This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post. It's not just snipes... The pentagon itself came out and said it's crap. But rather than getting called on it, supporters of the right just jump to defend blindly. The number is ABSURD. Where are the members of the rational right, the middle right that's willing to call cowturd on your own people? It just doesn't exist anymore. The right can basically say whatever they want whenever the want with impunity because the know thier own constituency will have thief back regardless of the absurdity of a claim and the otherside is utterly discredited in every regard. When is this going to stop?
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
Quote: Yeah, we are outsourcing all of our jobs to them.
The money is moving positively into their pockets and out of American citizens pockets. Looks like the American President is in their pocket too. Or, at least, in their terrorist hotel, and spending hundreds of millions to be there.
Its not a terrorist hotel,it is a hotel that was attacked by terrorists. By your logic the WTCs were terrorist towers. India is not a haven for teerorists, they are a nation(like us) that is being attacked by terrorists. Their geographical location makes it even tougher for them than it is for the U.S.
King
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: Maybe you should understand that India is one of the few countries where our balance of trade is moving in a positive direction.
LOL.. Obama made some comments yesterday about the US getting jobs from India instead of them being a poacher of jobs.. very similar to the comments Bush made a while back that mac likes to post... I'm sure in macs world though the comments are VERY DIFFERENT..
Quote: $200m-a-day' cost of Barack Obama's trip to India will be picked up by U.S. taxpayers
Hey Pdie...guess what...YOU POSTED A LIE! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right-wing media launch bogus attacks on Obama's India trip November 05, 2010
Right-wing media have been hyping reports from an Indian news agency that President Obama's upcoming trip to India will cost $200 million a day and will require 34 warships to be stationed off the Indian coast. In fact, the White House, the Secret Service and the Pentagon have called the claims false, and numerous U.S. media sources question the numbers.
Conservative media hype numbers from anonymous source in Indian report Press Trust of India reports Obama's trip will cost "$200 million per day" and use "34 warships" for protection. In a November 2 article headlined, "US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama's Mumbai visit," the Press Trust of India reported that "The US would be spending a whopping $200 million (Rs. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city," citing an anonymous "top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements" for the visit. On November 4, The Press Trust of India published a story headlined, "34 warships sent from US for Obama visit" and reported that Obama will be "protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast" during his two-day stay there. The article does not cite any specific individuals as sources for this claim.
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Drudge hypes the claims. On November 2, the Drudge Report linked to the Press Trust of India story citing the $200 million figure and wrote, "REPORT: US to spend $200 million per day on Obama's Mumbai visit..."
On November 4, Drudge featured a link to the Press Trust story about "34 warships," citing the claim in large font.
Rush: Obama is spending $200 million a day, "thinks this nation owes him." On the November 2 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh, responding to a caller, cited the figure and claimed of the President, "You have a guy and a family who thinks this nation owes him." From the show:
But the idea that you're going to take 3000 people and you're booking over 500 rooms in a hotel, and you're taking 40 airplanes? What that tells me is, that you have a guy and a family who thinks this nation owes him. And while they're in a position to, they are going to live off of this country as much as they can -- they are gonna get theirs. That's what this tells me. This is -- no President has ever, anywhere close to -- 40 airplanes, 3000 people, 500 rooms in one hotel. And that's just one hotel. For a 10 day trip -- $200 million a day! That's never been done before! This is somebody that says, "It's my turn."
Powers on Malkin: "Obama to See India on $200 Million a Day." Writing on Michelle Malkin's blog on November 2, conservative blogger Doug Powers linked to the Press Trust story and cited the $200 million figure, writing, "Seemingly every election day estimate predicting increasingly bad news for Democrats is met by an exponential rise in the cost to taxpayers for President Obama's 'I'm outta here' world tour. Coincidence?"
Daily Caller links to the Press Trust story. On Nov. 2, the Daily Caller featured an excerpt from the Press Trust story citing the $200 million figure and linked to the story.
WorldNetDaily cites $200 million figure. On November 3, WorldNetDaily published a story citing the $200 million figure, writing, "Obama's trip to Mumbai reportedly will cost American taxpayers 'a whopping $200 million per day' according the Press Trust of India."
