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And anyone who believes that American politics aren't causing harm to the American people is a damned fool.
... and you can add "Hollywood" and "media" to those lists. But since those are mostly dominated by the "left"-side of the aisle, then they can't possibly be at fault.
...ok? nobody said anything about right or left, its the entire system.
But it seems they're doing a pretty good job. Got you riled up enough to instigate something where there is nothing.
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Maybe they'll have to put up disclaimers now ...... "The targeting device represented above is entirely symbolic in nature. The Tea Party (or other group) is targetting the person shown above for political defeat and removal from office only, and not for any physical harm. No suggestion of physical harm should be interpretted from the above images." That'll stop the whackos ..... for sure. 
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And anyone who believes that American politics aren't causing harm to the American people is a damned fool.
Cumbersome and hard to figure out taxes, deficit spending, poor management, poor international agreements, poorly run programs, failing to enforce laws such as immigration, I have NO DOUBT that American politics is causing harm to the American people.. in fact if they would stop running this country into the ground, maybe the level of vitriol would subside. 
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Obviously you miss the point entirely...
You've yet to make a single point since I've been here... I'm pretty sure I missed nothing.
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The more I watch the left politicize this without any evidence that it is a political event... the more I see the democrat sheriff use this as a platform to just spout his totally unrelated political views... the more I see the "cause" people rushing out to use this as a chance to promote their own cause... the more disgusted I have become.
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The more I watch the left politicize this without any evidence that it is a political event... the more I see the democrat sheriff use this as a platform to just spout his totally unrelated political views... the more I see the "cause" people rushing out to use this as a chance to promote their own cause... the more disgusted I have become.
I must be just missing it, but I"m not hearing a lot about it being tied to politics.. Some yeah,, but not nearly as much as you make it sound like... Fron either side..
Just talking with people on the phone today,, the subject has come up, but nothing about politics or Palin.
There is always going to be someone that doesn't have a clue spouting off, but I'm really not hearing much of it as I initially did. Then it just came to a halt when it was clear there wasn't any proof to align this guy with Palin
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I must be just missing it, but I"m not hearing a lot about it being tied to politics..
Have you, perhaps, looked at the thread you just posted in?
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Can I ask what if the sheriff were republican? would that disgust you so?
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Can I ask what if the sheriff were republican? would that disgust you so?
You asked DC but I will give you my answer, yes.
I'm about 99% sure DC would say yes as well.
Anyone who tries to use tragedies like this one for political or personal gain is morally bankrupt imo. Doesn't matter who they are.
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Anyone who tries to use tragedies like this one for political or personal gain is morally bankrupt imo. Doesn't matter who they are.
You got that right, pdawg.
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I must be just missing it, but I"m not hearing a lot about it being tied to politics..
Have you, perhaps, looked at the thread you just posted in?
yeah purp, but that's not really all that much..
besides, I'm having a hard time believing it's really politically motivated.. I think the kid is a nutbag.. I really believe it's a simple as that..
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besides, I'm having a hard time believing it's really politically motivated.. I think the kid is a nutbag.. I really believe it's a simple as that..
agreed!
I am just sad something like this happened, its a complete and utter tragedy....My prayers and heart goes out to all who have suffered because of this nonsense....I am still in disbelief about that little girl.......
its very sad stuff like this happens in this day and age....
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So, it's not as obvious as you make it sound...
Yes, it is. To people who aren't insane, it most certainly is. For you to act like you are throwing out pearls of wisdom by telling us all that we shouldn't be killing people we disagree with is funny as hell.
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I agree, it's so sad. I've decided to just turn off the news for a while. That whole story is so depressing to me.
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I must be just missing it, but I"m not hearing a lot about it being tied to politics..
Have you, perhaps, looked at the thread you just posted in?
Or things like this, that I am seeing everywhere:
Climate of Hate
By PAUL KRUGMAN
When you heard the terrible news from Arizona, were you completely surprised? Or were you, at some level, expecting something like this atrocity to happen?
