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I wouldn't have a problem drafting a QB #1 even if CM looks good from here on out (now if he starts playing unbelievably lights out,maybe not) Having 2 starting caliber QB's on your roster is in no way a waste, it's like money in the bank.
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I gave up on Santa a long time ago Shep. What I was getting at, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, even if the Browns end the season 5-11. If 4 of those 5 wins are from the division, does it matter what the record says? Doesn't the team who wins the most games in the division go to the playoffs?. So Pitt is 5-1, and the Ravens are 5-2, that doesn't mean the Browns can not finish the last away game with the Bengals with a win and finish the final 2 home games with all out effort and win. That right there gives them a 4-2 Division Title win. Of course that would mean the Brown in the playoffs and if they don't come out with a superbowl birth, and win, then the Holmgen thing is a bust and we need to scap the whole thing and start over.  gotta have fun with it all, ya know? Remember, any given Sunday. 
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I gave up on Santa a long time ago Shep. What I was getting at, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, even if the Browns end the season 5-11. If 4 of those 5 wins are from the division, does it matter what the record says? Doesn't the team who wins the most games in the division go to the playoffs?.
No, it's the team with the best overall record. Division record is used as one of the tiebreakers.
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My comment on drafting a Qb in the 1st is to be careful and make sure he is a 1st round caliber Qb and just a Qb we take in the 1st round.
If Andrew Luck comes out I would take him. I honestly believe he will be the next Peyton Manning. Locker I am not sold on. Not sure he is a top 10 value but I could be convinced. Ponder? I haven't seen enough of him. What I saw this year is a stronger arm than I remember from last year. I am thinking Locker is a middle round 1 talent with Ponder being late round 1. With a Qb premium give them reasonable value at pick #10 and 15 respectively. Mallet to me is a late 3rd early 4th round talent. JMHO on these prospects
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Don't shoot the messenger Expect Cleveland Browns to start Jake Delhomme if he's healthy, says Bill Livingston (SBTV) Published: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 12:01 PM Updated: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 12:13 PM Starting Blocks, The Plain Dealer Jake Delhomme likely will get the call from the Browns if he's healthy enough, says Bill Livingston. Welcome to today's edition of Starting Blocks TV, our Web video show about what's going on in Cleveland sports. Today's show is hosted by Branson Wright and Chuck Yarborough. The Browns earned an upset win Sunday over the New Orleans Saints. Does this Browns team have a shot at the playoffs? Cast your vote in today's Starting Blocks poll. Today's guest on SBTV, Plain Dealer columnist Bill Livingston, says the Browns don't have a shot at the postseason. He also says that he expects the Browns to go back to Jake Delhomme as their starting quarterback after the bye week, if he's healthy, and make Colt McCoy a backup again. Livy says the Browns are loyal to Delhomme and likely feel he deserves a shot to show what he can do as the starter. Livy also talks about the Browns' trick plays Sunday; and what he thinks about the start of the NBA season tonight. http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2010/10/cleveland_browns_made_great_us.html
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I've not expected anything different.
Delhomme was the starter to begin with, if he's healthy, he should start...
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The key words being "if he's healthy." Mangini has trotted Delhomme out there TWICE when he wasn't healthy and it was a disaster both times. Delhomme is bad enough when he's healthy. We don't need him gimping around out there and throwing pick-6s because he can't move and can't step into his throws (in addition to his normal lapses in judgement). I'd rather not see Delhomme out there at all. However, if Mangini has to play him he'd better be 100%. 
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Totally... 100+ QB Ratings suck. 
We need someone that can at least get us 105+!
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Why?
It would not surprise me if Wallace (if) ready would start over Colt, but don't forget that preparation will come into play and I see Colt getting one more start, then who knows?
I would rather they start the vet and bring Colt off the bench if needed.
If Colt starts and is having a bad day,
(His fault or otherwise) to get yanked would have a greater sociological impact on the youngster then one of the vets.
if they can't cut the mustard or maybe the team doesn't respond, then bring in Colt and witch ever sparks the team, then go with it.
I'm not so sure that loyalty to a Veteran player is a bad thing, unless it's obvious that we have better.
We have people above, whom I can't see let that go on.
What FA is going to want to come and play for the Browns if you treat the vets with no respect?
The rule used to be that, a veteran should not lose his job due to injury.
It is of coarse a moot point until they are ready to try and take back their jobs.
