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Pat Shurmur...not enough NFL experience...
Seven years with Philly and two with St. Louis. I wouldn't say 9 years is a lack of experience.
peen...9 yrs NFL experience is weak.
He has not paid enough dues...I'm tired of weak resume's...experience does matter. The guy has no HC experience..not even at the college level.
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1) Jackson was a beast before Shurmur got there..
2) McNabb was a beast as well.
I don't like to give credit to coaches for players individual achievements...
We could say daboll led Jerome Harrison to an explosive end of the 2009 season where he broke all sorts of records, and in 2010 helped Peyton Hillis gain over 1000 yards. No, I will not be giving credit to Daboll for any of that.
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If I were the Browns I'd do everything possible to get EM hired by Carolina.Then trade all those ex Jets along with Mssrs. St Clair and Royal for a shot at our franchise QB.
What? It could happen.
Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman, David Bowens, Eric Barton, Chancey Stuckey, Jason Trusnik, and Ray Ventrone for the #1 Overall pick.
I'd do it.
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If I were the Browns I'd do everything possible to get EM hired by Carolina.Then trade all those ex Jets along with Mssrs. St Clair and Royal for a shot at our franchise QB.
What? It could happen.
FTI, Trades including current players will not be permitted unless a new CBA is in place by draft time.
I have no problem with the x-Jet players on our team. Some will not be back next season, but I'll take them over the 2009 draft picks minus Mack any day of the week 
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Only one thing really matters here, in order for him to be in the running. Is his agent Bob LaMonte?
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Only one thing really matters here, in order for him to be in the running. Is his agent Bob LaMonte?
cal...if the BEST qualified man for the job is represented by LaMonte...you believe Holmgren should pass on that choice for someone acceptable to "you" ...represented by an agent other than LaMonte?
Is this your belief?...explain
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Folks, I can't speak for everyone (fan), but I am sick and tiered of a Coach cutting his teeth as head Coach of the Browns.
It stands to reason that a new head Coach is going to have growing pains, so too will his team.
I think we are all witness to this.
For some franchises that might be okay, but we have gone down that well before and found it held no water for us.
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Well, with a team that fires coaches much or more than most teams, every 2-3 years, what do we expect?
An experienced coach will look at our recent history and know that he's likely to lose his job if everything doesn't go right.
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His uncle, the late Fritz Shurmur, coached for the Rams from 1982- 90 and served as the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator from 1994-98 and helped that club win two NFC Championships and Super Bowl XXXI against the New England Patriots.
His uncle was the DC under Holmgren in GB. I'm sure MH has known the guy for a very long time. There could already be a connection there.
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Again, I want a leader. I want a leader who will hire good coordinators and good position coaches, and who will let them do their jobs.
Ytown you got it right. Its all about finding a true leader secure enough to surround himself with the most talented people that he can find. This is what made Holmgren so successful.
I did find one it interesting that Holmgren is going to look at some college coaches. Mike Sherman came to mind instantly.
As for Shurmur, he is a talented young coach. I have nothing negative to say about the guy. He has had success pretty much anywhere he has been.
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Speaking of college coaches, as others have said, I won't be surprised if we at least look at Harbaugh.
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Folks, I can't speak for everyone (fan), but I am sick and tiered of a Coach cutting his teeth as head Coach of the Browns.
It stands to reason that a new head Coach is going to have growing pains, so too will his team.
I think we are all witness to this.
For some franchises that might be okay, but we have gone down that well before and found it held no water for us.
Twice bitten, twice shy baby!
So you want to make sure we get a coach that has tried and failed someplace else before? That would make you feel better... Yes, everybody would love to have Cowher or somebody who has had great success elsewhere but there are about 2 or 3 of those guys out there.. so let's say for the sake of argument that we can't get one of them... who then would you like?
Me personally, I like the Chiefs model... go get a young energetic head coach, even if this is his first HC gig, then get him some very experienced Off and Def coordinators....
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Only one thing really matters here, in order for him to be in the running. Is his agent Bob LaMonte?
cal...if the BEST qualified man for the job is represented by LaMonte...you believe Holmgren should pass on that choice for someone acceptable to "you" ...represented by an agent other than LaMonte?