Put me in the latter category. I’ve had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach ever since the final stages of the 2008 campaign. I remembered the upsurge in political hatred after Bill Clinton’s election in 1992 — an upsurge that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing. And you could see, just by watching the crowds at McCain-Palin rallies, that it was ready to happen again. The Department of Homeland Security reached the same conclusion: in April 2009 an internal report warned that right-wing extremism was on the rise, with a growing potential for violence.
Conservatives denounced that report. But there has, in fact, been a rising tide of threats and vandalism aimed at elected officials, including both Judge John Roll, who was killed Saturday, and Representative Gabrielle Giffords. One of these days, someone was bound to take it to the next level. And now someone has.
It’s true that the shooter in Arizona appears to have been mentally troubled. But that doesn’t mean that his act can or should be treated as an isolated event, having nothing to do with the national climate.
Last spring Politico.com reported on a surge in threats against members of Congress, which were already up by 300 percent. A number of the people making those threats had a history of mental illness — but something about the current state of America has been causing far more disturbed people than before to act out their illness by threatening, or actually engaging in, political violence.
And there’s not much question what has changed. As Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff responsible for dealing with the Arizona shootings, put it, it’s “the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.” The vast majority of those who listen to that toxic rhetoric stop short of actual violence, but some, inevitably, cross that line.
It’s important to be clear here about the nature of our sickness. It’s not a general lack of “civility,” the favorite term of pundits who want to wish away fundamental policy disagreements. Politeness may be a virtue, but there’s a big difference between bad manners and calls, explicit or implicit, for violence; insults aren’t the same as incitement.
The point is that there’s room in a democracy for people who ridicule and denounce those who disagree with them; there isn’t any place for eliminationist rhetoric, for suggestions that those on the other side of a debate must be removed from that debate by whatever means necessary.
And it’s the saturation of our political discourse — and especially our airwaves — with eliminationist rhetoric that lies behind the rising tide of violence.
Where’s that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let’s not make a false pretense of balance: it’s coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.
And there’s a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you’ll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won’t hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and you will.
Of course, the likes of Mr. Beck and Mr. O’Reilly are responding to popular demand. Citizens of other democracies may marvel at the American psyche, at the way efforts by mildly liberal presidents to expand health coverage are met with cries of tyranny and talk of armed resistance. Still, that’s what happens whenever a Democrat occupies the White House, and there’s a market for anyone willing to stoke that anger.
But even if hate is what many want to hear, that doesn’t excuse those who pander to that desire. They should be shunned by all decent people.
Unfortunately, that hasn’t been happening: the purveyors of hate have been treated with respect, even deference, by the G.O.P. establishment. As David Frum, the former Bush speechwriter, has put it, “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we’re discovering we work for Fox.”
So will the Arizona massacre make our discourse less toxic? It’s really up to G.O.P. leaders. Will they accept the reality of what’s happening to America, and take a stand against eliminationist rhetoric? Or will they try to dismiss the massacre as the mere act of a deranged individual, and go on as before?
If Arizona promotes some real soul-searching, it could prove a turning point. If it doesn’t, Saturday’s atrocity will be just the beginning.
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Just saw the killers mugshot and he has a big goofy smile.
I'm all for the death penalty but I'd like to see this guy suffer.
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If it is the same picture that is on Cnn.com, this dude looks like pure evil.
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And anyone who believes that American politics aren't causing harm to the American people is a damned fool.
Cumbersome and hard to figure out taxes, deficit spending, poor management, poor international agreements, poorly run programs, failing to enforce laws such as immigration, I have NO DOUBT that American politics is causing harm to the American people.. in fact if they would stop running this country into the ground, maybe the level of vitriol would subside.
Completely agree on all points. I would probably add a few to that list as well but I've got to get to work
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I must be just missing it, but I"m not hearing a lot about it being tied to politics..
Have you, perhaps, looked at the thread you just posted in?
yeah purp, but that's not really all that much..
besides, I'm having a hard time believing it's really politically motivated.. I think the kid is a nutbag.. I really believe it's a simple as that..
