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After three tumultuous years, Jim Zorn is ready to get out of the Baltimore-Washington Metroplex.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Ravens “released” Zorn from his contract after one year as their quarterbacks coach. (That’s a nice way of saying he was fired.)
“It was not a fit on either side” according to Schefter.
Zorn, who jumped to the Ravens after two years as the head coach with the Redskins, is expected to draw interest elsewhere immediately. His history with Mike Holmgren could make Zorn a natural fit in Cleveland.
There were rumblings in Baltimore that Zorn and Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron had difficulty co-existing. There seemed to be communication issues between Zorn, Cameron, and Joe Flacco.
UPDATE: The firing came after a seven hour meeting between Zorn, Cameron, and Ravens coach Jim Harbaugh in which they questioned Flacco’s development this year, according to the Baltimore Sun.
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Sounds like there was some sort of disconnect between Cameron and Zorn, and Cameron won out.
Anyway, I would have no problem bringing in Zorn as a QB coach, a position he held under Holmgren in Seattle.
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This is a surprise to me. He could more than fill a spot. Not like he would have to call plays, after all. I think he could be a fit with the Walrus Plan. 
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Anyway, I would have no problem bringing in Zorn as a QB coach, a position he held under Holmgren in Seattle.
Sounds good to me. I think Zorn would do well with McCoy. If Holmgren thinks he's an OC candidate, that's good too: but if not, he'd make a good QB Coach. He knows our offense and is very experienced.
I don't think too highly about Cam Cameron to be honest. May be Clemments as O-Coordinator and Zorn as QB Coach. Browns would be ready to go
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Isn't anyone else concerned that he blew out of his last 2 jobs in rather short order?
I mean, being named the head coach of the Redskins was probably, and in fact was almost certainly, too much too soon ......
But then he went to baltimore, with a young, up and coming QB, and lasted a year.
That concerns me.
I know ... I'm a hater, or a Mangini lover, or some other crap ...... but this does worry me if he winds up on our radar.
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Anyway, I would have no problem bringing in Zorn as a QB coach, a position he held under Holmgren in Seattle.
Sounds good to me. I think Zorn would do well with McCoy. If Holmgren thinks he's an OC candidate, that's good too: but if not, he'd make a good QB Coach. He knows our offense and is very experienced.
I don't think too highly about Cam Cameron to be honest. May be Clemments as O-Coordinator and Zorn as QB Coach. Browns would be ready to go
I really don't think Holmgrens thoughts on a OC are near as important as Shurmers.
We need to quit with this idea Holmgren is going to have much say in the shape this coaching staff takes after the head coach..
Shurmer will.
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Mary Kay Cabot says, "Browns not expected to interview Jim Zorn for any offensive position."
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I really don't think Holmgrens thoughts on a OC are near as important as Shurmers.
We need to quit with this idea Holmgren is going to have much say in the shape this coaching staff takes after the head coach..
Shurmer will.
You're probably right. Knowing very little about Shurmur (Shurmer?) and much more about Holmgren just makes it much easier to pick out options that connect to Holmgren.
I'm just getting impatient, I wanna find out who the O-Coordinator will be
But yeah, I imagine most of the decision will fall on Shurmur, as he is the coach, and he should be allowed to pick his staff. But with the Holmgren and Heckert connection, it's hard not to start drawing lines............
But yeah, in the end, it is Shurmur's decision, and I'm sure as an ex-coach, Holmgren will allow Shurmur to have say in who his coaches will be.
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So....can we just fire Shurmur/Jauron now and hire Jeff Fisher?  Fisher Titans parting ways
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So....can we just fire Shurmur/Jauron now and hire Jeff Fisher?
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Haha, that's what I was thinking!
This Titans owner (Bud Adams?) is supposed to be a real jerk.
I dunno what he's thinking. Jeff Fisher is a good coach.
He was my top choice, unfortunately, they decide to fire him too late! I bet it's not a coincidence.........
I wonder if it's at all possible to secretly offer him the D-Coordinator spot. If he accepts, fire Jauron, if he declines, pretend like it never happened (Deny and lie till you die.......)
