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I've seen plenty of posts that question the idea of running a WCO against the defenses in our division. I guess in 2 weeks we get to see how a WCO team stacks up against the best defense from the AFC North.
I personally think that the teams in our division are so good at stopping the run that attacking them with a pass first offense would open up the running game and be a better way to beat them than trying to win doing what they do best. It doesn't make sense to me why some only think it will work to play smash mouth football against 2 teams that are better at that style of play than everyone else in the league.
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It seemed to me yesterday that when the Jets tried running on the Steelers, that it didn't work,, then when they started passing more,, things opened up.
From what I could tell, done right, it seems very possible that a Passing attack can play havoc with a tough D like pittsburgh.
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It is very tough to run against the top teams in our division so a WCO might be just what is needed to open up the running game, with Hillis.
Let's not forget, Holmgren has had experience and success running the WCO in Northern climates, against tough defensive teams.
It really does come down to protecting your QB and the ability of the players and coaches to execute the game plan.
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Let's not forget, Holmgren has had experience and success running the WCO in Northern climates, against tough defensive teams.
A strong armed future HOF QB in his prime helped just a little bit.
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Years agao when the only time we made the playoffs in our return we torched the Steelers passing yet lost as our defense melted yet the next year the entire league adopted that game plan and the squeelers were 6-10. Ok this is a great lab experiment as one of the best west coast teams( Greenbay) faces one of the best Blitz happy AFC North teams( Squeelers). I think when a team blitzes so much like
the Men in Black you do not reward them by playing conservative and getting held to 2 yard runs and short passing routes they jump.
You run a variety of slants and 20 yard passes. Now we all get to see who is right.
I am so tired of getting drilled by this team and playing an offense right into their hands. You know what works vs the Steelers, look at their offense, throw the ball downfield and make them pay. Quick screen and middle screen them. Hit the TEs.
This is a great matchup Super Bowl.
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I will say, I love watching Rodgers hit that quick slant to Jennings. They do it so well, and seemingly always at the right time. Should be fun to watch.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I love people who act like the WCO won't work in the AFC North because its a "finesse offense."
I doubt Shaun Alexander and Steve Hutchinson think it's a finesse offense. I doubt Adrian Peterson thinks it's a finesse offense either.
In ANY scheme, it comes down to your play mix. Even the Bears, with Mike Martz's system, became a smashmouth attack down the stretch once Lovie Smith asked Martz to balance the playcalling.
Somehow I don't think Pat Shurmur, a former lineman, is going to make the offense a finesse offense.
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One thing seems clear. If Baltimore and Pittsburg can continue to line up in a pre-snap blitz formation, and the Browns will continue to check into a quick out pass attempt and the Defenders will continue to be in position to intercept the ball over half of the time then nothing will have changed. There is a big difference in what you are referencing as a west coast offense, and what the Browns have called a west coast offense. Since 1999 I hear every year some mention of the west coast offense. Every year it is an excuse to not make enough pass attempts downfield. Everybody wants to claim it is """"""""" high percentage """"""""" " short pass plays " dink and dunk  it never works. The only thing high percentage is the amount of intercepted passes and almost intercepted passes. Since 2001 the teams that make the super bowl have exhibited one quality, and that is an effective deep passing threat, primarily up the middle of the field. It seems to me, if you can find a way to negate the safety by forcing him to cover the middle of the field, deep downfield, then that will take away alot of what teams are trying to do with him. The Browns Don't, and 2 safeties in their division look unstoppable Can someone, run a deep post right past those safeties for a touchdown in a Browns uniform next time?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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If Baltimore and Pittsburg can continue to line up in a pre-snap blitz formation, and the Browns will continue to check into a quick out pass attempt
if we get the right side (specifically tackle) fixed this offseason, then we can mix up the short checks with a few deep bombs that will leave the defense exposed (if you pickup the blitz, what does that leave in the secondary?).
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If Baltimore and Pittsburg can continue to line up in a pre-snap blitz formation, and the Browns will continue to check into a quick out pass attempt
if we get the right side (specifically tackle) fixed this offseason, then we can mix up the short checks with a few deep bombs that will leave the defense exposed (if you pickup the blitz, what does that leave in the secondary?).
with a young QB like colt.. he would have to watch out for the zone blitzes with quick throws.. ie BJ Raji's pick 6 yesterday.