Glenn Beck promotes the figure on radio, TV, claiming the 10-day Asia tour will cost "$2 billion." On his November 3 radio show and television program, Beck pushed the $200 million number, saying it would cost $2 billion for the President's "10-day trip" in India and across Asia. On his radio show, he said, "This New Delhi trip really, really, bothers me. Not in the way that it's just costing $2 billion for 10 days so he can go see the Festival of Lights?" referring to Diwali, one of the most important festivals in Hinduism. On the November 3 edition of his program, Beck repeated the claim and said the trip was "being reported as possibly the largest-scale presidential trip of all time" and called it a "lavish trip," suggesting it might cost up to "$2 billion" to make sure the President was "safe."
FBN's Bolling hypes the "$200 million" price tag. Host Eric Bolling also quoted the "$200 million per day" figure on the November 3 edition of his Fox Business show, Follow the Money, saying Obama's trip will cost "$200 million dollars...per day" and that "President Obama still doesn't hesitate to take billions from taxpayers." A chyron reading "Pres. Obama's India trip will cost taxpayers $200M per day" was shown during the segment.
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Look at how many of you "OBAMA HATERS" ran with this LIE...just a guess on my part, but most RWers could care less if they have to lie in an attempt to score political points. .....................................
White House, Secret Service, Pentagon call claims absurd WH: "These numbers have no basis in reality" and are "wildly inflated." On November 3, White House spokesman Matt Lehrich told Media Matters: "The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality. Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated."
Secret Service: Estimates are "significantly exaggerated." On November 4, Secret Service spokesman Edwin Donovan told Media Matters that figures in recent reports of President Obama's trip to India were "significantly exaggerated."
Pentagon: 34 warships claim is "absolutely absurd" and "comical." On November 4, ABC News reported that Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said at that day's Pentagon briefing:
I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy -- some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier -- in support of the president's trip to Asia. That's just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.
Mainstream media, conservative blogger debunk the claims Factcheck.org: Claim is "highly doubtful" and would make trip more expensive than war in Afghanistan. On November 3, FactCheck.org published an item calling the $200 million per day claim "highly doubtful," saying that "there's no evidence to support such a huge figure." The report noted that the claim originated from "one Indian news agency quoting an anonymous source in Mumbai" and that because the official isn't in the U.S. government, "any information about costs would necessarily have come second-hand at best, an added reason for caution." Factcheck.org also noted that the figure would make the trip more expensive than the current U.S. war effort in Afghanistan, which costs roughly $190 million per day, according to the Congressional Research Service.
CNN's Cooper: Obama Asia trip cost "myth" being pushed by "powerful pundits." Host Anderson Cooper referred to the claims as "a made up story about the President of the United States" during a segment about the claim on the November 4 edition of his CNN show, Anderson Cooper 360. After replaying a string of conservative media figures promoting the claim, Cooper played clips of White House Secretary Robert Gibbs dismissing the numbers and Pentagon Press Secretary Morrell giving his statement.
Former Bush Chief of Staff: $200 million cost "doesn't...pass the smell test" and the White House "is appropriate" in not disclosing the costs. Also on the November 4 Anderson Cooper 360, Cooper asked Bush's former chief of staff Andy Card, "You have been a former chief of staff. You have been on these trips. Even the remote possibility of it costing $200 million a day, I mean, does that even pass the smell test to you?" Card replied:
It doesn't to me, but I think the White House is appropriate in saying they don't talk about what it costs for the president to travel.
Look it, we want our president to be safe wherever he goes. I can't imagine it would cost $200 million a day. If it costs anywhere close to that number, the president should be asking tough questions of the Defense Department and the Secret Service and the State Department.
He then added that he had "not heard from any of the so-called pundits or personalities in the media" who should have been trying to, in Cooper's words, "confirm any of these or check any of these numbers."
GMA: Numbers are from a "questionably-sourced" report, called "patently false" by experts. ABC's White House correspondent Jake Tapper reviewed the $200 million and 34 warships claims during a segment on the November 5 edition of ABC's Good Morning America. Tapper said experts call the claims "patently false" and also noted that the number exceeds the cost of the war in Afghanistan.
