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Giants coach Tom Coughlin isn’t planning to make any changes to his coaching staff, but he might not have a choice.
Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell could be headed elsewhere.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Cleveland and Carolina have both submitted interview requests to the Giants, saying they’d like to interview Fewell for their head-coaching vacancies.
Fewell just finished his first year as the Giants’ defensive coordinator. He was with the Bills from 2006 until the end of the 2009 season, first as defensive coordinator and then, at the end of his tenure in Buffalo, as interim head coach.
By interviewing Fewell, the Browns and Panthers will have satisfied the requirements of the Rooney Rule.
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I doubt we hire Fewell, but at least he's a little more legit than a lot of the minority candidates we interview.
"Hey, Mel Tucker, if I gave you $40 million a year, would you coach this team?
Yeah.
Okay, we'll think about it. That's the end of the interview."
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The Rooney Rule is another of those well intended social engineering programs that is really quite useless in its implementation.
Many times a team already has a frontrunner, or a coach they will flat out hire. Everyone knows it. They still have to put some poor guy through the humiliation of a token interview to satisfy the letter of the law.
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The Rooney Rule is completely outdated.
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I agree 100%.
I'm just saying that Fewell at least has a *legit* chance of being a HC someday. Sometimes you see the minority candidate these teams bring in and you say "wow, there is no chance they'll ever hire that guy."
I doubt we hire him, but I won't be surprised if he's a HC somewhere within the next few years.
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
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This is PATHETIC...
Goodell???...Rid the NFL of this BS...
R u serious???...This dude is nothing but an African-American that HAS to be interviewed by any team to satisfy this ABSURD rule...It's a gosh damn embarrassment to the individual...And to any NON-RACIST individual in this country...
Rooney Rule My Ass...
And quite frankly...I AM TIRED of this BS Minority thing...It's the 21st century people...If you DESERVE it...You'll get an interview...And maybe even HIRED...But to bring a black person in just to satisfy some RULE???...BS...
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
What I was thinking. Except not Dennis Green . . .
Now can we all please stay on topic and talk about "Head coach interviews" w/out voicing our opinion on the Rooney Rule?
I wouldn't argue if we hired Fewell (sp?), Fox or Gruden. Just trusting Holmgren at this point. . . . 
Wouldn't mind hiring Cowher, Fisher or Harbaugh either, to name a few more . . . 
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I'll say the Panthers have legitimate intentions.
Us, ehhh, not so much.
But we can always go back to Mike Tomlin getting interviewed for the Steelers job when everyone thought it would be Whisenhunt's or Grimm's job. Tomlin blew their socks off and got hired.
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Whoever we hire as Head Coach, I want a really, really experienced staff. I want position coaches who have actually developed players at thier respective positions. I can see maybe 1 inexperienced guy on either side of the ball, but I want coordinators who have seen it all, and who can react to things without hesitation.
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
I'd take either one of those guys if they weren't Herm Edwards or Dennis Green.
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I'll say the Panthers have legitimate intentions.
Us, ehhh, not so much.
But we can always go back to Mike Tomlin getting interviewed for the Steelers job when everyone thought it would be Whisenhunt's or Grimm's job. Tomlin blew their socks off and got hired.
+1
That's why the rule is there.
Of course, if a minority can be voted in as the president of the United States....we don't really have to worry about making sure minorities still get special treatment for HC jobs in the NFL.
I'd say it's time to remove the Rooney Rule in the NFL.
Although, having one for college football might be a good idea.....wasn't it only like one or two black coaches across all of Div1 football? That seems quite low for 119 jobs. The NFL had 4-5 at the same time (with 90 less open positions).
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
Herm Edwards said on ESPN radio the other week that he really wasn't interested in being a head coach again due to the long days. He said he likes doing radio instead.
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I'd have no problem with a HC who is totally hands off, so long as he has totally competent coordinators, position coaches, etc.
He should be involved in game management, roster decisions, etc., but when it comes to the actual implementation of the game plan, leave it to the coordinators.
Now, that only works if you have truly good coordinators.
And, I've have no problem with a HC who is the coordinator, too, so long as he can handle it.
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Whoever we hire as Head Coach, I want a really, really experienced staff. I want position coaches who have actually developed players at their respective positions. I can see maybe 1 inexperienced guy on either side of the ball, but I want coordinators who have seen it all, and who can react to things without hesitation.
To me this was EM's biggest downfall. I think a lot of coaches make this mistake. As a matter of fact just about every coach we have hired since our return has made this mistake. You need to find assistant coaches that you can trust to do their job and free yourself up to oversee all of the other things that come from being a HC.
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I have "all bets are off' playing in the background and I just heard a woman call in to Bruce drennen and say that Grudin should be the choice to replace mangini... Her reasons,, he was a good coach before, won a superbowl and was from OHIO. OK,, Look, Yeah, he won a superbowl, yeah, he's a decent coach.. But what the hell does being from Ohio have to do with it.  If the next coach is from Mars and he wins a superbowl,,, I'm good with it...