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The ignorance of the WCO does not surprise me.
It is not finese at all, unless you think a guy like Adrian Peterson is finese.
In many ways, LeBeau's 3-4 zone blitzes can play to the strength of the west coast offense. It depends on the quarterbacks ability to audible. The big thing about the fire-zone blitzes and a lot of things teams do nowadays is the line stunts. A defensive end will slant inside and a tackle will go around him. You have to know the calls, but being familiar is a big key to blocking it up.
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i remember 2 years ago, philly having great success against pittsburgh. but of course, philly was dialing up some mean defenses (before jj passed away)
let's not fool ourselves, with proper personnel, any scheme can beat any scheme.
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let's not fool ourselves, with proper personnel, any scheme can beat any scheme.
Which I believe is the point.. the personnel from one team to the next is generally not all that different.. yet some teams consistently win and other teams consistently lose... And the biggest difference is the coaching/play calling.
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let's not fool ourselves, with proper personnel, any scheme can beat any scheme.
This.
And let's also not act like the WCO coming to the Browns is like the Rich Rod offense coming to the Big Ten, like many act like it is among fans and media.
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Which I believe is the point.. the personnel from one team to the next is generally not all that different.. yet some teams consistently win and other teams consistently lose... And the biggest difference is the coaching/play calling.
Sorry man, I don't agree with that. Coaching is overrated.
It can't be incompetent, but nine times out of ten, the players make the difference.
I guess what I am saying is coaching can lose games, but it doesn't win many games.
I heard Bobby Cox say that, and it always stuck.
I'll admit....if Bobby Cox starts talking about coaching/managing, I am all ears.
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Sorry man, I don't agree with that. Coaching is overrated.
It can't be incompetent, but nine times out of ten, the players make the difference.
Tell that to Jason Garrett for Wade Phillips, Leslie Frasier for Brad Childress, heck .. the bears went to the conference championship game ... and if they didnt lose cutler they could be going to the superbowl ... they didnt have a pick til the 4th round ... they only added Julius peppers (which shouldn't be overshadowed) and mike martz ....
or tell it to pete carrol who has scrubs and free agents (look at seattle's transactions throughout this year) yet he got them within 1 game of the conference championship ...
Good Coaching is like good managers in business ... if you have 1 good coach, you can work around your personnel flaws ... otherwise ... you need to have 11 great players and even then you still might not have the right scheme or play to the player's strengths ...
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i don't know if i'd say coaching is overrated, especially in football.
but i do kinda see his point. i heard someone make a point that a lot of these coaches that get canned are actually pretty good, they just don't have the personnel to match up. a lot of times they don't have a competent qb, or a defense that can stop anyone. bill belichick is a hall of fame coach but his guys couldn't stop the browns.
the haves and the have nots in this era of football are defined by those with a top notch defense and top notch qb. pittsburgh has both, the jets have one with a qb who makes a few plays. the bears have a top notch defense, the packers have both....
mangini made some mistakes this year, there were some situations in-game where he could have made a better call, where his coordinators could have made a better call, even with personnel. it was probably the difference between staying and getting fired, but mangini is a good coach. he was playing with the equivalent of 10 guys while everyone else had 11. on both sides of the ball.
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i don't know if i'd say coaching is overrated, especially in football.
but i do kinda see his point. i heard someone make a point that a lot of these coaches that get canned are actually pretty good, they just don't have the personnel to match up. a lot of times they don't have a competent qb, or a defense that can stop anyone. bill belichick is a hall of fame coach but his guys couldn't stop the browns.
the haves and the have nots in this era of football are defined by those with a top notch defense and top notch qb. pittsburgh has both, the jets have one with a qb who makes a few plays. the bears have a top notch defense, the packers have both....
mangini made some mistakes this year, there were some situations in-game where he could have made a better call, where his coordinators could have made a better call, even with personnel. it was probably the difference between staying and getting fired, but mangini is a good coach. he was playing with the equivalent of 10 guys while everyone else had 11. on both sides of the ball.
Imagine if we had a real passing game.
One play here...one play there...it changes the entire scope of this season.
