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hmmmmmmm.......

"There is a good chance two former Bears head coaches will be running the defense in Cleveland. Dick Jauron is the favorite to be named defensive coordinator if Andy Reid does not promote him to the position in Philly, and Dave Wannstedt could join the Browns, perhaps as an assistant head coach".

There's a twist for ya'...lol...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-6364.html

I don't want to be the guy that says "Until we get more talent on either side, it doesn't matter who our Coordinators are."

But.

Until we get more talent on either side, it doesn't matter who our Coordinators are.

It matters more than most think. You need coaches that can develop the young talent they are given and coaches that can motivate veterans. In the age of parity coaching has never been more of an emphasis.

You might be right .. but look what Martz did for the bears compared to last year and this year ... I think good players always make the job easier for a coordinator, but if you can find a guy who doesn't make excuses and finds a way to win, imagine what he can do with a few more (successful) drafts.

Posted Jan. 17, 2011 @ 4:48 p.m. ET
By PFW staff

It did not take long for Sean McDermott to find a new home.

Just a couple days after being fired by the Eagles, McDermott will be the new defensive coordinator for the Panthers, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.

lol.. they jumped on that didn't they?

good point. otherwise, j/c...

anybody else worried about the time its taking to hire coordinators? Don't the coordinators usually pop right up after the head coach is named? Do people not want to OC for this guy or do i not remember this right? (You'd think after so many head coaches I'd have this down by now.)

Just be thankful you're not a Raider fan.

They don't even have a coach.

I think this is normal. Most of the teams that have new coaches haven't hired both an OC and DC yet.

The Eagles want Jim Mora Jr.

A young man that played high school ball with my son and is now a lineman at Pitt absolutely loved Dave Wannstedt. Said he was a great motivator and definitely a players coach.

As we have so painfully seen not all succesful coordinators make good or even decent head coaches.

DW has such a diverse background in the pros and at the college level that he really intrigues me. i wouldnt whine if ended up our new DC.

...but it's so much more fun to imagine boogeymen everywhere....

This was brought up in the Wannstache thread, but I thought it should be here. . .

http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/01/18/sports/nh3538796.txt

Jim Zorn could be in line for Browns' offensive coordinator job

Published: Tuesday, January 18, 2011

By Jeff Schudel
JSchudel@News-Herald.com

Jim Zorn, currently the quarterbacks coach of the Baltimore Ravens, could be the Browns' next offensive coordinator, according to league sources.

Zorn was the quarterbacks coach under Browns president Mike Holmgren in Seattle from 2001-2007 when Holmgren was the Seahawks' head coach. Zorn helped develop Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck in the West Coast offense. It is the same offense new Browns coach Pat Shurmur will run.

Shurmur plans to call plays initially, he said at his introductory news conference. Zorn would be able to take over eventually and in the meantime tutor Colt McCoy as the offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach.

Zorn was hired as the Redskins' offensive coordinator in January 2008. A month later, impulsive Redskins owner Dan Snyder named Zorn head coach. Zorn was 12-20 in two seasons.

Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt, both former head coaches in the NFL, top the list of coaches who might be named defensive coordinator on Shurmur's staff.

Both are expected to interview with the Browns this week.

Wannstedt's name surfaced before the 2010 regular season ended for the Browns with four straight losses.

Jauron, the Eagles' secondary coach in 2010, became an immediate candidate with the hiring of Shurmur last week. Shurmur was an assistant coach in Philadelphia for 10 years before moving to St. Louis as the Rams' offensive coordinator in 2009. Shurmur and Jauron did not coach together in Philadelphia, but both coached under Eagles coach Andy Reid.

Jauron, 60, could decide to stay in Philadelphia. He is a candidate to replace Sean McDermott as the Eagles' defensive coordinator. McDermott was fired last week.

Jauron's coaching career included stints as head coach of the Bears, Lions and Bills. Wannstedt, 58, was head coach at Pitt the last six years. He is a candidate to become the Bills' defensive coordinator. He was head coach of the Bears from 1993-1998 (41-57) and Dolphins from 2000 to mid-2004 (43-33).

Mary Kay Cabot is reporting Zorn is not a candidate for our OC job. I'm looking for a link.

Darn you, Florio!!!

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Musgrave, meanwhile, is also interviewing with the Browns and Vikings over next the next two days for their offensive coordinator jobs, and Bevell could still end up remaining in Minnesota.