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Whoever we hire as Head Coach, I want a really, really experienced staff. I want position coaches who have actually developed players at their respective positions. I can see maybe 1 inexperienced guy on either side of the ball, but I want coordinators who have seen it all, and who can react to things without hesitation.
To me this was EM's biggest downfall. I think a lot of coaches make this mistake. As a matter of fact just about every coach we have hired since our return has made this mistake. You need to find assistant coaches that you can trust to do their job and free yourself up to oversee all of the other things that come from being a HC.
I think that's the goal of every newly hired coach....get good assistant coaches. But here's the rub, most tenured assistants are trying to become head coaches themselves. It's not easy to waltz into a HC position and then just call all the best assistants in the biz expecting them to take a lateral positions to a losing team.
I think it's easier said than done. But I get you're point.
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Why hasnt Cowhers name been mentioned?
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Why hasnt Cowhers name been mentioned?
It's being mentioned by about every other caller on All bets are off....LOL
I just don't see it
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Why hasnt Cowhers name been mentioned?
I think he made it clear he would never accept a position in Cleveland out of respect to the Rooney's and the fans of Pittsburgh. Smart or not.
And plus, he lives in Carolina....and they just let their coach go.
I would be stunned to even hear that MH called him.
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Morninhweg - HC
McDaniels - OC
Marv Lewis - DC
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My guess is Cowher has enough clout to call his own shots. I don't know that we could get him if we wanted with the structure we have in place. Would he be willing to answer to a President and GM?
That said Cowher has never really excited me.
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Narrows THAT down, CalDawg. About as transparent as it gets IMO! LOLetc.
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Why hasnt Cowhers name been mentioned?
Lerner actually met with Cowher after Crennel was fired and Cowher said he wasn't interested in coming to the Browns.
I could either see Cowher going to the Panthers or Dolphins if the price was right.
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I'd be interested in seeing more info on this. McDaniels scares me a bit though. He was a total disaster in Denver. Heck so was MM and Lewis in their respective stints (though Lewis isn't officially gone yet).
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't success in the NFL more about the talent you have than the coaches you have coaching that talent? I'm more interested in how we're going to get more talent.
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
I'd take either one of those guys if they weren't Herm Edwards or Dennis Green.
What about Herman Edwards or Denny Green?
At least we would have entertaining beer commercials/press conferences.
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I have "all bets are off' playing in the background and I just heard a woman call in to Bruce drennen and say that Grudin should be the choice to replace mangini... Her reasons,, he was a good coach before, won a superbowl and was from OHIO.
OK,, Look, Yeah, he won a superbowl, yeah, he's a decent coach.. But what the hell does being from Ohio have to do with it.
If the next coach is from Mars and he wins a superbowl,,, I'm good with it...
Oh c'mon, you've read some of the homers on this board, all they have to be is from OSU and they are football gods!
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What about Saban?
Is this serious?
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What about Saban?
Is this serious?
I hope he just forgot to put the /sarcasm after it.
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Lerner actually met with Cowher after Crennel was fired and Cowher said he wasn't interested in coming to the Browns.
I could either see Cowher going to the Panthers or Dolphins if the price was right.
You also have to remember WHY he told Randy that at the time. He wanted to spend more time with his girls while they were still young and probably knew his wife had terminal cancer. I really doubt he cares a rats butt about insulting the Rooneys or the Steeler fans.
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The Rooney Rule is another of those well intended social engineering programs that is really quite useless in its implementation.
Many times a team already has a frontrunner, or a coach they will flat out hire. Everyone knows it. They still have to put some poor guy through the humiliation of a token interview to satisfy the letter of the law.
Here's my biggest beef of when the Rooney Rule needs to be exempt: hiring an interim HC on full time. Frazier gets promoted full time and the Vikings didn't have to do a thing. The Cowboys on the other hand need to interview someone before removing interim title from Garrett. That is a total waste of time. Obviously the person being interviewed has ZERO shot at getting the job since the person that they want is technically already in the position. That is just insane in my mind.
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Cowher will wait until the perfect job falls in his lap.
It could have been the Giants if Coughlin was fired.
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Seriously
He's had some NFL experience. I know the first go around wasnt the greatest as a head coach. But he has roots in this area, a great eye for talent and a motivator. With Holmgren here I think it would be a great match.
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Leslie Frazier is off the list of potentials, Vikings just hired him full time to replace chilly.
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Yes. So has Rod Rust.
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Understatement. It was a disaster. He was talking with Alabama while he was still with the Dolphins.
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Like taking Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees?
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Saban has a huge ego. There is no way he would take any NFL job where he didn't have full control.
With Holmgren here not only is it a horrible match, but it there is no match to be had.
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I like Hermie, but I like his twin brother better, Tony Dungy.
That's all for me on the Rooney Rule. It stinks.
I'd just go ahead and get Gruden in here.
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What about Herm Edwards, or Dennis Green?
I'd take either one of those guys if they weren't Herm Edwards or Dennis Green.
What about Herman Edwards or Denny Green?
Nope...Nope..
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