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And if we can get to 8 or 9 wins and finish with a lot of momentum, Cleveland becomes a much more compelling place for free agents...
Yup,, that's probably true also..
We may be able to attract a decent receiver in FAgency so that we could draft another one in the 1st or 2nd next year.. who are the prospects that look good so far?
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14297...for-cowboys-gig5. There's a lot to like about Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy, but here's what you admire most: In successive games against New Orleans, New England and the New York Jets he had no interceptions. "Quote me on this," Jets linebacker David Harris said. "They have a quarterback. I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now. [The Browns] have had a quarterback problem for a long time, but right now they have a legit guy in their quarterback. He is playing with a lot of confidence and playing lights-out football. Watch out. Whoever is playing him next [and that would be Jacksonville], get ready and buckle up."
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5. There's a lot to like about Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy, but here's what you admire most: In successive games against New Orleans, New England and the New York Jets he had no interceptions. "Quote me on this," Jets linebacker David Harris said. "They have a quarterback. I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now. [The Browns] have had a quarterback problem for a long time, but right now they have a legit guy in their quarterback. He is playing with a lot of confidence and playing lights-out football. Watch out. Whoever is playing him next [and that would be Jacksonville], get ready and buckle up."
WOW,,, there isn't any need for him to say those things.. no need at all..
Pretty good comments coming from another teams guy... 
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I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now.
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I was down on McCoy after the draft and Preseason. I've done a complete 180* on him. All this offense needs is some WR and more depth at O-Line. RB-Check, QB-Check, Starting O-Line-Check, TE-Check, FB-Check(need to resign him though). Just need some WR's.
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5. There's a lot to like about Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy, but here's what you admire most: In successive games against New Orleans, New England and the New York Jets he had no interceptions. "Quote me on this," Jets linebacker David Harris said. "They have a quarterback. I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now. [The Browns] have had a quarterback problem for a long time, but right now they have a legit guy in their quarterback. He is playing with a lot of confidence and playing lights-out football. Watch out. Whoever is playing him next [and that would be Jacksonville], get ready and buckle up."
WOW,,, there isn't any need for him to say those things.. no need at all..
Pretty good comments coming from another teams guy...
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Too Much Information. Really.  lol
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5. There's a lot to like about Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy, but here's what you admire most: In successive games against New Orleans, New England and the New York Jets he had no interceptions. "Quote me on this," Jets linebacker David Harris said. "They have a quarterback. I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now. [The Browns] have had a quarterback problem for a long time, but right now they have a legit guy in their quarterback. He is playing with a lot of confidence and playing lights-out football. Watch out. Whoever is playing him next [and that would be Jacksonville], get ready and buckle up."
Like Top said, the Browns should sign him. He's a stud. Anyone else love it when Hillis threw Bart Scott to the ground? The guy's a punk.
The signs are there with Colt. I'm not ready to anoint him, but he's played very well. He was clutch on the drive at the end of regulation, and he hasn't made many mistakes. He's made some plays too. We still need to see what he can do when he has to carry the team the whole game, but the signs are good. I'm not looking to draft a QB this year.
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5. There's a lot to like about Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy, but here's what you admire most: In successive games against New Orleans, New England and the New York Jets he had no interceptions. "Quote me on this," Jets linebacker David Harris said. "They have a quarterback. I'm glad I'm not in the AFC North right now. [The Browns] have had a quarterback problem for a long time, but right now they have a legit guy in their quarterback. He is playing with a lot of confidence and playing lights-out football. Watch out. Whoever is playing him next [and that would be Jacksonville], get ready and buckle up."
WOW,,, there isn't any need for him to say those things.. no need at all..
Pretty good comments coming from another teams guy...
Now I know how Chris Matthews felt.. I just got that same tingle up my leg...
ugh,,, that's freaky man.,, way to freaky
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We still need to see what he can do when he has to carry the team the whole game,
Right there's where u LOSE it pup...
If that's what you're looking for in ANY QB u ain't gotta clue when it comes to QB's in the NFL...
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Quite frankly, I'm tired of your attitude towards me. If you think a franchise QB is anything other than someone who can carry a team and win games by himself, then you are delusional.
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Quite frankly, I'm tired of your attitude towards me. If you think a franchise QB is anything other than someone who can carry a team and win games by himself, then you are delusional.
I don't know of a QB that fits that description.. do you?
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Ok, that was hyperbole. What I mean is that he can take a team on his shoulders for the whole game and make plays to win the game. Yeah, there are plenty of those guys.