You don't have to go to far to understand that the shooting of the Congresswoman was political in nature. By numerous accounts Giffords was the first one targeted by the shooter. That makes it political.
The suspect had attended a similar Giffords sponsored forum prior to this one and had asked an incoherent question along the lines of "What is government if words have no meaning?" which obviously cannot be easily or quickly answered and was unhappy with Giffords response.
The suspect appears to have mental issues, and a distrust of government. So yes, he probably is a nutbag... a nutbag with a political motivation.
While there is separation of his actions versus the context of today's political environment, the fallout in terms of response is predictable, and understandable. Prior to the shooting, a worse case scenario offered by some is that some unstable individual would take action based on the rhetoric and we would have to deal with the consequences. Unfortunately, this scenario has come to pass.
Dealing with the consequences can be tough. There is a lot of denial, fingerpointing and attempts to equate the problem as being the same on both sides. But we have to deal with the fact that the gun metaphors are a bad idea. The shooting does not change the facts that the graphics and targeting for removal rhetoric was inappropriate before, as it is now, and as I stated before those who promote such concepts have to deal with the consequences of their actions, even if the association is coincidental.
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as I stated before those who promote such concepts have to deal with the consequences of their actions, even if the association is coincidental.
Does that go for everyone, and all concepts that are "not acceptable" according to you? (or the media)
Or is it just this time? "even if the association is coincidental".
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...those who promote such concepts have to deal with the consequences of their actions, even if the association is coincidental.
But this is not a consequence of their actions.
Sarah Palin is a dingbat. Her whole routine is based on inflammatory comments. And, yeah, a lot of suckers buy into the gag ... but I don't see many of them gunning down elected officials.
This is as dumb as blaming records for suicide.
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Apparently his anger with the Congresswoman predates Palin.
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There is no way to answer your queston as each persons definition of acceptable is different.
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The "consequence" to which I refer is the develpment of the "crosshairs graphic" or the "Target Giffords for Removal" campaign event by her opponent.
This is not the same as the actions of the shooter. There has been no connection made to my knowledge.
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The "consequence" to which I refer is the develpment of the "crosshairs graphic" or the "Target Giffords for Removal" campaign event by her opponent.
This is not the same as the actions of the shooter. There has been no connection made to my knowledge.
This would also apply to the Democratic national Committee map from 2004 with bulls eyes over Republican districts that they targeted.
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The "consequence" to which I refer is the develpment of the "crosshairs graphic" or the "Target Giffords for Removal" campaign event by her opponent.
I don't really see much consequence to those things ... people are morons, maybe? Then again, that also could be a factor for the cause.
If a drunk NFL fan killed a rival teams fan in a bar, would we clamor to question the violent nature of the game? Would the commentators be held under scrutiny for their word choices and insinuations?
I get that you're saying there's not a direct link between the two ... but - and I'm paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh - to even have this discussion is ludicrous.
Also ... maybe this is just me ... but as far as I saw this thing, the second details broke out, I mean in an instant, you had one flock of sheep calling out Palin and the other flock dismissing the notion and scrambling to find similar behavior from their counterparts. Immediately. Those ideas aren't logical initial reactions.
Just another thing to keep the people talking about, so long as they're not paying attention to what's going on.
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Can I ask what if the sheriff were republican? would that disgust you so?
If he was saying the kinds of things this guy said... then unequivically yes.
Blaming conservatives, blaming talk radio... His worst quote, by far, was his rant about being 70 years old, being in law enforcement for 50 years and things have changed and then adding, what I see in politics now is one group trying to fix the country and another group trying to do nothing but obstruct them... BULLCRAP. Just do your job, be the sheriff, and shut up... not to mention, he is doing one heck of a job of helping the defense plan their case, he has already laid out why the media and conservatives and the tea party are to blame for this..
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Thank you for not attacking me. It was an honest question and I agree that utilizing tragedy for political gain is sickening, regardless of political affiliation.
