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If my memory serves me correct, we finally got ourselves an offensive-minded HC---just the type of HC you need to win in the AFC North. Looking at this divisions winners over the past decade---I am pretty sure majority of the winning organizations were headed by an offensive guru.
Go Holmgren---this guy gets it!!!!
Incorrect senor. In the last decade three count 'em three offensive guys have won a Superbowl. Three. Out of 10. Two of which won strictly based off of.... drumroll please... Defense.
The LAST thing we need is some offensive coordinator turned HC. They're likely to ignore defense which is where not only the AFCN is won but also championships.
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I've been asking people that say the same thing - who did you want that was actually available to coach? That means no Gruden, no Cowher and no Holmgren.
After you take those 3 names out of the running, there aren't many 'splashes' left out there...
After taking those 3 out of the equation, the next guy in line who I would have loved to have here? Eric Mangini. He'd be a great fit for a hard-working tough-nosed football team on the way up. We wouldn't have to completely overhaul our defense either. Give him 2-3 years with good drafts and I think we could really have something.
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http://marla.ohio.com/2011/01/ultimate-test-for-in-holmgren-we-trust/Marla Ridenour on Sports Ultimate test for ‘In Holmgren we trust’ by MARLA RIDENOUR on JANUARY 13, 2011 - 10:22 AM After a 16-6 loss to Seattle on Jan. 2 that cost the St. Louis Rams the NFC West title, Rams fans wanted to run offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur out of town. Tthey got their wish. Shurmur’s was named Browns coach today. On NFL Internet sites, Shurmur was blasted for giving star running back Steven Jackson only 11 carries (for 45 yards) against the Seahawks and using a game-plan that put too much pressure on rookie quarterback Sam Bradford, who was making his first appearance at Seattle’s Qwest Field. Bradford completed 19-of-36 for 155 yards and an interception for a 52.4 rating in a 16-6 loss. Naming Shurmur coach is the ultimate test of ‘In Holmgren We Trust.’ When it was announced Shurmur would be the first man interviewed in the coaching search, many fans believed Holmgren was merely doing a favor for a family he has been close to for years. Shurmur’s late uncle Fritz was Holmgren’s defensive coordinator in Green Bay from 1994-98. Shurmur has been instrumental in the development of Bradford and quarterback Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia. Shurmur spent 1999-2008 in Philadelphia under Holmgren’s close friend and former assistant Andy Reid. But the hiring of Shurmur reeks of the machinations of agent Bob LaMonte, who also represents Holmgren and Browns General Manager Tom Heckert. Perhaps Shurmur, 45, really is the next bright young talent in the coaching ranks. But Holmgren is going to have to convince Browns fans of that. At the moment, with only three known candidates interviewed — along with Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey and New York Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell — it appears the Browns did not conduct the all-encompassing search most expected. Some still have to believe that fired coach Eric Mangini and a totally new offensive staff might have been a better alternative. Perhaps Mangini wasn’t willing to go along with that premise. When the season ended, players expressed their undying faith that Holmgren would ”get it right,” as Holmgren said he had to. “I think we can be like (the Steelers) and I think we will,” Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas said. “When you look at a guy like Coach Holmgren, he’s a guy who knows how to put together a winning team. He’s a guy who knows how to put together a winning staff and that’s what he’s going to do and that’s what we’re going to do.” Linebacker Scott Fujita, who played for the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints in 2009, was just as optimistic. “I have complete confidence that he’s going to do everything to get this headed in the right direction — that much I know,” Fujita said of Holmgren. But Fujita added some of that feeling came from the players. “The players are the ones who step across the white lines and play on Sundays and I feel good about the men in this locker room,” Fujita said. Excuse me if I reserve judgment on Shurmur. For Holmgren, this could be a tough sell.
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I wish I knew more about the guy and could get a little more excited about the hire.
When Savage/Crennel came in, we picked up former Pats/Ravens and players who loved or had ties to Cleveland (Jurivicious, BQ, etc).
When Mangini came in he made us the Cleveland Jets and got rid of everyone who didn't want to be here.
Who are Shurmur's guys? What players are begging to play for him? Will we be the Cleveland Rams?
If I recall correctly, two seasons ago the Browns were the second from the bottom on offense above only the Rams. And last season, the Rams weren't lighting up the scoreboard either.
This hire can go either way, but let's hope we're headed for a Superbowl win.
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Some still have to believe that fired coach Eric Mangini and a totally new offensive staff might have been a better alternative. Perhaps Mangini wasn’t willing to go along with that premise.