Is this your belief?...explain
My belief is that the coaching pool, (ie: serious contenders, not just casting a wide net for the sake of appearance,) should not be limited to those represented by LaMonte, or the Holmgren coaching tree. Of course, whether the coach chosen is a client of LaMonte, comes from Holmgren's coaching tree, or hails from Mars, he will obviously be portrayed as the BEST qualified by virtue of the hiring. That doesn't necessarily mean that he will be, so that's sort of a silly question. The question is, will the hire be considered to be the BEST qualified because he is a LaMonte client, or comes from the "tree"? Homgren is making a lot of noise about making the right decision, and casting a wide net, excluding no one and not concentrating on anything or anyone specifically. If he does that, then we stand a shot of landing the "right guy". If not... well, we can extend this discussion in about two years.
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Only one thing really matters here, in order for him to be in the running. Is his agent Bob LaMonte?
cal...if the BEST qualified man for the job is represented by LaMonte...you believe Holmgren should pass on that choice for someone acceptable to "you" ...represented by an agent other than LaMonte?
Is this your belief?...explain
My belief is that the coaching pool, (ie: serious contenders, not just casting a wide net for the sake of appearance,) should not be limited to those represented by LaMonte, or the Holmgren coaching tree. Of course, whether the coach chosen is a client of LaMonte, comes from Holmgren's coaching tree, or hails from Mars, he will obviously be portrayed as the BEST qualified by virtue of the hiring. That doesn't necessarily mean that he will be, so that's sort of a silly question. The question is, will the hire be considered to be the BEST qualified because he is a LaMonte client, or comes from the "tree"? Homgren is making a lot of noise about making the right decision, and casting a wide net, excluding no one and not concentrating on anything or anyone specifically. If he does that, then we stand a shot of landing the "right guy". If not... well, we can extend this discussion in about two years.
Let me be a little more direct...since candidates that LaMonte represents, do not meet "your" standard of "qualified" candidates...tell us what "agent" you prefer?
After you tell us what "agent" you prefer, then tell us the coaching candidate you believe is best qualified to be HC of the Browns.
Also, could you tell us how you are going to know how wide of a net (search) Holmgren makes?
If MH does not pick the person you want, are you going to cry that Holmgren did not cast a wide enough net?
The truth is, you have not a clue how wide of a search Holmgren is going to make. You have no way of knowing unless MH invites you to set with him until the search is complete..not likely.
But will that stop you from raising hell about the subject of how wide the search was?...not likely. Regardless of how wide the search is, you are going to complain...write it down folks.
Cal, I know you have an agenda!
You're a Mangini lover and you are pissed that Holmgren fired him. Now you are trying to think up silly crap to criticize Holmgren over...(such as which agent represents the next HC). You care more about who is coaching the Browns than you do about "WINNING".
Listen, Mangini deserved to be fired...he was given a chance and blew it. I suggest you blame Mangini and his coaching staff and stop the silly act of going after Holmgren for doing what he should have done last year.
Immature, crying and complaining about silly things like who the agent is of the individual Holmgren chooses or how wide the search is...that stuff is just a front to "your agenda" which you have already posted.
You now hate Holmgren and anything he does...because he fired Mangini. You will post, complaining about anything and everything Holmgren does, regardless of what it is. If the team loses, you blame Holmgren and claim we should have kept Mangini.
You could just stop this silly little game...I hope you do...you are good board member. But if you want to continue your agenda, expect to be called out.
Maybe you should see where Mangini goes next and become a fan of that team...
...or a better idea, IMO, would be to lose the agenda here and try supporting the team you claim to a fan of...the Cleveland Browns?
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Cal, I know you have an agenda!
You're a Mangini lover and you are pissed that Holmgren fired him. Now you are trying to think up silly crap to criticize Holmgren over...(such as which agent represents the next HC). You care more about who is coaching the Browns than you do about "WINNING".
Listen, Mangini deserved to be fired...he was given a chance and blew it. I suggest you blame Mangini and his coaching staff and stop the silly act of going after Holmgren for doing what he should have done last year.