WSJ: Calls the figures "outlandish hyperventilation," says the report is "demonstrably incorrect." On November 4, the Wall Street Journal published an article about the figures, saying Obama was "getting pilloried by the right" on the cost of the trip "without a pause for fact-checking." From the article:
Snopes.com, a website devoted to myth busting, noted that even if the Indian press has correctly reported the size of the president's entourage -- 3,000 -- the cost would work out to $66,000 per person per day, "a figure that stretches credulity to the breaking point." Factcheck.org noted that the entire war in Afghanistan costs $190 million a day.
But the report is demonstrably incorrect. It says the White House had blocked off the entire Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai -- it hasn't -- and that the press traveling with Mr. Obama will be staying there. We won't. Besides, the press pays its own way at considerable cost to the media outlets, not the U.S. taxpayer.
Now a new rumor has emerged courtesy of India's NDTV. Mr. Obama, the outlet says, "will be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast." The White House called that ridiculous. But on the conservative Drudge Report website, it's on the home page -- in huge type.
Conservative blogger Allahpundit: "No, Obama's not taking 34 Navy ships to India with him." Blogger Allahpundit, writing on the conservative blog Hot Air, posted an entry titled, "No, Obama's not taking 34 Navy ships to India with him" on November 4. Allahpundit links to the ABC story on the Pentagon's dismissal of the 34 warships claim, then links to the Wall Street Journal piece and cites an excerpt.
Hey mac ..... which county is it that had candidates listed as "Tea Party" as you claimed?
I still want to look up that county's ballot.
Or ....... did you post a LIE????????????
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: The funny thing about this story is that nobody can prove the numbers true, but at the same time nobody can clearly show them as being false.
Even the oft touted Snopes simply says "probably not true". They don't have any actual corroborating info to the falseness, just supposition.
In the vid AC makes a statement about a former presidents trip to india (I think it was clinton).. 50 mill in total.. now think about that and adjust for inflation and increased security because of the increased threat,,, does that 50 mill turn into 200 million.., Sounds about right,, I'd even buy into 250 mill maybe even as much as 300 mill.
But 200 mill a day,, come on purp..
But clearly, the agenda is set for the next two years.. alls fair in politics I guess. But for Bachman to simply ignore the question buy defecting her comments on the President tells me that she really has no clue where she's going to cut spending...
I mean, how hard is it to say, "we are going to cut entitlments" "We are going to stop funding unemployment increases" and "we are going to cut Welfare payments" and we are going to,,,, ahhhh, you know what I mean.
If she thinks those things are right, then why not say it?
Can't really cut military spending at the moment unless you end the two wars we are in can we?
I'd privatize the post office.. sell it to FedX or UPS or something. (not sure that's even legal)
talk about cutting government payroll.... Yikes But that doesn't necessarly mean increased unemployment because the new owner would absorb many of those USPS employees.
Long term benefits is that eventually, we'd have no more long term retirement costs.. they'd peak, then begin to decline.
The negative is, you'll never be able to mail a letter for 43 cents again.
Another thing I'd do is abolish Federal Income Tax.., completely eliminate it and institute a National sales Tax to replace it.
Right there you can cut 50% of the IRS employees Day One., then phase the rest of them out over 10 years as you collect all that's owed the treasury department from those that owe for past years.
I think this would create some unemployment.. in fact lots of it.. It would also eliminate the need to go to a CPA to do your taxes.. cause all you'd have left to pay is state and local.... No more Fed.
then one last thing,, I'd make it illegal to lobby politicians.. and I'd hold our elected officials to a MUCH stiffer and tougher code of ethics..
OK, I'm done pipedreaming now..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: then one last thing,, I'd make it illegal to lobby politicians
First Amendment - Bill Of Rights “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
If you have ever contacted, called, faxed, or emailed your congressional representative regarding any issue before Congress, you have engaged in "lobbying". Your First Amendment rights guarantee that ability. I understand that you are referring to special interest groups, PAC's, etc, but the difference between them and the individual citizen is in size, not intent.
Quote: Hey Pdie...guess what...YOU POSTED A LIE! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep Mac, I did. Trusted a source that turned out to be bogus.
Still waiting for you to tell me where you saw Tea Party Candidate on a ballot?
You didn't is the answer! I think you lie about a lot of things. I wonder if you even have kids? I wonder if you are barely out of college? Is your name Charlie?
