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What is this team going to do when Joe Thomas says to himself, "I'm the best left tackle in the game, why am I wasting away on such lousy teams?" and bolts in free agency? If you don't think that this is a very real possibility you're fooling yourself. He doesn't owe the team or the city anything, and they can't just slap the franchise tag on him year after year.
Yeah they can. The Rams tagged Orlando Pace 2-3 years in a row before they finally worked out a long term deal.
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You don't trade it for Fitzgerald for a couple reasons. 1st I don't think Fitz would want to be here right now so no way he signs a long term contract with us so we would lose him in a year or 2 or else we would have to keep franchising him which would kill us from a salary cap perspective. Which brings me to the second reason. He is much more expensive (presuming there is a rookie salary cap). Plus we all saw how effective Fitz can be with a crappy Qb.
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Regarding our Oline, they're good at the moment, but everyone but JT and Mack are 30+ years old. What is this team going to do when Joe Thomas says to himself, "I'm the best left tackle in the game, why am I wasting away on such lousy teams?" and bolts in free agency? If you don't think that this is a very real possibility you're fooling yourself. He doesn't owe the team or the city anything, and they can't just slap the franchise tag on him year after year.
I always assumed he'd end up in Green Bay.
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You don't trade it for Fitzgerald for a couple reasons. 1st I don't think Fitz would want to be here right now so no way he signs a long term contract with us so we would lose him in a year or 2 or else we would have to keep franchising him which would kill us from a salary cap perspective. Which brings me to the second reason. He is much more expensive (presuming there is a rookie salary cap). Plus we all saw how effective Fitz can be with a crappy Qb.
So I take it, you're no fan of McCoy. 
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What is this team going to do when Joe Thomas says to himself, "I'm the best left tackle in the game, why am I wasting away on such lousy teams?" and bolts in free agency? If you don't think that this is a very real possibility you're fooling yourself. He doesn't owe the team or the city anything, and they can't just slap the franchise tag on him year after year.
Yeah they can. The Rams tagged Orlando Pace 2-3 years in a row before they finally worked out a long term deal.
I know that technically can be done, but if he (or any player, for that matter) is motivated to get out then a big enough stink will be made that the team's hand will be forced.
Orlando Pace won a Super Bowl his third year in, and played for a team that went 37-11 over a three-year stretch, with a two-time MVP QB to boot. He had little reason to want out.
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I'm pretty sure the players union wants the whole Franchise Tag done away with, if not completely, then you probably won't be allowed to just continually put it on one player...
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I'm pretty sure the players union wants the whole Franchise Tag done away with, if not completely, then you probably won't be allowed to just continually put it on one player...
There are already stipulations that provide for that, but it requires the player to show that they are serious about it by not signing their Tender. If they do not sign their Tendered offer by a certain week, then the team loses their right to tag the player again. For the player, this effectively means sitting out the season.
I believe that the current rules - as of the last CBA extension - also prohibit a player being tagged more than two years in a row.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I'm pretty sure the players union wants the whole Franchise Tag done away with, if not completely, then you probably won't be allowed to just continually put it on one player...
The Franchise Tag must stay. It absolutely must.
I wish the NBA had it right now with the way those clowns are dictating where they want to go.
I want to bring up the question again: how much better is the Browns offense with 2 legit receiving threats...rookie QB and all?
With the way Holmgren and Heckert subtly hint their mancrush for Colt...I have to imagine it would be leaps and bounds better...and the record would improve based on that.
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Yeah, the players hate the franchise tag.
Forgetting about the tag for a minute, the underlying issue is that some are citing building from the inside out as the way to go and pointing to our above-average Oline as evidence that we're doing just that. So what happens when we start adding the periphery (WRs, etc) and the foundation of our interior decides he's fed up and leaves? You wind up in much the same position as if you'd never built the line in the first place, it seems, to me at least.
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I want to bring up the question again: how much better is the Browns offense with 2 legit receiving threats...rookie QB and all?
Dramatically.