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Can I ask what if the sheriff were republican? would that disgust you so?
If he was saying the kinds of things this guy said... then unequivically yes.
Blaming conservatives, blaming talk radio... His worst quote, by far, was his rant about being 70 years old, being in law enforcement for 50 years and things have changed and then adding, what I see in politics now is one group trying to fix the country and another group trying to do nothing but obstruct them... BULLCRAP. Just do your job, be the sheriff, and shut up... not to mention, he is doing one heck of a job of helping the defense plan their case, he has already laid out why the media and conservatives and the tea party are to blame for this..
It's because during these events, everyone becomes an expert and they know *exactly* what influences the person creating this heinous act. Even the woman who prevented him from reloading the gun is now an "expert" and she "knows" that the shooter was influenced by the "target map."
We, as a society, need to step back and grasp on what really transpired. Enough of this "well your party did this" but "well your party did this bs." This is exactly what happens when extremism wins out. There's plenty of extremism on both sides to go around and the moderates are being hurt in the process.
What we have here was that a lunatic went out on a shooting spree and killed 6 people and injuring others. This hurts both sides of the aisle, and in the event we had a federal judge elected by a Republican die and a House member that was a Democrat get shot in the head and is hanging on for dear life(she is not out of the woods yet). Just because a judge and a politician gets shot, does not make it a reason to have a political fight about it. Both sides are at fault and Both sides are not at fault. We need to wake up and start to grow up.
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Yes, it is. To people who aren't insane, it most certainly is. For you to act like you are throwing out pearls of wisdom by telling us all that we shouldn't be killing people we disagree with is funny as hell.
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Because I pointed out something foolish you said? Nobody on this board has to go far to do that with you, and they do it all the time. Funny, you only get ticked when it's me.
I have only one thing to say to you.... 
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I feel confident in saying that these people are idiots. link Funeral pickets to be met by 'angels' Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Tucson just isn't that kind of town, says Christin Gilmer. Gilmer is talking about Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, that has made its name picketing the funerals of people who died of AIDS, gay people, soldiers and even Coretta Scott King. But when the church announced its intention to picket the funeral of a 9-year-old girl -- one of six people who died Saturday during the attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- Gilmer and others in the college town put their feet down. Tucson, said Gilmer -- who said two of the six people killed were friends -- is a "caring, loving, peaceful community." "For something like this to happen in Tucson was a really big shock to us all," she said. "Our nightmare happened when we saw Westboro Baptist Church was going to picket the funerals." They're planning an "angel action" -- with 8-by-10-foot "angel wings" worn by participants and used to shield mourners from pickets. The actions were created by Coloradan Romaine Patterson, who was shocked to find the Topeka church and its neon signs outside the 1999 funeral of Matthew Shepherd, a young gay man beaten and left on a fence to die in Laramie, Wyoming. "We want to surround them, in a nonviolent way, to say that our community is united," Gilmer said. "We're a peaceful haven." "You don't mess with Tucson," said Gilmer, 26, who described it as "a little dot of blue in a sea of red." But political persuasions don't matter, she said. Republicans, Democrats, independents, right, left and center -- they've all offered their support. Forty-two people have signed up on a Facebook page called "Build Angel Wings for the Westboro Funeral Counter-Protest and Meeting" and more than 4,500 have signed up on another page to "Show Support for the Families of the Tucson Shooting Victims." "People, businesses, they're all donating material and money to build the angel wings," said Gilmer, who is helping organize the action. And, she added, they're donating to a fund created to help pay for services for the victims of the shooting. Chelsea Cohen, a 20-year-old senior at the University of Arizona who launched the "Show Support" Facebook page, said she never expected such a response. "Once I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church was coming, I felt like something should be done to show support for the families," she said. "I don't have any experience in organizing these things. I thought I might get 50 to 100 people." Cohen said she thinks many of the 4,500 people who've signed up on the Facebook page will be there "in spirit" on Thursday, when mourners