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Pro Football Talk

Bill Musgrave

* Oakland Raiders (1997)
(Offensive Assistant)
* Philadelphia Eagles (1998)
(Offensive Assistant)
* Carolina Panthers (1999)
(Quarterbacks Coach)
* Carolina Panthers (2000)
(Offensive Coordinator)
* University of Virginia (2001–2002)
(Off. Coord./Quarterbacks/Tight Ends Coach)
* Jacksonville Jaguars (2003)
(Offensive Coordinator)
* Jacksonville Jaguars (2004)
(Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach)
* Washington Redskins (2005)
(Quarterbacks Coach)
* Atlanta Falcons (2006–2009)
(Quarterbacks Coach)
* Atlanta Falcons (2010–present)
(Assistant Head Coach/Quarterbacks Coach)

I wouldn't mind Bill Musgrave. I would have preferred McCoy, but Musgrave is better than Zorn.

Again though, like McCoy, I can't see him coming in here and not call plays.

Why be the guy to do the grunt work of putting together the gameplan and not get the payoff of calling plays?

Sheesh, guy gets around.

May be ok considering Shurmur's calling the plays? Who knows? This situation is making it so none of the candidates are really getting me excited . . . .

I don't know anything about the guy, but that looks like a solid resume'.

Every move has been lateral or upward. He's been thought of well enough to be given the Asst. Head Coach title as the QB Coach for arguably one of the best young QB's in the league right now.
More importantly, they obviously gave him that title after having proved himself in that position for a few seasons.

I would want to look at the offensive performances of the '00 Panthers and the '03 & '04 Jaguars when he was the OC before I'd be sold, however. Did he lose those gigs because of his performance, or was it because of the normal shakeup that comes with a Head Coaching change?

Just clicking

Someone wake me when the decisions are made.. it's getting crazy just trying to keep up

No kidding....even with the known favorites. It's like Juraun and McCoy were shoe-ins, then not, then Wannstedt, now Juraun's back in the mix, then Zorn, then not, then Zorn again.

Browns reportedly interviewing Wannstedt, Jauron for DC

The Cleveland Browns will interview veteran NFL coaches and defensive coordinators Dave Wannstedt and Dick Jauron this week, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported, citing a league source.

The newspaper also reported, citing sources, via Twitter on Tuesday that the Browns are considering former Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn, the Baltimore Raven's quarterbacks coach this past season, and St. Louis Rams receivers coach Nolan Cromwell as offensive coordinators.

Wannstedt was a head coach for 11 seasons with the Chicago Bears and Miami Dolphins, compiling an 82-87 record. He was a defensive coordinator for Jimmy Johnson with the Dallas Cowboys and the Dolphins.

Wannstedt recently was fired as head coach at the University of Pittsburgh. He also has interviewed with the Buffalo Bills, who are coached by one of his former Dolphins offensive coordinators, Chan Gailey.

Jauron has been a head coach for the Bears, Bills and Detroit Lions, going 60-82. He also was a defensive coordinator for the Lions and Jacksonville Jaguars.

Jauron spent the past season as a secondary coach and senior assistant for the Philadelphia Eagles, for whom he's also a candidate for their defensive coordinator job.


Link

j/c

I've been out of the loop for a bit....Does anyone have a list of who the mentioned candidates are for our coordinator spots?

OC - Zorn, Musgrave

DC - Jauron, Wannstedt

I would interested in Jeremy Bates, who was just fired by the Seahawks, as a QB coach.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_will_intervie_4.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns will interview Eagles senior assistant and secondary coach Dick Jauron for their defensive coordinator position today and tomorrow, a league source told the Plain Dealer.

Jauron, former coach of the Bears and Bills, is one of two former NFL head coaches and coordinators to interview for the job this week. The other is former Bears and Dolphins coach Dave Wannstedt.

Jauron is also candidate for the Eagles' coordinator job, along with Jim L. Mora and former Rams coordinator Bill Davis. Jauron might also draw interest from other teams.

On the offensive side, two assistants with ties to either head coach Pat Shurmur or Browns President Mike Holmgren or both -- Ravens' quarterbacks Jim Zorn and Rams receivers Nolan Cromwell, are not Browns coordinator candidates at this time, a league source said.

Yeah, and then we could hire Singletary as our DC. We could model our team after the NFC west.

I know your joking, but would just like to point out that the Vikings hired Singletary as linebackers coach.

They closed the other thread so here's what I wrote in reply to one of your questions in that one:

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What is it that you like about Shurmur? (Other than the fact that he was picked by Holmgren) What in his past do you find as a compelling reason to see him as a symbol of hope that he is indeed the coach to take us to the Super Bowl?

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You won't like this but simply put: I'm willing to trust the H&H boys to pick our new coaching staff. Their experience leads me to the conclusion that, while you don't like him, our new HC is the man they feel can lead us towards the promised land.

Do I know that he will take us to the SB? Nope. Hell, only 2 teams a year go and only one wins. To demand a guarantee that we'll be there in a year or two borders on insanity and certainly is unrealistic. Doesn't mean we can't strive for it though.

