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Your right Ammo...i thought there was a chance Mike would coach until after the press conference.

The reasons he stated was a "nice way" of saying no way. Holmgren is not going to risk his legacy at this point coaching us...a 3 or 4 year diaster here could really hurt his coaching legacy...the grimmace on his face when they asked him about coaching the Browns was all i needed to see.

i don't blame Holmgren 1 bit either considering our past here and all....its a smart move for him.

I also think Gruden is a pipe dream the same as Cowher...I don't think Gruden will come here...why should he? he is still being paid by Tampa for 1 more year, and he has that nice plush contract with ESPN....Gruden will stay put until next year and will come back to a team closer to being able to contend.

The ONLY semi-big name coach that would be willing to come to the Browns is most likely Brian Billick....he comes from the Walsh tree through Dennis Green....and he would probably like to stick it to the Raven's twice a year....

If we don't get Billick....we will end up with a coordinator getting the HC gig here.....I don't see guys like Gruden and cowher coming here, and right now...i just don't see Holmgren doing it...not after that pres conference...not after the grimmace i seen on his face....were too far away right now and Holmgren don't want to go out like that on the end of his career.

We should be ok though....Shimur and Mularky are intresting candidates, and Billick could be a realistic possibility...i think we have a better chance of getting Billick then Gruden, and Billick is a better coach...he won a Super Bowl "without" a QB...its too bad he never had a real QB in Baltimore...

Also getting Billick would mena if Rob Ryan doesn't get a HC job Billick may keep him since Billick ran the 3-4 in Baltimore unde rhis brother Rex..im sure Rex would reccommend Billick to keep his brother.

so those who want to stick with the 3-4 should be pulling for Billick....he will most likely keep Rob Ryan here if Ryan don't get a HC gig...due to Billick working with his brother in Baltimore...

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I'm not too sure who we have interviewed yet but Mort and Schefter just reported the OC from the Rams is the apparent front runner to take over here in Cleveland.

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Holmgren isn't committed 100% to putting in the hours necessary to win.

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He's not 100% committed to coaching.




In fairness though, it could be if the "as a coach" is assumed in the 1st sentence.

I would have to go back and read the original instance of its usage ...... but frankly, it just doesn't matter all that much to me.




Of course I meant "as a coach." That was the entire context of the post!

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Not surprising as Shurmur is only one of two guys that have interviewed so far. That we know of anyway.

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Here is a thought too:

I think the Browns should look into Jim Tressell....now hear me out this is why:

1. Tressell will not demand control very much if at all. The guy has been a winner everywhere he has been.

2. Jim Tressell would allow Holmgren and Heckert to handpick his Offensive Coordinator and they would let Tressell focus on what he knows best...Defense.

3. The last time the Browns were really good, they hired a coach from Ohio State named Paul Brown....why not get history to repeat itself?

Tressell is a good coach, players rally around the guy....he would allow Holmgren and Heckert to pick the OC most likely allowing Holmgren to be pacified with the direction of the Offense....also Tressell would run a good solid D that is much more to Holmgren's liking.

in other words Holmgren could smooth a few of the rough edges for Tressell during the transistion from College to pros and I firmly believe Tressell is a very good coach....and he is a lifelong Browns fan to boot......

The Cleveland Browns could do a lot worse then pairing Tressell with a Holmgren handpicked Offensive Coordinator...and Tressell is a good gameday coach....

its just a thought, I have always thought highley of Tressell and I think the situation in Cleveland with Holmgren and Heckert in place would be PERFECT for Tressell....we could Run Holmgren's Offense with a hard-nosed Tressell Defense

one thing about Tressell is the guy knows Linebackers and Defensive Line....he has laways had pretty good D units and a lot of good Linebackers drafted out of his program

again its just a thought.

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I just hope that the next guy is the right guy .... because I do think that we just dumped a guy who could have been the right guy.

I'm tired of watching this team fumble the rebuilding ball time after time after time after time ......

