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With the hiring of Shurmur didn't look like Ryan wanted to stay.I think he wanted that HC spot himself and/or maybe felt he didn't fit in .
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It's starting to get to the point where I'm disappointed we didn't get guys I didn't want in the first place.
I laughed out loud when I read that. Funny.
I wouldn't worry, there are tons and tons of young DC and OC just sitting out there waiting for an opportunity. And we may be waiting for a coach on one the four remaining teams too.
Ultimately, winning comes down to talent. We need the guys in the front office to upgrade our WR corps, D-line, right side of the O-line, and an extra DB first. If we have the talent, it makes the OC/DC jobs that much easier.
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Time to open the pocketbook and write a blank check for Dick Jauron. We need an experienced coordinator to say "create your defense."
Don't care about the offensive side, but it is critical that we hire an experienced and good coordinator.
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disappointing that we were not able to land him. I guess he went with familiarity with Gailey.
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I'm thinking more and more every day that Holmgren should have told Shurmur, "we're keeping Ryan and his D. End of story..."
"Oh, and one more thing, you're not calling the offense."
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With the hiring of Shurmur didn't look like Ryan wanted to stay.I think he wanted that HC spot himself and/or maybe felt he didn't fit in .
Well if he was going to end up only making a lateral move and not get a HC gig, I sure wish he'd stayed.
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Hmmph.. we must be Kryptonite. No one wants to touch us. I'm starting to realize we are going to be getting a new guy who may or may not have that much experience at this level.
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It's starting to get to the point where I'm disappointed we didn't get guys I didn't want in the first place.
Hell, we're at the point where I'm disappointed that we didn't get the guys I didn't want in the 3rd, 4th or 5th place.
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It's to the point you wonder who is interviewing who. Are we interviewing them or are they interviewing us??
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It sure seems like they're coming in and going ....."Nice to meet you ....... but I don't think so ......." There have been at least 2 or 3 reported stories of coordinators supposedly accepting the job only to back out and go elsewhere ...... It sure looks like the little clown cars are circling Browns headquarters in Berea .......  Ithink back to all of the good media we got around the middle of the year when we beat teams like New England and New Orleans. Basically we beat teams with 8-10 more "impact" players than we had. I think that it's entirely possible that people around the league are looking at the situatioon and going "Wow ..... what would I have to do to be considered successful there if the job the former coaches did there with that talent wasn't consiered good enough?". Look at how fast the former assistant coaches are being snapped up. It's also been reported that Mangini has already had some feelers about jobs in both college and the NFL. That tells me that the rest of the NFL loks at the jobs the coaching staff did here with the talent they had and went "Wow, they got a lot out of very little". When I put it all together in my head, it sure looks like people just don;t want to come work for Holmgren. (or Heckert, or Shurmur, or any/all of them) Established guys look at the limits the team wants to put on them right out of the gate and say "No thanks, I can go elsewhere and have a better chance to succeed". Oh well ..... Wiley Coyote is still available ...... and he's got the full resources of the Acme company behind him ......
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There have been at least 2 or 3 reported stories of coordinators supposedly accepting the job only to back out and go elsewhere ......
YT...back up your comment above with those reports where candidates accepted the coordinators position with the Browns, then backed out.
Give us the links to those stories, where candidates accepted the coordinators job with the Browns, then changed their mind, backing out of the deal.
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There have been at least 2 or 3 reported stories of coordinators supposedly accepting the job only to back out and go elsewhere ......
It sure looks like the little clown cars are circling Browns headquarters in Berea .......
Holy cow man, you are turning into some kinda drama queen 
Talk about overreaction,,, Gheesh.. I've not read or heard one report of anyone accepting the job then backing out.. NOT ONE... Where did that come from?
As for the clown car,,,, IDK,, it remains to be seen. but it sounds like because they aren't doing it your way, you assume it's a clown car parade of sorts.
Hey,, I'm with you on the retaining Mangini thing.. I wanted him to remain. (we've talked about this a little in other threads) But it's over. You can knit pick every single move they make but let's not embellish too much.
Let it play out a little..
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If you haven't read all of the articles on the board, then I can't help you mac.
There is one on the very 1st page here about the Browns being expected to hire Musgrave. This is after the Browns were expected to hire Mike McCoy.
Team sources don't drop "expected to" casually. Reporters don't run with that type of story unless it is damn near a certainty.
We had, at the very least, 2 fall out the bottom.
Maybe if you would open your eyes to the reality around you........
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Something U need to remember..the Browns aren't going to disclose anything until they either get the entire stff intack or it's leaked out.
I have not read anything that said someone ACCEPTED the position.The media is using the word "EXPECTED".Not the Browns.
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Something U need to remember..the Browns aren't going to disclose anything until they either get the entire stff intack or it's leaked out.
I have not read anything that said someone ACCEPTED the position.The media is using the word "EXPECTED".Not the Browns.
Again, the local reporters have many sources inside the team.
That's how the news about Shurmur's hiring became common knowledge. It broke through sources, then the Browns announced it formally.