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Ok point taken and I get where you're coming from. But don't forget that some of teams of the past few years which have been "loaded" with talent include the raiders, washington and the cowboys. Now I won't say Tony Romo is horrible, but Kitna did play pretty well for him this year. The other two have no quarterbacking play other than carousels just like ours.. so I can see your point on the importance of quarterbacks.
That being said, we have seen the colts and saints both win a superbowl with *some* talented players but also some names that you might not have heard of and I would attribute that to scheme.
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That being said, we have seen the colts and saints both win a superbowl with *some* talented players but also some names that you might not have heard of and I would attribute that to scheme.
The difference there is outstanding QB play.
Besides, the Saints' offense is loaded with receivers.
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One pass play here or there.
One pass rusher bringing down the opposing QB when he almost had his hands on him ......on a critical 3rd and long ........ Eric Wright not imploding this season .... and maybe only allowing 1/4 of the TD passes he allowed ......
It all came down to one play or one player here or there in damn near each and every game this year.
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One pass play here or there.
One pass rusher bringing down the opposing QB when he almost had his hands on him ......on a critical 3rd and long ........ Eric Wright not imploding this season .... and maybe only allowing 1/4 of the TD passes he allowed ......
It all came down to one play or one player here or there in damn near each and every game this year.
Which is exactly why I don't buy that we're "light years away from competing."
Especially if Colt becomes the guy.
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Sorry man, I don't agree with that. Coaching is overrated.
It can't be incompetent, but nine times out of ten, the players make the difference.
I guess what I am saying is coaching can lose games, but it doesn't win many games.
I heard Bobby Cox say that, and it always stuck.
I'll admit....if Bobby Cox starts talking about coaching/managing, I am all ears.
Bobby Cox is completely right about Baseball, it is completly different in Football.
Here's why, Baseball is often about 1 player at a time, around the ball,
the pitcher, the pitch, the swing of the bat, the choice not to swing , the throw , ... the only time two players interact is when a fielder throws to another, or when taging out a base runner, it really is about a dozen players individual performances.
Even Basketball can be about the players, (Hockey I don't know about), in basketball there are some plays but so much of it is individual skill and athleticism.
This is entirely what makes Football the Greatest game in the World, the simple fact that it is sooo complex, with so many different elements involved into the competition, and not only that, but unlike most other sports, in football there is soo little that involves skill against the field, goalposts, etc... and soo much that involves skill against the Other TEAM,
It is most similar to a battle, because the only way to look good is to make the other team look bad, much like boxing,
So the strengh or lack thereof of your Opponent is paramount.
So in football Coaching matters, It is of UTmost importance, that includes ON the Field coaching, ( some have said the defense's suffered when Fujita was injured) Skill players are also important, as noone can deny the skill in individual situations that are exhibited every year.
It really is something to appreciate.
The Thing is, in the NFL, a 53 man roster, an offense, a defense, a special teams, punts, kickoffs, timeouts, clock management, formations, personel to use on any given play, so many more examples, that demonstrate.
While Bobby Cox may be very right about coaching, Managing in baseball may not be as important as the players to win many games.
In football it is not the case. In football the Coaching matters, Alot, A whole lot!
Everything matters the players too.
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One thing seems clear.
If Baltimore and Pittsburg can continue to line up in a pre-snap blitz formation, and the Browns will continue to check into a quick out pass attempt
and the Defenders will continue to be in position to intercept the ball over half of the time
then nothing will have changed.
There is a big difference in what you are referencing as a west coast offense, and what the Browns have called a west coast offense.
Since 1999 I hear every year some mention of the west coast offense.
Every year it is an excuse to not make enough pass attempts downfield.
Everybody wants to claim it is """"""""" high percentage """"""""" " short pass plays " dink and dunk it never works.
The only thing high percentage is the amount of intercepted passes and almost intercepted passes.
Since 2001 the teams that make the super bowl have exhibited one quality, and that is an effective deep passing threat, primarily up the middle of the field.
It seems to me, if you can find a way to negate the safety by forcing him to cover the middle of the field, deep downfield, then that will take away alot of what teams are trying to do with him.
