a coach who will build the team and keep it strong and competitive. Gruden also forced out Rick McCay as GM in Tampa Bay so that he could control personnel. Wonder how that would go over here?
I think we have the right coach in place, and I want him here next year, period. The only way I would want him out is if the team completely quit on him. I don't see that happening though.
I like Mangini because he is a solid Xs and Os guy. He is an excellent motivator. He is a disciplinarian. He does not make panic decisions. He stands his ground, but does seem willing to take advice.
I hope he is out head coach for the next 15 years.
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It's good to see that I'm not alone on the Anti-Chucky boat. The only talent that I've seen in him is his ability to turn red on the sideline, I haven't been impressed with his teams at all.... and no, I do not give him credit for that 2002 team, just like I don't give Tomlin credit for the team that he rode to the Super Bowl. Quote:
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As long as we continue to see the TEAM that we've been seeing, the guys playing freaking hard as hell.... I'd be on board with that because that level of stability is the only thing that will eventually bring us continued and consistent success.
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I'm at the point that I don't want to see Mangini gone even if we lose. Like someone said above, the rally last season speaks volumes and it's just a matter of time for these guys to get the right players.
From preseason the only coach I can see on a hot seat is Ryan. AND I'm not sure he even deserves that.
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I agree that Holmgren isn't returning to the sidelines.
I'm sick of all of the talk about removing Mangini, however. Dude hasn't ever gotten a fair chance in this town (except from Holmgren, perhaps).
I was not a fan of the hiring, and I certainly was not a fan of his mid way through last season, but I'm fully on board with his approach to things now. Anyone who can get a team to keep fighting and playing as hard as they did at the end of last year's lost cause of a season IS doing things the RIGHT WAY.
As for Chucky..... I am NOT on that bandwagon at all unless we're guaranteed that he will have no say in any offensive moves, whatsoever. The dude wouldn't know what a quarterback is if it bit him on the ass.
Just like you, I was luke warm on Mangini hire in the first place.. and wasn't his biggest fan in the middle of the season, but I saw what he did.. I noticed that he almost willed this team to win and the players responded.. and won.
There is a hell of a lot more to Mangini than any of us really thought.. Holmgren isn't keep him here for any other reason than he believes in him..
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Will we stop the run? Don't see it happening consistantly... Can we pressure the QB? Can't see it happening consistantly... Can our secondary consistatnly cover any set of wide recievers for 4 to 5 or more seconds? don't see it happening... We are far from strong in the middle of the D... A huge negative... Can we run the ball consistantly for 30+ crarries and game for 150 per? Don't see it happening... Can we protect the QB consistantly for at least 3.5 to 4 seconds? Don't see that happening... We have streaky has been, on the way out QB who is a pick machine @ QB, and a short "athlete" fill in at best behind him, with a questionable rookie behind him... I'm already in the cellar knowing that 4-6 wins is another real and probable possibility even with our weak ass schedule... WE SUCK AGAIN THIS FRICKEN YEAR.
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Worst case: We start out slow and drop the first tow to some bad teams, then we run through a gauntlet of Playoff teams and MH is wearing the headset after the bye week and we are watching the University of Washington to see what our future QB is going to look like.
Best case: We start out hot win the first two, play tough and win some during the gauntlet run. Go .500 in the division and end up around 8-8.
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I agree with most of the rest of your post, but to be fair to Gruden, after he was let go, they decided to completely go with the youth movement and got rid of a bunch of veterans in order to bottom out and build the team up (the correct decision for them, but it's hard to put the blame of the record on Chuckie after they went that route).
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A Steelers fan prediction. Enough said.
I say 8-8 is not unreasonable.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.. Why the attack?
A Steeler fan giving an opinion about the Browns? Don't you think you should worry about your own team? You just might as well say we suck. You are no different than any other Steeler fan on this board.
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You lost all credibility with this comment. Our schedule is anything but weak. We had the number 8 rushing team last year behind our bad Oline.......... 
Oh yeah...Rogers and Rubin are some real weaklings........
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Just to give you one reason why the average is 6 to 7 wins.
We were a 1-11 team at one point last year. And at times we played worse than that. We weren't close to being even respectable.
Then we won 4 games against teams that didn't make the playoffs with weather playing a major factor in a few of the games.
That's just how it is.