Immature, crying and complaining about silly things like who the agent is of the individual Holmgren chooses or how wide the search is...that stuff is just a front to "your agenda" which you have already posted.
You now hate Holmgren and anything he does...because he fired Mangini. You will post, complaining about anything and everything Holmgren does, regardless of what it is. If the team loses, you blame Holmgren and claim we should have kept Mangini.
You could just stop this silly little game...I hope you do...you are good board member. But if you want to continue your agenda, expect to be called out.
Maybe you should see where Mangini goes next and become a fan of that team...
...or a better idea, IMO, would be to lose the agenda here and try supporting the team you claim to a fan of...the Cleveland Browns?
Call me crazy, but I think you're reading way too much into his posts. I took cal's first post as a reference to the "Who is Lamonte" thread......Lamonte apparently represents a whole bunch of coaches...(and the thread mentioned something about lamonte running the browns now.....ect).. I took cal's post as a tongue in cheek thing, maybe I'm wrong. But dude, you're jumping down someone's throat over nothing.
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No surprise: It’s Fisher or Young in Tennessee
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January 4, 2011, 10:24 AM EST
It’s judgment time in Tennessee.
By all indications, owner Bud Adams has decided he wants to keep Vince Young. And coach Jeff Fisher won’t be back if Young returns to the roster. NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora has been reporting variations of this story for weeks.
Fisher has a clause in his contract that allows him to choose his quarterback. Adams has reportedly been advised by senior team officials to let go of Young, but no one expects him to follow that suggestion.
So Adams may not just choose Young over his head coach, but choose to ignore the advice of his upper management.
“Unless Adams changes his mind, it’s over,” La Canfora writes.
If Fisher leaves, the Titans head coaching job will look a lot less attractive because of the Young mess.
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And coach Jeff Fisher won’t be back if Young returns to the roster.
If it happens I hope MH interviews Fisher.
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Interview nothing... we better kidnap him and refuse to let him go until he signs!
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I like Fisher too. I would think he'd be on most GM's short lists if available.
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This is my early favorite ........
Mike McCoy.
He has seen the "How to" by working for both Mike Hlmgren and John Fox, as well as the "How not to" by working for McDaniels in Denver. He's 48 years old, so he's both young, and experienced. I think he could be that "Young Holmgren" that the elder Holmgren covets.
Teams him with a guy like Brad Childress as OC, and an experienced defensive coordinator who could also wear the title of assistant head coach. We could keep Brad Seely as special teams coach, and Carl Smith as QB coach to ensure continuity with McCoy.
He could also go a completely unforeseen route and promote Brad Seely to Head Coach, and add a very experienced OC and DC. He's 54, and is an innovative and creative special teams coach, who has never been afraid to demand accountability from his units, and who has never been afraid to take a chance. From everything I have read, he is a firey guy without being an ass. He is a motivator. He's my dark horse.
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He could also go a completely unforeseen route and promote Brad Seely to Head Coach, and add a very experienced OC and DC. He's 54, and is an innovative and creative special teams coach, who has never been afraid to demand accountability from his units, and who has never been afraid to take a chance. From everything I have read, he is a firey guy without being an ass. He is a motivator. He's my dark horse.
Hiring a ST Coach to be a HC? That would NEEEVER work...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Ah .... But Seely is Special Teams Coordinator and assistant head coach. Like I said ... he's my dark horse.
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that's a great darkhorse pick (as long as he had good, experienced co-ordinators, I'd be onboard)
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A name mentioned on 1100 AM this morning was Mike Mularkey. I'm neither for nor against him as a head coach (haven't thought about it enough), but he did have a pretty imaginative offense in Pittsburgh. His tenure in Buffalo as a head coach wasn't good, but he hasn't been out of work, and could be someone interesting to at least look at.
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And all of these fine choices left the Browns and became very successful NFL head Coach's with multiple play off Wins ! Just saying !
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I would take Fisher 8000 times before I'd take Fox...
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I would take Fisher 8000 times before I'd take Fox...