The Browns Don't, and 2 safeties in their division look unstoppable
Can someone, run a deep post right past those safeties for a touchdown in a Browns uniform next time?
The Browns have not had a QB with the physical and intelligence skills to read defenses. Also they have had really mediocre talent at RB and WR and poor Olines so it really does not matter what coast they ran..maybe Barberry Coast. WE have not had top qbing in this town since Bernie Kosars heyday.
With the Packers vs the Steelers you will see the best blitz happy AFC North defense VS the fast pace, quick pass West Coast Packers offense. Look for the steelers to cheap shot and intentionally hurt the Packer QB. Otherwise they LOSE and they know it. This offense is tailor made to beat on that bag of misfits.
Again, the Steelers KNOW when they are in for it and when they are cornered they are a dirty team. Watch out for your knees Aaron Rogers and wear a brace during the game.
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Let's not forget, Holmgren has had experience and success running the WCO in Northern climates, against tough defensive teams.
A strong armed future HOF QB in his prime helped just a little bit.
It seemed to work pretty well with an average strengthed current HOF QB in his prime as well.
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About the only thing I can guarantee is that they will play dirty and they will not get called for it.
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When the steelers feel threatened they play dirty as hell.
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One thing seems clear.
If Baltimore and Pittsburg can continue to line up in a pre-snap blitz formation, and the Browns will continue to check into a quick out pass attempt
and the Defenders will continue to be in position to intercept the ball over half of the time
then nothing will have changed.
There is a big difference in what you are referencing as a west coast offense, and what the Browns have called a west coast offense.
Since 1999 I hear every year some mention of the west coast offense.
Every year it is an excuse to not make enough pass attempts downfield.
Everybody wants to claim it is """"""""" high percentage """"""""" " short pass plays " dink and dunk it never works.
The only thing high percentage is the amount of intercepted passes and almost intercepted passes.
Since 2001 the teams that make the super bowl have exhibited one quality, and that is an effective deep passing threat, primarily up the middle of the field.
It seems to me, if you can find a way to negate the safety by forcing him to cover the middle of the field, deep downfield, then that will take away alot of what teams are trying to do with him.
The Browns Don't, and 2 safeties in their division look unstoppable
Can someone, run a deep post right past those safeties for a touchdown in a Browns uniform next time?
Do you not remember how Kosar often ripped the steelers in the 80s with quick passes DOWNFIELD. Would keep in BOTH mack and Byner to block and let them peel off and catch passes.
I have no idea why we do not keep both hillis and vickers in to block and look to the TE or downfield. with both backs in the QB has more time then you can let them peel off and catch safety valve passes.
1) We need a RT.
2) We need to kepp BOYH Vickers and Hillis in at the same time
3) we need to use both out TEs.
4)We must get a downfield threat at WR.
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.. " Do you not remember how Kosar often ripped the steelers in the 80s with quick passes DOWN FIELD. Would keep in BOTH Mack and Byner to block and let them peel off and catch passes. I have no idea why we do not keep both hillis and vickers in to block and look to the TE or down-field. with both backs in the QB has more time then you can let them peel off and catch safety valve passes. 1) We need a RT. 2) We need to keep BOTH Vickers and Hillis in at the same time 3) we need to use both out TEs. 4)We must get a down field threat at WR. .. " ............................................................................................ Real Simple .. We have had idiots in Coaching positions ! 
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Many teams have won with the WCO. AFCN defenses are good because of personnel. If your personnel is good, any offense can defeat any defense. We beat the Steelers last year with a joke of an offense. We have beaten Baltimore, with even worse offenses.
It comes down to personnel and execution. 4-3, 3-4, WCO, or any other offense, all work if executed right. The right personnel will get you there.
Some on here act as if no team has ever beaten Pittsburgh with a WCO, I find that hilarious.
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Many teams have won with the WCO. AFCN defenses are good because of personnel. If your personnel is good, any offense can defeat any defense. We beat the Steelers last year with a joke of an offense. We have beaten Baltimore, with even worse offenses.
It comes down to personnel and execution. 4-3, 3-4, WCO, or any other offense, all work if executed right. The right personnel will get you there.
Some on here act as if no team has ever beaten Pittsburgh with a WCO, I find that hilarious.
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Here is MY problems with how we play the steelers who Blitz almost every play.