Have we improved? Yeah I think we have.
I don't put too much stock in rookie play though...example Alex Mack for the first 10 games or so last year. Do I expect Lauvao, Haden and Ward to struggle mightily at times. I absolutely do.
But I've been impressed with what Delhomme has brought, a certain je ne sais quoi professionalism that I haven't seen in a long while.
We're not a playoff team but we should battle and not beat ourselves regularly. That's why the tempered expectations for most here IMO.
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I don't put much stock in the preseason games because they're not game planning but practicing vs. some healthy competition instead of against their own team.
But if Bernie Kosar knows anything about the QB position and offense in general then his comments about Jake recognizing the defense and changing protections pre-snap and thus completing passes because of it, then that is something we had none of last season. And the accuracy from Jake was something else we had none of last season. I know we were throwing short a lot of the time. In fact, I don't remember anything farther than 20 yards all preseason. But we were moving the chains and having sustained drives. I realize it won't be as easy come the regular season but we had none of that even in the preseason last year. Quinn did tear it up vs. the Lions last year but that was an aberration to the norm.
He also commented on our offensive formations and what Dabol was getting out of them. He sounded very favorable regarding that. Perhaps that was just a result of the preseason as well. But that wasn't happening last season either.
The experience and accuracy at the QB position HAS to count for something. It is clearly an upgrade as it looks to this point anyway.
I realize that our linebackers are lacking in major ways but no one can convince me that they're sub-par to what we trotted out there last year. I know they didn't look so great in the preseason but it was the preseason and they were just practicing, (like the opposition's defenses were that made our offense look unstoppable).
DL is a wash.
I'm calling the front 7 upgraded.
Our cornerback position went from a severe liability to a strength. That too has to count for something. We've become more physical along with having better coverage. The cornerbacks playing more physical along with Ward at safety should help stop the run as well. We'll likely be just as vulnerable because of a lack of safety coverage but in all other respects our secondary should be improved.
I'm calling our secondary upgraded.
The OL is improved. Slightly on the right, but improved nonetheless.
TE is improved.
WR should be slightly improved individually as MoMass and Robo are in their second season along with better QB play. But after that I see the TE's and RB's bailing us out a lot.
RB is a wash. Hardesty going down really put the damper on what we expected out of our running attack. I don't see us running over everybody but we should be able to run with some success. Add in a better passing game and we should be balanced enough to run when we need to.
Coaching: a second year together as a staff along with Mangini focusing on coaching rather than trying to be the BigShow should improve overall. Having Gaskill and Holmgren as mentors should help as well. There will still be questionable gametime calls but I'm expecting better coaching across the board.
Tough ass schedule. It will offset a lot of the improvements and upgrades. This team needs to work together for a year and then add more talent next offseason.
Prediction: I feel we'll be lucky to go 5-11 again. If a lot of balls bounce our way then maybe 7-9. If hell freezes over, then 8-8. If all our opponents forfeit all the games vs. the Browns then 9-7, because we will still find a way to lose 7 of those games.
Good post ddubia,
I'll chime in with my prediction;
@ TB- W Regrdless of this being thier home game I see the Browns dominating this team the way the Steelers Dominated the Browns in the home opener of '07 which sent Frye to a new team.
vs KC - W KC has not made enough of an improvement during the off season and the pick up of EB in the draft is not going to make the team leap into playoff contention.
@ Bal - L Tough battle in a high scoring game on thier turf and the Browns first loss.
vs Cinci - W Palmer may have a ton of weapons but ours start getting thier feet under them fast after being pushed by the Ravens WR's.
vs Atl - W This one will test every players ability to stay focused on the game and not get overconfident. It will be close again.
@ Pitt - W Rothlesburg is going to rusty and they are by no strech the team of even a year ago. The weels are coming off in Pittsburgh.
@ N.O. - L Travel begins to show it's wear on the team and they drop a difficult game to the reigning champs.
BYE -
vs- Pats - W Pats seem to be coming apart in the same fashion as Pitt is. Browns will have the opportunity to take advantage of this turn of the tide.
vs Jets - W Although I am sure everyone is absolutely giving this one to the Jets I think Rob Ryans pride, and the fact that it is a home game, will be major factor in the outcome of this game. I favor the Browns and dominant D.