The same reporters who broke the Shurmur hire broke the OC stories. Unless their sources were just messing with them, (unlikely) then something happened that took coordinators from the "coming on board" category to "Gone" in a matter of days. (or even hours)
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Is that like the report of Holmgren replacing mangini because when he tried to find a replacement for Daboll and NO ONE was willing to work for the guy?
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Is that like the report of Holmgren replacing mangini because when he tried to find a replacement for Daboll and NO ONE was willing to work for the guy?
Nope ... because that's an imaginary story. There are links to the stories I referenced, on this board.
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If you haven't read all of the articles on the board, then I can't help you mac.
There is one on the very 1st page here about the Browns being expected to hire Musgrave. This is after the Browns were expected to hire Mike McCoy.
Team sources don't drop "expected to" casually. Reporters don't run with that type of story unless it is damn near a certainty.
We had, at the very least, 2 fall out the bottom.
Maybe if you would open your eyes to the reality around you........
ytow...show me where Musgrave accepted the Browns job as OC then back out!
...then show me where McCoy accepted the Browns job as OC then dropped out?
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I have not seen any such story...If those stories exist, could you post the links to those stories, showing that Musgrave and McCoy accepted the Browns OC job, then backed out?...
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Well mac, if you can't see the articles on the main board, then I can't help you out.
Both were reported to be the next Browns OC, and then went elsewhere. No there wasn't a press conference from the Browns, but the writers have inside sources who are, obviously, correct fairly often. For them to say that both were coming only to have them both bail is a concern to me. Maybe it doesn't matter to you. Maybe you drink the same Kool Aid for football that you do for politics.
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Maybe you misinterpret the media when they say "expected to sign". Remember, it's the media talking not the organization. Just because it looks to some media members like a done deal and they expect a signing doesn't mean that it's anything like that at all. Everybody in the media is trying scoop the other guy. If they think it's close they call it figuring to be the first to announce it. They're no different that most on here who desire, above all, to be right about something and the first to say it.
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From the other thread on Musgrave:
"Other general managers around the NFL expect the Cleveland Browns to hire Bill Musgrave shortly for their offensive coordinator job.
Several teams that are interested in Musgrave, who was the Atlanta Falcons' quarterbacks coach the previous five seasons and their assistant head coach this past year, don't believe they will have a chance to talk to him at this point. Musgrave interviewed in Cleveland on Tuesday."
Now .... teams don't get this impression by pulling it out of their butts. Obviously other teams who were interested in Musgrave were told by someone inside the Musgrave team that he was signing with Cleveland.
The it all fell apart, and he went to sign elsewhere.
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I read that before too. All it says it that they too expected him to sign here.
There's no place you are going to find anything saying, from inside our organization or from Musgraves people, that he had a freaking pen in his hand and then backed out which is the way you desperately want to make it sound. And you want it to sound that way in an effort to make our FO look like buffoons for firing Mangini.
And you want the firing of Mangini to look to the rest of the league as a monumental mistake and so for exposing themselves as such idiots no one wants to come here now.
Especially this time of year look at all the "expecting" going on that never comes true.
As mentioned before, Ryan was hired by Dallas as their 4th choice. Their first three choices either left their team, signed with someone else or stayed put where they were.
But have 2 guys walk out of here without signing and that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we're an inept organization that no one wants to be a part of.
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From the same thread ...... quoting nfl.com ...... who, of course, being the NFL's "official" website, probably know nothing .......
He interviewed for the Cleveland Browns' offensive coordinator job on Tuesday, and NFL.com reported on Wednesday morning he was expected to take that position. But Musgrave already had traveled to Minnesota and apparently accepted the job after meeting with Vikings officials on Wednesday afternoon.
If you think that he wasn't going to take the job and then backed out for some reason then you just aren't reading what's there, let alone reading at all between the lines.
He was expected, by multiple sources, to sign with us ..... and then he backed out and went elsewhere. If you think that local reporters, and national reporters, with all of their sources, didn't check and double check this before running it, you're out of your mind.
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with all of their sources, didn't check and double check this before running it, you're out of your mind.
I think your giving them way to much credit. Guy had a story to write, so he slapped one together based loosely on something he may or may not have heard.
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Reading between the lines is exactly that. Reading things that aren't there but suspected to be there. He had an interview here and he had an interview set up with Minny. He interviewed here and then went on to Minny. Exactly as planned. It's not like the only interview he had was here but after visiting us he set up a visit with Minny.
Where, other than speculation by people who have nothing to do with it and reading between the lines, does it say anything other than people who have nothing to do with it at all expected him to sign with us? Nothing more than people's best guess.
And here's a news flash, just because something's on nfl.com, the "official" site of the National Football League, doesn't mean they know any more than anyone else. I'm sure you've been reading on there for as long as it's existed just as we all have and you may have noticed that they're no more often right than anyone else.
Hell, all of them had Mangini fired the minute Holmgren signed on.
None of this is to discourage any belief you have. You certainly can choose to believe that Musgrave was a lock to sign here. But to state it as though it were a fact and then point the finger at our FO for losing him as he "backed out" is over the top.