I hope that Holmgren knows what he's doing, and that he gets this right.


I am sick and tired of watching teams in our own division win Super Bowls, while we struggle for a pair of winnng seasons in the past decade. Hell, in the past 20 years we have had 3 winning seasons. Now, we did lose a few years to the idiot who stole the team ... but regardless, we should somehow be better than that even by accident. IIRC, 1991 was the last time we won the division. We keeo changing coaches ..... and directions ..... and schemes ....... and defenses ..... and offenses ...... and players ...... and coaches ........ and the wheel never stops spinning ..... but for us it's spinning out of control.

I hope to God that we pick a direction, choose a philosophy, and stick with it. If we do wind up having to change coaches ... well, this is what we run, and this is who the Cleveland Browns are. I am sick to death of "who" the Cleveland Browns are changing every few years. I am tired of having no clue what the people in charge are trying to build. I am sick of watching drafted players fade into obscurity within a few years ......

I hope that Holmgren comes up with a leader, and a winner .... because I am really sick of watching this team that I love flounder year after year after year after year after year after year .......




Thank you, cause you hit it right on the head for me as well. I support this team but I am growing tired of this and finding it harder and harder to watch. BTW, the owner better pay attention to the people that pay the money for his product. The Example of the Rooneys: well that owner can tell me that he doesn't care for what I think and I will take that. OH YA cause of the magic number 6. I will believe he knows what he is doing because of that number. The Browns on the other hand are losing two generations of fans now with this turn over and new direction and rebuilding and losing crap. Sorry for the long rant just my 2 cents.

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I'm trying to figure out how you arrived at that conclusion?




It was in Grossi's "Hey Tony!" column yesterday.

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Here is a thought too:

I think the Browns should look into Jim Tressell....now hear me out this is why:

1. Tressell will not demand control very much if at all. The guy has been a winner everywhere he has been.

2. Jim Tressell would allow Holmgren and Heckert to handpick his Offensive Coordinator and they would let Tressell focus on what he knows best...Defense.

3. The last time the Browns were really good, they hired a coach from Ohio State named Paul Brown....why not get history to repeat itself?

Tressell is a good coach, players rally around the guy....he would allow Holmgren and Heckert to pick the OC most likely allowing Holmgren to be pacified with the direction of the Offense....also Tressell would run a good solid D that is much more to Holmgren's liking.

in other words Holmgren could smooth a few of the rough edges for Tressell during the transistion from College to pros and I firmly believe Tressell is a very good coach....and he is a lifelong Browns fan to boot......

The Cleveland Browns could do a lot worse then pairing Tressell with a Holmgren handpicked Offensive Coordinator...and Tressell is a good gameday coach....

its just a thought, I have always thought highley of Tressell and I think the situation in Cleveland with Holmgren and Heckert in place would be PERFECT for Tressell....we could Run Holmgren's Offense with a hard-nosed Tressell Defense

one thing about Tressell is the guy knows Linebackers and Defensive Line....he has laways had pretty good D units and a lot of good Linebackers drafted out of his program

again its just a thought.




Tressel is his own offensive coordinator...

Plus him and Mangini play the exact same style of football.

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I have just been watching as things have unfolded..I was in the camp for keeping Mangini for one more year from the start of last season. I liked a lot about Mangini and what he has done here in a short time...there was also a lot that made me scratch my head. Looking back you can't help but notice his limitations as a coach. I believe his single biggest downfall was his loyalty to Daboll. Had Mangini asked Holmgren if Haskell was available to Coach and take Dabolls place, we might not be having this conversation. That and his questionable decisions down the stretch screamed a combination between desperate(onside kick) and aloof(down 14-0 on the 2 and kicking the field goal). His inability to sit Eric Wright after getting torched on a weekly basis, starting Jake Delhomme and inserting him while being injured were others off the top of my head.