Trusting a website that turns out to be bogus is a "my bad", or possibly "oops", not what I would call a lie, but saying you saw something that didn't exist is well...
Quote: then one last thing,, I'd make it illegal to lobby politicians
First Amendment - Bill Of Rights “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
If you have ever contacted, called, faxed, or emailed your congressional representative regarding any issue before Congress, you have engaged in "lobbying". Your First Amendment rights guarantee that ability. I understand that you are referring to special interest groups, PAC's, etc, but the difference between them and the individual citizen is in size, not intent.
excellent points and I agree with you,, you can't stop lobbying.. I honestly hadn't thought of it in that light..Thanks
What I was trying to say is, NO MORE BUYING A POLITICIAN.
Does that make it clearer for you?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: Trusting a website that turns out to be bogus is a "my bad", or possibly "oops", not what I would call a lie, but saying you saw something that didn't exist is well...
That is true but I had to break it down for Mac to understand.
To be honest I never thought how big the numbers were. I stated that the armada article was bogus since I understand what the Navy does.
The reason I posted it ( and said so in my first post) is because I have concerns about where the president was going. I probably overreacted to the visit but the last thing I want to see is an attack on our president while overseas, especially if it might be avoidable. I would love to know what the Secret Service thinks of this part of the trip.
Quote: Trusting a website that turns out to be bogus is a "my bad", or possibly "oops", not what I would call a lie, but saying you saw something that didn't exist is well...
That is true but I had to break it down for Mac to understand.
To be honest I never thought how big the numbers were. I stated that the armada article was bogus since I understand what the Navy does.
The reason I posted it ( and said so in my first post) is because I have concerns about where the president was going. I probably overreacted to the visit but the last thing I want to see is an attack on our president while overseas, especially if it might be avoidable. I would love to know what the Secret Service thinks of this part of the trip.
I'm glad, in fact, encouraged to see you write that P.. so often I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to stop Obama using whatever means available including a break down of protection. I'm glad you wish for him to be safe on this trip.
Love him or hate him, an attack on our president is an attack on the USA.. I can't abide anyone thinking that would be a good thing..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: I'm glad, in fact, encouraged to see you write that P.. so often I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to stop Obama using whatever means available including a break down of protection.
So you are saying conservatives want Obama assassinated if that's what it takes to get rid of him? I realize you didn't mean this that way but that is what you said. I don't like his policies. I will be extremely happy if his policies I disagree with get shot down. I'm willing to bet just about every single person on here would say the same thing.
Now you are the first person to say "The Republicans or conservatives do it" whenever something is brought up about Dems or liberals. Why don't you call out those on the left for doing the same thing. The hatred for those on the right is well documented. Those on the left actually mocked Tony Snow when he died. They carried so many signs wanting the death of Bush I doubt you could have counted them all. Where is you balance??
Quote: so often I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to stop Obama using whatever means available including a break down of protection. I'm glad you wish for him to be safe on this trip.
What an out and out lie. You are acting worse than the talk show hosts you pretend to hate. What a nasty and untrue statement. I'm not surprised by your stooping so low because you backhandedly do it all the time, but you do need to be called on such blatant crap.
Quote: What I was trying to say is, NO MORE BUYING A POLITICIAN.
Does that make it clearer for you?
It never wasn't clear to me ... communicating with your representative is called "lobbying", ie: free speech. "Buying a politician" is bribery, ie: illegal, on the part of the person offering it and on the part of the person accepting it.
So, in a way, I just granted one of the wishes in your pipe dream ... you're welcome.
Quote: so often I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to stop Obama using whatever means available including a break down of protection. I'm glad you wish for him to be safe on this trip.
What an out and out lie. You are acting worse than the talk show hosts you pretend to hate. What a nasty and untrue statement.
EHHHHH I dont know Jules, I cant speak for all of the conservatives but I have heard a few make comments about seeing Obama in the cross hairs of a rifle scope.Not on TV or anything, I am just speaking of people I know that are die hard Republicans whi have said things like this.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Seriously? You are going to use a few nuts to allow him to say what he did? He didn't say fringe people, extremists, etc., he picked out Pdawg's post like it was an anomaly with conservative people, like it was something to be commended that he cared about the well being of the president. You can't seriously be defending that because of some crazy people you know or have read something from.