Colt will stay hungry and hopefully still confident, but won't have to feel like he has to single handily save this season.
Here is hoping Colt makes it a really tough choice for the Browns after NE.
Assuming he gets the start.
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Totally... 100+ QB Ratings suck.
We need someone that can at least get us 105+!
Pick-6's and losses suck. Stats are for losers. 
Oh... and if you're going to use stats, at least use relevant ones. His QB rating for the regular season is 48.2.
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Thanks Purp. Delhomme was playing very well up until the injury. I don't understand most not giving him a chance. He was playing at top form until that hit.Playing him injured ruined his standing with the fans.
I say he deserves the start, but I know he understands how shrt the lease will be. Delhomme is no idiot.
When healthy, he is a good choice given his abitlity to read a defense.With a little solidarity on the line, and a good running game, I still think he could be effective. The defense will make it so he doesn't need to win it himself.
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I am using a relevant stat: His QB rating from the start of the season until he first got injured.... which was over 100.
The discussion is "IF Healthy"... that is what he did when Healthy.
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I don't know where you get a 100+ rating up to that point. His pick-almost-six toward the end of the half is part of his "healthy" rating (in fact, I think he pulled up lame after throwing that ball), so, the max you can give him is in the 70's (his rating at the half was 72.9).
Regardless, his bonehead decision to throw that ball killed any momentum the Browns had and they never recovered. That's the kind of stuff I was referring to when I said Delhomme was bad enough when healthy. He's done that his entire career.
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He was injured on that play... so no, he was not healthy at that point as it was the point that he became unhealthy. His performance up until then put him over 100.
As to the decision making.... that comes with the territory of a QB that goes downfield. Delhomme had a single terrible year, that just happened to be last year. Prior to his injury this year, he was playing at a very high level.... making good decisions and generally be very effective in operating our offense.
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The key words being "if he's healthy." Mangini has trotted Delhomme out there TWICE when he wasn't healthy and it was a disaster both times.
Of course,, that's the key.. There was an interview with him on the Browns site where he said as much.. of course, he wants to start but he doesn't want to do it until he's physically ready.. even he admits it.
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Hard to tell what he'd have been.. he was doing alright before he got injured in the first game and putting him in after Wallace went down was insane.. so I"m not holding that against him...
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Delhomme was the starter to begin with, if he's healthy, he should start...
Why,so he can become a turnover machine again?
He's fragile..and when the pressure is on he's going to do his Farve imitation and serve up some picks.
I don't think he's healthy at all.
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Delhomme was the starter to begin with, if he's healthy, he should start...
Why,so he can become a turnover machine again?
He's fragile..and when the pressure is on he's going to do his Farve imitation and serve up some picks.
I don't think he's healthy at all.
Hey Hey now.. you don't know if he's going to turn the ball over or not. the guy got about a half a game before he got banged up.. so all you got to go on is last season., (which has merit of course)
My sense of loyalty to a player would lead me down the wrong path more often then I'd care to admit, but being kind of an old school guy, I still believe a starter doesn't lose his job to injury... If I'm the coach, When healthy , he returns to his role as starter..
The caviat to that is if the person replacing him is just taking the league by storm then perhaps a rethinking would occur.. you do have to look to the future in this case... While I haven't any problem with Colt McCoy.. I don't believe anyone could say without a doubt, he's the future.. I hope he is,, but I don't know it for sure yet..
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When healthy JD is immobile ,and from what little I saw he'll panic and force it,thinking he can make a play..he did that the first game didn't he??
As far as starter losing his job..I've seen it happen,U and everyone on this board have it happen on just about every team,and I'm noting NE as a standout in my mind.
IMO the better QB to start is Wallace,with McCoy the #2 ..
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You know what,,, I don't care.. He's the starter if I'm the coach if he's healthy..
Like I said, I'm old school,, that's the way I beleive it should be..
All the stuff about him being 'immobile" He was all of that before he got here..
Point is, he got one half of one game before he was injured and I just don't think I could let him sit if healthy...
UNLESS, McCoy is tearing up the league.. which thus far, he isn't.
When you talk about the Pats, you are talking about when Brady was inserted after Bledsoe got injured.
Two differences,,1. Bledsoe was way more seriously injured than is Delhomme and was going to be out what should have been longer than delhomme.
2. While in place of Bledsoe, Brady did a pretty darn good job.. so in that regard, look at my other belief that says the Starter doesn't loose his job unless the guy who replaced him is tearing up the league.. Brady wasn't, but he was doing a damn fine job.