At this point in time I am leaning toward Mike Mularkey. You can't help but notice what the guy has done. Atlanta has a potent offense, Ryan has quickly become one of the better QB's in the league and feared by defenses. Yeah he has Roddy White and Michael Turner and hopefully the Browns answer to that would be McCoy and a AJ Green with a backfield of Hillis and Hardesty..with some proven plays and innovation on the offensive side of the ball. He knows the division and understands the high level of play it will take to win within it. I wouldn't even care if he calls his own plays if he is capable of doing both as some Head coaches do.


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Holmgren is not going to risk his legacy at this point coaching us...a 3 or 4 year diaster here could really hurt his coaching legacy...the grimmace on his face when they asked him about coaching the Browns was all i needed to see.

i don't blame Holmgren 1 bit either considering our past here and all....its a smart move for him.

... i just don't see Holmgren doing it...not after that pres conference...not after the grimmace i seen on his face....were too far away right now and Holmgren don't want to go out like that on the end of his career.





You know, it's funny how two people can see the same thing, (in this case, a grimace), yet come away with totally different interpretations of what they saw and why it occured.

When I saw him grimace, the way I interpreted his doing so is because he already said he would not coach and gave a reasonable explanation why. Yet he was asked to again elaborate on the subject though he really wished he hadn't had to do that.

That's why the grimace in my interpretation.


When you saw him grimace you apparently interpreted that as his lack of confidence in himself as a coach that he could not turn the team around since he feels the team is in such bad shape and he did not want to stain his coaching legacy with that failure.

Even though before he finished the press conference he fully explained his reasoning for excluding himself from being a coaching candidate at the present time due to his age and the extreme hours of commitment involved, he explained that he enjoys the challenge of being a big part in turning the team around from the position he currently holds and that he'd love to be able to hire a younger man who could be here for many years, possibly leading us to a championship.

Even with all that explanation, you read his mind to such a depth, (from seeing a grimace), that you are sure, (by the grimace you saw), that he feels the team is in such bad shape that the next coach will be a failure and he doesn't want to be that guy.

If that's really the case:

1) He should never have taken the President job because if his own hand-picked coach can't turn the team around then he ends his football career a failure regardless of his past coaching success.

2) He should run out of there like his ass in on fire because it's a losing cause to even try.

Good thing he "grimaced", because by that we now know just how bad this team is and why having any hope for the future is a folly.

... unless we hire Billick. (puke).


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Plus him and Mangini play the exact same style of football.





There's a major difference in them though, one knows how to do it while the other only knows the philosophy behind it.


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I gotta say I was confused because I did not think of the post you made earlier. I really think you meant him as a coach. However, your wording was terrible which is why so many people are questing you.


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3. The last time the Browns were really good, they hired a coach from Ohio State named Paul Brown....




So they weren't any good in the 1980s when they went to 3 AFC Championship Games - 2 of which they had every chance to win?

I was wondering how long it would take for Tressell's name to come up. In short NO THANKS! He'd probably be more conservative than Mangini. So you want a guy who'd let someone else pick his OC? The college game is very different from the NFL. Just because the guy has won at Ohio State doesn't mean he'd win in the NFL.

Believe it or not, there IS college football outside of Columbus.


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Funny how Holmgren was a genius for giving Mangini another year when his detractors wanted Mangini gone. First it was because he was a low life that pushed out Mangini so he could take over as head coach. Now he is a lazy and liar because he doesn't believe Mangini was the guy to take the Browns to a championship.

I find it hard to believe what i read on here sometimes but then i remember Jonestown and those idiots that castrated themselves so the magic aliens living in the comet would pick them up as it passed earth.




Man you are remembering things differently than I do.

I mean, there was a few that would have probably thought that Holmgren was the Big Green Meany if he fired Mangini last year.. But certainly no groundswell..

I admit that I was confused last season.. I started out 2009 with some hope that maybe we have ourselves a coach finally.. About midway through I was convinced that he wasn't the answer.. I wanted him fired..