I heard some people around the Youngstown area say that George Bush should be dragged into the hood and killed. Actually, I heard even worse than that. There was a lot that was even more vile than that.
Maybe I'll just start blaming all liberals for that kinda stuff too.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I've heard that the 200 Million number was in rupees and not dollars. Supposedly the original number had come from an Indian governmental official. It makes sense that they would respond to something like that in their own currency. 200 million rupees works out to around 4.5 million dollars a day.
It doesn't make sense for this part of his trip to cost that much. The Afghanistan war is costing around 190 million dollars a day.
This is another example where the media needs to spend 5 seconds, think about what they are reporting, and then use a little logic. People are upset about all of this money being spent on a short trip, and most of it is based off of no one noticing that the Indian official was talking about rupees and not dollars.
No one on the right will even HINT that perhaps maybe, just maybe, this thing was wrong. The ninja skill of rationalization has truly been refined to a gilt edge in the last decade.
Once again none of these "journalists" will be taken to task for "reporting" a completely bunk story. By the centrist and left media yes, but they have absolutely zero credibility even 1 degree right of center in the right wing media echo chamber. Anyone or anything that doesn't support the narrative cannot be trusted, counter points are not allowed in the room. The right wing media machine is UTTERLY INCAPABLE of self-censure. I have no love for MSNBC but they suspend their star for breaking an internal rule that violates their own sense of journalistic integrity. Can you even imagine Fox doing that?
The American right will once again practice the art of selective amnesia and simply move on and/or repetedly change the subject rather than talk about it anymore, let alone admit it, let alone look into it and further than a cursory, topical glance.
Once again the American right will be denied responsible, professional, and BALANCED right leaning journalism because they don't demand it. They don't demand that their sources play by any rules other than "win at any cost". I think we all know there are economic principles as well as social issues that smart people on the right could present and debate effectively in the right venue. Why doesn't that venue exist? Because they aren't demanding it.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
Quote: No one on the right will even HINT that perhaps maybe, just maybe, this thing was wrong.
I can only assume you are saying this because you NEVER listen to anybody on the right.. Limbaugh, Shnitt, O'Reilly.. have ALL questioned the validity of this number on their radio shows..
I love it when people who don't listen to "the right" are so quick to say what "the right" does and does not say based on their own assumptions..
I posted this. I said it was false. I am a conservative. DC said he heard rumors and wasn't sure it was accurate. He is conservative.
O'Reilly never reported it and only discussed it to say it was BS. He is conservative.
I saw pundits on (both the right and left) on Fox News Channel say it is not accurate.
I am not sure how many people in the news media even reported this as a fact. I'll leave it up to Mac to hunt down articles since that is the only thing he can do in his sad life.
So you are saying conservatives want Obama assassinated if that's what it takes to get rid of him?
No NO,, of course I don't believe that.., I'm saying that sometimes it feels that way.. the hatrid I see for him is incredible so yeah, sometimes it feels that way..
But don't read into it.. I understand that there is probably a faction of folks that wish him harm.. but I'd think they are mostly fringe type people
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: What I was trying to say is, NO MORE BUYING A POLITICIAN.
Does that make it clearer for you?
It never wasn't clear to me ... communicating with your representative is called "lobbying", ie: free speech. "Buying a politician" is bribery, ie: illegal, on the part of the person offering it and on the part of the person accepting it.
So, in a way, I just granted one of the wishes in your pipe dream ... you're welcome.
Big deal, it's illegal,, hasn't stopped if from happening has it? No..,
So make the punishment fit the crime..
So, no, you haven't granted me anything of my wishes.... But please, don't let that stop you from trying
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: so often I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to stop Obama using whatever means available including a break down of protection. I'm glad you wish for him to be safe on this trip.
What an out and out lie. You are acting worse than the talk show hosts you pretend to hate. What a nasty and untrue statement. I'm not surprised by your stooping so low because you backhandedly do it all the time, but you do need to be called on such blatant crap.
So, what your saying here is that it's a "lie' to feel something? Do I have that right?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
You are parsing words Daman.. "I feel... " "I think..." "I believe...." all very similar in meaning in the way you used it.. so you chose the one that can't be challenged.. good choice.