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Ok, that was hyperbole. What I mean is that he can take a team on his shoulders for the whole game and make plays to win the game. Yeah, there are plenty of those guys.
No, there aren't "plenty". Very few.
See, a qb needs to be good, no doubt. But he can't pass without a line protecting him. We have that.
He can't pass without a running game that is at least respected. We have that.
He can't pass without rec's. that can get open and catch the ball. We're working on that.
Also, name me a rookie that was lights out good after 3 or 4 starts.
Colt is a work in progress - but the progression has been darn nice so far. A heck of a lot better than the "we need to give rec's 3 years to come into their own" attitude some have about our rec's.
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If you think a franchise QB is anything other than someone who can carry a team and win games by himself, then you are delusional.
No QB blocks, catches or plays defense.. so the whole notion that a guy can win a football game by himself is greatly oversimplifying things...
But just out of curiosity, what does a QB have to do to "carry a team and win games all by himself"? Throw it 40 times? 45 times? 50 times? For 300 yards? 350 yards? 400 yards? Throw 2 TDs? 3 TDs? 4 TDs?
And how often does he have to do this? How good does the opponent have to be that he does it against?
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Also, name me a rookie that was lights out good after 3 or 4 starts.
Rothlisberger.
As much as I, and everyone else here, hates him, that's who Colt is reminding me of.
*Not his play type, but he reminds me of Rothlisberger because that's the last QB I can think of to have the moxy and poise that Colt has this early in their career.
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there aren't "plenty". Very few.
Matt Hasslebeck could do it a few years ago. Eli Manning, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Donvan McNabb, and Matt Ryan are some of the names. That's nearly 1/3rd of the QB's in the NFL.
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See, a qb needs to be good, no doubt. But he can't pass without a line protecting him. We have that.
For the most part, I agree, but it's not entirely true. Brady has had some terrible lines, and Peyton has a terrible line right now. Vick's line in Philly is pretty darn bad, and the Steelers' line is awful. But, for the most part, I agree.
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He can't pass without a running game that is at least respected. We have that.
Manning has no run game right now, and Brady didn't have one while he was breaking records. Ryan, Rivers, and McNabb don't have much of one either. It helps, but it isn't necessary. I want to see what Colt can do when he doesn't have a great run game to help him out.
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He can't pass without rec's. that can get open and catch the ball. We're working on that.
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Can't; there are none. But that's not what I'm saying. I've already said that I like Colt and think he might be the guy. I just need to see him carry a team for an entire game. Before the last drive in regulation yesterday, he struggled when the run game died. Now, the Jets have a great defense and he still played well, but my point remains. He was clutch on the tying drive.
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Colt is a work in progress - but the progression has been darn nice so far. A heck of a lot better than the "we need to give rec's 3 years to come into their own" attitude some have about our rec's.
I agree. Colt has played very well. But I am not ready to anoint him as the franchise QB. I hope you guys will get what I'm saying. In my mind, a franchise QB is a guy who is the focal point of the offense. He isn't feeding off of another aspect, but the other aspects are feeding off of him. I think Colt can be that, but we haven't seen it yet. And I really wouldn't expect to either; very few QB's can do that as rookies. Peyton did it as a rookie, and Bradford is doing it now. Other than those two, there are none that I can think of. We shall see.
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I already touched on this, but I will say it again. I didn't intend to imply that he does it purely by himself, but that he is the focal point of the offense. A franchise quarterback, is, quite simply the main aspect of the offense. The offense revolves around him, not the run game.
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and in his first 10 games Big Ben threw for more than 200 yards... Exactly once... He averaged 21 attempts per game and they relied on their defense and their running game, which is exactly what we are doing, difference is that their defense was just a little better than ours... This notion that Colt is on some timetable to go out and put this team on his back and throw for 400 yards and win games by himself to prove how good he is.. well that's just stupid. Big Ben had a stretch in the middle of his rookie season where 4 out of 5 games he threw for less than 150 yards (they won every game though)... if Colt does that, even if we win, folks will be questioning his ability to lead the team when we need him to.. oh wait, they are already doing that.
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We still need to see what he can do when he has to carry the team the whole game
First, we wanted to see Colt to find out if he possessed basic QB skills. Colt vs. Pitt.... check.
Next, we wanted to see if he could lead the team to wins. Colt vs. NO & NE.... check
Then, we wanted to see if he could bring the team back from a points deficit in a pressure-filled game. Colt vs. NYJ.... check.