Then the team started to play well.. and of course the 4 wins to end the season.

It felt like we were moving in the right direction. So purely out of a desire to have some consistency,, I hoped that Holmgren would retain Mangini.. But I was ok with it if he decided not to..

The rest is history,,,,


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You could have stopped right there.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You could have stopped right there.




Now why would I do that? I mean, then I'd be like the media.. not telling the whole story


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So they weren't any good in the 1980s when they went to 3 AFC Championship Games - 2 of which they had every chance to win?

I was wondering how long it would take for Tressell's name to come up. In short NO THANKS! He'd probably be more conservative than Mangini. So you want a guy who'd let someone else pick his OC? The college game is very different from the NFL. Just because the guy has won at Ohio State doesn't mean he'd win in the NFL.

Believe it or not, there IS college football outside of Columbus.




But,....It's not about "college football outside of Columbus,..."

Jim Tressel does not need the ego headache of NFL players. It's bad enough he has to deal with it at the level he is. Whether he could actually coach in the NFL is some kind of hypocloid that we'll never see.

If it was in HIS cards, I would love for him to get his shot. But I don't think it would work out as well as it is for him now. Not to mention what it would do to the Buckeye program.

When we hear Jim Tressel say "I want that job" -- then I'll listen. Anything else is pure speculation.

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Reminds me of watching a basketball game game on Monday night after Mangini was fired. ESPN cut in with their little 5 seconds voice wire to announce what would be on sports center at 11.

"Mike Holmgren did not completely eliminate the possibility of a return to coaching."

Talk about reaching. Journalism at its best.

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OSU is Tressel's dream job. He would only retire. He would not go to the NFL or to another university.

And I think another poster already pointed out that we just fired Mangini. Tressel? Keep the score close, win with defense and special teams, let the other team make the mistake, conservative on offense....

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-John Collins- You're kidding me right? Where has this guy resurfaced? What is this guy doing now to help improve a team.





John Collins is the COO of the NHL.


Not a bad resurfacing IMO.


http://www.sportsfeatures.com/presspoint...speaker-line-up



As I said back when it was happening, Collins wasn't the guy we should have fired.


Collins will make some short lists when the NHL seeks a new Commish.

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Thats fine ddubia but take a long hard look at our roster. We are the "least" talented team in the entire league.

We have less talent on this current roster then the Seahawks had when Holmgren left Green bay to go to seattle.

If Holmgren right now was the age he was when he took over the Seahawks, he probably would be coaching the Browns right now. however at his current age....he doens't want to destroy his good coaching record here.....and his legacy

that would look real nice on his HOF resume wouldn't it? "Oh won a super bowl but posted a 13-28 record in cleveland to close his career" no way would Holmgren want that....

Mike Holmgren IS NOT stupid....as for setting up a man he is going to hire to fail...not true at all....He wants a young guy that can "be here to take the growing pains" for the first two years and then have a shot to win games.

At Holmgren's age....he doens't have that luxary...if he was younger..Holmgren would be on the sidelines...i fully believe he would be....however Holmgren's next coaching job WILL BE HIS LAST and he is not going to pee 2 years away and a dismal record on his resume for that...its not worth it to him.

I don't blame him 1 bit....reports are Gruden isn't intrested because we lack talent at several key positions that would make it impossible to win for at least 2 years...

the Browns are the biggest rebuilding project in the NFL in the last 30 years...we are "worse" then the terrible Packers Holmgren inherited, were worse then the awful Seahawks Holmgren inherited, we are worse then the Tampa Bucs team Dungy inherited...

this teams roster is just downright awful....we hav eno cornerstone on the DL, we have no playmakers at LB, we have npo playmakers at safety, we don't even have a #2 receiver let alone a #1...we still have questions at RB...Right guard and Right tackle is an absolute mess

its totally unfair to critize Holmgren for not wanting to coach this diaster...we have Josh Cribbs and Joe Thomas and thats pretty much it...and Thomas and Cribbs wasn't too hot this year...

