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You sure about that? i thought if you picked them up off of waivers you had to put them on the 53 man roster. If they clear waivers then they can be signed to a ps?
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Browns sign C Steve Vallos Link Browns land Steve Vallos on waivers Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2010 8:15 PM ET The waiver dance continues. The Seahawks released center Steve Vallos on Sunday. Per a league source, the Browns and Panthers submitted waiver claims. The Browns secured his service. Vallos, a seventh-round pick in 2007, appeared in 16 games in each of the past two seasons, starting eight of them. In Cleveland, Vallos will be reunited with Mike Holmgren, coach of the Seahawks when Vallos was drafted. Holmgren also may be interested in former Seahawks fullback Owen Schmitt, who also has been waived. Holmgren was the coach in Seattle when Schmitt was picked in 2008.
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So ...... we picked up 2 players ...... we had to cut a couple .....
Anyone know who?
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Vallos may go to the practice squad.
Quincy should cost a LB a spot.
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How is Vallos eligible? He has over a year accrued service?
Also I found the waiver rules and I must not understand them correctly because I still do not know where it says they can be put on a practice squad if they are picked up on waivers.
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I think that if they are claimed off waiver then their contract with their former team gets transferred to their new team. If they clear, then they have no contract and are then unrestricted free agents and start anew if signed after that. I also believe that it is their time of service intermixed with their time on an active roster that determines their eligibility for the practice squad. I don't believe just being claimed off the waiver wire changes any of that. HOWEVER, the only two copies of the CBA I could find were so horribly hard to navigate that I couldn't find the information I was looking for. So, I must rescind my original statement as well as the ones made in this post since I can't validate them with a source. I used to have a copy of the CBA on my computer but had to replace a faulty hard drive some while back and lost it. So anything I say regarding the CBA, (or anything else for that matter  ), must be permanently struck from the records.
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No. If they sign a player off of a practice squad, then they have to put him on the 53 man roster. But claiming him off waivers allows them to sign him to their own practice squad.
You sure about that? i thought if you picked them up off of waivers you had to put them on the 53 man roster. If they clear waivers then they can be signed to a ps?
You are correct. A player signed off waivers must be added to the roster. For any player to be added to the practice squad, he must first CLEAR waivers, then he is a FA to sign with anyone or on anyone's practice squad.
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I also believe that it is their time of service intermixed with their time on an active roster that determines their eligibility for the practice squad. I don't believe just being claimed off the waiver wire changes any of that.
I agree with this from what I know. In regards to Vallos I am pretty sure he has at least one year of accrued service which made him ineligible by itself. Another way to make him unable to be on the practice squad is by having two years on the practice squad already (which he doesn't have.)
The reason I bring this up is because i thought I read somewhere that they had revised this rule, so I'm not sure if the accrude year is still the threashold.
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I think that if they are claimed off waiver then their contract with their former team gets transferred to their new team. If they clear, then they have no contract and are then unrestricted free agents and start anew if signed after that.
I think this is also right. Why I'm unsure about the rule allowing them to put them on the practice squad is because it would take away their right to become a free agent without being able to retain their salary. I also believe that a practice squad member is not allowed to solicit other teams. If another team wants them then they have the right to claim them.
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Like you, I'm confused about that. I'd really like to see the words of the CBA before I am convinced either way.
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Billy Yates was let go to make room for Vallos. link Also, I'm fairly certain that players claimed off waivers have to be added to the 53 man roster. If this wasn't the case, then teams wouldn't have to waive players to add them to the practice squad (or, more technically, they could waive them then instantly claim them and add them to the practice squad).
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I figured it would be Yates. He was the backup interior lineman which is what Vallos plays.
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CBS Sports is reporting that the Browns have signed Quincy Butler.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1109424/quincy-butler
I have looked everywhere and cannot find any other confirmation that we signed this guy.
I am inclined to think that CBS took Elam's Twitter and ran with it ..... 
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We also haven't heard who was cut. I think I'll wait until it his the official site.
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Yeah, it bothers me that there hasn't been any other reports on Butler signing (with the exception of Wikipedia listing Butler as a Cleveland Brown - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Butler - Wiki couldn't be wrong, could it?). I think you may be right about CBS running with the Elam tweet as news. It could also be that the Browns are working on a deal that would clear roster space.
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You sure about that? i thought if you picked them up off of waivers you had to put them on the 53 man roster. If they clear waivers then they can be signed to a ps?
This should be your answer...He's on the Roster as Yates is released to make room...
CLEVELAND -- The Browns were awarded former Seahawks center Steve Vallos via waivers today and terminated the contract of offensive lineman Billy Yates to make room.
Vallos, a Boardman, O. native and graduate of Boardman High, was originally a seventh-round pick of the Seahawks in 2007 out of Wake Forest. He played in 16 games for the Seahawks over the past two seasons, starting three last season and five in 2008. He played under current Browns president and former Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren in 2008.
Vallos (6-3, 312) can play both guard and center. He's expected to be on the practice field for the first time on Wednesday.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/09/cleveland_browns_awarded_cente.html
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good, cuz Vallos > Yates.
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Last time we had a player from Boardman on the roster,...
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I would just like to say that Vallos played on my intramural basketball team in high school. He was a freshman and I was a senior. He showed up for 1 game. So, I'm still mad at him. 
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Yeah, it bothers me that there hasn't been any other reports on Butler signing (with the exception of Wikipedia listing Butler as a Cleveland Brown - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Butler - Wiki couldn't be wrong, could it?). I think you may be right about CBS running with the Elam tweet as news. It could also be that the Browns are working on a deal that would clear roster space.