Colt McCoy may end up being the next Tom Brady for all I know..But at this point I don't have any proof of that.
As for Wallace. Again, same thing.. he was the starter in Delhommes absence.. If he's more healthy than Delhomme, then in my eyes, He goes in instead of McCoy...
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You know what,,, I don't care..
When he starts throwing picks lemmie know how much U don't care.
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LINK Clark Judge says he wants more of McCoy.
McCoy's surprise move gives Browns intriguing problem
By Clark Judge
Oct. 26, 2010
Suddenly, there's a quarterback controversy in Cleveland, and, nope, I'm not talking about Peyton Hillis vs. Colt McCoy. I'm talking about Colt McCoy vs. the future.
McCoy is the third-round draft pick who was supposed to be a project and wouldn't play this season. Only he is playing, pressed into emergency duty after injuries subtracted Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace from the huddle, and in two games he has played so effectively that it's impossible to ignore the inevitable question.
What happens when Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace are OK?
Once upon a time, they were at the top of the depth chart, with McCoy buried deep in the third position. But that was then, and this is now, and now Colt McCoy is starting to look and act like a quarterback with no intention of stepping down. While that may not be good for Delhomme and Wallace, it is for the Browns, who just knocked off a defending Super Bowl champion for the third straight season.
Now, think about that: Colt McCoy just beat the New Orleans Saints, something Peyton Manning and Tom Brady could not a year ago. Yeah, OK, so it happens. But it wasn't supposed to happen with Colt McCoy. The scouting report on him was that he needed time to develop and learn, with a lot of sitting, watching and listening recommended. And even then there was no guarantee he'd make it.
Only now I'm not so sure.
It's not just that Colt McCoy is playing better than expected; it's how he's taken to his new job. I mean, the minute he stepped into the huddle as a starter he volunteered to break down the team after a practice that week. Maybe some of his teammates found it amusing to have a third-string rookie call them to order, but McCoy didn't. He not only wanted the job; he knew what to do when he got it.
Then, on the eve of his first starting assignment -- against the Pittsburgh Steelers, no less -- McCoy stepped in front of his teammates again, this time at the team hotel Saturday night, to tell them what they could expect the following afternoon.
"You can count on me," he promised. "I'm going to play well."
And he did. The Browns didn't lose to Pittsburgh because of Colt McCoy. They lost because the Pittsburgh Steelers are a better team, period. Even so, with four minutes left in the third quarter, Cleveland trailed by only four, and tell me that's not an achievement.
It was. Only it was nothing compared to what happened last weekend, and that's what has me thinking that, no matter what quarterbacks are available, the Browns must play McCoy against New England on Nov. 7. I mean, so far, so good, right? It's not as if McCoy is the next Manning or Brady, but he's a heckuva lot better than Brady Quinn, and Quinn was a starter last season who, like McCoy, knocked off a defending Super Bowl champion.
Delhomme and Wallace remain sidelined with ankle injuries, with Wallace the more likely to heal first, and both are iffy for the New England game. But this is no longer about them. It's about Colt McCoy and his future as the Browns' starter.
All I know is that after two games I want to see more because after two games he's not the guy I thought he was. I mean, he stunk when he was sitting at the third pole position, fumbling snaps, making bad decisions and throwing interceptions when he got a chance to play, which wasn't often. But once he assumed command, he transformed into the quarterback he's been at every level of football -- a genuine, honest-to-goodness leader -- and that's something the Cleveland Browns have been missing for years.
“I think Colt had a harder time not being 'The Man,' " coach Eric Mangini said. “He didn’t get a lot of reps in training camp or in preseason and went from a situation where he was someone everyone was focused on to someone who was just trying to make the team and know the system.
"You never know how young guys are going to react, but when I told him he was going to start he was very comfortable with it. He just looked at ease. And that was surprising to me because for a lot of young guys that can be debilitating. But not him."
Granted, he hasn't produced big numbers. In fact, he hasn't done much statistically, throwing one touchdown and catching a Hillis option pass in two starts. But that's not bad. In fact, it's good. It's very good. With Cleveland playing as well as it has on defense, McCoy doesn't have to be the next Bernie Kosar to have an impact on this team or this season. He just needs to be himself and not make mistakes -- which is exactly what he's doing.