Why would someone critizie Holmgren for not wanting to walk into a situation where he has no chance to win as a coach at all for at least 2 years at his age considering he only has a few years left to coach....would "you" as an NFL coach want to go out in that way? on terrible losing note?

no Holmgren is going to take a different approach and instead hire a "young guy" and tell that young guy your safe for 3 to 4 years while we draft you some players, your young enough that once we get the talent in here you will be able to improve your record.

by the time we got talent that Holmgren could win with, it would be time for him to retire with 28-30 losses tackled on to his resume...its unfair to critize him for that...that would be like criticizing Marv Levy a few years ago for refusing to coach the Bills and instead opted to be GM....he didn't want his coaching record to go out like that...i don't blame them at all

when you have worked so hard your whole career to be a good solid winning coach worthy of the hall of fame it would be stupid to throw that away on a sitation where you can't win

Holmgren is at a point where he needs to pick and choose his battles carefully when it comes to coaching, and sometimes you have to know when to hold em and when to fold him...you can't win them all sometimes, and right now Holmgren knows he can't win this one and he doesn't have the luxary of time to improve his record after 3 years of losing...a young guys does!

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I'm not too sure who we have interviewed yet but Mort and Schefter just reported the OC from the Rams is the apparent front runner to take over here in Cleveland.




NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Rams suck!

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its totally unfair to critize Holmgren for not wanting to coach...




Are you talking to me or to someone else? I've never criticized Holmgren for not wanting to coach. I don't even think I've read anyone else criticize him for not wanting to coach. To whom do you aim your comment. Or do you make up a comment so you can argue against it?!

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...we have Josh Cribbs and Joe Thomas and thats pretty much it...




I think you're letting your all or nothing show again. It happens a lot with you.


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... reports are Gruden isn't intrested because we lack talent at several key positions that would make it impossible to win for at least 2 years...




I would love to see those "reports".


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...the Browns are the biggest rebuilding project in the NFL in the last 30 years..




Exaggerate much?


Dude it would behoove you to think before you post so you don't go off on a tangent building mountains out of mole hills by taking small talking points, like Holmgren not including himself in the coaching hunt at this present time, and turning it into such as the mess you posted where you seem to have gotten so deep into the man's mind that not even he was aware he was thinking all that.


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Reminds me of watching a basketball game game on Monday night after Mangini was fired. ESPN cut in with their little 5 seconds voice wire to announce what would be on sports center at 11.

"Mike Holmgren did not completely eliminate the possibility of a return to coaching."

Talk about reaching. Journalism at its best.




Yup,,,, one of my pet peeves....


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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Rams suck!




They are a few players short, but they did improve year over year. More importantly,, look at the offensive stats.. the part that Shurmer was in charge of. Rookie QB and all.. not horrible.

One could say that the Seahawks sucked also,,,, did you see what they did to NO yesterday?


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look at the offensive stats.. the part that Shurmer was in charge of. Rookie QB and all.. not horrible.




Excellent point. A decent article by James Walker over at ESPN (I know, I know) the other day pointed out that the ability to work with and develop a young quarterback might be the deciding factor in who becomes the next head coach of the Browns.

I don't know a lot about Shurmer, but he certainly seems to have done great work with Bradford this year. That can't be anything but a plus to Holmgren & Co.


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After thinking more and more about this process and getting over my disdain for this whole process, I am thinking more and more that we see MM from Philly... Makes sense with the connection to this F.O. that MM has to Holmgren and Heckert... I think that IF we go that route and please keep in mind I am numb to whoever we put there.... I want to see us get experienced co-ordinators...

