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He's 70 years old and has never been a coordinator in the NFL. I'll pass, unless it's some sort of assistant role.
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As would I.... however, I'm just pointing out avenues that may make sense for Shurmur.
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You mean our New Head Coach is bringing in his Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator? How original. 
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You mean our New Head Coach is bringing in he Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator?
How original.
Radio is saying Nolan Cromwell is a distinct possibility.
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You mean our New Head Coach is bringing in he Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator?
How original.
Did I say I had come up with the ultimate football manifesto? No. I'm adding to the conversation of who it may be and a candidate that may make sense to the coach.
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You mean our New Head Coach is bringing in he Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator?
How original.
Radio is saying Nolan Cromwell is a distinct possibility.
I've never had to google so many different peopel before... Especially against their will...
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Against their will? LOL Now that was funny.
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I'm not attacking your suggestion, because it does make sense to look at who the Rams QB coach is, but Curl already has the Assistant Head Coach title in St. Louis (over Shurmur, to boot. Isn't that fun?), so I don't know what he would gain by coming to Cleveland. If he really wanted to be a coordinator, maybe, but, again, he's 70, is working in an organization that gives him the nicety of the AHC title, and probably doesn't want to have to move yet again.
It just wouldn't make sense for either side.
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Richard Curl is a QB coach in St. Louis. I'd guess that if Shurmur is bringing his guys, he'd likely take someone he'd worked with.
Plus part of the appeal with Shurmur was his work with Bradford. Would be logical to grab bradford's qb coach as well right?
Not for it or against it...just pointing out.
Could be, but then if the Rams need a new OC (which they do) might they look at Curl as that guy?
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You mean our New Head Coach is Øringing in he Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator?
How original.
Radio is saying Nolan Cromwell is a distinct possibility.
I've never had to google so many different peopel before... Especially against their will...
Hopefully you googled Nolan Cromwell and not Oliver Cromwell because that would get some results that just don't make sense. 
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We need experience at the offensive coordinator spot. I'm sick of these guys coming in here and being a first time offensive coordinator. If there is a guy with promise that Shurmur likes, then put him on the staff and have a caretaker at OC.
But we need EXPERIENCE at OC and DC.
I want something along the lines of McDaniels and Wanny or Juron.
you had a good run Hank.
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You mean our New Head Coach is bringing in he Former QB Coach to be Offensive Coordinator?
How original.
Radio is saying Nolan Cromwell is a distinct possibility.
I've never had to google so many different peopel before... Especially against their will...
Hopefully you googled Nolan Cromwell and not Oliver Cromwell because that would get some results that just don't make sense.
Dang, I was hoping we could use his experience leading the New Model Army to lead the Cleveland Browns Army... 
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Grossi tweeted that Bill Sheridan may be a candidate for DC.
I'll puke my brains out if that happens. He failed in Pittsburgh and New York. If you fail with the personnel on those defenses then the defense here will be an absolute disaster.
EDIT: I got my wires crossed. I was thinking of Tim Lewis who failed with the Steelers and Giants.
Either way Sheridan was one and done in New York and then Perry Fewell restores the Giants' D to where it was under Spags. So Sheridan doesn't excite me at all.
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How dare you speak that name here?!
Oh wait... you said "Model"
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Will he be picking coordinators or will Holmgren?
He will be picking his own coordinators.
Holmgren is hands off concerning staff etc. Why is this so hard to understand??
The guy has said time and time again it isn't fair to the coach to strap him with decisions he doesn't make.
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Is Ryan out?
Seems like it.
Has that been announced any where?
Answer me this....I don't know the answer but I think i have a pretty good idea....How many head coaches have been fired and the new head coach kept key staff from the old team??
My answer is not many.
In reality, Our ST coach stands the best shot at being retained. Shurmer has been around 4-3 teams most of the way if i am not Mistaken.
Don't count on Ryan being around for long.
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Holmgren ran 4-3 defenses, yes?
Tom Heckert came from Andy Reid (who came from the aforementioned Mike Holmgren) and Jim Johnson, who ran 4-3 defenses.
Pat Shurmur came from the Rams and Steve Spagnuolo (who came from the aforementioned Reid, who came from the aforementioned Holmgren), who runs a 4-3 defense.
There is no reason to believe a 3-4 defense will still be in tact in 2011. It would take Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur absolutely loving Ryan, or said trio landing a huge acquisition as the DC who happens to be a 3-4 guy.
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didn't rob run the 4-3 when he was in oakland? that was when we were questioning whether he was fit to run the 3-4 when mangini first hired him.
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As a defensive guy, I think you learn all the different sets.
Heck, Rob's dad ran the 4-6 in Chicago's 85 Super Bowl run (a variant of the 4-3). I'm sure buddy taught his son's everything about every type of defense.
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I'm not sure Ryan would stay anyway. He was pretty sure he was head coaching material when he started making comments about it midseason... so for us to go get another coordinator without even giving him an interview, I'm not so sure he'd stay even if we asked him. It's not like we got Gruden or Cowher and asked Ryan to stay, we got Shurmur...
(I'm not ragging on Shurmur, he might be very good but I bet Ryan feels way too slighted to stay and work for him)...
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Now that Shurmur is the new head coach. I'd like to throw out some names of potential coordinators that Shurmur could possibly hire. What do you think?
OC: Nolan Cromwell, Darrell Bevell, Juan Castillo or Brad Childress
DC: Jim Mora Jr. or Dick Jauron (both former head coaches!)
I would have scoffed at the thought of Bevell running an offense, until Chilli got canned and Bevell got a chance to do his own stuff. Chilli was the problem with the vikes conservative offense. All of those toys to play with, very unimaginative. I think Bevell might be a really good option. Childress, not so much.