@ Jags - L The team will be spent from the previous weeks game with the Jets and drop this one.
vs Panthers - W Delohmme, like Ryan vs the Jets, will have something to prove. Once again the Browns will have home field advantage.
@ Miami - W Ryans significantly improved D will overpower the Miami "Wildcat". Also Miami appears to be in somewhat of a rebuilding state.
@ Buffalo - W The only upgrade the Bills have truly accomplished is the addition of Spiller. The coaching staff are new and they lost thier starting right gaurd. This is a team in flux and the Browns will dominate this game.
@ Cinci - L Between Cincinnati's desire to keep the Browns from sweeping them this year and this being the Browns third road game, the team drops this one.
vs Balt - W This will be a nail bitter and will likely be won on the foot of Dawson.
vs Pitt - W! The Browns will sweep Pitt this year for the first time since the November 10th game in 1988.
Yea I know 12-4 might be a bit of a stretch, but what they hey. I always did preffer hanging out with the cheerleaders on a losing team, always being optomistic.  
As opposed to sitting around with a bunch of depressing people crying about how woe is me, we'll never be in the playoffs or see a superbowl. 
Some of the talking heads have teams going to the playoffs and Superbowl and they don't even know who the starting QB is, ie NFL Live commentators praising DA as the new savior of the Cardinals and how he now will be able to be the Pro Bowl QB that he was in '07.
Forgetting the fact that the only reason he went to PB was because he was an injury replacement for Tom Brady. You don't hear much about "almost" pro bowlers.
Anyway, my 2 cents worth.
Go Browns whatever the outcome!!! 
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I just don't see how some of you can be predicting a regression or even the same. We are a MUCH better football team both physically and mentally.
Much better than what? Arguably one of the worst offenses in NFL history?
Look, we got lucky at the end of the year with a creampuff schedule. We've got two of them right off the bat this year. If we go 2-0 ... who knows?
We may have been 5-11 last year ... but we were lucky to win five. Really lucky.
I think we'll see strides this year ... I'd be very happy if we won more than 6.
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Pfft... I can count five wins at the end of our schedule, and two at the start.
Throw in winning a couple of tough ones and perhaps stealing one and we're sitting at 9-7.
Browns is the Browns
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Pfft... I can count five wins at the end of our schedule
NE
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JAC
CAR
MIA
BUF
CIN
BAL
PIT
Which ones are you counting?
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Pfft... I can count five wins at the end of our schedule
NE
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CAR
MIA
BUF
CIN
BAL
PIT
Which ones are you counting?
Jacksonville ...
Carolina ...
Buffalo ...
Cincinnati ...
Baltimore ...
Pittsburgh ... are all potential wins.
The problem with trying to figure out what games we could win is that we have no idea what effect injuries (for one thing) will have on a team. Weather could also be a determinig factor in the Baltimore and Pittsburgh games.
Does this mean that we will close the seaosn on a 6 game winning streak? Probably not. Could we close out winning 4 of 6? I think that's a definite possibility.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Every game is a 'potential win'. But I doubt we're going to beat a lot of those teams ... doesn't mean we couldn't ... but I'd be happy to take three of the eight.
Our passing game is bad.
Our pass rush is bad.
I don't see much reason to believe we can effectively stop the run.
It would have to be no mistake, Cinderella story football for us to win eight IMO. But that could easily happen. 9-7 is a distinct possibility. But so is 4-12.
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Our passing game has been very good so far. How will it be in the regular season ..... who knows?
Our pass rush has been anemic so far. Will it remain the same in the regular season? Don't know. Last year we managed to generate a pass rush in the 2nd half of the season, so hopefully we'll do it again. We should. We have upgraded the secondary and added a pass rusher at LB in Gocong. Benard proved to be an effective pass rusher as well.
Stopping the run will be something to watch. Hopefully Rubin in the middle will help. Subtracting Whimbley could help as well. Adding a Safety who doesn't mind tackling in Ward might help also.
These might not help immediately, but by the middle of the year this defense could start getting better and better.
I don't see 4-12. I think that a lot would have to go wrong for that to happen. I think that 6-8 wins is the most likely possibility .... with 10 as an "if everything goes right" kind of senario.
