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I am not one that believes he was born outside the US, or so called "birther", but for the love of God, why doesn't he just produce the document himself and end this whole thing. Obama could end this talk in a second if he'd get a copy of the certificate and show everyone! It seems so simple - why won't he do it?  Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info AP – FILE - In this Jan. 27, 2010, file photo President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address … Slideshow:President Barack Obama Play VideoBarack Obama Video:Obama's State of the Union Reuters Play VideoBarack Obama Video:Health Care Fight: What Now? FOX News By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press – Sat Jan 22, 4:56 am ET HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says. State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday. "There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president." Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, launched an investigation last month into whether he can release more information about the president's Aug. 4, 1961 birth. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama's birthplace for political reasons. But Abercrombie's attempt reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options. Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest. So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because they say there's no proof he was born in the United States, with many of the skeptics questioning whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country. Hawaii's health director said in 2008 and 2009 that she had seen and verified Obama's original vital records, and birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers were published within days of Obama's birth at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu. Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo again confirmed Friday that Obama's name is found in its alphabetical list of names of people born in Hawaii, maintained in bound copies available for public view. That information, called index data, shows a listing for "Obama II, Barack Hussein, Male," according to the department's website. "The index is just to say who has their records within the department. That's an indication," Okubo said. "I can't talk about anyone's records." The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races. Link
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The only reason this still lingers as a story is because Obama wants it to be a story. They could easily release the info people want but he chooses not to because these idiot birthers make people opposed to him look bad.
The man was born in Hawaii. Everyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist knows it.
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Because even that wouldn't shut people up. They'd want to take it and test it to see if it's a forgery, and then they'd want to talk to the people who made it. Next they'd want to do full background searches on anyone who dealt with the birth certificate. For many people, like the birthers, it doesn't matter what or how you show them or prove to them, they already know the truth so you're automatically wrong.
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Probably just a hoax, but i had a friend send me an email that shows a pic of a Certified copy of Registration of Birth for Obama that shows he was born in Mombasa.
I just wish they would put this to rest one way or another.
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Because even that wouldn't shut people up. They'd want to take it and test it to see if it's a forgery, and then they'd want to talk to the people who made it. Next they'd want to do full background searches on anyone who dealt with the birth certificate. For many people, like the birthers, it doesn't matter what or how you show them or prove to them, they already know the truth so you're automatically wrong.
Not to pick nits.... but that is precisely the level of checks that I completely expect should have already been done by the Secret Service, and full details of that investigation should be made available.
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Thank goodness we have a completely new story to talk about!  This has reached the level of utter stupidity.
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considering even my job does an extensive background check that includes verifying things like SS #'s and Birth Certificates, I fully expect that the Secret Service did a rather intrusive check on all presidential candidates.
I do not expect those to be released to the public though. I want it to be as intrusive as possible and I don't think it'd be fair to candidates to have it released. As long as they checked out clean, that's good enough for me.
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I would expect that they did it too... so why didn't somebody from the secret service or the FBI or some other agency squash this in the beginning and come out and say, "Look, we checked him out thoroughly, we vetted his birth, his criminal record, blahblahblah.... Barack Obama definitely meets all of the criteria to be President."
Why can't somebody do that? Sure you might have some fringe remaining that isn't going to believe it but it would passify a lot of people like me who are just mildly curious why nobody seems willing to answer the question.
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The thing is, others have checked in the government, and they've said everything is kosher. So do we really need to feed the fears of every little conspiracy nut by going through this endeavor? If we allow something like this to happen to our president, where his files are privately combed through and sifted and dissolved just because a fringe group says he's not american born, what is ok for the rest of the country?
Again, even if the secret service made this info available, would it make a difference? To some, maybe, but to the true believers it hints at a larger conspiracy than originally thought.