I seriously wish these writers knew basic Google skills. Eric Mangini almost hired Shurmur as his OC in NY. He brought in Bill Callahan to run the O.L. and replace Schottenheimer if need be. He tried to hire Callahan from the Jets when he came here. Mangini has been open to running a WCO before he even knew Holmgren. He was also reportedly open to firing Daboll at the end of the season. He was willing.
Anyways about Shurmur, I kinda feel bad for this guy. We're one jaded fanbase and you've got three schools, 1: Wait and see, give him a chance, 2: Mangini should have been given time, this is BS and 3: The ones who wanted some overrated big name, this is BS, Gruden or Cowher should be here. Two outa three he has to win over that don't really like him at the moment? Harsh situation. Yeah, I do feel bad for this guy actually. He has his work cut out for him and Holmgren better hope the wins come soon or the media will be headhunting again and Lerer will be getting nervous.
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From St Louis: http://www.kmov.com/sports/Browns-hire-S...OBR+Newswire%29Browns hire Shurmur as new head coach. Why? by Doug Vaughn KMOV.com Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:42 PM Updated yesterday at 7:21 PM Congratulations to Pat Shurmur for landing the job as the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He's worked in the NFL for 23 years, so it's been a long time coming for him. It's just hard for me to believe, based on what we saw here in St. Louis, that Shurmur was a head coaching candidate at this point in time. With Shurmur as offensive coordinator the Rams were 27th, 29th and 26th in the league in total offense. Did you see anything about the Rams offense that was innovative, creative, explosive? I don't think so. The Rams have been predictable, overly conservative, and downright boring to watch on offense. You can't explain it all away by saying that they're lacking in talent. I don't buy that. They drafted and signed a quarterback for $50 million guaranteed. They've got one of the best power running backs in the game. They've spent a fortune drafting and signing free agent offensive linemen. They should be better than 26th in the league in total offense. The coaching staff has to take responsibility for that. Shurmur got the job in Cleveland largely because of his relationship with Mike Holmgren. They've worked together in the past and have the same agent. Maybe Shurmur will do a great job in Cleveland now that he's out of the shadow of the control freakish Steve Spagnuolo. Maybe Shurmur has dozens of creative plays he'll be free to use now, and make the Browns a contender again. I checked out a couple of Cleveland Browns message boards and they don't seem upset with the hire. The consensus is "give the guy a chance". I suppose that's a reasonable mentality to have. It just seems to me that you'd want somebody coming off a lot of success as a coordinator, not a guy whose teams have struggled mightily on offense the past three years. Shurmur just orchestrated one of the sorriest game plans in recent history in the Rams loss to Seattle. It didn't hurt him at all. The good old boy network continues to thrive in the NFL.
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The one really good thing that I will say about the Shurmur hire is this .....
At least everyone, from the President down to the guy who folds the players socks, is on the same page. They all share the same philosophy. They all share the same ideas as far as what a successful team looks like.
That should make it easier to put together a successful team. (in theory anyway)
Now it has to translate to the field. 8-8 should be the minimum standard for this coming year, given that we will have another influx of talent, and a much easier schedule. That will probably still be 3rd place .... but it would be the expected standard of improvement.
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The one really good thing that I will say about the Shurmur hire is this .....
At least everyone, from the President down to the guy who folds the players socks, is on the same page. They all share the same philosophy. They all share the same ideas as far as what a successful team looks like.
That should make it easier to put together a successful team. (in theory anyway)
Now it has to translate to the field. 8-8 should be the minimum standard for this coming year, given that we will have another influx of talent, and a much easier schedule. That will probably still be 3rd place .... but it would be the expected standard of improvement.
You must of gotten a good night's sleep...LOL...I agree with all of that one... 
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We brought in Holmgren to build the team. Everybody was excited.
He tried the square peg in the round hole bit last year, and it was never a comfortable fit.
Now we have the fit. Time will tell if it works.
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The one really good thing that I will say about the Shurmur hire is this .....
At least everyone, from the President down to the guy who folds the players socks, is on the same page. They all share the same philosophy. They all share the same ideas as far as what a successful team looks like.
That should make it easier to put together a successful team. (in theory anyway)
Now it has to translate to the field. 8-8 should be the minimum standard for this coming year, given that we will have another influx of talent, and a much easier schedule. That will probably still be 3rd place .... but it would be the expected standard of improvement.
If your looking for silver linings, I guess that is one.
I'll be OK with all of this IF WE WIN. IF not... I will blame Holmgren.
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And thats why the Rooney rule is there... That good old boi' relationship is why there is a lack of minority coaches in the NCAA.
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I'm all aboard the Shurmur train but I still have the "Mangini was set up to fail" thoughts in my mind.
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That good old boi' relationship is why there is a lack of minority coaches in the NCAA.