I think that the first 4 weeks will tell us a lot about the team on both sides of the ball. There's some bad and some good in the first 4 opponents.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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A lot of good posts. Quite frankly, I think most of us see what we see. I believe that the consensus is 6 - 8 wins. I tend to agree with that, if we get a few injuries in key positions.. we are screwed. IMO, it's the same old refrain.. we don't have quality depth
Okay, at random,
So far, I like the Holgren Heckert team.. I think the JB fiasco was badly handled tho..
While I'm not wild about Mangini, I think we should back this guy and be behind him. We can evaluate him after the season is done
OFFENSE.. I don't think it's as bad as some say and I don't think it is as good as some say. We play in the AFC North, we need to run the ball and stop the run. Since Hardesty is gone, Jerome looks like he is going to get the carries. To be honest, I DO like the work we've gotten from Hillis. I have no clue what to expect from Davis.. for anyone to say he's gonna be hot stuff is just speculating
WR Eh, we dont have anyone that scares Def Coords.
If we keep JD and his jersey clean he might be able to manage games and win we'll see
I will say this, and I think it is big time.. IF Shaun Rogers plays like he has done before in Cleveland, we instantly have a legit DL. IMO a healthy, mean SR is worth every penny you pay the man.
We wanted outfielders and we drafted them. The question is did we improve that unit?
ST.. I think we have some of the best in the league. Losing Zastudil is a serious blow.. freaking big loss.. thats all about field position.
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8 - Optimistic
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offense: will be better by about 5 clicks
defense: better by about one click
6-10 and Mangini gets one more year
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Me being from Atlanta, and knowing what goes on there, I think we can beat the Falcons... It won't be easy, but I think it will be one the Browns can win at the end of regulation.
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Pfft... I can count five wins at the end of our schedule
NE
NYG
JAC
CAR
MIA
BUF
CIN
BAL
PIT
Which ones are you counting?
Jacksonville
Carolina
Miami
Buffalo
..and pick any one from the last three, with Pittsburgh as the most likely. There's no way we end on a three game skid against division opponents.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4 wins= Pessimistic 5 wins= Cautiously Pessimistic 6-7 wins= Realistic 8-9 wins= Cautiously Optimistic 10 or more= Very Optimistic. With all the new presents still under rap under the wishing tree. At this point put me down for; On the fence between Realistic and leaning towards Cautiously Optimistic. Oh yeah, and I hope that there is a present under rap that will allow me to sit threw a complete game. Unlike the 1st twelve from last season, win or no win...... As a Team we need to compete each and ever week and let the rest of the league be aware that we are no longer an automatic (W). I do not think..... you can worry about the schedule based on last years standings. Yes you have those teams who are there in the 2nd season year after year, but not all playoff teams make it back there the following year and for many different reasons. That's what makes it a new chapter year in and year out and that chapter is still a blank in my book. Dawgs R U ready for some football! Woof! Woof!
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a certain je ne sais quoi professionalism
Dude.....very impressive.
Of course, half the guys on here think you just called Jake a name in French.....
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But technically.. a certain 'I don't know what' professionalism... doesn't make sense.
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But technically.. a certain 'I don't know what' professionalism... doesn't make sense.
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"I-don't-know-what" : an indescribable or indefinable 'something' which distinguishes the object in question from others which are superficially similar
Seems reasonable to me. I still like it.
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my prediction is that we blow it out of the water.
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 17-14 win
kc 10-21 Loss
@ Blatimore win 14-7
Cincinnati Bengals Loss 7-21
Atlanta Falcons Loss 14-28
@ Pittsburgh Steelers Loss 14-28
@ New Orleans Saints Loss 14-35
New England Patriots Loss 24-28
New York Jets Win 21-14
@ Jacksonville Jaguars Loss 10-21
Carolina Panthers Win 35-14
@ Miami Dolphins Loss 14-10
@ Buffalo Bills Win 3-0
@ Cincinnati Bengals Win 28-14
Baltimore Ravens Loss 10-3
Pittsburgh Steelers Win 14-10
Prediction7-9 maybe 8-8
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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I'm just arguing for no apparent reason.. it still doesn't make sense.. it's French, how can it make sense?
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Dude, where did you get your Crystal ball? Does it also tell how many TD vs INT's JD will throw? Please do tell
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Did the Browns do any of what I wrote run or pass protection related last year? What improvement or changes do you see this year? Bring something 
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Improved at RG spot.