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I think it falls into the "we never published findings we do for any other presidental candidate....so why did we have to do that then? And we wouldn't certainly do anything now because it looks like a small conspiracy group has us trying to defend something we don't have to....and they'll only tear anything we say apart anyway. So, it's a lose-lose situation." category. Pretty specific category huh?   I think a lot of other government conspiracies fall into that too. If you answer the request to talk more about it, its only going to get more traction in the media. A news outlet can spin any comment to show you're on the defensive or hiding something. You always act like it's a non-issue. It will go away. ***I don't support either side. Dont care, don't want to care.***
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If you answer the request to talk more about it, its only going to get more traction in the media.
Yeah that's one way to look at it punch, but it would get a lot less traction if they just came out and verified it. It would be so simple lay it to rest, so guys like DC wouldn't be so curious.
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The thing is, others have checked in the government, and they've said everything is kosher. So do we really need to feed the fears of every little conspiracy nut by going through this endeavor? If we allow something like this to happen to our president, where his files are privately combed through and sifted and dissolved just because a fringe group says he's not american born, what is ok for the rest of the country?
I don't know that the citizenship of any other President has ever even been questioned. Natural citizenship at the highest levels of our gov't is a bit of a cornerstone item, and if there are legitimate concerns about the validity of someone's claims, then those claims need to be satisfactorily addressed. Scrutiny from all levels should be embraced, not discouraged. Also, due to the very nature of the issue, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever that the information should be withheld, and "because we've never done it with others" doesn't lend any extra credence.
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Again, even if the secret service made this info available, would it make a difference? To some, maybe, but to the true believers it hints at a larger conspiracy than originally thought.
There will always be segments of any fringe that will never be satisfied... the framework of their little world demands such. However, taking such steps as allowing independent verification, etc.. should not be discounted.
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Even if they did present a copy of the BC to the media, there would be some claiming it is a forgery anyway.
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What is ok for the rest of the country? Presenting some form of official identification to vote would be a decent start.
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This is getting insane.. really.
Raise your hand if you think he wasn't vetted by the US Secret Service.
If you know anything about the secret service, they don't really ever speak to the press about anything.
So,, if they determined that he WAS NOT born in the USA, they'd have had to inform him first, then I would assume some board of elections or other officials of his ineligibility to hold that office. But I doubt they ever tell the press.
BUT, if it was determined that he WAS born in the USA,, I'd think they wouldn't talk to anyone....
I am not sure where I read it,, (and when I have a chance I'll see if I can find it) But an article or news story I read said that the Secret Service doesn't discuss any plans, investigations, up coming events with anyone but the principles involved... (paraphrasing of course)
I gotta find that article...
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...... if you think ... If you know ......So,, if they determined... then I would assume .... But I doubt .....
BUT, if it was determined .... I'd think they .....
I am not sure .....
Well at least you have all of the facts.
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That is funny. Forget the Secret Service, you'd think Obama's handlers in the White House would have put this to rest by now.
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Not for nothing,,, and make fun of me all you want.. But would you believe Eric Cantor http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cantor-Obama-Natural-Born/2011/01/24/id/383680I bet you that if there was ANYTHING to Obama being born somewhere other than on US soil, he'd be Screaming from the roof tops.. (and who could blame him) For what it's worth http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.htmlFactcheck (if you choose to believe them) says they saw and touched the document.. I can't believe this is still floating around out there.. Fox News would have this out there front and center if they found one piece of evidence he wasn't born in the US... It's easy to dismiss someone because they don't make statements of fact when they don't have the facts... I haven't personally seen the Certificate of Live Birth for Obama,, so for me to say to you,,,I SAW IT and it's real (as if I'd know a fake from a real one) would be wrong of me. But if it makes you feel good,,, if it makes you feel smart. be my guest.. If people only want to believe things that support thier own beliefs, the truth won't ever be good enough for them... Having said that, if someone can prove he was born elsewhere, I'm open to hear about it.
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Just a general reply .....
The simple fact is that if Obama was born to a parent, either parent, who was a US citizen, then he is a US citizen. He could have been born on Hawaii, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Australia, or on the moon .... and he's still a US citizen.
