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We just need to pressure Airports to opt out of the TSA Screening... http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/florida-airport-to-opt-out-of-tsa-screening
How will that help? It sounds better, though I think they still have to follow the same guidelines as the TSA..
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a body scanner update....
body scan video
OK, if that is truly the system in question, it looks like it's similar to a nuclear medicine "camera"
If I am correct, it picks up the natural radiation that virtually all matter emits and records photon "hits" received on a very sensitive Chrystal. The voids in the images are where something is blocking the photons or not emitting them. These images do not look like any radiation is being passed through the body, nor would they offer anything in the realm of nude pictures.
Don't know for sure if this is the technology in question, but that may alleviate some of the health concerns anyway.
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In regards to airport security ... regardless of what folks say, there is no 'answer'. Any successful method for preventing a tragic attack will sooner or later be circumvented in some way by those looking to take aim, whether that's racial profiling or feeling people up.
Personally, I think we're taking this thing too far ... at the end of the day, airport security isn't going to be what saves us ... certainly it can save lives on certain occasions, and has done so ... but we need to hit the roots ... proper intelligence gathering and real detective work -- something I've seen lacking severely in all aspects of our safety units, from local police to the top of the coverts, needs to improve. It's become too bureaucratic, too much about the numbers and a chain of command that can't tell it's left from it's right ...
We also need to stop creating enemies around the world with brutal and disastrous foreign policy.
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I just find it interesting that in a time when security of people and items going onto an airplane is at an all time high, that the airlines enact policies that encourage people to have more "carry on" luggage rather than checked bags, which could be better screened in a controlled environment rather than in a line of frustrated travelers.
Seems counterintuitive to me. I'd rather have people board the plane with as little stuff in their hands as possible.
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Approx. 70% of Americans have no problem with body scanners...30% do have a problem.
To those 30%ers...remember those jets that flew into buildings on 9/11?
I seriously doubt that Al Qaeda hijackers like the idea of body scanners, either.
The 30%ers and Al Qaeda hijackers have something in common...think about that.
Still don't like body scanners?...don't fly.
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I seriously doubt that Al Qaeda hijackers like the idea of body scanners, either.
You are wrong, they absolutely LOVE the idea of body scanners and long lines and I'm sure they are absolutely THRILLED at the idea of enhanced pat downs.. I bet they just sit in their caves and huts grinning from ear to freakin' ear watching pansy ass Americans voluntarily giving up our civil liberties because that was THEIR MISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE.. it wasn't to kill a few hundred or a few thousand or even a few hundred thousand, it was to get 10s of millions of us to cower and fear and implement knee jerk reactions to every perceived threat while giving up our civil liberties.. Congratulations to them and to you mac.. to them for their success and to you for thinking this is ok. 
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Approx. 70% of Americans have no problem with body scanners...30% do have a problem.
To those 30%ers...remember those jets that flew into buildings on 9/11?
I seriously doubt that Al Qaeda hijackers like the idea of body scanners, either.
The 30%ers and Al Qaeda hijackers have something in common...think about that.
Still don't like body scanners?...don't fly.
How would body scanners have stopped the 9/11 hijackers?
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Mac, these comments are no better than fear mongering media members that you try and expose.
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I remember the jets. I was there. and I think the body scanners are completely a waste of time and money, as are 95% of the "security" measures we do that actually make us less safe by distracting us from actual threats.