If the two additions were a big time #1 threat and a Joe Jureviscious type, it'd have been insanely fun to watch this year... and Hillis would still be running people over because he'd have some room to wiggle as teams would have to actually respect our passing game.
Of course, St. Clair would still be hampering us, but we'd still be MUCH better.
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The Browns were a better team with Braylon and K2. Get those guys in the draft.
Detroit selected a WR in the first round for about 12 years in a row (slight exaggeration)... I remember a few years ago, certain posters on here claiming that Calvin Johnson was a game changer that we would be stupid to pass on. The posters were certain that a WR of his talent would make the Browns offense a juggernaut.
We need to draft some young guys that can do the job.
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I remember a few years ago, certain posters on here claiming that Calvin Johnson was a game changer that we would be stupid to pass on. The posters were certain that a WR of his talent would make the Browns offense a juggernaut.
Calvin Johnson is a game changer, could you imagine Calvin Johnson on the Steelers or Patriots? .. but no one person makes an entire offense a juggernaut.
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I remember a few years ago, certain posters on here claiming that Calvin Johnson was a game changer that we would be stupid to pass on. The posters were certain that a WR of his talent would make the Browns offense a juggernaut.
Calvin Johnson is a game changer, could you imagine Calvin Johnson on the Steelers or Patriots? .. but no one person makes an entire offense a juggernaut.
If the Patriots had Megatron, they'd be better than they were in 2007. IMO losing Randy Moss, they lost any deep threat and dinking and dunking it only works for so long...
And by "Losing Randy Moss" I don't mean just getting rid of him, I mean, his play declining and Losing what he was in 2007 and before.
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Speaking of the Pats...I can totally see them selling out and getting Vincent Jackson so Angry Belichick can go Angry on the rest of the NFL for the playoff tragedy yesterday.
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Not meant to be a disparaging remark against McCoy. But let's face it. No matter how much we like him and want him to become the next great Qb, he is still a rookie who played what 6 games and still has significant question marks about him.
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Maybe it has something to do with the QB?
Kind of helps having an Aaron Rodgers or a Big ben.
'cept in Seattle's game, Matt Hasselbeck was throwing accurately, but no one could catch the ball for him. Same for Flacco in Baltimore's game. If either Boldin or Housh had been able to hold on to the damn ball, they'd have beaten Pitt.
As for irony, B. Edwards was playing out of his mind.
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The Browns were a better team with Braylon and K2. Get those guys in the draft.
As I was watching Edwards take apart the Pats, I thought of all the comments (on this board) about poor Mangini who had no talent to work with and I thought, hmmm, wasn't Edwards a Brown.
If only McCoy had Edwards to throw to this year ...
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Not meant to be a disparaging remark against McCoy. But let's face it. No matter how much we like him and want him to become the next great Qb, he is still a rookie who played what 6 games and still has significant question marks about him.
Not railing on the guy either, I want him to succeed. Out of the eight games he started, he showed a lot of fine qualities in his games against NE & Cincy, but he was less than stellar in the final two games against the rats & pit. As you say, there are significant question marks regarding his ability to ultimately lead the team to the promised land. I fully expect to draft another late round QB this year.
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The Browns were a better team with Braylon and K2. Get those guys in the draft.
As I was watching Edwards take apart the Pats, I thought of all the comments (on this board) about poor Mangini who had no talent to work with and I thought, hmmm, wasn't Edwards a Brown.
If only McCoy had Edwards to throw to this year ...
Yes, because one WR that didn't want to be on this team would of solved anything...
Edwards is talented, yes, regardless of how many people want to say he sucks because he's a dbag who occasionally drops passes. He is talented.
But I still don't want HIM on my team.
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j/c... what's with all the respect for Edwards? He caught 2 passes yesterday. He broke 2 tackles. Is that really beating the Pats up and down the field? Cotchery was the one playing like a man, and Holmes had the best catch of the game.
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The catch Edwards made against the side of his helmet was sheer luck. Sanchez did a great job of pointing him open then throwing to a spot where Edwards could go get it. Edwards failed to adjust to the ball to a point where he could catch it with his hands and was lucky enough to trap it against the side of his helmet.. the way that played out, all things considered, he drops that ball 8 out of 10 times because he failed to adjust.
