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I'd be okay with Lebron posting those racist comments made toward him if he was white, but because he's black I hate him. (sarcasm)

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for one, why wasn't he determined with us for 7 years.




looking back, he was determined most of the time. definitely for the first 6 years as you could see the whole team (mostly starting with him) elevate their play in the postseason.

then the Orlando series happened. he learned that as great and focused as he was, that a good 'team' could still beat him. he decided to take it all on his own in game5 but it looked like it took a ton out of him because he couldn't manage to do it again in game6 that series.

last season, he played like he always plays in the regular season (which is darn good), but he never elevated his play in the postseason. we had one more shot at a championship, but he had already decided he couldn't do it. that's what makes me mad and disappointed.

anyways, that's how I see it.


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i wonder how much it changed when they ran into that boston team a few years ago, and lost in game 7..

maybe lebron saw what those guys became, which were guys in their prime soon to be out of it, and at the time had no rings. and probably were only going to get one. and lebron knows that his brand is nothing without rings. he can't put his name on everything and not win. doesn't work like that.

although with his talent i think he stood a better chance of doing it on his own instead of joining up. and he gave the cavaliers no chance by being noncommital the whole time.

still with the focus thing, i know that he was focused with the cavs, he carried that pretty mediocre team to the finals, he played his butt off, but now he's more focused because some idiots on twitter didn't have anything else to do? which as a whole, is fueled by something he started himself. i just don't buy it.

if lbj wins a title this year, it's because he's on a better team with better players, not because he's focused or because a few bad eggs fired him up.

i just think if they are gonna play the more focused card, i'm gonna play the, where was that for the last 7 years card. it's only right.

sorry windy, bad article man.

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and i would easily welcome him back any time




That makes one of us. No thanks, he burned that bridge.I didnt read windhorst's article either, because I refuse to go to that website. Its a total joke on BSPN, I barely go to that website/watch the channel anymore after the lebacle.


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I still read it, just not as much as before ... it's amazing how much they coddle him. I mean they might was well put up a big web banner that says, "We have no credibility anymore" ... you read the comments in the articles, and people pretty much agree.

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i'm over lebron, i wish him well, i hope we kick his ass on the 2nd, and i would easily welcome him back any time, but i'm tired of bspn.




I wish him ill, hope he gets injured for his career, and will never welcome him back. You are a bigger man than I.

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don't get me wrong, i still think what he did was wrong, i think the entire decision thing is a shady event that many should be ashamed of, james, his people, and bspn.

but i am just being honest. if he said, "you know what, i made mistakes, i wasn't myself, hey cleveland, please take me back and forgive me" i'd be the first guy there welcoming him back.

he was good for the city, the cavs, until proven otherwise are better off for him.

but i can be proven wrong, if the cavs draft someone in the next few years who welcomes the challenge of being in cleveland, playing in cleveland, and being a cavalier, and is a great player? than i would probably say no thanks bron, but we got our guy.

i love basketball and i love the cavs, and what we are gonna go through the next few years is going to be tough.

i don't think they are gonna be downright horrible, but there's just now way they can sniff the level that the lakers, heat, celtics, and magic are gonna have.

what do we have to look forward to in cleveland? the AAA tribe? colt mccoy and the overachievers? i'd take him back in a heartbeat and i bet some of you think the same but just don't wanna show it.

i'm in no way apologizing for the guy because what he did to us was horrible, wrong, and uncessasary. but the bottom line is that they were quite close to bringing a parade to cleveland.

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if he said, "you know what, i made mistakes, i wasn't myself, hey cleveland, please take me back and forgive me" i'd be the first guy there welcoming him have.






I'd put the Odds of him saying that at eleventy gazillion to one.

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LBJ absolutely cannot stand being disliked. It's just eating away at him, hence all of his antics ...

He honestly was blindsided by this ... he really thought he would continue to be beloved.

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i'd take him back in a heartbeat and i bet some of you think the same but just don't wanna show it.

i'm in no way apologizing for the guy because what he did to us was horrible, wrong, and uncessasary. but the bottom line is that they were quite close to bringing a parade to cleveland.




i agree.

the other question is what happens if after 10 years he decides for whatever reason (likely marketing) that he would like to retire a Cav and play his last couple seasons back here. would the fans (10 years later) welcome him back?

unless we win a championship in that timeframe (doubtful) or he is still an elite player (also sort of doubtful by that time...he'd be a good not great player most likely), i would think he has burned that bridge. not sure how I would feel about it and I seem to be more forgiving than a lot on here.


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the whole thing is hypothetical. i realize the odds of lebron getting on his hands and knees and begging for us back is unlikely.

i think in order for any of that to ever happen, we'd need a different owner, or he'd have to have about a 3 hour sit down with dan gilbert.

i honestly don't see the miami thing as a permanent thing. i don't think he's there for the rest of his career. i even read one miami writer that thought he would be on his way back to cleveland after winning a few titles in miami (actually was written the day before the decision)

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I love the coverage of the Heat during the preseason... I saw highlights of Heat vs Bobcats the other day...