gather for the funeral of Christina Taylor Green, who was born on September 11, 2001. But she added, Tucson is an active town, and the response isn't likely to be small. "This isn't a counter-protest," she said. "We wanted it to show support for the families and to show that Tucson is there with love and support." They don't want to interfere with the funeral in any way, Cohen said. "We plan on being completely silent, and we're asking people not to bring signs or make comments about the Westboro Baptist Church," she said. The angels will be doing the same thing. "We're going to silently stand there so people can mourn the death of a 9-year-old girl who died in a senseless tragedy," Gilmer said. Cohen said several groups are planning to be at the funeral to show their support, and there is an effort afoot to bring them all together "into one group so we can all be on the same page." "I hope that everyone there can convey the peaceful message that we want to convey, she said And if the church pickets persist, the silent supporters will be on hand for the funerals of U.S. District Judge John Roll, Gabriel Zimmerman, Dorothy Morris, Dorwin Stoddard and Phyllis Schneck, the other five victims of Saturday's shooting. Giffords, who was shot in the head and is in critical condition, and 13 other people were wounded. Westboro Baptist Church, founded by its spiritual leader, Fred Phelps, and run mostly by family members, did not respond to a request for an interview in time for this article. But a flier released by the church about the picket targets the Roman Catholic Church because Christina and her family were members. "God hates Catholics!" the flier, posted on the church's "God Hates Fags" website, says. "God calls your religion 'vain,' as it's empty of His truth; you worship idols!"
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I sometimes wonder hos some people are able to get up and put their pants on by themself, given the level of intelligence (or lack thereof) that they demonstrate in other areas of their lives.
Obviously compassion never entered into their personality equation either.
I do have to wonder what makes people act like that. It can't be just for attention, because they really don't get that]/b] much attention. I just don't get it.
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I don't even know what to say. A nine year old's funeral is a place for this kind of display?
All I can think is that this group is trying to incite violence against themselves, for some kind of warped sense of martyrdom.
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Obviously you miss the point entirely...
You've yet to make a single point since I've been here... I'm pretty sure I missed nothing.
prp...the words we speak and the words we write have consequences and we are responsible for "our" words.
....this is especially true for those who have a public platform from which they speak..politicians, media, talking heads, bloggers.
prp...If you can't understand that, it's because you don't want too..
Some might prefer to continue living in a fantasy world where anything goes and no one is responsible for anything they say or do...
BUT...many Americans are taking this moment to re-examine where we are as a people, as a country...what we say...what we do...who might be influenced...what our responsibilities are...what the consequences might be.
Words can be very powerful and dangerous, that we know.
But if we take the attitude...so what if 20 people were shot...so what if 6 people were killed including a judge and a 9 yr old girl...so what?
So what if a sitting congresswoman was shot through the head and is fighting for her life?
Prp..if this is your attitude, you will learn little from this event.
You may not want to face the fact that the political rhetoric in this country is as bad or worse now than at anytime in the last 50 yrs. I have never seen any politician use a map of the USA with the following phrase at the top...
..."we've diagnosed the problem... Help us prescribe the solution."
...then using an image of a gun scope crosshairs to identify the 20 separate districts of the politicians up for re-election...
Shortly after news of the shooting broke and Giffords was named as one of the victims, those responsible for using crosshairs on the map in question, finally GOT IT...removing the map of the crosshairs that were targeting Giffords and 19 others.
If the Palin political team did not believe they may have stepped over the line with the crosshairs on the map, they would not have taken it down after learning of the attempted assassination of a congresswoman.
I don't care which political party is responsible for whatever...the political rhetoric needs to be dialed back and everyone needs to measure their words carefully.
It is ironic that 10 months ago, Giffords spoke out about the Palin website saying that there are consequences to those actions. Sadly, Giffords was right, not because she has some extraordinary powers to see into the future, but because she had common sense enough to know "right" from "wrong" and there are consequences to one's words or actions.
"Common sense"...something that seems to be in short supply of these days!