1) I run quick slants to death with cribbs
2) I run Evan Moore and and watson down the seams.
3) I run middle screens and make the Steelers pay for inside and saftey blitzes.
4) I NEVER have an empty backfield and ALWAYS keep in Vickers to block and as an outlet.
5) The TE should ALWAYS chip the OL into the tackle before he goes into his pattern
6) Run different plays from the same formation and run TE screens where after he chips the olber into the tackle the guard or even center is there as an escort.
7) shovel pass inside past the blitzers
8) get a downfield threat so when Troy commits to a fat break and Vickers is in and the TE has chipped the outside LBer we have time to GO LONG(+20 yards)
We always reward the Steelers blitzes by running conservative to the same holes and being in third and long in an empty backfield and we get blitzed to death. Get Kosar as a QB coach.
oh we got Mr. Whipple fired from Miami (college) for squeezng the Charmin.
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Here is MY problems with how we play the steelers who Blitz almost every play.
1) I run quick slants to death with cribbs
2) I run Evan Moore and and watson down the seams.
3) I run middle screens and make the Steelers pay for inside and saftey blitzes.
4) I NEVER have an empty backfield and ALWAYS keep in Vickers to block and as an outlet.
5) The TE should ALWAYS chip the OL into the tackle before he goes into his pattern
6) Run different plays from the same formation and run TE screens where after he chips the olber into the tackle the and a guard or even center is there as an escort.
7) shovel pass inside past the blitzers
8) get a downfield threat so when Troy commits to a fat break and Vickers is in and the TE has chipped the outside LBer we have time to GO LONG(+20 yards)
We always reward the Steelers blitzes by running conservative to the same holes and being in third and long in an empty backfield and we get blitzed to death. Get Kosar as a QB coach.
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Green Bay Packers are proof West Coast offense can thrive in a northern city, but can it beat the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Friday, February 04, 2011
DALLAS, Texas — As the Browns prepare to reinvent themselves again, their fans wonder: Can the West Coast offense work in the harsh winter months in Cleveland? Can a team that seeks to pass first succeed against the aggressive defense of the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Super Bowl XLV won't answer those questions conclusively, of course. But the Green Bay Packers certainly would seem to be a model the Browns have chosen to follow.
Five years ago, the Packers hired a young offensive-minded coach in Mike McCarthy, who installed his version of the West Coast offense. Sunday they're playing the quarterback-destroyer Steelers for the NFL championship.
The Packers are in the Super Bowl for the first time since another West Coast offense-disciple took the cold-hardened team to two Super Bowls and one championship. That was Mike Holmgren.
And now as president of the Browns, Holmgren is trying to replicate what he did in Green Bay in the mid-1990s and what McCarthy currently is doing. He hired Pat Shurmur, an untested, West Coast-offensive coach to inject some life in the Browns and try to loosen Pittsburgh's powerful vise grip on the AFC North.
Yeah, but can that offense work in Cleveland?
"You have to ask the question, 'Why do people say that?' " Holmgren said. "If they say it because of weather, then I would say Cleveland's weather is no worse than Green Bay's weather, and we won [a] Super Bowl there.
"If you say it because you're the type of guy that allows the offense to drift too much to the throw and away from the run, then you might have a valid point. And you as the coach, you don't let that happen.
"When we were winning Super Bowls, or went to them, we were very balanced. But you do throw more than you run. It was probably 60-40. If you look now, even great running attacks like Pittsburgh, the great quarterbacks usually win the Super Bowl, the guys that can really throw it and teams that can really push the ball down the field. So I don't put much stock in that."
McCarthy said Friday the one winter element that concerns him most in Green Bay is wind.
"Temperatures really don't factor unless it gets below zero," he said. "That affects the way you handle the football, but we're fortunate enough to practice in it and prepare our [receivers] for it. But the wind, to me, is what affects your game plan, the way you approach the game and the way you call the game."
McCarthy, 47, has reached the Super Bowl at exactly the same point as Holmgren did in Green Bay. Holmgren was also 47 when his first Super Bowl season started. (Shurmur is 45.) Eerily, McCarthy and Holmgren had the same win-loss record in their first four seasons, 38-26, and the same .667 winning percentage in postseason games.