You had a minority coach. That is, he won a minority of the games he coached.
This stuff is getting hard to read. The negativity is overwhelming at times. Hopefully, you guys will get it out of your systems soon. Because let's face it, from this point forward you're either rooting for wins because you love the Browns or hoping for losses to prove your point.
I'd like to assume it will be the former with most. But with some I fear it will be the latter.
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If by "set up to fail" you mean he was given everything he wanted then you are correct in your assumption.
Otherwise the assumption is just whining. He's gone. Get over it. He has.
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If by "set up to fail" you mean he was given everything he wanted then you are correct in your assumption.
Otherwise the assumption is just whining. He's gone. Get over it. He has.
Yeah I'm sure he wanted a 35 year old QB who's 50/50 to throw an INT every time he drops back, a career backup and a rookie who wasn't supposed to play this year at QB. 
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You had a minority coach. That is, he won a minority of the games he coached.
This stuff is getting hard to read. The negativity is overwhelming at times. Hopefully, you guys will get it out of your systems soon. Because let's face it, from this point forward you're either rooting for wins because you love the Browns or hoping for losses to prove your point.
I'd like to assume it will be the former with most. But with some I fear it will be the latter.
I thought that last year w some of the posters. Even though we beat New Orleans and New England, some of the posters were mad about the "way" we won. It was a "tad" ridiculous
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j/c...
unless McCoy really steps up his game (or we bring in an above avg QB), we will still stink next season. we can argue HC until we're blue in the face...we often do. but the reality, proven time and again, is that you need a good QB or a dominant D to win consistently in this league. we don't have either.
Mangini didn't have much of a chance, and neither will Shurmur if we don't right the QB situation.
Browns fans are born with it...
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I seriously wish these writers knew basic Google skills. Eric Mangini almost hired Shurmur as his OC in NY. He brought in Bill Callahan to run the O.L. and replace Schottenheimer if need be. He tried to hire Callahan from the Jets when he came here. Mangini has been open to running a WCO before he even knew Holmgren. He was also reportedly open to firing Daboll at the end of the season. He was willing.
Anyways about Shurmur, I kinda feel bad for this guy. We're one jaded fanbase and you've got three schools, 1: Wait and see, give him a chance, 2: Mangini should have been given time, this is BS and 3: The ones who wanted some overrated big name, this is BS, Gruden or Cowher should be here. Two outa three he has to win over that don't really like him at the moment? Harsh situation. Yeah, I do feel bad for this guy actually. He has his work cut out for him and Holmgren better hope the wins come soon or the media will be headhunting again and Lerer will be getting nervous.
The upside is that he doesn't have to win over anybody.... he just has to win. Do that and the rest takes care of itself.
Supposedly, this isn't going to be another tear down and rebuild (yeah, right)... so that means we should NOT have to expect a setback year while they get themselves established, they should hit the ground running.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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unless McCoy really steps up his game (or we bring in an above avg QB), we will still stink next season. we can argue HC until we're blue in the face...we often do. but the reality, proven time and again, is that you need a good QB or a dominant D to win consistently in this league. we don't have either.
Mangini didn't have much of a chance, and neither will Shurmur if we don't right the QB situation.
Which is what many of us have been trying to say for a while (not specific to QB, however). Get the talent and the rest will suddenly look LOTS better.
I'm not completely sold on McCoy - I HATE the way his long balls and out/sideline routes float and take *forever* to get there... those are all Pick-6's waiting to happen... and if you can't make all the throws, we need someone new. Hopefully a year in the Strength program and a year of tutelage under Holmgren and Whomever will go a long way toward fixing this.
Without that fixed, however, I'm not really a believer.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Ya know Purp,, Shurmer wasn't a flashy pick as HC, but I can't really think who would have been better (that was available). Maybe with the exception of keeping Mangini and putting in a new Offensive staff. That to me would have been the smarter thing to do.
But, barring that, I guess this might be ok. The only thing encouraging is that both Pittsburgh and Baltimore did it with guys that weren't, on paper, a whole lot better than Shurmer and it worked out just fine.
But like you said about talent,, both those teams had better talent from day one for Tomlin and Harbaugh.
It's all about the talent...
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And yet, we changed coaches.... then quickly settled on the one with the most family ties.
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We brought in Holmgren to build the team. Everybody was excited.
He tried the square peg in the round hole bit last year, and it was never a comfortable fit.
Now we have the fit. Time will tell if it works.
Yes,I can't rah rah the choice,nor can I poo poo it because this is a new first time HC ..difference from the other ones we have hired,the president was a former HC who knows how to coach.
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And yet, we changed coaches.... then quickly settled on the one with the most family ties.
I know it doesn't make a good choice,, I think I made it clear what I would have preferred..
