|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,126
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,126 |
Quote:
NRTU Water,
I just want to make a comment about the title of this tread.
What does " The Process" really mean? Is it the one that Eric started last year, or is it the one that Mike started this year?
A team is as good as it's players, I don't care whose process it is. This team has a lack of play makers and the idea that we need to follow the Bill Bellyach system of getting rid of anyone with talent that makes a fuss is stupid.
Players are just like us fans there are many personalities and that group makes us what we are, some of the best and most abused fans in the NFL!
Talent is what wins and coaching is second rate, and believe me ours is second rate. 
We seem to want to turn this thing around through the draft but we all know that is a crap shoot. And how do you fill so many (lack of talent holes in the draft) and still be competitive?
When was the last time we signed a huge free agent (and do not make me puke and say Delome) or a talented player that has a case of the ass that might wake up a losing franchise.
Just want to know when did football become a sport of church boys and get away from the naughty ones? 
Excellent post. The problem with the process is it never accounts for winning. No where in the process is the team expected to win. The result is we keep winding up with talentless team where only winning a few games is considered a "successful" season. It makes me want to puke.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507 |
The more I think about it, I would trade Rogers and a pick for Lee Evans, if that's what it took. Rogers is not having an impact on our DL, and is expensive. That right there is reason enough that Buffalo might not want him anyway .... but if they did for some reason ..... I would make that trade in a heartbeat. I think, expect, and hope that we find a home for Mr Rogers by the deadline. My dream trade would be us bringing in either Evans or Smith .... preferably Evans because of age. If we could somehow wind up with a powerful pass rusher (I can only wish 1 would get traded, but they rarely do) I would be in heaven. Unfortunately, it's almost easier to trade for/sign as a free agent a QB in this league than to trade for a premiere pass rusher. I remember when some people were all freaked out because we traded away Wimbley. Then he had 5 sacks in a pre-season game. Now he has returned to reality, with 2 sacks through 6 games. Unfortunately, this is what you often get when you trade for a pass rusher. Incidently, this is what we have out of Roth tso far this year as well. Roth was a nice "freebie" last year ...... but I still question whether or not he is the long term answer at OLB. He usually does a nice job setting the edge of the defense, so that's a plus, but I don't know if he has the speed to be a consistently effective pass rusher in all seasons. So, given what I think could be available, if we could somehow move Rogers and pick up Evans, I would be elated. I would be happy if we could get Smith from Carolina. I just don't see any pass rushers as being available who would be worth trading for. Those guys are just too valuable to hit the trade market very often. I would still make a call to Dallas to see if Ware is available anyway though. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
Why do people think the Bills want to trade Lee Evans? They just gave him a contract extension a year or two ago and he's exactly the type of player most coaches want on their team.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507 |
He's only signed through next year (as far as I have seen) and is probably not going to come back to Buffalo unless they tag him. Bear in mind that there migth not even be a "next year".
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
Quote:
Lee Evans signed a long-awaited four-year, $37.25 million contract extension with the team today. The deal includes $18.25 million worth of guarantees. He will make $27 million over the first three years of the deal, including this year. Lee is now is under contract through 2012
Lee's Contract Extension
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 814
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 814 |
Quote:
disagree!
We didnt get hosed...we were a team desperate for players...desperate for bodies that weren't primadonnas, werent soft, and were able to play the 3-4 and play the style of football that our coach wanted.
With one trade (and a couple subsequent trades) we landed Mack, Elam, Mosley, Coleman, Ratliff, Massaquoi, Francies and Carey...
So...in need of guys that play the style of our coach, we landed 8 guys with one pick. You can argue that these guys arent very good, or that they were wasted picks...but...from One pick (#5) we netted 5 (Mosley, Coleman, Elam, Mack, and Massaquoi) starters last year, and 3 still start (Massaquoi, Elam, and Mack) and Coleman just had his best game as a professional...
How did we get hosed? we dont have a QB...well okay, but we have one now in McCoy as well as steady veterans in Wallace and Delhomme (maybe less steady but he's generally a smart guy)...Maybe Delhomme and McCoy dont pan out as the next Peyton Mannings, but McCoy is a guy that can inspire confidence in his record as a starter. Delhomme has a track record as a QB thats been to the playoffs more times than our team and to more Super Bowls than our team has ever been to...So...we're not as far off on the QB spot as many seem to think.
But to get back to the post.
Saying we got hosed is just plain not true.