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Heckert was surprised by a Tweet from Abe Elam that congratulated “Quincy Butler … the newest member of the Cleveland Browns.”
Not true, Heckert said.
You’ve gotta give Wiki credit for setting land speed records. The online encyclopedia has Butler listed as a member of the Browns. Butler most recently was with the Rams.
The Browns tell us they might make a move or two by tomorrow, but the 53 is today what it was yesterday, we are told.
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Again, A reason our antiquated rules are in place.
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I would just like to say that Vallos played on my intramural basketball team in high school. He was a freshman and I was a senior. He showed up for 1 game. So, I'm still mad at him.
Probably because he was a pretty fair wrestler finishing 2nd in the state in 2002,
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”Not true, Heckert said.
If this is not a prime example of why unreliable information should not be allowed to link to in this site.
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Hope you folks have it correct now.
Waived players must count on the 53 man roster, because if you select the player, then you also take responsibility for his contract as well.
Players whom are put on the practice squad have cleared waivers and become FA's and have a lower minimum salary base for the PS.
Hey, good to here we picked up another Boardman player.
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I think Billy Yates might have won his roster spot by default.
This was a weak link in our armor, so I'm pleased to see that we have fixed the link. 
I kinda guessed Pete Caroll would be cleaning house and that "The Boss" might be attending the yard sale.
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I would just like to say that Vallos played on my intramural basketball team in high school. He was a freshman and I was a senior. He showed up for 1 game. So, I'm still mad at him.
Probably because he was a pretty fair wrestler finishing 2nd in the state in 2002,
I'm assuming one of the "heftier" weight classes,...?? 
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Then did he have a brother? I graduated in 1997, so unless Steve Vallos failed a year, he must not have started until 1998.
Maybe that's why he only showed up to one game.
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good, cuz Vallos > Yates.
why do you say this?
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Browns waived ILB David Veikune.
A pass-rushing defensive end at Hawaii, Veikune never found a home at linebacker with coach Eric Mangini shuffling him between inside and outsider linebacker over the past year. Veikune was one of three second-round picks for the Browns last season. The other two will enter the 2010 season as the starting wide receivers.
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Not a big surprise there. I wonder who replaces him on the roster? Aha, http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/09/cleveland_browns_waived_2009_s.htmlCleveland Browns waived 2009 second-round pick David Veikune Published: Tuesday, September 07, 2010, 4:19 PM Updated: Tuesday, September 07, 2010, 4:21 PM CLEVELAND -- The Browns have conceded the David Veikune experiment won't be working out. They waived the 2009 second-round pick to make room for cornerback Derrick Roberson, an undrafted player who's been on the practice squad of three teams. Veikune was the 52nd overall pick of the 2009 draft. He played defensive end at Hawaii and was tried at both outside and inside linebacker. He played in 10 games as a rookie and was not credited with a tackle. Roberson, 5-10 and 180 pounds, appeared in six games with Tampa Bay last year. The transaction decreases the imbalance on the Browns' roster. They now have 11 linebackers and four cornerbacks. The team also confirmed it was awarded offensive lineman Steve Vallos off waivers from Seattle and waived swingman Billy Yates.
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CLEVELAND -- The Browns have conceded the David Veikune experiment won't be working out.
They waived the 2009 second-round pick to make room for cornerback Derrick Roberson, an undrafted player who's been on the practice squad of three teams.
Share Veikune was the 52nd overall pick of the 2009 draft. He played defensive end at Hawaii and was tried at both outside and inside linebacker. He played in 10 games as a rookie and was not credited with a tackle.
Roberson, 5-10 and 180 pounds, appeared in six games with Tampa Bay last year.
The transaction decreases the imbalance on the Browns' roster. They now have 11 linebackers and four cornerbacks.
The team also confirmed it was awarded offensive lineman Steve Vallos off waivers from Seattle and waived swingman Billy Yates.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/09/cleveland_browns_waived_2009_s.html
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Yep. Great minds and all ...... 
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Veikune was a big time swing and miss, IMO.
But, you live and learn. It sucks, but it is what it is.
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Now we just need Maiava to follow and we can close the book on our complete whiff on LBers in that draft.
Browns is the Browns
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Roberson? Really...Roberson?
How disgusted must the Browns and FO be with McDonald to cut his arse...then backfill w/ Roberson?
Wow.
The Veikune cut? Meh...whatever.
(Queue 100 posts about the "wasted" draft pick of Veikune followed by the 87 posts stating happiness that EM is no longer Commander-in-Chief in regards to personnel decisions.)
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How disgusted must the Browns and FO be with McDonald to cut his arse...then backfill w/ Roberson?
That's a good point. Something about B-Mac must have really rubbed them the wrong way.
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Ugh...hope some people(not U BF79) realize when some of us tell you guys certain players were taken way too high or just shouldn't have been drafted ,you guys will kinda listen more.. it was a waste..there were plenty of tweeners available that were more ready to play than him..waste of a high pick again.. 
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Remind me not to think about the fact that the starting right tackle for the Viking was on the Board when we took Veikune.
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How disgusted must the Browns and FO be with McDonald to cut his arse...then backfill w/ Roberson?
All you have to do is take one look at his Twitter account to see why.
He seemed to have turned a new leaf this training camp but I guess it's not enough.
That's a good point. Something about B-Mac must have really rubbed them the wrong way.
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Veikune was gonna be a bust whether he was on our squad or not. No shame in admitting a mistake, ridding yourself of the guy and moving forward as best as possible.
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Well now my world feels like its back on it's proper axes. *sigh*
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