As far as I know, the citizenship of his mother has never been questioned. If his mother was a citizen, then he is a citizen ..... and nothing else matters. It doesn't matter who his father was, or where he was born.
I would much rather stay on the important debates about spending and taxes, and security.
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If I were O, I'd give permission - in fact I'd demand they release the birth certificate. That would end all speculation. Kinda odd that he doesn't do that in my opinion. I mean, if there's still a question, why not knock it out?
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If I were O, I'd give permission - in fact I'd demand they release the birth certificate. That would end all speculation. Kinda odd that he doesn't do that in my opinion. I mean, if there's still a question, why not knock it out?
Why? those that don't believe him now, will find a way to justify not beliving him even if he takes Mr' Peabodys place and transports the non-believer back in time in the Wayback Machine.
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That is funny.
Forget the Secret Service, you'd think Obama's handlers in the White House would have put this to rest by now.
Why would they want to? This is a win for them. The overwhelming majority of Americans don't buy into this crap. The more people hear it, the more disdain they have for the birthers. I believe it creates sympathy for Obama, and hurts those that oppose him, even if they don't believe he was foreign born.
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It may create some sympathy but I would think only from fringe groups that think he was born in a manger.
The conspiracy nuts certainly eat this garbage up, not a citizen, the government was behind 9/11, the mob or Castro or LBJ killed Kennedy, I can't remember which one now.
Since the guy is 2 years in and the better odds are he's already a lame duck, does it all really matter? The only thing we know for sure is who shot JR and to be honest, I didn't care about that either.
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If I were O, I'd give permission - in fact I'd demand they release the birth certificate. That would end all speculation. Kinda odd that he doesn't do that in my opinion. I mean, if there's still a question, why not knock it out?
Why? those that don't believe him now, will find a way to justify not beliving him even if he takes Mr' Peabodys place and transports the non-believer back in time in the Wayback Machine.
That's not true. Some maybe, but not all.
I'd like to see a actual document.
Since this has been pressed as a issue, you wouldn't like to see it end and have the guy release a actual birth document??
I don't think he has one .
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Unless you want the people who have a half a brain to judge the people who are supporting the 5% of the people who think he's not born in the U.S.
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Why would they want to? This is a win for them. The overwhelming majority of Americans don't buy into this crap. The more people hear it, the more disdain they have for the birthers. I believe it creates sympathy for Obama, and hurts those that oppose him, even if they don't believe he was foreign born.
Exactly.
The kooks only make him look better. And it would be something of a loss for him to actually patronize them ...
As an example, if the Bush administration had addressed the kooks who thought 9/11 was an inside job, they'd come off looking kind of nutty themselves.
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I guess I'm just a simpleton - if someone doesn't believe me I show them proof of the truth when it is something as simple as a birth certificate. I don't think you are letting anyone "win" at that point. Could be wrong, but oh well.
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I guess I'm just a simpleton - if someone doesn't believe me I show them proof of the truth when it is something as simple as a birth certificate. I don't think you are letting anyone "win" at that point. Could be wrong, but oh well.
That makes 2 of us "simpletons" I guess.
I'm like you. If someone is calling me out and I have proof of what I'm saying, I lay the proof down and say "shut up now, will you?".
With the proof in my hand - when it's as simple as showing a document - there is only 1 winner, and that is me.
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It really is that simple. Show the proof and be done with it. Sheesh!
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But it's a moot point. His mother is a US citizen. If his mother is a US citizen, then so is he, no matter where he was born. This is one of the most pointless arguments of all time, unless someone thinks that his mother isn't really his mother or something. That really would be over the top.
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His mother is a US citizen. If his mother is a US citizen, then so is he, no matter where he was born.
This is one of the most pointless arguments of all time, unless someone thinks that his mother isn't really his mother or something. That really would be over the top.
So, show the birth certificate. If it's moot, it's moot. Shutting up the birthers would be worth it.
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