You know , out of all the names thrown around Fox is my least favorite . The guy hired Jeff Davidson to be his OC ..Scares me !
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And all of these fine choices left the Browns and became very successful NFL head Coach's with multiple play off Wins ! Just saying !
As have most of the candidates we have seen mentioned as our next potential Head Coach. ........ 
Most coaches go out on a losing note.
Gruden lost his final 4 games in Tampa.
Holmgren had a losing season in his final year in Seattle.
John Fox had a losing season in his just completed final year.
Brad Childress actually had a winning record in Minnesota ..... but hit the skids this year at 3-7.
Most experienced former head coaches are available for a reason ..... they lost at the wrong time, or under the wrong circumstances.
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Personally, I like Greg Olson in TB, but would be happy with McCoy. I believe either could be a great coach if surrounded by the right assistants.
you had a good run Hank.
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You know , out of all the names thrown around Fox is my least favorite . The guy hired Jeff Davidson to be his OC ..Scares me !
I'd take Fox as DC for Fisher as HC. It's a switch to a 4-3 (which I don't like), but with those 2 calling the D, I'll take my chances.
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As have most of the candidates we have seen mentioned as our next potential Head Coach. ........
Most coaches go out on a losing note.
Gruden lost his final 4 games in Tampa.
Holmgren had a losing season in his final year in Seattle.
John Fox had a losing season in his just completed final year.
Brad Childress actually had a winning record in Minnesota ..... but hit the skids this year at 3-7.
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No no no .. I will not let you compare Are list of expendables with the likes of Gruden/Fox/Holmgren all who took teams to the super Bowl .. Please !
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I'd take Fisher about 8000 times before I'd take just about every other coach that's been named as a replacement ... please Tennessee, let him go. 
Two scenerios REALLY scare me about this whole "coaching swap" ...
One, is Holmgren getting the top gig, so he can eventually fire the current coach, and install himself as head coach. Just wreaks of micromanagement, and would raise huge red flags in just about any other business ... Plus it hardly EVER works when one guy is calling all the shots on a football team. Heck, it didn't work the first time Holmgren did it.
Two, is all these rumors about Holmgren just going with whoever his agent suggests. The last thing we need is an agent calling the shots for this team. 
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Ah .... But Seely is Special Teams Coordinator and assistant head coach.
Like I said ... he's my dark horse.
i would actually be on board with that. if he had Ventrone, Trusnick, Titus Brown, Costanza playing like all stars, imagine what he would do with the whole team? lol. Team him with some really experienced and entrenched coordinators and heck, i'd definitely be on board with that.
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One, is Holmgren getting the top gig, so he can eventually fire the current coach, and install himself as head coach. Just wreaks of micromanagement, and would raise huge red flags in just about any other business ... Plus it hardly EVER works when one guy is calling all the shots on a football team. Heck, it didn't work the first time Holmgren did it.
If Holmgren just wanted to coach again, there were far better ways for him to do that than coming to Cleveland and pretending to be President for a year... with his name he could have had any number of other better opportunities.... doesn't make sense why he would do it this way.
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I don't mind MH getting advice from all over the place but in the end, either he will be remembered for turning around the Browns or he will be remembered for failing to turn around the Browns, nobody will remember his agents name.. so I seriously doubt he is putting too much importance on the advice of his agent or that this has really anything to do with his agent finding a spot for another client...
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I dont want Mr Control Freak anywhere near this team.
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I dont want Mr Control Freak anywhere near this team.
I don't think him and Holmgren are on the best of terms after the Steve Hutchinson poison pill fiasco.
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a bit off topic and not to you but don't Titan players generally love Fisher? I believe most of them really respect and admire the guy and like playing for him... so how is Vince Young going to be received in the lockerroom if it is believed he is the guy that got Fisher fired? Wow, that could create some REALLY uncomfortable moments if Young plays poorly, which he is prone to do. Bet the team wishes that Adams would just go to England and watch soccer and let the football people handle the football issues...
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Who the hell would want to coach that team knowing you have no choice but to play Young at QB?
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Me too. Fox doesn't interest me in the least. At best I'd take him for d. coordinator.
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