We needed bodies that our coach was familiar with, played his style, were into playing his style and we netted 8 and 3 of which still start and 4 of which have been replaced by better talent.
Theres no way you can call that hosed.
I am not a "stay the course guy" when it is going downhill.
for want of a few offensive adjustments we win the first two contest.
For the want of some defensive adjustments( do not leave wright on an island all day with no safety help) we may have won #3.
We were OUTCOACHED every game. Our opponents adjused and we did not.
Now as for the trade of our #1 pick we got a bag of turds and a decent center and the Jets got a franchise QB. Not since Seattle traded a bag of turds to dallas in the tny Dorsett trade did a team trade a truck of mediocre bodies for one big time player. we also got junk for Edwards and Winslow.
This year we lied( the front office) that Jake was not in career freefall.
we lied to ourselves(the front office) we had a solid receiving corp and did not need veteran help. We lied about our oline depth. we signed oft injured pashos and he well, pretty much was injury prone and is now done for te year. I gave Mangini an F on personnel moves and Holmgren a c+.
I give mangini and staff an F on game day coaching
We got some hard nosed players yet one noone stood by or two players that suffered concussions it is obvious we need more. I do not see us winning more than 4 games all year and that will NOT keep mangini his job nor should it. see ya.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
I gave Mangini an F on personnel moves
I would give him an incomplete... seeing as, ya know, Heckert makes those decisions now...
But hey, let's blame the HC for whatever we can, regardless if it's factual or not.
As long as it get's us a new one every 3 years! 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,959
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,959 |
Quote:
Quote:
I gave Mangini an F on personnel moves
I would give him an incomplete... seeing as, ya know, Heckert makes those decisions now...
But hey, let's blame the HC for whatever we can, regardless if it's factual or not.
As long as it get's us a new one every 3 years!
Joe still blames Mangini for trading away Quinn., the guy he has a man crush on
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
That's understandable though... I mean it's not like we got anything of value out of that trade... 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
First of all, you're facts are wrong. Massaquoi's pick came from Tampa Bay in the Winslow deal.
We traded the #5 pick for Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abe Elam, and David Veikune.
How you can possibly classify that as anything but getting hosed is beyond me.
Mangini's trades were atrocious.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
Quote:
We traded the #5 pick for Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abe Elam, Alex Mack and David Veikune.
How you can possibly classify that as anything but getting hosed is beyond me.
I agree.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,590
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,590 |
Quote:
First of all, you're facts are wrong. Massaquoi's pick came from Tampa Bay in the Winslow deal.
We traded the #5 pick for Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abe Elam, and David Veikune.
How you can possibly classify that as anything but getting hosed is beyond me.
Mangini's trades were atrocious.
They turned out to be atrocious ... but at the time he made a solid trade (not terrible not great) and just didnt finish it.
For the #5 Pick we got a Starting Center, Starting Safety, Quality DLineman, and a 2nd round pick. Not to mention a 3rd string QB who hasn't shown anything.. but still could be ok in this league? Who knows.
The trade itself didn't result in Veikune .. and if it would have been maybe LeSean or Loadholt (the next two picks) we would probably have loved it.
The point is taken and I agree with you though that Mangini's personnel move at the time to select Veikune was childish at best.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things."
@pstu24
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Quote:
Quote:
We traded the #5 pick for Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abe Elam, Alex Mack and David Veikune.
How you can possibly classify that as anything but getting hosed is beyond me.
I agree.
Whoops.
You could also slip James Davis and Coye Francis in, as they were the result of our further slide down the board.
That drafted will haunt us for awhile.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,959
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,959 |
Quote:
First of all, you're facts are wrong. Massaquoi's pick came from Tampa Bay in the Winslow deal.
We traded the #5 pick for Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abe Elam, and David Veikune.
How you can possibly classify that as anything but getting hosed is beyond me.
Mangini's trades were atrocious.
Well, technically, Coleman wasn't that horrible,, but up in years.. and Veikune wasn't something we traded for.. We traded for a pick and some players and Veikune was a draft choice with that pick.., So the trade wasn't bad, it was the draft pick
Sorry,, just having some fun with ya. 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
That was kind of my thought, the trade wasn't bad, the pick was bad... there are a number of names that if you insert instead of Veikune make the trade look pretty good.
All of this is why I'm glad Mangini doesn't have control over personnel any more.
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577 |
Well, were on Heckerts watch now.. we'll see what happens.
SaintDawg™
Football, baseball, basketball, wine, women, walleye
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Why "The Process" Will Work if
We're Patient
|
|