Something tells me that you'll probably get your wish before this season concludes. And... I wouldn't bet a dime against him.
I may not be ready to annoint him just yet either.... but I'm getting damned close.
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For what it's worth... Here are the numbers of Rothlisberger's and Colt's first four starts...
Start #1 -
Rothlisberger - 12/20, 176 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT vs. Baltimore
McCoy - 23/33, 281 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT vs. Pittsburgh
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Rothlisberger - 12/22, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. Miami
McCoy - 9/16, 74 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT vs. New Orleans
Start #3 -
Rothlisberger - 17/25, 174 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT vs. Cincinnati
McCoy - 14/19, 174 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT vs. New England
Start #4 -
Rothlisberger - 16/21, 231 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. Browns
McCoy - 18/31, 205 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT vs. Jets
So, to sum it up, after 4 starts...
Rothlisberger - 57/88, 744 yards, 5 TDs, 4 INT's. Passer rating of 91.3.
McCoy - 64/99, 734 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT. Passer rating of 92.7.
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Ok, that was hyperbole. What I mean is that he can take a team on his shoulders for the whole game and make plays to win the game. Yeah, there are plenty of those guys.
I knew what you meant... But really, there aren't as many as you seem to think..
Favre a few years ago,, not so much now
Payton Manning is a guy who fits that description
Tom Brady is another.
Drew Brees is another
Eli Manning maybe / probably I guess
In the past guys like Jim Kelly, Joe Montana, Fran Tarkington, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw and some others fit that profile.
But if you look at each of those guys,, without a solid team, they get nowhere.
Payton Manning, arguably the best playing today, has only won 1 Superbowl and that wasn't just because of him. he had a Great supporting cast around him.
Then you have Tom Brady with 4 trips to the SB and 3 wins.. Tom Brady is a great QB,, but not as good as Payton Manning (IMO anyway)
It's about supporting casts also....
no, there really aren't that many of those guys around today.. 3 maybe 4.. the rest are mere mortals...
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The QB is the leader and face of your team. Your players rally around him. Your RB is the attitude of your team. They help establish an identity of your offense.
Obviously there are different circumstances. Manning is and always was the colts offense. LT was the chargers offense in his glory days.
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Now, we all know Colt has the worst WR's in the NFL, so we know what he can do without them. But, there have been successful QB's with terrible wide outs. In 2004 and 2004, Brady's WR's were pretty bad. He still dominated.
Another example is Phillip Rivers. He's down to his 5th and 6th string WRs and he's still close to breaking Dan Marinos record.
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Now, we all know Colt has the worst WR's in the NFL, so we know what he can do without them. But, there have been successful QB's with terrible wide outs. In 2004 and 2004, Brady's WR's were pretty bad. He still dominated.
Another example is Phillip Rivers. He's down to his 5th and 6th string WRs and he's still close to breaking Dan Marinos record.
a more pertinent example for Colt is Sam Bradford. He's lost a ton of WRs this year (Clayton, Avery being the most important) and is now getting it done with a hobbled Amendola and company.
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I already touched on this, but I will say it again. I didn't intend to imply that he does it purely by himself, but that he is the focal point of the offense. A franchise quarterback, is, quite simply the main aspect of the offense. The offense revolves around him, not the run game.
Really? So you want us to be a one deminsional offense that relies on the pass?
A QB should be respected and followed by his team mates. They should believe in him and be respected by them. Being a team leader doesn't mean you carry a team. It means the team follows you.
I think we are quickly getting that in colt.
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Where did I say that? I never said anything remotely resembling that. The Browns aren't going to have a great run game every game. We are going to need our QB to win us games even when the run game isn't there. We need to know that Colt can do that.
You need more than a leader at QB. You need a guy who will win you games.
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I thought that question was already answerred. Who was it that led the drives at the end of regulation and in overtime yesterday? That rallied the team and put us in the position to win the game?
I saw what it is you claim you're looking for yesterday only Stuckey fumbled the ball.
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BTW- The Rats won the SB with Trent Dilfer. So there's a difference in want and need IMO
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Matt Hasslebeck could do it a few years ago. Eli Manning, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Donvan McNabb, and Matt Ryan are some of the names. That's nearly 1/3rd of the QB's in the NFL.
Derek Anderson did it a couple times too...
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I want to see what Colt can do when he doesn't have a great run game to help him out.
