Quote: I would. I'm not going to disparage anybodys conference but Maryland has played Pitt on a neutral court and lost by single digits, they played Villanova on the road and had a 12 point second half lead before blowing it and losing by single digits... then they played Illinois to a 4 point game.... and Maryland is a mediocre ACC team... and the ACC isn't very good this year...
That's fair, but nobody remembers how close a game was. A win is a win, period. I just look at who Ohio State has played and I look at who UConn has played. I look at who Kansas has played also (I'm not impressed).
I do agree that college basketball has a lot of parity and a lot of games. And basketball is also a game where a team can have an off-night. But I really don't think that if OSU was in the Big East that they would be undefeated.
As I said, I'd like to see them play Pitt or Syracuse. Conn had an off-night against NDame, so we lose. We simply aren't a better team than Pitt or Syracuse (we might get lucky and beat the Orange when we play them, but we aren't better) this year, period.
But yeah, I look at OSU's opponents, they've played two ranked teams. One that just lost to Jacksonville????? the other being Minnesota (who I guess is now 19).
There's nothing on OSU's schedule that shows me that we wouldn't beat almost all the teams that they've played...... Since there is no game against a Big East opponent, I have a hard time giving them the credit that a number 1 ranked team should get. Pitt probably should be ranked number 1 (seeing as they beat Syracuse).
Same thing with this San Diego State, let them come play a legit Big East team (like my UConn Huskies) too, we'll see if they're really as good as they're ranked..............
But, as you can tell. I'm a Big East Fan. And it's much more difficult to put up these undefeated records when you have to play Big East competition.
I just don't get why top recruits choose to go to schools like Ohio State and play against the Big Ten when if they really want to showcase themselves and play the best, they should go Big East or ACC (although ACC seems down this year).
With how many big time players have come out of UConn (generally never being the top recruit (like John Calimari gets), I can't believe it's so hard to get top 5 star recruits lined up to play for the Huskies.........
Quote: There isn't 1 big east team OSU couldn't beat. OSU is the #1 team in the country for a reason.
There's not one team the Syracuse or Pitt couldn't beat. You're a Pitt fan, I figured you would agree with me on this. Sure OSU might be at the top of the Big East if they played in the division, but I don't like putting teams like OSU at number 1. I've never seen them win a national championship, their competition this year is not impressive (What's their closest as of recent? How did Greg Oden and Connoly do? I don't remember. I do remember UConn playing an exciting game against Scoonie Penn and Michael Redd, final four or elite 8. In fact I think we won a championship that season with Rip Hamilton over the Dukies)
Of course, you have a funny way of evaluating teams seeing as you had UConn ranked like 10th best in your Big East preseason ranking......... (And you were so sure of it too, didn't matter that Calhoun has never had two bad years in a row in the past like.........17 years or whatever)
Quote: But I really don't think that if OSU was in the Big East that they would be undefeated.
I guess that would depend on who they played... I do think that OSUs out of conference schedule is ridiculous leading up to conference play.... I will give them credit, they did go to the state of North Carolina, traditionally a hot bed of college basketball, and schedule a bunch of out of conference games... they played UNC Wilmington, North Carolina A&T, Western Carolina, and UNC Asheville....
Other than that, they had Florida, who we now know isn't that good but beyond that who was their next toughest opponent? Florida State? South Carolina? It's not like they scheduled some good basketball schools that are having down years... a team like Wake Forest comes to mind (because I know the ACC like you know the Big East).. Wake is traditionally a pretty good team that is getting crushed night after night this year... I almost feel bad for them but if you schedule a team like that and then they suck, oh well, at least you tried... Florida State did beat Duke and will probably make an appearance in the rankings at some point but still, that ain't much.
Quote: There's nothing on OSU's schedule that shows me that we wouldn't beat almost all the teams that they've played...... Since there is no game against a Big East opponent, I have a hard time giving them the credit that a number 1 ranked team should get. Pitt probably should be ranked number 1 (seeing as they beat Syracuse).
Well, fortunately in basketball its far less important than it is in football.... and in the end, the tournament sorts it all out. Didn't the Big East have 19 teams in the tournament last year but just 2 made it to the Sweet 16? While teams like Northern Iowa, Butler, Xavier, St. Marys, and Cornell also made it? I just love the parity of college basketball, a college football Saturday is better than a day of college basketball because of the pagentry and what's at stake but from beginning to end, college basketball is so much better...
Quote: Well, fortunately in basketball its far less important than it is in football.... and in the end, the tournament sorts it all out.
See, but the tournament annoys me because it puts the entire season's emphasis on March Madness. If you can get in, and you get hot at the end of the year, a team will do much better.
Plus, with the close 3 point line of college basketball, some small school can get hot and knock a big school out, when generally most times this would never happen.