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J/C We can all argue back and forth, but the fact remains that the most efficient way to prevent terrorism on airplanes is profiling. Israel does it, and they are the safest airline in the world (Il Al). The problem today is the political correct BS that is shoved down the throats of our citizens by small minorities of labeled groups. If policemen didn't profile, many crimes would never be solved, and the cost of investigations would skyrocket. Too many spineless politicians and media jack-a holes lead this absurd crap. Catering to groups for votes and or financial backing is what causes it. It is then exploited by assinine groups like the ACLU, who pick and choose who's "civil liberties" they want to protect. Like it or not, since the sixties, just about every airplane that has been bombed or hijacked, has been done by a person or Arab decent, or one that follows middle eastern cultures such as Islam. Until this fact is accepted, it will never end. The enemy is winning, and most are to stupid to realize it. When Bush was wire tapping overseas calls to fight terrorism the ACLU was squawking out loud along with the liberal base. Now we have toddlers and old people being groped by government employees but nothing is said. If this is not enough proof to prove what a farce the ACLU is, nothing is. How many of you knew that one of the thousands of people who traveled with Obama to India on the 2 billion dollar trip, was the guy who is the CEO of the company that provides the scanners being used by the TSA. This president is owned by special intertests, just like Bush and Clinton and the rest. I very seldom agree with PhilDawsonRocks, but this is one point he is spot on about. Big business owns the government. The administration, just like ones before them, pull on heart strings talking about starving kids and delapidated schools, but seldomly ever fix these problems, blaming it on no money. Yet in this past election, between both parties, hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on campaigns. This country is slowly being disassembled from the one formed by the constitution. Arab terrorists are the threat.........pat them down. If they don't like it so what, they hate us anyway. The TSA is just another government project of creating government jobs, soon they will be a government union, just the way the communist in charge likes it. Just another payoff for a reelection votes.
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There may be an alternative that is not profiling.
From my memory, it looks as though all of the people were foreign nationals or foreigners. If you apply a criteria of reasonable cause, I don't think any US citizen would fit that criteria, and you could have stricter security measures for non-us citizens.
So, it 2 minutes, the following is figured out.
The underwear bomber was Nigerian, the shoe bomber was a brit, and 15 of the 19 9/11 bombers were saudie, 2 UAE, 1 Lebanese, and 1 Egyptian.
So....
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Timothy McVeigh was a white guy. I know he didn't crash a plane but the IRS guy a few months ago did. The problem with profiling is the US faces so many diverse threats (like the people you mentioned) in addition to groups such as the Christian Patriot Movement that profiling just wouldn't be that effective. JMO
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We can all argue back and forth, but the fact remains that the most efficient way to prevent terrorism on airplanes is profiling. Israel does it, and they are the safest airline in the world (Il Al).
Profiling isn't why Israel has the safest airline. While they DO profile, their employees are highly intelligent and go through a training program that lasts about a degree. Most of the employees are people with backgrounds in psychology and the less experienced officials defer to those who have been there longer. The job pays a lot more than the TSA jobs. Additionally, Israel has 11,000,000 international passangers per year. The US has 11,000,000 flights per year so I just don't see a way to staff all the airports with highly intelligent people. Airport security doesn't pay nearly as well here as it does in Israel.
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The IRS guy crashed his own plane, he was the pilot and never went through security.
I have not seen any evidence to suggest that americans pose a terrorist risk pn commercial flights.
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I like this idea. Strip search for all non-US citizen travelers. I volunteer to take care of the Swedish bikini models and the Sports Illustrated bikini models......... It's a sacrifice ..... but I'll handle it somehow .......  
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Ultimately, the truth is that the TSA has done little or nothing to keep our skies safer than they were before 9/11. A quick look back at recent history reveals that in the years since 9/11 our best anti-terrorism efforts have come from brave, average civilians on flights. The shoe bomber and the Christmas bomber were both brought down by average citizens, not the TSA or their ridiculous policies.
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Additionally, Israel has 11,000,000 international passangers per year. The US has 11,000,000 flights per year
Wow - the U.S. has 11 million flights per year? That's well over 30,000 flights per day. At an average of, say, 250 people per flight?
Dang - that's about 7 and a half billion people per year - coming into the u.s. on international flights. 7.5 billion people?
You sure your number of flights was right?
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That number includes both domestic and international.
Number of flights (both commercial and domestic) from the FAA:
2004 - 11,188,726
2005 - 11,306,054
2006 - 11,011,929
2007 - 11,175,171
2008 - 10,713,163
2009 - 10,013,224
Obviously domestic flights make up the bulk, so your point is taken. The average number of international flights is around 1.2 million, with around 130 million international passengers.
Source: http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/
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Timothy McVeigh was a white guy. I know he didn't crash a plane but the IRS guy a few months ago did. The problem with profiling is the US faces so many diverse threats (like the people you mentioned) in addition to groups such as the Christian Patriot Movement that profiling just wouldn't be that effective. JMO
I think you are wrong. Sure there are any number of terrorist groups but we know that one particular group has been targeting air travel. That group is Islamic terrorist. We might not be able to stop them entirely but we can use profiling will be able to make things easier.