Look at the New Orleans game. He didn't commit a turnover. Tell me the last time that happened to the Browns. It was the third week of the season, and now you know why they're 2-5. They don't have the talent to overcome mistakes, a lesson that was served in the opener when two Jake Delhomme interceptions cost them a game they should've won.
I know, McCoy doesn't have a cannon for a right arm, and his size (he's 6-feet-1) can cost him deflected passes at the line of scrimmage. Big deal. He's smart, and he's accurate. In fact, he's so smart that he threw away two passes last weekend when it appeared he would be sacked -- something that can take a quarterback years ... if ever ... to learn.
But McCoy already has it down. He also throws a catchable ball and knows where to throw it, with a 65.3 percent completion rate that is better than Delhomme or Wallace and a higher yards per attempt (7.24), too.
So, maybe, just maybe, the Browns knew what they were doing when they drafted him. Or maybe they just fell into a starter waiting to happen, I don't know. What I do know is they have a choice to make when Delhomme and Wallace return, and the decision would be a lot easier if Mangini's future weren't so unclear. If this were, say, New England or Tennessee or Philadelphia or somewhere the head coach knows he's a lock to return you'd stay with McCoy the rest of the season and develop him for 2011.
But Mangini doesn't have that luxury because he doesn't know where he will be next year. It's all predicated on what happens now, and I think you can see the dilemma: It's hard to attack a short-term problem with a long-term solution, which is precisely what makes Colt McCoy's situation so compelling. 5br />
Yeah, he's accurate and smart and wise beyond his years, but he's also a rookie, prone to making mistakes borne of inexperience, and when your future is as fragile as Mangini's it's dangerous to rely on a rookie as a lifeline. Mangini has no choice. But at some point he will, and that's when the plot thickens.
McCoy has demonstrated he might have a future in this league, and that's more than anyone who saw him this summer would've predicted. So that's a start. Now, the rest is up to him and his head coach. McCoy plays as long as Delhomme and Wallace are sidelined, but soon Mangini must choose between a quarterback with experience vs. a quarterback with a future.
What happens next to Colt McCoy and the Cleveland Browns could depend on that decision. What happens next to Eric Mangini could, too.
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When he starts throwing picks lemmie know how much U don't care.
Don't confuse the issue.. THe point was, does he get his job back if healthy,, and I say YES he does..
If he starts throwing picks, then that becomes a whole different problem and can/should be dealt with at that point.
And it's NOT just me that feels that way.. Go listen to the Cribbs interview.., somewhere in there, McCoy comes up and so does Delhomme.. Cribbs makes it clear that he doesn't feel a starter should lose his job to injury either..
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I get so confused over how the messages can be so different concerning McCoy.. with my own eyes, during the pittsburgh game, I saw what appeared to be a scared little kid under center and during the course of the game, he grew up and became a man.. (come on, I know it's an odd comparison  ) Then during the Saints game, I saw a young man that took what little they gave him and with the lead from damn near the beginning, he did nothing to hurt the team.. for me, that seemed like the smart way to handle it.. And as the game wore on, with us still in command of the game because of our D and our ST's,,, McCoy/Daboll/Mangini or whatever, seemed to make a decision to stay the course and hold onto the ball by running it. (less one trick play from Hillis to McCoy that is) Then you hear the national media (which doesn't really mean anything to me) the local media (that means a little more) and then some trusted explayers like Dieken all saying that McCoy looked good. Not a world beater but solid. Then I come on here and I see that the majority of fans seem to think we got something here. And they want to see more to be sure. ( I fall into that catagorie) and yet, there are a few guys here that just say,, (I'm paraphrasing here) he's a bum! That he made a ton of mistakes etc etc. Can 1 or 2 posters on a message board be right and the rest of us be wrong?
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Don't confuse the issue.. THe point was, does he get his job back if healthy,, and I say YES he does..
U the only one who gets confused.I said I don't want him to
play..I'm done with him.
And it's NOT just me that feels that way.. Go listen to the Cribbs interview.., somewhere in there, McCoy comes up and so does Delhomme.. Cribbs makes it clear that he doesn't feel a starter should lose his job to injury either..
I don't care what Cribbs has to say about Jack.There isn't much dropoff from JD to Wallace.
Wallace is more moblie and his mind isn't fragile like JD's is.
Dude cannot handle the pressure,and panics too much.
I don't need that out of a QB.
Cribbs can yak all he wants ,in this instance I don't agree..the Browns haven't missed JD at all.