March Madness is fun, and when UConn wins, I do call us National Champions, but I'd prefer there be a 16 team bracket or something rather than 64 teams..... We'd have a much better chance of finding a real champion and it would make the regular season count more
Quote: I've never seen them win a national championship, their competition this year is not impressive (What's their closest as of recent? How did Greg Oden and Connoly do? I don't remember. I do remember UConn playing an exciting game against Scoonie Penn and Michael Redd, final four or elite 8. In fact I think we won a championship that season with Rip Hamilton over the Dukies)
What is the relevance of past teams to this years? It's about as irrelevant as me saying OSUs football team would drop uconns football by 35.
Your arrogance is like SEC football teams fans. Well except they back their play up with 5 titles in a row.
FYI I am not a Pitt fan I just think they are the best team in the big east. Last I checked they still are.
Quote: March Madness is fun, and when UConn wins, I do call us National Champions, but I'd prefer there be a 16 team bracket or something rather than 64 teams..... We'd have a much better chance of finding a real champion and it would make the regular season count more
So if Kemba Walker went down for 2 months but would come back in time for the tourney but Uconn was held out of the tourney you wouldn't be upset?
Quote: Of course, you have a funny way of evaluating teams seeing as you had UConn ranked like 10th best in your Big East preseason ranking......... (And you were so sure of it too, didn't matter that Calhoun has never had two bad years in a row in the past like.........17 years or whatever)
Quote: I've never seen them win a national championship, their competition this year is not impressive (What's their closest as of recent? How did Greg Oden and Connoly do? I don't remember. I do remember UConn playing an exciting game against Scoonie Penn and Michael Redd, final four or elite 8. In fact I think we won a championship that season with Rip Hamilton over the Dukies)
What is the relevance of past teams to this years? It's about as irrelevant as me saying OSUs football team would drop uconns football by 35.
About the same as the relevance of the current NBA performance of players that played for one year at Ohio State four years ago.
What is the relevance of past teams to this years? It's about as irrelevant as me saying OSUs football team would drop uconns football by 35.
Your arrogance is like SEC football teams fans. Well except they back their play up with 5 titles in a row.
FYI I am not a Pitt fan I just think they are the best team in the big east. Last I checked they still are.
There's plenty of relevance, it's called a trend........ OSU's football team would beat UConn, that's because we're not a great football program. In fact, Oklahoma was the best team that UConn football has probably ever played. Yet we didn't get beat by 35 or anything.
But the trend is that generally every year OSU has a very good football team. And I'm stating the trend. I don't care how they play in the Big Ten, if they played in the Big East, they'd probably be good (not great), and UConn is much more dominant (as is Syracuse).
Quote: So if Kemba Walker went down for 2 months but would come back in time for the tourney but Uconn was held out of the tourney you wouldn't be upset?
If Kemba went down for 2 months and UConn was out of the tourney, I would be upset. But I would also understand. Overall, we wouldn't have been that good that season. That's my point. I want the Regular Season to count......... 64 teams waters down the importance of the regular season. Sure, being a number 1 seed helps in the 1st and 2nd round, but once you start moving on, it's much less significant.
That's why I kind of feel like the NCAA Basketball Championship is stupid, as I said it's watered down. There's too many teams. Teams that have a good season (overall) should be rewarded by getting into the championship tournament. Let the NIT have a tourney for all the other teams.
And losing a player can also happen in the tournament, UConn lost their PG (AJ Price) to a broken ankle once when playing San Diego (or San Jose) State University in the NCAA tournament. They barely beat us, and we lost in the 2nd round of the Big Dance. It was devastating, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
Quote: Oh believe me I love how upset it is making you.
Oh, it definitely annoyed me months ago. But now, I just love bringing it up to show your foolishness for following that dumb coaches poll. I knew Conn would be good, I also knew that Pitt was the best team in the Big East (I thought they were the best in the country at the time, and that's how I feel now......) I just love how you seem to laugh off my statement at the time. Now you can eat your words.
But yeah, I just like bringing it up (especially since I thought you were a Pitt fan), now that I know you're an OSU fan, I understand that you know little about the Big East and simply shouldn't have been putting up a dumb ranking like that...... You just read what the coaches say, change a couple team's slots, and then acted like you knew something about the Big East
And yeah, I'd love for my Huskies to play your Ohio State team. That's because we schedule REAL competition every season. Sure we play some scrub teams before the season starts, but we also play good teams. Last year I remember playing Non-Conf of Kentucky and Duke (Duke royally kicked our butts). This year we've played Non-Conf. of Kentucky, Michigan State (who was supposed to be good until we beat them), Texas, and we also play Tennessee on Sat. Add that to the fact that we play in the best conference in College Basketball (this season by far the best), and I get to see how UConn really stacks up............. Ohio State doesn't play non-conf. opponents like ours, and they play in an inferior conference. No one knows how good they'd be if they had to play a top team
Quote: OSU is the #1 team in the country for a reason.