I know that the word "profiling" makes people go crazy, especially from the left.
The fact is we are using profiling when it comes to domestic terrorists now. Do you believe that this government doesn't target Christian militias now? I know I have zero problem with it.
Granted they do not target every Christian but people who are known to be associated with radical fringes. We also do not need to profile every single Muslim. A good start would be foreign nationals, especially young men. This doesn't mean we can stop screening others but we can focus more attention to certain groups before they ever arrive at the airport. We probably could stop some of this crazy stuff that is happening to little old ladies and little kids.
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I seriously doubt that Al Qaeda hijackers like the idea of body scanners, either.
You are wrong, they absolutely LOVE the idea of body scanners and long lines and I'm sure they are absolutely THRILLED at the idea of enhanced pat downs.. I bet they just sit in their caves and huts grinning from ear to freakin' ear watching pansy ass Americans voluntarily giving up our civil liberties because that was THEIR MISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE.. it wasn't to kill a few hundred or a few thousand or even a few hundred thousand, it was to get 10s of millions of us to cower and fear and implement knee jerk reactions to every perceived threat while giving up our civil liberties.. Congratulations to them and to you mac.. to them for their success and to you for thinking this is ok.
DC...so dramatic...don't like the body scanners...don't fly.
BTW, your opinion..is in line with the 29% "minority".
Before 9/11, some didn't pay much attention to the Presidents Daily Brief, either...that all changed after an unfocused, uncoordinated United States Gov. learned that Al Qaeda was a real threat.
How quickly some forget the pain and loss all (most) Americans felt on and after Sept. 11, 2001.
Most Americans realized airport security would have to change if we were going to combat the Al Qaeda terrorist threat. Most Americans realized we had to be "smarter" than our enemy and stay one step ahead of them when it comes to combating another terrorist attack.
Oh how quickly "some" forget the pain and lessons of 9/11.
We all know someone who never seems to learn the lessons from life's experiences. There are those who feel, "it" will never happen again..."it" will never happen to them. Those 29%ers are free drive past those airports that provide the highest level of security for the flying public. They are free to drive, take a bus, walk...free to find an airport with lower levels of security.
Reading this thread, it obvious that "some" are misinformed and uneducated when it comes to these full body scanners. The scanners do detect objects that are not metallic. Like any technology, full body scanners will evolve and improve.
Funny thing about these new full body scanners...they are not so "new".
It was "2007" when TSA began deploying Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) (aka, full body scanners)...
I don't recall anyone complaining about Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) (aka, full body scanners) in 2007, 2008 or 2009.
Like many of the Homeland Security Recommendations, full implementation of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) has been slow to develop and implement...and it is interesting that "only now" a minority of Americans are complaining about them. These full body scanners are just another tool to be used in an effort to keep all who fly, safe.
...even the 29%ers.
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In this new America everyone is guilty until they can prove themselves innocent by exposing their naked body to a government representative.
I think its wrong. And I think that this is just the first step in this whole slippery slope. Wait and see where we are 50 years from now.
The bottom line always remains---where there is a will; there is a way. And despite the bevy of security procedures that we will enact to protect the citizens of this country, bad stuff will still happen from time to time. Our best option, in my opinion, is to keep our same procedures--prior to this new x-ray garbage---and preach vigilance from our populace. If Americns are going to defeat this terrorist threat, then they need to be prepared to recognize it and act immediately to neutralize the situation.
People need to prepare to be on the frontlines everyday and ready to fight for their freedom---and their life.
I am pretty sure that has been what America has been about for hundreds of years. Its about the people standing up and fighting for what they believe in. We should not allow ourselves to be duped into believing that it is the job of some magical government agency with its new technologies to protect us from everyday threats. Instead we should accept what hundreds of thousands of Americans have accepted since this country was founded. Accept your responsibility to protect your way of life from those who seek to destroy it.