RT is still a question mark on whether Pashos will be an upgrade over St. Turnstile.
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Dude, where did you get your Crystal ball?
Does it also tell how many TD vs INT's JD will throw?
Please do tell
20 TD 14 INT
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Nope... be well, hang in and enjoy the season man. 
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Did the Browns do any of what I wrote run or pass protection related last year? What improvement or changes do you see this year? Bring something
Yeah, actually, they did quite a bit.
First of all, they got a RG in Luavao(Spelling is way off, i'm sure), Pashos and moved Mount St. Turnstile to the bench.
Most importantly, they got rid of Quinn, who seemed satisfied with standing back and taking his sweet ass time trying to decide where to throw the ball. If there was one good thing Derek Anderson did, it was getting rid of the ball quickly.
I would be fairly surprised if the Browns are not in the top ten for least sacks given up.
you had a good run Hank.
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Dude, where did you get your Crystal ball?
Does it also tell how many TD vs INT's JD will throw?
Please do tell
20 TD 14 INT
To many INT's better replace him right now
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j/c...
I was just perusing some of the media outlet sites, and it seems that nobody has anything but low expectations for us this season.
I can't say that I blame them given how terrible we were last year, but it's pretty bad overall.
ESPN has us ranked 29th. We actually lost a spot in their rankings during pre-season.
CBS Sports has us at 30th.
Sports Illustrated has us at 28th, and Don Banks is the only person that I've seen give credit to Delhomme for his performance thus far.
Hopefully our guys see this stuff and carry a big chip on their shoulder this season - EVERYONE is doubting them, big time.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I was just perusing some of the media outlet sites, and it seems that nobody has anything but low expectations for us this season.
I can't say that I blame them given how terrible we were last year, but it's pretty bad overall.
ESPN has us ranked 29th. We actually lost a spot in their rankings during pre-season.
CBS Sports has us at 30th.
Sports Illustrated has us at 28th, and Don Banks is the only person that I've seen give credit to Delhomme for his performance thus far.
Hopefully our guys see this stuff and carry a big chip on their shoulder this season - EVERYONE is doubting them, big time.
Better than the SI jinks
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I'm hoping that we win Big in the first two games, and this allows our younguns to get the confidence that will allow them to play loose & grow the rest of the way! I'm with ya at 8 wins!!! Go Brownies!!!!
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"I-don't-know-what" : an indescribable or indefinable 'something' which distinguishes the object in question from others which are superficially similar
Seems reasonable to me. I still like it.
Thanks for the backup otto! 
In english so others besides you understand what I was trying to say.....
"I can't quite put my finger on it" was what I was trying to get across. Professionalism is an abstract term that could mean a lot of things. When I watch Jake run the offense I get a warm blanket type feeling like we're not on the precipice of shooting ourself in the foot five seconds before every snap.
We're way down on penalities, we haven't seen much of any issues with multiple presnap formations, he throws the ball where he intends to throw it, and everyone seems to be doing their job better. Why is that???
I don't know!
I can't put my finger on it!
It's just a je ne sais quoi professionalism. From my rajun cajun Monsieur Delhomme.
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I get a warm blanket type feeling like we're not on the precipice of shooting ourself in the foot five seconds before every snap.
YES!!
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Here goes...
W- @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
W- KC
L- @ Blatimore
W- Cincinnati Bengals
L- Atlanta Falcons
W- @ Pittsburgh Steelers
L- @ New Orleans Saints
W- New England Patriots
W- New York Jets
W- @ Jacksonville Jaguars
W- Carolina Panthers
L- @ Miami Dolphins
W- @ Buffalo Bills
L- @ Cincinnati Bengals
W- Baltimore Ravens
L- Pittsburgh Steelers
OMG - 10-6 - Dreaming? Sure.
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W- @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
W- KC
L- @ Blatimore
W- Cincinnati Bengals
L- Atlanta Falcons
W- @ Pittsburgh Steelers
L- @ New Orleans Saints
W- New England Patriots
W- New York Jets
W- @ Jacksonville Jaguars
W- Carolina Panthers
L- @ Miami Dolphins
W- @ Buffalo Bills
L- @ Cincinnati Bengals
W- Baltimore Ravens
L- Pittsburgh Steelers
OMG - 10-6 - Dreaming? Sure.