Because of the #71 Strength of Schedule in the country?
Zing! My point exactly. Thank you TopDawg, while I dispise your head coach and your squad is number 3 on my worst enemy list, it's quite a list to be on. You are respected.
(Most Hated List 1) Duke 2) UNC 3) Kentucky))
BTW: Why don't Kentucky fans get your school to join Louisville and get into the Big East also. Your football is garbage, so I would think you'd want to play basketball where the best play......... (The ACC would work also, although I don't support them)
I'm sure you would be welcomed with open arms, which would later be accompanied by fists, haha
Quote: Your football is garbage, so I would think you'd want to play basketball where the best play......... (The ACC would work also, although I don't support them)
If Kentucky joined the Big East they might as well give up on football.
No, not bull crap. As I explained before, someone can get hurt during the tournament or right before (ruined the championship run I thought we would have AJ Price's Sophmore year). If Kemba gets hurt right before the tourney, our chances are also ruined.
I want the entire college basketball season to count. The same way it does in Baseball and the same way it does in NFL. It shouldn't be like College Football where losing one game ruins your hopes, but there's no need for 64 teams. There should be 16 teams at most. May be even 8. or 12, and do it like NFL, where four teams get a bye.
It's fun to watch cindarella stories, but really, I want to see what team was the best College Basketball Team that year, not what team got hot in March/April. What a team does in December, January, and Feb should count too. Otherwise, what's the point of trying to win all those games? The advantage isn't that significant.
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Quote: And yeah, I'd love for my Huskies to play your Ohio State team. That's because we schedule REAL competition every season.
Hmm I remeber hearing this same argument for Arkansas when playing Ohio State. We all saw how that turned out.
No..... Ohio State plays good competition in the Big 10 football. IMO the best football conference behind the SEC is Big 10. You had Iowa (I'm pretty sure they had a good season), Wisconsin and Mich. State who all ended up being good teams this year. And while I didn't get to watch that game (I was on a cruise and the feed went out, people were pissed), from my understanding the game ended up being pretty close.
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Quote: Your football is garbage, so I would think you'd want to play basketball where the best play......... (The ACC would work also, although I don't support them)
If Kentucky joined the Big East they might as well give up on football.
I thought they did that awhile ago...... Their last good football team was with that QB Andre Woodson. Kentucky is a big time basketball school, so they should join a big time basketball conference. I'd love to have them play in the Big East, although I really hate the team. I just would like to play them every season, although we've faced off at least the past two years in a row (1-1, last year's game was a good one too).
Quote: If Kemba went down for 2 months and UConn was out of the tourney, I would be upset. But I would also understand. Overall, we wouldn't have been that good that season. That's my point. I want the Regular Season to count.........
Bull.. if you are too young, go look up the 1973-74 ncaa basketball season and see why it got expanded... because the #2 team in the nation didn't make the tournament and had no chance to play for a national championship.. is that what you want? You think that makes it BETTER?
Yes, that team was Maryland and I was a wee lad at the time but I vaguely remember it.. they lost to the #1 team in the nation, NC State, in the championship game of the ACC tournament, 103-100... and it only the conference champs in the tournament back then, I think the field was 24 or something like that.
See you think if they go to 16 they will take the top 16 teams? LOL.. sorry, ain't going to happen. UConn can go 28-4 and lose in the conference tournament to Nova finish the season ranked #4 and stay home because the winner of the Mountain West gets an automatic bid... and you could understand that?
It's all fantasy talk anyway, the NCAA ain't never giving up the bagillions it makes off the tournament.
Quote: Sure, being a number 1 seed helps in the 1st and 2nd round, but once you start moving on, it's much less significant.
Once you get beyond the second round you are into basically a tournament of 16 teams.. how does that differ from where you want to START the tournament? Except for the fact that some good teams might have already choked their way out of it...
Quote: See you think if they go to 16 they will take the top 16 teams? LOL.. sorry, ain't going to happen. UConn can go 28-4 and lose in the conference tournament to Nova finish the season ranked #4 and stay home because the winner of the Mountain West gets an automatic bid... and you could understand that?
It's all fantasy talk anyway, the NCAA ain't never giving up the bagillions it makes off the tournament.
I guess we're just going to disagree. When proposing 16 or 12 teams, I never thought about automatic bids. I figured a NCAA selection committee could choose the teams it deems the best.