As for family ties,, He's also got good professional ties.. all those years under Reid in Philly and working with Heckert.. that's not family.. That's references.
Yeah, Fritz was his uncle and he worked for Holmgren, but really, do you think that that made all the difference? I don't. Was it part of the equation, I'm absolutly sure it was.
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Very encouraging stuff.
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He tried the square peg in the round hole bit last year, and it was never a comfortable fit.
Now we have the fit. Time will tell if it works.
Yes,I can't rah rah the choice,nor can I poo poo it because this is a new first time HC ..difference from the other ones we have hired,the president was a former HC who knows how to coach.
The upside of the upheaval must ultimately be no more excuses. The bar has been set by the team president: a year is all that is needed to win. With an upgrade in talent and a new HC on the same page as the FO, there should be marked improvement on the field that immediately translates into wins. Given the fact that many of the pieces are already in place, including the starting QB, a 7-9 season would not be unreasonable, on the way to a playoff caliber, and ultimately a championship caliber team, given the expectations Holmgren expressed for this team. SB bound in three years?
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If my memory serves me correct, we finally got ourselves an offensive-minded HC---just the type of HC you need to win in the AFC North. Looking at this divisions winners over the past decade---I am pretty sure majority of the winning organizations were headed by an offensive guru.
Go Holmgren---this guy gets it!!!!
Incorrect senor. In the last decade three count 'em three offensive guys have won a Superbowl. Three. Out of 10. Two of which won strictly based off of.... drumroll please... Defense.
The LAST thing we need is some offensive coordinator turned HC. They're likely to ignore defense which is where not only the AFCN is won but also championships.
it does not matter who the coaches are without the talent.
Would Paul Brown have won with our current talent?
Seriously !
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That would only have worked in the NFC West, but no where else.
Whether or not Shurmer is the answer, we still need some players.
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I said before Mangini was fired that new guy will have to go .500 in his first year and playoffs in his second. I'm sticking with it. If Holmgren goes into year four of his deal with no postseason appearances his seat is going to start feeling a little warm.
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And yet, we changed coaches.... then quickly settled on the one with the most family ties.
I agree..this hire will make or break Holmgren....it had better work out...
I see it like this, if we obviously couldn't get a big name coach that some fans wanted IE: Billick, Cowher, etc then really the best candidate out there for this team was...wait for it...
Perry Fewell
I really felt Fewell was a much better candidate then Shumur in the lesser known candidates section..he filled in as a HC in Buffalo and did well. Also Fewell served under Tom Coughlin in Jacksonville and now in New York...he had the pedigree.
Does the hiring of Shurmur scream of nepotism? you better believe it does....comparing Shurmur and Fewell resumes is not even a contest...Fewell wins hands down there every time...and has much more experience and draws from a much deeper variety of styles... Fewell is a "hard-nosed" coach that Cleveland Fans could identify with...they would love the guy.
however we are stuck with what we have, so we just need to make the most of it.
I support Shurmur, and hope he does well. I really hope Holmgren knows what he is doing, but no way Shurmur was the "best and most qualified" for the job..no way...Perry Fewell was more qualifed....even Mike Mularky....
this was Holmgren doing the Shurmur family a favor...will it work out? I don't know...I sure hope so! this is a big gamble on Holmgren's part, I sure hope it works out...i could careless who is coaching at this point...lets just win
if this doesn't work out, it could get very ugly for Holmgren in 2 years...if this don't work out...i see Holmgren being ran out of here on a rail...so i got my fingers crossed that this whole thing works out!
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There isn't a whole lot to be positive about.
We still have Pontbriand 
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Just checked on the Browns website, they are supposedly going to have the presser live at 11am this morning
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j/c As much as the thought of Marty Mornhinweg brought fear of overtime losses to people minds, I think he (who didn't even get interviewed) or Mike "Bunch of" Mularky would have been FAR better choices. Both have HC experience, and while not GREAT showings, you could look at where they were (Detroit, Buffalo) and say that noone has been able to do good there. And if you're going to get an OC, why not get one, from I don't know, a good offense? (yes there is a talent disparity, I know.) Pat Shurmurnator is the Coach of the Cleveland Browns, I want the Cleveland Browns to succeed, so therefore, I now want The Shurmurnator to succeed... If I didn't, then I'd just be DjangoBrown, and I just couldn't live with myself.. 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Just checked on the Browns website, they are supposedly going to have the presser live at 11am this morning
I envision everyone having warm and fuzzy feelings after the press conference, much like every press conference when a new coach is announced. (including myself)
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People are obviously upset with the hire of The Shurmurnator because he's from Michigan.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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they don't like the flash....
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