We are entering a period of reflection and re-examination as a result of this tragic event. I see that as a positive step for our country...it is long overdue, imo.
The words of every single politician (regardless of party), will be re-examined and could be made public, forcing them to take ownership and responsibility for their words...the same goes for the media and TV and radio talking heads and internet bloggers...again, long overdue.
It has been said that "words" are the most powerful weapon on earth...something to think about!
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How does this group find the money to go around the country protesting? I would think someone is helping finance them since it is such a small group. I also wonder who hires these loons. No way in hell I would give them a job?
These people are sick. Maybe we should get together thousands of people to follow them around when they aren't protesting.
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Some might prefer to continue living in a fantasy world where anything goes and no one is responsible for anything they say or do...
I feel safe in saying that prp, and all of us, believe strongly that people are responsible for the things they say and do. The difference is that I feel that the ultimate responsibility falls on the person that pulls the trigger, not the person who says things you don't like.
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Words can be very powerful and dangerous, that we know.
Good.. no, great.. examine away, reflect on the things that have been done, evaluate what politicians and those who support them are doing.. hope and pray that they change... I am all for reflection and thought.. it's when they start using this as a means to restrict the first and/or second amendment that they will get a fight from me. (am I allowed to say a fight? is that too violent?)
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It is ironic that 10 months ago, Giffords spoke out about the Palin website saying that there are consequences to those actions. Sadly, Giffords was right, not because she has some extraordinary powers to see into the future, but because she had common sense enough to know "right" from "wrong" and there are consequences to one's words or actions.
Giffords was NOT RIGHT. Until somebody proves some sort of connection between something on a Sarah Palin website and this tragedy, this is just a freakish coincidence. Right now the ONLY connection between the Palin website, talk radio, and political rhetoric and this tragedy is in your head yet you keep spouting it like its absolute truth.
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I'm not really a violent person, and I know it's exactly what they want, but I would find it very satisfying to meet their "leader" and punch him right in the nuts.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I noticed that you only mention Palin. Would you please address the following as well? If they are all bad, then you must just hate Palin, not the perceived threats. Otherwise you would have condemned them all with equal fervor.
The Democratic Leadership Council placing bullseyes on targeted Repulican districts (very similar to the Palin graphic.)
The Daily Kos graphic with bullseye targets for Republican congressional districts.
Chris Matthews fantasizing on air about seeing Rush Limbaugh shot in the head?
The Craig Kilborn Show superimposing the words "Snipers Wanted" over the face of President George W. Bush.
Nobel "Peace Prize" winner Betty Williams publicly stating her desire to murder President George W. Bush.
British film makers Gabriel Range and Simon Finch making a 2006 movie fantasizing about assassinating President George W. Bush.
Alec Baldwin urging the murder of Henry Hyde, his family, and ALL Congressional Republicans and their families on national television.....
David Guy McKay and Bradley Neil Crowder, two America-hating left-wing terrorists, were arrested by the FBI after conspiring to firebomb Republicans at the 2008 GOP Convention in Minneapolis, Minnesota. The American Media refused to report the story.
NPR commentator and ABC News reporter Nina Totenberg wishes death by AIDS on Senator Jesse Helms and/or his grandchildren.
Julianne Malveaux publicly wishes death on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
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It is ironic that 10 months ago, Giffords spoke out about the Palin website saying that there are consequences to those actions. Sadly, Giffords was right, not because she has some extraordinary powers to see into the future, but because she had common sense enough to know "right" from "wrong" and there are consequences to one's words or actions.
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Giffords was NOT RIGHT. Until somebody proves some sort of connection between something on a Sarah Palin website and this tragedy, this is just a freakish coincidence. Right now the ONLY connection between the Palin website, talk radio, and political rhetoric and this tragedy is in your head yet you keep spouting it like its absolute truth.
YT...if Palin felt she had not crossed a line of "common sense" by putting crosshairs over Giffords district...why do you think she took the website down shortly after news broke that Giffords had been shot?