A compromise could be made and we could make it 6 automatic bids and 10 invites, or 6 automatic bids and 6 invites. Automatic would have to be (1 Big East, 1 ACC, 1 Big Ten, 1 Big 12, 1 SEC, 1 Pac-10). Sorry if you play in the MAC, Atlantic 10, WAC, Conf. USA, Ivy, MWC (whatever that one UNM plays in), Sun Belt, and so on; you'd need an invite. But I for one, say, no automatic invite
I'm sorry that in 1973-74 Maryland was held out of a tournament, I was born in 85, so that's way before my time and I have absolutely no way to reference that. Obviously it stirs tough feelings, but it seems to me that 64 teams is just too many.
I don't like an entire regular season being centered on preparing for the NCAA tournament. Having a great regular season should earn you the privilege of making the championship tournament. Being 1 of 64 really isn't saying that much.
College Basketball's regular season is too long for it to count for so little
So juded on what you have said pete. You realize a team like Butler wouldn't have made the tourney last year right? I guarantee they would have whooped every team in the country except duke.
Actually Petey it's 68 teams now... which I'm fine with... there are so many more division 1 basketball conferences than football that I'm fine with a ton of basketball teams getting in... and you know what... even at 68 the 69th and 70th team are going to complain. 16 is just too small for basketball... I think there are like 350 teams right now... in football there are only 120... so a 16 game football playoff would be awesome.... but for basketball IMO it has to be at BARE minimum 32... and I'm fine with one extra round to let it be 64 (or 68 now).
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Yeah, but then they got the rebound and foul on the miss .... so it wasn't really a push.
I can't believe that they couldn't get the ball to Sullinger all alone on the baseline.
The Illini defense complegtely lost him, but unfortunately so did the OSU inbounder.
Yes! OSU Ball!
Sullinger with another big play.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
OSU wins - Pete says OSU still isn't good or the Big 10 stinks.
OSU loses - Well this proves OSU isn't a good team.
Nope, I'm not saying that OSU is a bad team. I'm saying, I believe Pitt is a better team. I'd like to see my Conn team play OSU. I bet it would be quite a game.
I just don't see how we rank OSU number 1 when they haven't played many good teams. We'll see how they look after they play MSU, Purdue (who lost to WV, who isn't that good this year), Wisconsin. If they're undefeated at the end of the season, fine. But at this point, I'd rank a few teams above them. (Namely Pitt)
Sure would be nice to see OSU try to play some better competition. I think my Huskies can keep up wtih your squad, we'll see how we do against this Tennessee team though; they seem awfully talented so far and UConn seems to be a little off
OSU is ranked #1 because there are only three unbeatens... two from power conferences... so to me it's a coin flip between OSU and Kansas until one of them loses... are they the best in the country? Who knows... all that really matters is getting one of the # 1 seeds...
I do agree with you that the second half of their schedule is much harder. I don't expect them to finish undefeated... they should have lost today but showed some gritt..
in terms of Pitt... good team but they lost to Tenn at home who has since lost a ton of games... of course your Conn team is losing right now to the same Tenn team, so who knows... I think if OSU played either Pitt or Duke I wouldn't be surprised if they won or lost... Overall there are some really good teams in the country... I figured Duke would win it all this year and I'll probably stick to it right now...
That's why I love the tourney so much... the best team doesn't always win... sometimes it's just whose really hot at that time.
Quote: in terms of Pitt... good team but they lost to Tenn at home who has since lost a ton of games... of course your Conn team is losing right now to the same Tenn team, so who knows... I think if OSU played either Pitt or Duke I wouldn't be surprised if they won or lost... Overall there are some really good teams in the country... I figured Duke would win it all this year and I'll probably stick to it right now...
I will say, watching this Tenn team, I'm pretty impressed with them. I get the feeling they're inconsistent, but they definitely have plenty of talent. I'm surprised they could beat Pitt, but I think they also beat Nova and could possibly beat Conn.
They're not the type of team that'll win the tourney, but they definitely are the type of team that will ruin a number 1 seed's hopes
Edit: Looking at Tenn's record, they seem to have some silly losses, but they also beat Memphis. TopDawg, you better watch yourself when Kentucky plays these guys. Their players have skills
Quote: That's why I love the tourney so much... the best team doesn't always win... sometimes it's just whose really hot at that time.
This apparently is where I differ with so many people about the tournament, the fact that a team can get hot and tear it up even though they didn't have a great reg season is what annoys me the most about the tournament. What about the games in December and January?
Guess we just have differing opinions on the tourney... which is fine...
I agree with you on Tenn... if they could get the crap together they could be a very dangerous team... lot of talent... but way too inconsistent... good game so far today... I still expect UConn to win... but won't be surprised if UT pulls it out.
I just love the parity of college basketball, a college football Saturday is better than a day of college basketball because of the pagentry and what's at stake but from beginning to end, college basketball is so much better...