If I was Mangini (thank goodeness I'm not) and I played it by the book,I won't let JD on the field till I see in practice he can move around ,he can cut,turn and run without any issue.
So thats still probably a few weeks away like I first said,4-6 weeks.
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I"m not even a little bit confused... I know what I said and Feel and I'm sticking to it..
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Man, you really don't pay attention do you 
You are under the impression that I only want Dehomme to start.. what I want and I've tried to make it clear, is that if Delhomme is healthy, he should be the starter.. If not, and if Wallace is healthy then he should be the starter.. and if not,,, McCoy should start.
you are so wrapped up in dislike of Delhomme that you didn't even read what I wrote...
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Hmm, I think Cribbs has earned credibility... I bet you right now, had he agreed with your thinking,, you'd not say you don't care what he thinks....
Secondly, you don't have any way of know what we missed not having Delhomme.. you believe we didn't miss anything, but you couldn't possibly know...
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Man, you really don't pay attention do you
What did U say that should make me pay that much attention to?
You are under the impression that I only want Dehomme to start
There's where U don't understand well..I don't care whether it's U or the other posters in here or the entire AFCN..I don't want Jake out there ,at least not right now anyway.
Secondly, you don't have any way of know what we missed not having Delhomme.. you believe we didn't miss anything, but you couldn't possibly know...
Ha..this is what I know.The Browns miss having a legid #1 receiver right now.
They do not and have not missed Jack at all.
They might miss the pick 6's but I'm sure they want those from the defense.
Wallace ,before he got hurt was getting into a nice rhythm, so I could see the dropoff in performance wasn't that wide.
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I give up,,, you win.. enjoy
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One way to look at this was that JD's "job" was, at least in part, to get Colt ready to play. Jake was at most a 2-year player, nothing beyond that. Wallace is a good backup, he may have been promised a chance to start and that could be a problem if the FO decides to prepare for the future.
If either JD or SW is the starter at the end of next season, something has gone horribly wrong.
Colt may be the future, he may not. Playing him now is the only way to find out. This may actually prolong JD's career as a backup and mentor rather than a starter, though my preference next year would be to keep Wallace and McCoy, and draft another QB. Whether we do it in the first or third-fourth round is the question that MUST be answered, this season.
If both take the full 6 weeks to heal, Colt will have played Pitt, NO, NE, and the Jets. Then we have Carolina and Jax. It would be a shame to have him play four top D's then take him out for two lesser teams.
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I get all that Nelson,,, And if he's the right guy,, if he's doing a good job and the powers in Berea begin to believe he's the future,, then so be it..
My problem is, I don't like the idea of a starter losing his job to an injury.. I've never liked that. with only having played a half without injury, I don't like the idea of writing off Delhomme.
Put him in, if he stinks up the place, pull him.
But I understand that if the starter is injured and we put someone in that is just firing on all 8 cylinders,, then maybe you stick with the new guy.. I get it.
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I think Cribbs has earned credibility..
I think Cribbs lost his credibility with the James HArrison comments he made. JMO.
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my preference next year would be to keep Wallace and McCoy, and draft another QB. Whether we do it in the first or third-fourth round is the question that MUST be answered, this season.
That is my thinking except the part about MUST BE ANSWERED THIS SEASON.
No it doesn't.
They can cut their loss with JD or have him as a expensive backup..
I'd prefer that they keep Wallace/McCoy and still draft a good QB next year.
McCoy doesn't have to show anything more,since Wallaces performance really isn't that bad.
They can start Wallace and still give McCoy some reps down the road.
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If Wallace is healthy and able to practice ALL week, he should start.
If McCoy is the only healthy QB able to practice all week, he should start.
Delhomme won't be healthy, and probably shouldnt' start anyway.
McCoy will benefit from playing, but he'll also benefit from sitting if the guys ahead of him are healthy. He's gotten great experience in those two games, but he still has a lot to learn from the bench.
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To me, Wallace gives us the best opportunity to win out of all 3 QBs.
That being said, I think I'd rather see McCoy over Delhomme if it's between those two.
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I get all that Nelson,,, And if he's the right guy,, if he's doing a good job and the powers in Berea begin to believe he's the future,, then so be it..
My problem is, I don't like the idea of a starter losing his job to an injury.. I've never liked that. with only having played a half without injury, I don't like the idea of writing off Delhomme.