"Lebron with a huge dunk!"

"Lebron with a great steal!"

"Dwayne Wade is coming back soon!"

*psst* "Hey... The Heat lost... But don't mention that AT ALL.."


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i honestly don't see the miami thing as a permanent thing. i don't think he's there for the rest of his career. i even read one miami writer that thought he would be on his way back to cleveland after winning a few titles in miami (actually was written the day before the decision)




Was that the same guy they had on WKNR the day of the Decision? I thought that guy was a tool. "LeBron is going to come to Miami for a few years to learn how to win from Pat Riley, then he'll go back to the Cavs."

The only way I would ever be ok with him coming back is if he was sincerely apologetic for what he did to his former team and its city. As it stands now, he isn't the least bit sorry about what he did. He feels sorry for himself for not anticipating the extent of the backlash that he faced, and that's about it.

And that Windhorst article was garbage. It was little more than an attempt to drum up national support for a guy who's problems are 100% self-inflicted.

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Miami just lost to Atlanta by 9, and LeBron and Bosh played 79 minutes (out of 240) between them. Wade is still hurt, and they've already lost Mike Miller to injury as well. This is the team that's supposed to win 75 games this season?

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wth...did windy take his talents to south beach as well? he's now the miami beat reporter for ESPN.

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Yep. Started a week or two ago.

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*psst* "Hey... The Heat lost... But don't mention that AT ALL.."




Well to be fair, it is preseason basketball, which is even less meaningful than the NFL 4th preseason game. I put it right up there with a training camp for the MLB.


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i would not be surprised if wade gets hurt, he's ALWAYS hurt. the guy is made of glass, like lebron or not, that was a tough guy that constantly played banged up. as a hockey player, i lost a ton of respect for wade when he had to be pushed off in a wheel chair after injuring his shoulder. i don't know if he's a complete wuss or just a drama queen, but come on man.

i really think there is a chance things go bad in miami too. adrian wojnarowski had an article saying that he felt with the way he saw the first few preseason games that it was lebron's team, but miami was wade's town.

does anyone else see that as a recipe for disaster?

how long until there's infighting because one guy didn't get the ball with 5 seconds left in a tie game, or until chris bosh starts whining about touches?

not saying it is gonna happen but i think that team has a ton they need to work out before you can talk about breaking the bulls record.

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Wade is def a whimp. Bosh is hurt every yr missing games it seems too. Now with Miller hurt they could add up, it is not a deep team thats for sure. Though I want them to be healthy and still fail, no excuses.

On the wade in the wheelchair note, I remember Paul Pierce doing the same thing, being carted off only to come back the second half, gimmie a freakin break.


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Well to be fair, it is preseason basketball, which is even less meaningful than the NFL 4th preseason game. I put it right up there with a training camp for the MLB.




actually, there's a whole bunch of articles out there that show the NBA preseason actually is a pretty good indicator of regular season success.

much, much moreso than MLB or NFL.

obviously, it's not perfect and you have to account for injuries, but to say it's worthless is not correct.

(PM me if you'd like the article and I'll dig it up, it's a blog, so I cannot post here)


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i dunno man, i mean the cavs are like 5-1 preseason.

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i'm really sick of the national media lebron apologists giving us the "well you shouldn't be mad look at what he gave you for 7 years" what, an unfocused attitude towards winning a championship and never delivering? and then making a mockery of the organization and the town on national tv?





What he gave us was his input in how to run the team, what free agents to go after etc.. then when those moves proved not to work he blamed the team for not doing enough...


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i'd take him back in a heartbeat and i bet some of you think the same but just don't wanna show it.




Uh, no.


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i dunno man, i mean the cavs are like 5-1 preseason.




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I don't think that means we'll win 75% of our games, but I do think that means the more optimistic forecasts (just over .500) could be closer to correct than the negative ones (under 20 games)


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Uh, no.




maybe you, but i bet there are some people on here, who won't say it, but would gladly welcome him back. you can't speak for everyone.

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I wouldn't let that punk buy me dinner. Let alone come back to Cleveland and represent us again. He knows Cleveland sports history with all the "The..." bad moments and he goes out of his way to host a "The Decision" show to shaft us. Bull crap. He did that on purpose. Any talk of him coming back is to attempt to show he's a nice guy (which isn't true).

My sports dream right now is to grab the 8 seed this season and then sweep their asses. Talk about awesome. Oh ya, and have him get thrashed the whole series to the point of tears.

Sounds like I'm not over it.....but I am. Doesn't mean I don't want to still stick it to him.


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sports have made me NOT believe in karma. unless the shady politicians in Cuyahoga County are really to blame for all that has happened.

but I'd love to see some karmic justice on the Heat (if they cannot stay healthy being one of the ways it could happen).


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He can come back to Ohio when they bury his ass.

Until than he can stay the hell out.