What is Mora Jr. doing these days. I lost track of him after one and done in Seattle. I think he would be a great hire, with some good experience as a head coach to help Shurmur. Same with Dick Jauron- i don't think you could go wrong with either guy.
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I like Mora.. He gets his players to play pretty well.
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Ryan as head coach of the.... Raiders.
You heard it here first (I think).
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I would check your guesses against a list of Bob Lamontes clients. Holmgren didn't cast a wide net for his coaching search. He selected one of Bob's clients. I hope I am wrong and the Browns actually pick the best candidates but I have a feeling Bob will be the agent for all.
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I would check your guesses against a list of Bob Lamontes clients. Holmgren didn't cast a wide net for his coaching search. He selected one of Bob's clients. I hope I am wrong and the Browns actually pick the best candidates but I have a feeling Bob will be the agent for all.
I find this line of thinking assinine.
Homgren is an intelligent , experienced man, who was given the reigns of an NFL team. Yet people still believe that his agent is pulling the strings 
Do you actually think that Holmgren rose to the status he has in the league using nepotism, and stroking his agents ego?
IMO Lamonte must be one hell of an agent, because if you look at his clients, he seems to have the best available.
To me using this "agent" conspiracy is hilarious and smacks of conspiracy agendas. I guess Holmgren would only draft Lamonte represented players.
What a joke this whole "agent" crap is. I guess some people always believe there is a conspiracy in everything .
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how about Ralph Nunn for DC? he was the Giants DL coach this past year...and was in TB before
or Mike Waufle?...he was the giants DL coach before that including the 2007 year that they were incredible
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I sure hope they don't get rid of Brian Daboll as OC.
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On this Video: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_name_pat_shur.htmlTony Grossi states that Shurmur will call his own plays. So with our Head coach calling his own plays we probably don't need a big time OC. Seriously if you were a renowned OC would you give up your biggest responsibility (calling plays) to come to Cleveland? I know I wouldn't. So with Shurmur calling his own plays I doubt we get a known guy. My guess we just grab some guy he worked with in St. Louis or Philidephia. As for defense who knows. I hope we stick with the 3-4 because I think its a better defense as its easier to confuse QBs, As long as we don't go with a tampa 2 I think i will be somewhat happy. We finally have a NT and it seems we won't be running the 3-4 anymore. I figure we end up drafting a WR (Green) or DT (Fairly or Dareus).
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Just one ring during my lifetime would be plenty for me.. lol.
Thank you! And I agree. One Lombardi Trophy in my life time would be great having been a Browns fans since 1957 (the year I was born). I was going to put, "I want one of these..." but I figured I catch more heat over asking for just one.
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Heck yeah you would. In the words of Leborn I want to win 8 Championships in 6 years
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interesting...
calling his own plays? thats pretty ambitious...it works for Andy Reid and Bill Belichick...but thats kinda rare. I hope he knows what hes doing
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Well it used to work for Reid. Marty Mornhinweg has called plays for him the last few years.
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Grossi tweeted that Bill Sheridan may be a candidate for DC.
I'll puke my brains out if that happens. He failed in Pittsburgh and New York. If you fail with the personnel on those defenses then the defense here will be an absolute disaster.
EDIT: I got my wires crossed. I was thinking of Tim Lewis who failed with the Steelers and Giants.
Either way Sheridan was one and done in New York and then Perry Fewell restores the Giants' D to where it was under Spags. So Sheridan doesn't excite me at all.
Where is your support for the new coach? You got what you wanted. Now live with it. Isn't that what you are telling others?
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calling his own plays? thats pretty ambitious...it works for Andy Reid and Bill Belichick...but thats kinda rare. I hope he knows what hes doing
It's usually standard procedure for WCO OC-turned-HC's.
And Pdawg: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Shurmur needs a proven coordinator on the defensive side of the football. Bill Sheridan took what Spags built and drove it into the ground. Fewell brought them back up to near Spags status.
Sheridan would be an epic disaster.
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My point is that you are telling people (in a not so nice way) that they shouldn't be complaining about the new coach MH hired. Shouldn't the same be said for the coordinators we hire? I assume MH is going to be a big part of hiring the asst. coaches.
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Tony Grossi states that Shurmur will call his own plays. So with our Head coach calling his own plays we probably don't need a big time OC. Seriously if you were a renowned OC would you give up your biggest responsibility (calling plays) to come to Cleveland? I know I wouldn't. So with Shurmur calling his own plays I doubt we get a known guy. My guess we just grab some guy he worked with in St. Louis or Philidephia.
Welcome to the disaster that will be the Cleveland Browns ...... 
Didn't this guy learn anything from coaches like the aforementioned Mornehweg, or God only knows how many other coordinators who tried being their own offensive coordinators .... only to bomb as a head coach?
Oh well .... unless he bucks the odds, we're in day one of the period between now and our next rebuild.
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This seems to be some good news... NFL.com Quote:
Another coach with Holmgren ties -- Dick Jauron -- also is being considered for the Browns' defensive coordinator position, a league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora. Rob Ryan no longer is in the Browns' plans and will interview with the Dallas Cowboys about their defensive coordinator job.
Jauron, who was Holmgren's defensive backs coach in Green Bay in the early 1990s, also brings considerable head-coaching experience, going 60-82 in 10 seasons with the Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions (on an interim basis) and Buffalo Bills. He would provide Shurmur with a strong infrastructure.
Also, Ryan and Daboll have both been interviewed or will interview for coordinator positions with other teams. I think it's pretty likely that they are both gone if the team is letting them interview for positions that are lateral moves.
I'm sure we will find out more about the the current and future assistants at tomorrow's press conference.
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