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The catch Edwards made against the side of his helmet was sheer luck.
 Year after year it doesnt matter what your eyes will see, You beleive what you want to beleive.
I'll tell you what I beleive, BE was the Best receiver the Browns had since Kevin Johnson, maybe since Michael Jackson, and I could definetly see BE could get the catches against the Best defenses, ... like Earl Bruce said, If a dog's gonna bite, he's gonna bite as a pup. It Means if a player can play at this level, he's gonna do it from the start.
Another thing I beleive.
The Browns only twice in I think the last 25 years have when they drafted with their first pick, picked the first player at an offensive skilled position, ( Ok I'm leaving out Couch, or the QB position) ( alright Winslow, but TE doesn't count)
They picked the First player WR taken in the draft when they took Edwards.
They picked the First RB takesn when they took William Green.
Both of those players had Decent success in Cleveland, and the offense did benefit.
The Browns did not commit to them beyond 5 years of their career.
NOW take a look at the BEST players in the ENTIRE N.F.L. TODAY and ANY YEAR , and most of them , almost all of them are
BEYOND 5 years in the League, and have their best years BEYOND 5 years in the LEAGUE!
Just Think if the 94 Browns had been able to stay together, and we could have watched the careers of Michael Jackson, and Keenan McCardell in a Browns Uniform, not a Ravens or Chargers uniform.
EVER SINCE FREE AGENCY THE BROWNS HAVE MESSED UP THE FOUMULA!
Isn't it about time they start paying attention to what the GOOD TEAMS DO?
On That, I recommend this formula STOP ENSURING YOU WILL LOSE NEXT YEAR WITH WHAT YOU DO FROM JANUARY THROUGH AUGUST!
This Formula
Sign 3 or Fewer Free Agents, Unless they are already a member of your team, and be particular to only sign Free Agents that are going to compete on the top level of your team.
Make the most of your draft picks, realizing you are only going to hit on 50% at best.
Keep the Core of your team together so they can build an identity that others around the league will come to respect.
Be innovative in the way you play football.
Ok ok ok, Whole new point?
NO body on THIS BOARD would DARE say they just need to NEGLECT the defensive backs like they are willing to neglect the offensive skilled positions. But when the DB's make their BEST PLAY you get NO POINTS.
When the Offensive Skilled positions make their BEST PLAY you get 7!
You have to score points to win, You have to Stretch the Field to Beat the Steelers
What Dya Mean
Why would I spend 11 years with this STUPID SCREEN NAME, this stupid screen name reminds me, that in 1994 the closest the Browns came to beating the Steelers in 3 matchups was when they Threw more deep passes in the first of the 3 games.
The only two times I can remember seeing the Browns beat the Steelers were on a Huge day by Dennis Northcutt, when they outscored the Steelers in a high scoring day, and on a Kevin Johnson hail mary in the expansion year 99.
That in the 2001 playoff matchup, the 17 pt halftime lead and the Hap Hap Happy Television Feed of the FRIGHTENED pittspuke fans were courtesy of deep passes that stretced the Field.
Now they couldn't run the ball the whole dang game, not just with the lead but that whole game but without the pass, they don't even get in position to have the opportunity to run the ball with the lead.
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Just looking back over the last 25 drafts I uncovered these names as our 1st selected player.
Ron Brown RB
Greg Allen RB
Web Slaughter WR
Eric Metcalf RB
Leroy Hoard RB
Tommy Vardell RB
Tim Couch QB
William Green RB
Kellen Winslow TE
Braylon Edwards WR
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So you're saying we should have tried to hang onto him, and then watch him go to NY without getting anything in return?
That's smart...
Also, why did the Jets decide to go grab Holmes this past off season? Was it because Braylon was tearing up the number 1 receiver spot so much that they had to go out and get a true #1?
Braylon leaving sucks. He made tons of great plays to go along with his dumb plays. He left a hole that has since remained unfilled. Trading him was just making the best of a bad situation. Hanging onto him would've been delaying the inevitable.
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