I would flip the first Bengals game and the Falcons.. still 10-6..
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W- @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
W- KC
L- @ Blatimore
L- Cincinnati Bengals
L- Atlanta Falcons
W- @ Pittsburgh Steelers
L- @ New Orleans Saints
L- New England Patriots
L- New York Jets
W- @ Jacksonville Jaguars
W- Carolina Panthers
W- @ Miami Dolphins
W- @ Buffalo Bills
L- @ Cincinnati Bengals
L- Baltimore Ravens
L- Pittsburgh Steelers
7-9 Sounds 'bout right...
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You have us winning IN Pittsburgh but losing at home? Any reason?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Too by the book.. no surprises in there.. you have us going 1-5 in the division and I think we can do better than that... and we'll beat Pittsburgh in the final week since we will be playing to keep our playoff chances alive and the game will mean nothing to them...
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Man, I hope your're right...I'll be happy with 7-9, but who knows.
No surprises? Well, I call it like I see it, but if we're swing'n for the upset pick...
W- NY Jets
L - @ Jacksonville Jaguars
Still 7-9, my man
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Pretty much joking about us being in playoff contention in week 17.. However, I do think that if we can be at 5-4 or even 4-5 when we get to that Jacksonville, Carolina, Miami, Buffalo stretch that we could win 3 of those 4 and make some noise.. I understand we could be 2-7 at that point and win 1 of those 4 just as easily... I'm just a glass half full kind of guy though..
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Does it also tell how many TD vs INT's JD will throw?
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J/C
My turn....
W- @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers : big day for Jerome
W- KC : after week2, Jerome leads the NFL in rushing yards (largely due to who he has faced, but I'll take it)
L- @ Baltimore : Tough matchup for us. I don't think we have enough aerial power in this one.
W- Cincinnati Bengals : Tough, low-scoring game. Basically, the complete opposite of the "DA game" from 2007.
L- Atlanta Falcons : I think the Falcons have a resurgence year. Turner and White are healthy which helps Ryan. Weatherspoon is a beast.
L- @ Pittsburgh Steelers : 1st Roeth game back is in Pitt after their bye against us? They are going to be revved up for this one. I am of course assuming the Pitt faithful rally behind him and don't spend the game tossing condoms on the field in protest (see below).
L- @ New Orleans Saints : I expect the Saints to take a step down from last year, but they are just a bad matchup for us. Can we get to Brees? If we can't, can we keep up with the Saints? I fear the answer is no to both.
W- New England Patriots : Can you say over-rated? Seems like the Patriots are annually rated much higher than is warranted.
L- New York Jets : Jets are overrated as well this year, but they still have that defense. This game will mean a lot to Mangini and us as fans, but I do not think it is enough to get the win and am surprised at how many people are picking it that way.
W- @ Jacksonville Jaguars : I expect the Jags to be playing out the stretch by this point of the year. If not for MoJo they might be the worst team in the NFL. With him, they are likely still bottom5.
L- Carolina Panthers : John Fox is a good coach. He is coaching for his job as he is on the hot seat. I expect a good year from the Panthers. The NFC South is a tough draw.
W- @ Miami Dolphins : What is going on in Miami? Parcells steps down. Many, many vets being shipped out of town. Definitely a rebuilding year down there and by this time of the season Ronnie Brown is likely on IR again. Their Wildcat vs. our WildElf. Now that should be fun to watch.
W- @ Buffalo Bills : I would love James Davis to make a big contribution in this game just for the posts to compare him and Spiller afterwards. Anyway about it though, I think we're better than the Bills.
L- @ Cincinnati Bengals : Wish we had the later game as it would have a better chance at a snowy field. This one will depend on who has more injuries at crucial spots. But, I doubt we win our last 5 in a row here and I consider both games against the Bengals pick-em's, so I'll give this one to Cinci even though their locker room could be imploding with their season by this point.
W- Baltimore Ravens : I think the Ravens are running away with the division by this point of the year and they don't care about this game as much as we do. Horrible decision to make these last games divisional for just this reason.
W- Pittsburgh Steelers : Without the extra emotional status of that first game, I think we win. Also, I think we should shower the Steeler bench with condoms. If we keep it off the field, what better way to show our displeasure with Big Ben?