It is my theory that the success of a newly hired head coach is to get some co-ordinators that have been successful as Co-ordinators in the past but just didn't have what it takes to be successful HC's... I mean if you think about it look at the majority of the playoff teams of this year... Balt, has Cam Cameron, KC had cRAC, Atl. Has Mularky, Pitt has Lebeau, N.O had Greg Williams, Philly has Mornighway and GB has Dom Capers... Drawing a parallel that if we do end up going with a first time HC like Shurmer, for him to a better chance of success I think we must look at getting him some co-ordinators for the Defense and or Offense that have had experience/success as co-ordinators and previous HC experience and can also ease the burden of being a first time HC....

Only former HC/successful coordinators that come to mind is Mike Singletary and he also ran the 3-4 in SF and has that fire and passion to get our defense fired up and Tom Cable that has evolved from the WC Offense tree... And then the obvious OC choice I see us going with would be Jim Zorn

Apologize for the rant but must confess that as I tire of the "next big thing" as a new coach, I HOPE they atleast consider surrounding the new guy with a former HC as a coordinator as it will be yet another anchor for the new guy to rely on...

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What did Sam Bradford do this season that is in any way, shape or form impressive? The 76.5 passer rating? The 1.2 TD-INT ratio? The 6.0 YPA? 34 sacks? The third fewest passing yards of any QB who started 16 games this season, and 19th overall in yards per game? The only really positive thing Bradford did this season was his 60% on completions, but what does that say when a guy is completing that high of a percentage of his passes and still only averaging 6 yards per attempt?

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This "Head Coach Interviews" thread sucks!

Hey refs, how about deleting all the nonsense and getting it back on point? Just a thought.


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I agree 100% that the HC's success is directly correlated to how good the coordinators are (sometime the HC is a coordinator or in Billichek's case both).

In addition to Zorn, an OC that would fit the bill is Brad Childress. A west coast guy who seemed to have pretty good success in Philly - though it is unclear how much he did as OC with Reid at the helm.


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This "Head Coach Interviews" thread sucks!

Hey refs, how about deleting all the nonsense and getting it back on point? Just a thought.





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So now that the Eagles lost it shouldn't be long till Morhinweg is in for an interview.

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So now that the Eagles lost it shouldn't be long till Morhinweg is in for an interview.




It should also speed things up with an announcement. If the Eagles were still alive and MM would be the choice, odds are it wouldn't be announced until after they were eliminated. I really hope it's not him, but we might know sooner than later now.


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So now that the Eagles lost it shouldn't be long till Morhinweg is in for an interview.




It should also speed things up with an announcement. If the Eagles were still alive and MM would be the choice, odds are it wouldn't be announced until after they were eliminated. I really hope it's not him, but we might know sooner than later now.




My thoughts exactly.

Not sure who else is out there on a playoff team that we're interested in unless it's someone from Green Bay.

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So now that Philly is officially done. We bring in Marty Mornhinweg as the new HC. He has experience with both Heckert and Holmgren. Then, we bring in prize FA acquisition Michael Vick along with him.

We draft AJ Green and a change of pace RB in the 3rd/4th rounds and the offense is set.

Of course if we do that and don't make the playoffs Marty will be fired by next year, but hey it could happen!


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Completely forgot about Childress...

Think that I would rather a brand new guy like Shurmer and have him surrounded by a WCO OC that is a failed HC then go with a combo of a retread like MM...

Wish I could come up with something more credible than just the fact that I am just less than enamored with the available candidates at this point... Atleast we could know that we won't get a staff in place that is completely popping their cherry running the O or D this go around if we get some experienced coordinators... Then again does it really matter at this point?? One thing is for sure that we should get atleast 4 years out of the new guy since that is what MH is under contract for... Doubt he will hire the next coach and then admit failure by firing him before his contract is up...

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The good thing is that there are still some good offensive coordinators available. Guys like McDaniels, Childress, and other bigger names are available to set up a new head coach with a strong assistant on the offensive side of things.

As far as defensive coordinators, I'm not seeing the same quality/depth there. That's kinda scary for me. If we do wind up with an offensive minded head coach, then who do we bring in as defensive coordinator who can really take the helm of the defense and allow the head coach the ability to be the head coach?


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