Like I said, Giffords was not some mind reader, able to see into the future...Giffords had the "common sense" enough to know that there could be consequences to Palin's actions, putting a gun sight crosshair over the poetical oppositions districts.
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1/11/11
Every Sunday morning starts the same way: I go to Starbucks, pick up The New York Times and dive in.
Every Sunday morning, that is, except for the one that just passed. When I went to the coffee shop, I passed the newspaper rack without a glance. I simply couldn’t bear to look.
The day before, my wife, Susan, had rushed into our apartment, shaking and with both fists clenched. Through tears, she told me about the shootings at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’s meeting at a parking lot in Tucson, Ariz.
“So help me, God” were the first words of an outburst that included many harsh words for politicians and talk show hosts — public figures whose invective had turned politics into a rhetorical killing field. For Susan and me, the attack hit too close to home.
I woke up Sunday morning knowing that at least six good Americans in Arizona didn’t. For the first time in years, I didn’t want to absorb any more bad news. Not yet, at least. I broke my daily routine, avoiding the newsstands and Sunday news shows. I bought my coffee, checked up on my parents and sat there alone.
I’ve long since lost count of the number of town hall meetings, supermarket conversations and other personal interactions I’ve had with the voters in my district. As I sat there, I replayed almost all of them in my mind. Being close to the people, knowing them and hearing them defined who I was as a public servant.
I don’t know her, but I do know Giffords felt the same way.
Sunday morning was also a time to reflect on the rage that has gripped our political system over the past two decades. Often that anger was directed at President Barack Obama, President George W. Bush or, in my day as a congressman, President Bill Clinton. And sometimes that rage was directed toward me.
I never really understood how someone with a strong conservative voting record like mine could incur the wrath of fringe characters enraged that I wasn’t conservative enough. But I soon learned that, for some, blind hatred for government is all the motivation they need.
I also thought about what I had seen just days before on the floor of the House. As outgoing Speaker Nancy Pelosi handed over the gavel to new Speaker John Boehner, she made sure everyone appreciated the symbolism: It represented the peaceful transfer of power that makes our democracy special.
Saturday afternoon, that peace was shattered.
We don’t know yet if politics moved the gunman to action, but I do know that politics doesn’t belong anywhere near our reaction to it.
We can’t yet understand what led a domestic terrorist to try to assassinate a good congresswoman and kill so many others.
But we do know that we can’t afford to miss this warning. No one should give a free pass to talk show hosts and their political guests who have spent the past several years spreading hate speech in search of big ratings, political contributions and book sales.
As I have said for years now, such hateful words have consequences. As Giffords presciently warned less than a year ago, so does the violent imagery that has infected our politics.
This feedback loop of hate speech has created an angry environment that inspires the most troubled.
In that loop lives a talk show host who called this president a racist, another who called the last president a fascist, a congresswoman who urges her constituents to be armed and dangerous and a national figure who told her followers to “reload” against her political enemies.
Too many dismiss these extreme eruptions as crass commercial calculations. Saturday taught us that we have to hold bad political actors accountable. It is a shared responsibility. Those with the loudest megaphones have to understand the audience and the actions they risk provoking. Those on the listening end have to know that in America, philosophical differences and personal violence can never overlap.
Many of my friends fear the worst in days to come. They remember how America has endured turbulent periods when political violence became the norm.
The rage of the 1960s led to the killings of leaders like the Kennedys and Martin Luther King Jr. In the early 1980s, John Lennon, Ronald Reagan and the pope were all shot within a few months of one another. We can only pray that the Arizona massacre was an isolated incident.
But like Rep. Giffords, I remain an optimist. I believe good people on the right and left will begin to call on their political leaders and cable news cheerleaders to start showing restraint. They will ask them to actually try to talk to political opponents with whom they disagree.
More reasonable rhetoric might not land them book contracts or improve TV ratings. But I’d rather see sales suffer because we’ve erred on the side of calm and compassion than because even the most avid consumers of news awaken one day unable to bear any more heartbreaking headlines.
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