Like Holmgren, McCarthy climbed the ladder from quarterbacks coach to coordinator before getting the head coaching opportunity. Shurmur, too, has followed that path.
McCarthy is not part of Holmgren's famed coaching tree, but he did acquire the West Coast philosophy in assistant coaching stints with Kansas City, Green Bay, New Orleans and San Francisco. Along the way, McCarthy added his own elements to the offense.
"They do a lot of things with formations, and spreading things out, and shotgun," Holmgren said. "We never ran much shotgun. So I think he's put his own imprint on this. There was a time in Mike's history, he was in San Francisco, and that kind of carried over."
The key to the offense, of course, is the quarterback. McCarthy has developed Aaron Rodgers into an elite passer. As successor to Brett Favre, Rodgers became the first player in NFL history to post 4,000 yards passing in each of his first two seasons as a starter. He threw for 3,922 this season.
In McCarthy's five seasons, the Packers never have ranked lower than ninth in overall offense and eighth in pass offense. This year, the Packers had a 56-44 pass-to-run ratio. Their leading rusher was Brandon Jackson with 703 yards. They ranked 24th in rushing this year and never have been better than 14th under McCarthy.
You can argue that the breakthrough for the Packers came when McCarthy hired Dom Capers as defensive coordinator two years ago. Capers installed the same 3-4 defense in Green Bay he helped to create with Dick LeBeau in Pittsburgh in the early 1990s.
"Look at the Packers," Browns quarterback Colt McCoy said. "They're running the West Coast in the cold, outside, like we'll do. But they have an outstanding defense, too, and that's crucial. I think we can get that, too."
Capers is one of three former Steelers coaches or players on the defensive staff. The others are Darren Perry, a former safety, and Kevin Greene, a classic, 3-4 rush linebacker.
The Pittsburgh connection is no accident. McCarthy is a native of Pittsburgh who grew up idolizing the Steelers' four Super Bowl teams of the 1970s. He counts former Steelers coach Chuck Noll among those who shaped his coaching philosophy.
"It started in my youth in Pittsburgh," McCarthy said. "Coach Chuck Noll had great success and his approach. He was such a fundamentalist in the '70s in Pittsburgh. Growing up in Pittsburgh is a big part of who I am, but I am a Green Bay Packer, and we've come here to claim the Lombardi Trophy."
Packers coaches who accomplish that become living legends in Green Bay. Their names are immortalized on street signs and stadiums. The Packers' iconic (Curly) Lambeau Stadium sits alongside (Vince) Lombardi Avenue, just a field goal away from (Mike) Holmgren Way.
"I think being the coach of the Packers is one of the best coaching jobs, if not the best coaching job, in the league," Holmgren said. "You have a college atmosphere there, the stadium's always full, they're always with you. A lot of energy.
"But I think you get to feel responsible for a lot of people there, with the entire state [following the team]. It's a very unique place. So, if we lost a game, boy, I felt bad for everybody."
If nothing else, Shurmur will know that feeling in Cleveland, too -- no matter the style of offense he runs.
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Articles saying "will the West Coast Offense work in Cleveland?" absolutely enrage me.
And based on that article, Holmgren is pretty miffed by it too.
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Holmgren doesn't even like it being called the WCO and he's said as much. He just accepts it. People running it run so many different versions with each having their own wrinkles that it barely resembles what was known as the WCO other than in the philosophy.
We'll be fine with our offense here. The only thing is it's complicated and will take a couple years to become really proficient at it. It's certainly not a quick fix. But it will be a quick fix for some of our recent woes, namely, moving the chains.
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Holmgren doesn't even like it being called the WCO and he's said as much. He just accepts it. People running it run so many different versions with each having their own wrinkles that it barely resembles what was known as the WCO other than in the philosophy.
We'll be fine with our offense here. The only thing is it's complicated and will take a couple years to become really proficient at it. It's certainly not a quick fix. But it will be a quick fix for some of our recent woes, namely, moving the chains.
well, whatever you call it, right now, it's taking it to the Steelers D in the Superbowl no less..
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The Packers defense is taking it to the Steelers offense too. It took 3 injured Green Bay DBs for the Steelers to score that TD.
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