So you want our run game to start sucking so you can grade McCoy?  I think it's funny because for years.. for YEARS... there have been a few constants on this board and one of them was this... "I can't wait until we have a decent OL and a decent running game so we can really grade our QB..." Now we have a good OL and a very good running game and you want them to go away so we can grade our QB...
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But, there have been successful QB's with terrible wide outs. In 2004 and 2004, Brady's WR's were pretty bad. He still dominated.
The year Corey Dillon rushed for over 1600 yards?
Brady was 9th in passer rating.. 10th in passing yards... and they were second in the NFL in points allowed as a defense... Brady was good, he put up nice numbers that year and he was consistent and he spread the ball around well and they scored a lot of points.. but he didn't really dominate...
Deep I know what you are saying but you show me a QB that "dominated" for any length of time and I will show you a team that had other contributing strengths... a guy might be able to pull it off for a game here or a game there but in the long run, teams don't win with just a franchise QB and a bad OL, bad WRs, bad RBs, and a bad defense.. it just doesn't happen...
I will also say that people (and by people I mean you..  ) keep bringing up Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.. is that what Colt has to be? These arguments are just assinine right now...
I will say this, Colt has played 4 consecutive games better than any 4 game stretch by any QB we've had in a long time.. I know that is setting the bar pretty low.. ... I also think most people here are annointing him "starter".. I don't know that anybody is annointing him "franchise" just yet.. I think he can be but let's revisit it next year at this time, then again in 2012 and see where we are.. right now he is by far the best we've got and the rest of the team is playing much better with him on the field and, as somebody else said, others keep throwing up obstacles, things he hasn't accomplished and he keeps knocking them down... so let's just get behind him and enjoy and see where it goes..
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I just need to see him carry a team for an entire game. Before the last drive in regulation yesterday, he struggled when the run game died.
Colt had a better day against the Jets than Tom Brady did when his run game died...
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Colt had a better day against the Jets than Tom Brady did when his run game died...
Hmmm, we need to compare the following to show how well Colt is doing:
1. "Ben vs. NO defense" COMPARED TO "Colt vs. NO defense"
2. "Ben vs. NE defense" COMPARED TO "Colt vs. NE defense"
3. "Brady vs. Jets defense" COMPARED TO "Colt vs. Jets defense"
Pretty sure Colt grades out decently in those comparisons even though Ben padded some stats after getting down big early to NE 
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So you want our run game to start sucking so you can grade McCoy? :confusede: I think it's funny because for years.. for YEARS... there have been a few constants on this board and one of them was this... "I can't wait until we have a decent OL and a decent running game so we can really grade our QB..." Now we have a good OL and a very good running game and you want them to go away so we can grade our QB...
No, I definitely do not want it to go away. I want to win, and having a good run game helps there.  I will try to put it as simply as possible: The NFL is a passing league. A team must have an effective passing game to consistently win. I want to see that Colt can give us that. I want to see that he can be the focal point of the offense. It doesn't mean he has to be every game, but most of the time, a team will pass more than they run.
I will admit that I overlooked the Corey Dillon thing. No, Colt doesn't have to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. But, he does have to be Eli Manning or Matt Hasslebeck. People can point out Trent Dilfer all they want, but a defense of that caliber is extremely rare. With very few exceptions, a team needs a very good QB to win a Super Bowl.
I think the fact that it's been so long since we had a decent QB has warped some people's opinions. To win a Super Bowl (minus the rare exceptions) a team needs a very good QB, not someone who just doesn't lose games for you. We need to see if Colt is that guy.
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he does have to be Eli Manning
he has to throw a ton of INTs? somebody has to tell him to start tossing 2-3 INTs per game
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Just because we haven't seen a good QB in Cleveland doesn't mean we haven't seen one.... there are 31 other teams out that every one of us still gets to watch. It doesn't take much at this point to look at McCoy and know that what we've been seeing isn't a fluke. It isn't a one-hit-wonder type thing like Quinn or a hot-n-cold thing like Anderson. He is legitimate, and consistent - and improving week by week. As for where he is in some imaginary pecking order of QB's? Who the heck cares? Call him Manning, call him Tarkenton, call him Charlie Batch.... I don't care. He gets the job done. Period. That's all that matters.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Just because we haven't seen a good QB in Cleveland
Deep is like 14. He's NEVER seen a good QB in Cleveland  
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Just because we haven't seen a good QB in Cleveland
Deep is like 14. He's NEVER seen a good QB in Cleveland
I'm 22 and the best QB I've seen in Cleveland was 2007 Derek Anderson.
you had a good run Hank.
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