1. They aren't a threat to actually injury the players/coaches/staff
2. It sends an obvious, unmistakable message
3. It would be incredibly funny
Final Record: 9-7 (out of the playoffs)
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That's funny,, I'm sticking with a 7 win season and will be happy with it. But dang No Logo,, that's a fun analysis to read.. Thanks
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thanks. i'm here all week. try the veal and don't forget to tip the waitress.
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j/c
the more i look at the season and think about the possible outcomes- i think it all comes down to how the start of the year goes. What do we look like the first two games. I would like to think that we are better then the bucs and the chiefs. 2-0 would have this team thinking big and feeling confident. Week three at Baltimore could be huge. the ravens defense is a fragment of what it used to be, but they are an offensive power in the making. Win that game and it could be a surprise year.
But if we drop a game to either the bucs or the chiefs, this team will be lucky to see 5 wins. Its just hard to figure out where 4 other wins could come from if you can't beat the bucs or the chiefs.
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You have us winning IN Pittsburgh but losing at home? Any reason?
It seems like we usually play them better in thier house than our own the last decade. Last year being the exception. Home field advantage hasn't meant much in Cleveland the last 10 years.
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BigF00t, In the first rating of NFL.com, the only two teams we play that are ranked below us are Tampa and Jacksonville the rest except the Lions (tie) are rated above us, yes the Cheifs and Bills. If we lose 1 of our first 2 games then we pick top 5 next draft. If we lose both, then top 3 is not out of the question. If we have a major injury or 2 along the way the #1 pick may be ours.  Looking at the schedule, no major injury issues, 5-11 to 7-9 but more likely a 6-10 finish, but in every game down to the last 5 minutes or better.
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yeah, that's kind of my thoughts as well, without reading the mass media publications.
I just hope the fans aren't getting their hopes up so high that they lose perspective of where this team is at. We really don't need to be doing another coaching change right now. The team got better last year with inferior talent. As long as things continue to progress, we should stay the course. Not saying i'm rooting for a top five pick, but the reality is that is probably where we will be picking. The first two weeks of the season will, in my mind, cement the deal if they do not come out of it 2-0. If you can't beat the bucs and the chiefs- then who are you going to beat?? Jacksonville and Buffalo are the next two targets.
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I just hope the fans aren't getting their hopes up so high that they lose perspective of where this team is at.
if we didn't do that, then what would preseason be for?
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Until we actually get to see where this team is at, good or bad, it is all speculation. Some are just embracing their hopes while others are shielding themselves from them
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I have always been affectionate with my hopes
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Some are just embracing their hopes
I have always been affectionate with my hopes
I'm the kind of guy that likes to embrace myself at least twice a day
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I'm the kind of guy that likes to embrace myself at least twice a day
that right there is too much info!!!
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I believe that the consensus is 6 - 8 wins. I tend to agree with that
Okey-Dokey-Smokey...I DON'T...And here's why...Post this one on your BR Wall Baby!!!
This team is built for a Short Passing game and Running the football...That relates to Clock Management...And should also equate to a LOW Interception Ratio for Dome...
This team is also built to WIN the Field Position Game...Our ST's are SUPERB...
Although our RT spot is questionable...4/5ths of this Line is well above average with Lauvao at RG...
I'm expecting a well-disciplined team both offensively and defensively...
Our ACE-In-The-Hole is Tampa and KC out of the gate...NO EXCUSES to not take both of these games and start the season at 2-0...Run it down their collective throats until every defensive player is suckin' O2 from the masks...
During that 2 game swing the defense gets valuable time...I'm referring to the Rooks and Brown in the Secondary...I guarantee ya' Ryan hasn't shown SQUAT yet defensively...These Corners are going to be playing TIGHT to the LOS all game long...Every game...
It's going to come down to several KEY things virtually every week...And I believe we are well-suited to accomplish these keys weekly...And it's predominantly got to do with the Offense and ST's...
Clock Management
Field Position
Turnovers
As long as we DO NOT turn the ball over on any consistent rate IN OUR TERRITORY we will be in every game all year...This will be due to that Clock Management and Superb ST play...
We take the 1st 2 and come out 2-0...We go 3-3 in the North...
We end up 9-7...Possibly 10-6...
Go Browns!!!
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