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I can't wait till Wade goes out for the season, Bosh proves to be the Non-All Star that he is...

And LeBron has to do it "All by himself" ..all over again...

He left Cleveland so he didn't have to be "The Man" and they are already calling him The Man in Miami...

Grass isn't always greener...

Lakers in 5... If Miami even makes it there...


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there should be a rule for Cavs threads this season, unless we play the heat, you cant talk about the deserter, if you do, automatic 1 week suspension.

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Can we sign James Harrison to a 10-day contract in December? Maybe he can lead with his head while covering Lebron, and give both of them season ending concussions.

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support your local cavaliers, when I say support, wear your cavalier gear with pride,

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We will still suprise a lot of people this year and finish above 500.


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I need to get some new gear, after throwing away all the shirts that said King James and #23 jerseys all I have left is a hat.

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By SANTOSH VENKATARAMAN
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AP) -- The Cleveland Cavaliers' season ended in bitter disappointment when the Boston Celtics knocked them out of the playoffs in May. That setback paled in comparison to the blow absorbed two months later when LeBron James made "The Decision" to leave his home state to join Miami.

The Cavaliers are no longer one of the league's marquee teams and may be hard-pressed to even make the playoffs as they begin to pick up the pieces following the departure of James in their season opener Wednesday night at home against the Celtics.

The date of July 8, 2010, will forever be remembered in Cleveland (0-0) after James - an Akron native who became an iconic figure in Ohio after being drafted first overall by the Cavaliers in 2003 - used a nationally-televised, prime-time special to utter the infamous words that he was "taking his talents to South Beach" to try to earn his first NBA title with the Heat.

The loss of James capped a tumultuous offseason in which popular coach Mike Brown was fired and general manager Danny Ferry opted to leave the organization.

The moves were thought to be orchestrated by owner Dan Gilbert in an effort to re-sign James. Gilbert was rebuffed by Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, and eventually hired former Nets and Hornets coach Byron Scott on July 2.

When the two-time MVP departed six days later, Gilbert lashed out in an open letter to Cavaliers fans, guaranteeing that Cleveland will win a championship before "the self-titled former 'king' wins one." A local radio host hired a witch doctor Tuesday to try to jinx James and his attempt to win a title elsewhere.

Cleveland won the most games in the NBA the previous two seasons (127), but never reached the stated goal of winning the franchise's first title. The expectations are far lower now.

"I love the underdog theory," Scott said. "Being a guy who came in and was put in the same situation, I can relate to it. I know it's a very motivating factor for a lot of players.

"As much as possible, I'm going to keep bringing it up. I don't want them to forget what people are saying and writing about them. If that's the thing to keep them motivated and playing at a high level, I'll say it every single day."

There are solid players left for Scott, albeit no superstars. Former All-Stars Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison join center Anderson Varejao and improving third-year forward J.J. Hickson to form the core.

Williams - the leading returning scorer at 15.8 points per game - is questionable for the opener after missing most of the preseason with a groin injury.

"So yes, it was a time where I felt their same pain," said Williams about losing James. "But at the same time, when you get here and get around this organization and the new team and Byron and the new coaches, you feel excited."

A less notable departure for Cleveland was the loss of Shaquille O'Neal to Boston (1-0). The declining 38-year-old center had a minimal impact in his lone season with the Cavaliers in 2009-10, and signed a two-year offseason deal with the Celtics.

O'Neal and Boston got the NBA's first look at James in an 88-80 victory over Miami in the ballyhooed league season opener Tuesday. While James scored 31 points, the Celtics held Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to a combined 21 and limited the Heat to 36.5 percent shooting.

Rajon Rondo, who averaged 20.7 points and 11.8 assists in last season's playoff series against the Cavaliers, handed out 17 assists. Ray Allen scored 20 points, and O'Neal was limited to nine and seven boards in 18 foul-plagued minutes in his Celtics debut.

Updated October 27, 2010

http://stats.cleveland.com/nba/preview.asp?g=2010102705&home=5&vis=2


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i picked a really bad night to go to a blackhawks game.

you've got tonight:

cavs/celtics
ws game 1 (which i do want to watch since they aren't teams from the usual cities
bulls/thunder
and i could still flip to the blackhawks/kings

perfect night to sit on the coach and drink some beers.

although both of my main hockey teams are playing tonight so i'd be at the rink if i wasn't going to the game. can't win.

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perfect night to sit on the coach and drink some beers.

although both of my main hockey teams are playing tonight so i'd be at the rink if i wasn't going to the game. can't win.




you're looking at this all wrong. it sounds like you can't lose with those options.


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Will be interesting to see how the Cavs do tonight. Celts are on a back-to-back after a big first-win, and this is the first Cavs game minus Lebron. The team is going to have a chip on it's shoulder. Plus, Cleveland is set to run some quick small-ball ... the offense that people were insisting that we run against the Celts last year in the playoffs when we kept throwing Shaq out their to heave up akward looking shots.

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