Put him in, if he stinks up the place, pull him.
But I understand that if the starter is injured and we put someone in that is just firing on all 8 cylinders,, then maybe you stick with the new guy.. I get it.
Think... Tom Brady, Steve Young or Bernie Kosar- to name a few.
yeah, I'm ok with that.
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jc It was my impression that JD was a stopgap until we found our real qb, and that SW was his backup. I'll leave it up to the coaches to decide if we found our real qb. The last thing we need is a qb controversy, and the media will go to great lengths to create one. Let's not help them.
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I get all that Nelson,,, And if he's the right guy,, if he's doing a good job and the powers in Berea begin to believe he's the future,, then so be it..
My problem is, I don't like the idea of a starter losing his job to an injury.. I've never liked that. with only having played a half without injury, I don't like the idea of writing off Delhomme.
Put him in, if he stinks up the place, pull him.
But I understand that if the starter is injured and we put someone in that is just firing on all 8 cylinders,, then maybe you stick with the new guy.. I get it.
Think... Tom Brady, Steve Young or Bernie Kosar- to name a few.
yeah, I'm ok with that.
Yup,, like those guys.. But so far, with only 2 games under his belt,, I like what I see of McCoy, but I'm not ready to say he's the next Brady, Young or Kosar... Not yet... I wanna say that, I just can't yet.
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Since you others think that way..tell me how ya feel about this quote?? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ne-quarterback/ Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 27, 2010 7:37 PM ET
Browns coach Eric Mangini hasn't said yet whether rookie Colt McCoy will remain the team's starting quarterback after Cleveland's Week Eight bye, provided Seneca Wallace and/or Jake Delhomme are healthy enough to play.
Wallace sounded confident that he'll be recovered from his high ankle sprain in time to play again and believes he's the man for the job.
"Yeah, I feel that way," Wallace said via Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. "At the end of the day, it comes down to the coaches. Whoever's doing the job the best, moving the team, scoring points, making the right decisions, then that should be the guy."
He also thinks Mangini should be a guy and stick with him.
"This isn't college," Wallace said. "We don't switch quarterbacks in and out. I think when it comes down to rhythm and gelling together, when you have a quarterback in for one week and then the next week it's somebody else, that's not a good situation. You want a guy that's gonna be in there, be able to move the team and continue to do that week to week."
We'd chose Wallace as the guy that gives the Browns the best chance to win. If they don't turn around their season sooner than later, then Mangini may as well play McCoy down the stretch to get the rookie more experience.
U think Seneca believes Jack should start?
I'm sure Mangini will luv those comments..stir the pot some more. 
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Since you were very quick to quote Cribbs..tell me how ya feel about this quote??
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ne-quarterback/
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 27, 2010 7:37 PM ET
Browns coach Eric Mangini hasn't said yet whether rookie Colt McCoy will remain the team's starting quarterback after Cleveland's Week Eight bye, provided Seneca Wallace and/or Jake Delhomme are healthy enough to play.
Wallace sounded confident that he'll be recovered from his high ankle sprain in time to play again and believes he's the man for the job.
"Yeah, I feel that way," Wallace said via Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. "At the end of the day, it comes down to the coaches. Whoever's doing the job the best, moving the team, scoring points, making the right decisions, then that should be the guy."
He also thinks Mangini should be a guy and stick with him.
"This isn't college," Wallace said. "We don't switch quarterbacks in and out. I think when it comes down to rhythm and gelling together, when you have a quarterback in for one week and then the next week it's somebody else, that's not a good situation. You want a guy that's gonna be in there, be able to move the team and continue to do that week to week."
We'd chose Wallace as the guy that gives the Browns the best chance to win. If they don't turn around their season sooner than later, then Mangini may as well play McCoy down the stretch to get the rookie more experience.
U think Seneca believes Jack should start?
Doesn't change my feelings that the Starter should never lose his job to injury
Why are you having so much trouble with that thought process... is it just your dislike for Jake (not Jack) Delhomme..
You see AD,, we agree.. You are saying that if healthy, Seneca should start. and I'm saying if healthy Jake should start..
YOu must also believe that a starter shouldn't lose his job to Injury,, we just disagree which starter.
Delhomme was the original starter this year.. Wallace came in after that.
In my eyes, Delhomme gets first crack if healthy.... Wallace next.. and if neither can play,,, the question becomes moot.. It's McCoy.
You can take you "Gotcha' attitude and use it on someone else...
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