Actually, I think I have something that you don't. Hope. And also a feeling that, perhaps for the first time since 1999, we're actually in good hands.

Just because the FO makes a mistake or two occasionally doesn't send me off the deep end as it seems to have done to you, OldCold and others. Last year I thought MH made a mistake keeping Mangini. But as I told several people I was willing to let things play out because I was sure that the guys in Berea knew more than I did about what was the best thing for the team

Sure, I voiced my objections occasionally as we all have in the past about various coaches. But I never took the stance that seems to be your mantra, "My guy is gone so the new guy can't possibly be as good (or God forbid, better)."

I also know that should I be wrong about all of this it won't send me into a rant as it has done with some on here. I'll just take a deep breath, have a beer and wait for the (next) new season to start.

Hopefully, I'm not wrong.

Even if someone doesn't believe in the individual parts, I believe one direction is the proper formula for success. As long as the formula stays the same, you can change parts and never skip a beat.

Fair enough Crazy, you have a good solid reason for why you have confidence this all will work out. I can't argue with your point because it is valid.

my ONLY concern with this whole thing is this:

Even though I thought Eric Mangini deserved more time, there is nothing we can do about that. I also think Shurmur "in time" could prove to be a good hire. The guy is unproven and he has "everything to prove". That is good because it will motivate the guy to do well. He has a good of a shot as anyone if he is given "time".


TIME however is the problem. Cleveland fans as a whole have become extremely impatient. furthermore, Lerner does not have a solid history of sticking with any sort of plan long enough to see if its going to work out.

wins and losses is not the ONLY sign of improvement. Eric Mangini was "setting a base here" with this team. It was finally beginning to take hold...i fully believe that we would have begun adding those players with "swagger" this coming offseason had we stayed the course. We had enough veteran guys in the lockeroom that believed in Eric's system that it would have worked out.

I have no reason to believe the Cleveland Fan base of the media will give Shurmur and Holmgren enough time to actually finish....if Shurmur has a bad year next year, the heat will be on...if we don't do as well the following year, i can see Lerner pulling the plug due to pressure from the media to keep the seats full...even if it is mike Holmgren, NO ONE is safe from Lerner.

Lerner is the same man who gave Crennell and Savage and extension after a 10 win season and fired them the following year....thats not good business....yes we had a downseason in 2008...however that is NOT unexpected...we had a young team that was still growing...Lerner pulled the plug too soon, and we pulled the plug too soon again.

I fully believe that if Shurmur and Holmgren do not have a playoff birth by their 2nd season....their seats will be extremly hot and the pressure will be on....thats my biggest concern.

Lerner didn't like it when Scott Pioli was honest with him and told him he needed at least 4 or 5 years to field a competitive team because our roster just wasn't very good.

I am just not sure the Cleveland Media or the fans will give Holmgren and Shurmur enough time to actually build anything.....the media still cried for Mangini to be fired after Holmgren decided to keep him. We didn't give Mangini enough time...he was just getting to the halfway point....i fully believe that had we "stayed the course" and added a few more pieces that Mangini would have fielded a 10 win ball club next year....we were much closer to turning the corner "long term" then many realize.

Mangini was building for "longterm success" not a short fix...this will be another rebuild...and that takes time and my concern is Lerner and the Browns do not have a history of sticking with any coach or program long enough to see it actually turn into something....

in 2 years or less if we aren't winning (its hard to win in a rebuild like we will be doing) the fans and media will be clamoring for a head, perhaps two....

I am just saying that with Shurmur we need to stay the course and give the guy a chance, but im not sure the media or most of the fans will do that during yet another rebuild and this will be another rebuild we don;t finish...as Holmgren's seat gets hot in year 3 if we haven't made the PO yet or close and things come to another in the long line of Browns crashing halts.

Lerner's biggest failing is not sticking with any plan long enough to let it grow...a 10 win season should have granted Romeo another 2 years....if it didn't work out after 2 years then move on...but he showed enough progress in 2007 to merit at least until the end of the 2009 season....you have to be "fair" about things is my point.

we had a lot of injuries in 2008, and our Ol was banged up most of the year, Lewis wasn't the same, etc...perhaps if we had stuck with RAC, brought in a real RB, another OL and added on D...romeo would perhaps still be here....there are two sides to every coin.

I am just saying we need to give Shurmur enough time, but im not confident Shurmur will get the 3-4 years needed to complete this rebuild....Mangini didn't, and Holmgren is not immune to being fired either...if Lerner gets rubbed the wrong way or feels he isn't getting enough for the money he spent...

Lerner worries me big time...he is the person i see pulling the plug on this whole thing if it don't get the results he expects two years from now and the media and fans screaming for a head like he has always done in the past...that is my concern...