I feel like it is Obama's intention to intentionally break the back of the US economy because it will allow the government to continue to seize more control of our lives, our finances, our choices and divide that control up between the government and the select few corporations/industries that are on the preferred list.. unfortunately I don't just feel like that.. I also believe it.
Quote: You are parsing words Daman.. "I feel... " "I think..." "I believe...." all very similar in meaning in the way you used it.. so you chose the one that can't be challenged.. good choice.
I feel like it is Obama's intention to intentionally break the back of the US economy because it will allow the government to continue to seize more control of our lives, our finances, our choices and divide that control up between the government and the select few corporations/industries that are on the preferred list.. unfortunately I don't just feel like that.. I also believe it.
Believe what you must,, But I'm telling you now,, I didn't intend to make it sound like Conservatives want him dead,, I said "sometimes it feels that way"
Call it anything you want., I won't apologize for feeling as I do..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I don't care if you apologize.. and I don't want you to be forced to step down from your position.. ... you are entitled to feel however you want.. but going back to Carter I have always felt that there was some contingent of people who disliked the person enough to take a shot at him.. so this feeling is really nothing new.
Quote: I don't care if you apologize.. and I don't want you to be forced to step down from your position.. ... you are entitled to feel however you want.. but going back to Carter I have always felt that there was some contingent of people who disliked the person enough to take a shot at him.. so this feeling is really nothing new.
I can't disagree with that last comment.., there are always fringe players that want whoever the president of the US is, dead.. No argument from me.
I just haven't sensed it this much except for maybe when Clinton was making all those really dumb comments about Monica Lewinsky and that whole mess.
Also regarding LBJ during Vietnam... that was pretty ugly or maybe even Nixon during the Watergate fiasco.
So yeah, there is always some group out there that wants that..
I was just sensing it moreso now than anytime in the recent past..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: I just haven't sensed it this much except for maybe when Clinton was making all those really dumb comments about Monica Lewinsky and that whole mess.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 8 years? There was plenty of this kind of hatred towards Bush.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Quote: I just haven't sensed it this much except for maybe when Clinton was making all those really dumb comments about Monica Lewinsky and that whole mess.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 8 years? There was plenty of this kind of hatred towards Bush.
No, I haven't been living under a rock at all.. So now you are joining Jules in telling me what I can and can't feel and what level the feelings come in?
Is that what your doing?
No, I didn't get a sense that Bush was in any more real danger than any other president... certainly not from inside our country anyway......
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: No one on the right will even HINT that perhaps maybe, just maybe, this thing was wrong.
I can only assume you are saying this because you NEVER listen to anybody on the right.. Limbaugh, Shnitt, O'Reilly.. have ALL questioned the validity of this number on their radio shows..
I love it when people who don't listen to "the right" are so quick to say what "the right" does and does not say based on their own assumptions..
I'm sort of a political junkie. Sometimes I'm more "recovered" than other times but it's when I lapse that I actually start listening to everybody a lot. It's when some big insane whopper surfaces that usually triggers my benders. Even in my quieter times I usually watch O'Reilly probably twice a week. I check in on Bennet, Beck and Limbaugh and some others a few times a week. I listen to NPR and some other Libs as well. I'm in my car 2 to 6 hours a day going from job site to job site. So far I have heard nothing from any of them. I've now read that O'Reilly has officially given a quick rejection of the story he earlier gave a good amount of air time to in the other direction. I give him credit for that. Beck as far as I know has only said something along the lines of "I don't know but it might or might not be true". I've personally heard nothing that suggests Limbaugh has rejected it. He gave A LOT of white hot vitriolic air time to it so when he does I'll be sure to expect a lot of time given to how such a damaging mistake could be made. I admit I don't know that Schnitt guy. I think if we keep it up and keep dragging them by the nose back to this they'll all have to adress it even if it's just the Beck style "I dunno, maybe not maybe so" soft-shoe routine. Lord knows they aren't going to come back and adress it because their listenership is demanding they be responsible and accountable.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
Looks like the American President is in their pocket too. Or, at least, in their terrorist hotel, and spending hundreds of millions to be there. 