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He interviewed here, and probably probably people in the Browns front office, his agent, his friends/family, and others who other front offices would be in touch with didn;t expect him to leave without a contract.
If you think that there's not a "good old boy" network where teams have a pretty good idea of what is happening with a player, coach, or general situation within another team, you're nuts.
Whatever .... you want to see what you want to see, so no one will be able to presuade you from your position even with the words of those who directly cover the teams, and who are generally pretty correct when they put something in print.
Can you show me the last time ... prior to this ...... that nfl.com printed something like this that wound up not coming to be? Since it obviously happens so often, can you give me a couple of examples ...... because you expect me to believe that those who cover the team flat out blew it twice .... with McCoy and with Musgrave.
I'll be waiting .. probably a very, very long time.
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If you haven't read all of the articles on the board, then I can't help you mac.
There is one on the very 1st page here about the Browns being expected to hire Musgrave. This is after the Browns were expected to hire Mike McCoy.
Team sources don't drop "expected to" casually. Reporters don't run with that type of story unless it is damn near a certainty.
We had, at the very least, 2 fall out the bottom.
Maybe if you would open your eyes to the reality around you........
ytow...show me where Musgrave accepted the Browns job as OC then back out!
...then show me where McCoy accepted the Browns job as OC then dropped out?
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I have not seen any such story...If those stories exist, could you post the links to those stories, showing that Musgrave and McCoy accepted the Browns OC job, then backed out?...
ytow...still can't produce a story that says McCoy or Musgrave accepted the Browns OC job, then backed out?
Just admit, YOU MADE IT UP !
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Maxc, you are so full of crap your eyes float in sludge.
You are hardly one to ask anyone to back up their statements given most of the garbage you have posted on these boards.... and then ran away when everyone in sight called you to prove your statements..
Anyway ..... when a candidate is "expected to be named" something, what does that mean to you? Serious question? When there is a news story, by NFL reporters, saying that someone is "expected to be named" ... what does that mean to you?
Does it mean ..... he's going somewhere else?
Does it mean ..... "Maybe"?
No, to most people with a working brain, it means that he will, unless something extraordinary happens, be named to the position.
That means that multiple reporters have spoken with multiple people close to the story, and they all felt confident enough to run the story.
Then something happened where the story changed.
Does it mean that every source that every reporter has lied to them all?
For once in your life use your head for something other than a place to store a hat. I know that's hard for you ..... but try. I mean, I can't break this down any simpler than this ... so if you still can't understand ..... then I'm sorry. Maybe I can bring in a few pre-schoolers to try and explain it to you. I know even that may be above your comprehension level ..... but try.
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Dude, you really need to take a long, hard look at what people are saying here.
Instead of the poster that people read because they'd like to hear your opinion of things, you've become the board's crazy Uncle Eddie.
You know the guy. The one people listen to then walk away shaking their heads saying, "Where does he come up with this stuff?"
These are the facts as I see them:
Mangini got fired. Looking at his performance as a whole, he deserved it in most people's eyes. Ryan was looking for a stepping stone to a HC job. He probably figured Dallas was a quicker step to that end than Cleveland just due to the national publicity they receive that we don't. Seeley left for whatever reason and the Browns did not stand in his way. While a good guy to have on your staff he's hardly irreplaceable. Wannstedt wanted to work with Gailey, an old friend of his and Jauron was Holmgren's first choice anyway. You're pissed about everything after the first sentence in this paragraph because of the first sentence in this paragraph. No other reason. Period. You can throw out whatever reasons you want for your diatribes but anyone who has taken the time to read your posts in the last 3 weeks knows the truth. It's that pesky first sentence again.
I am sure you'll eventually cool down, if only a little. But, honestly, if you're gonna spend the next year being Django2 please tell us now. It'll save us all a lot of time.
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ytow...you still have not produced one story to backup your claim above, that coordinators accepted the job with the Browns, THEN BACKED OUT, choosing to go elsewhere.
You and I know why you can't and won't produce those stories, backing up your claim that coordinators accepted the Browns job, THEN BACKED OUT, choosing to go elsewhere.
You can't produce the stories because they do not exist...YOU MADE IT UP!...and that is putting it nicely.
The fact is, Holmgren hired his #1 candidate for the DC job and for some reason, some "fans" don't like it...go figure.
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LOL. You're hardly the standard bearer for credibility and backing up statements made on these boards, mac.
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Yeah mac, I agree with Lamp, it's not a position of strength for you, I wouldn't go there.
As far as Juron vs Wannstedt, well they both sucked as HC's for the most part, I think Juron had at least one good year but as DC's, they've both been decent at least. Arguing between the two of them, seriously is there that much difference?
Even if Wannstedt was offered the job and turned it down before it was offered to Juron...
Yawn.
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Jauron is no more of a gamble than going with a young "up and coming" coordinator.
I slightly preferred Wannestedt, but Jauron has lots of NFL experience, and IMO this isn't a bad hire. It's not like he's a complete baffoon.
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