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What I am saying is that people should not sit back and allow our government to continue to trample our personal freedoms because we are too fearful to take it upon ourselves to ensure the safety of those around us.
If we keep shirking this responsibility and giving the government more powers to "protect" us. Then we are losing much more than the war on terror. We are losing our way of life---and that's what we sent so many to die for in the first place.
The higher-ups who enact garbage like this are destroying the state just as the terrorists seek to do. But they are doing it with pen and paper instead of guns and bombs.
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Everyone should refuse the scanner and opt for the pat down. Do not go into a private room, stay in the public's view.
While being patted down, reenact the Meg Ryan restaurant scene from When Harry Met Sally.
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Funny thing about these new full body scanners...they are not so "new".
It was "2007" when TSA began deploying Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) (aka, full body scanners)...
I don't recall anyone complaining about Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) (aka, full body scanners) in 2007, 2008 or 2009.
Like many of the Homeland Security Recommendations, full implementation of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) has been slow to develop and implement...and it is interesting that "only now" a minority of Americans are complaining about them. These full body scanners are just another tool to be used in an effort to keep all who fly, safe.
...even the 29%ers.
Whose idea was it to develop and deploy full body scanners? ...Answer: GW Bush admin/Homeland Security
Full body scanners..not a new idea folks.
What is new is the sudden outrage and the fact that it comes not from a cross section of Americans...but from those mainly of the RW/Teabag Party/GOP origin.
....sorry, but that fact smells of a RW political agenda.
...think about it...RWers did not complain when their President GW Bush and the Homeland Security Dept. announced the plan to develop and depoly full body scanners.
...the first "full body scanners" were used at an Arizona airport in Nov. 2007...did anyone hear RWers or Arizona Senator McCain complain then?..Answer: Not a word from the RW in 2007.
So what is going on here folks?...
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Right Wing is Ginning Up the Outrage Against TSA to Privatize Airport Security and Prevent Unionization
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No one wants to be groped in order to board an airplane or go through a body scan that will cause exposure to radiation (although the level of danger is subject to a hot debate).
And it doesn't help public opinion that bigwigs like John Boehner, Barack Obama and airline pilots can bypass both - and many of the super rich avoid such intrusive security searches by flying their private or corporate jets. Furthermore, BuzzFlash has documented how the profiteering of former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff played a key role in the government purchase of the euphemistically named "Advanced Imaging Technology."
Nevertheless, it is important to remember that the current outrage -- while personally understandable -- against the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) intrusive technology and pat-downs just happens to fit the anti-government narrative of both the Tea Party and mainstream Republicans in Congress.
The creation of the TSA was held up even under the Bush administration because Tom DeLay was insisting that the security function for airports be privatized. So, it's of little surprise that conservative Republican Congressman John Mica, who will likely become the chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, is advocating for - you guessed it - the privatization of TSA functions. As a blog entry in Crooks and Liars notes: "Republicans want to use the recent outrage over the aggressive screening tactics being used by the TSA at airports as an excuse to privatize it. As Steve Benen noted this weekend, that of course doesn't solve the problem and just brings with it a whole new set of concerns."
The Bush administration shamelessly used fear as a means of exploiting concerns about flying - and a small group of terrorists are, it appears, interested in bringing down planes. But to blame the government for trying to protect airlines passenger is likely only happening because we have a Democratic president - and it perfectly fits the Republican "intrusive government" narrative.
Perhaps, it is no coincidence that the Federal Labor Relations Authority just gave the green light on November 12 of this year to allow TSA workers to hold a union representation vote, which would likely lead to collective bargaining. This is another motivation for the Republicans and the likes of the Tea Party to gin up anti-TSA hysteria.
There are ample reasons for the TSA to reconsider its unpalatable security procedures, but privatizing the function would just be another anti-government victory and a setback for the labor movement. More importantly, we are likely to be more at risk when we fly if profit is the only motive for "safety in the skies."
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Sorry but I'm not wasting my time reading your source that is a blog.
When you going to answer the question you have been asked a thousand times? I know you never will since it was a bold face lie.
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I was watching the news Wednesday night.. they reported that there was supposed to be protestors all over the place in airports,, yet, they didn't see any...
so it sounds like it's much ado about nothing....
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