I also wonder if someone like the Giants will consider firing Tom Coughlin if they know they can get Jeff Fisher.
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Isn't anyone else concerned that he blew out of his last 2 jobs in rather short order?
I mean, being named the head coach of the Redskins was probably, and in fact was almost certainly, too much too soon ......
But then he went to baltimore, with a young, up and coming QB, and lasted a year.
That concerns me.
I know ... I'm a hater, or a Mangini lover, or some other crap ...... but this does worry me if he winds up on our radar.
I'm not.
Job 1 was as OC and nobody wanted to HC job so he got it by default. And in Washington, the home of one of the biggest meddlers for an owner. He wasn't set up for success, not even close.
In Job 2, the article clearly states that he and Cameron didn't see eye to eye. In an industry where egos seem to rule, the bigger ego (or top dog) wins out.
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He did a great job with Flacco. This was probably a system clash as well as a personality clash. Air Coryell vs. WCO
Zorn would be a good addition.
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Supposedly the Ravens felt Flacco hasn't made enough progress and it was Zorn's fault.
Sounds like a crock to me. But then I've always felt that Flacco is a tad overrated.
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j/c..
You don't find too many coaches getting fired that were apart of a playoff team.. As someone else said earlier in the thread, Zorn's short history with teams is a little suspect.
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Zorn improves quarterbacks. It is really that simple. Hell even this year, Flacco i believe increased Tds and lowered INTs.
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Just clicking http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_am_links_35.htmlIn this article, it says that so many OC candidates have turned us down.. I wonder who turned us down.. I mean we've interviewed a few but were any offers extended? that guy from Denver,, far as I know, he just decided to stay there with John Fox who he knew pretty well? Anyone else?
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Well, there were reports that both Musgrave and McCoy had accepted, then declined a Browns offer ... and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
Of course, people on this board think that it's all a conspiracy ..... and that the writers are lying ...... or that someone who "is expected to sign with the Browns", but almost immediately signs elsewhere just means that the Browns didn't want to sign him.
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In this article, it says that so many OC candidates have turned us down.. I wonder who turned us down.. I mean we've interviewed a few but were any offers extended?
Could be they turned down the opportunity to be interviewed rather than being offered the job and turning it down.
That or the writer could just be over dramatizing things a bit.
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There is little doubt in my mind this isn't going as smoothly as was anticipated.
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Well, there were reports that both Musgrave and McCoy had accepted, then declined a Browns offer ... and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
Of course, people on this board think that it's all a conspiracy ..... and that the writers are lying ...... or that someone who "is expected to sign with the Browns", but almost immediately signs elsewhere just means that the Browns didn't want to sign him.
And there are others that have an agenda, and will twist and turn anything to make it fit their agenda. Writers are wrong all the time, trying to be the first one to break the news.
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There is little doubt in my mind this isn't going as smoothly as was anticipated.
Kind of disconcerting. Too much politics in play. It's now officially OoooRahUgly,....
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He did a great job with Flacco. This was probably a system clash as well as a personality clash. Air Coryell vs. WCO
Zorn would be a good addition.
Maybe he asked for and they gave him his release to pursue a promotion.
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There is little doubt in my mind this isn't going as smoothly as was anticipated.
Who wouldn't want to OC for Shurmur without having the burden of calling those pesky offensive plays? I mean, my God, don't they understand Mike Holmgren is the team president?! Mike Holmgren! This is unbelievable. 
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Well, there were reports that both Musgrave and McCoy had accepted, then declined a Browns offer ... and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
Of course, people on this board think that it's all a conspiracy ..... and that the writers are lying ...... or that someone who "is expected to sign with the Browns", but almost immediately signs elsewhere just means that the Browns didn't want to sign him.
And there are others that have an agenda, and will twist and turn anything to make it fit their agenda. Writers are wrong all the time, trying to be the first one to break the news.
Yeah, but the McCoy story came out at about the same time from Mary Kay Cabot and someone on the national level. (I can't remember who now, because frankly, I did pay more attention to the local story) Anyway ... Cabot is usually pretty good with her sources. She's not like Grossi with his "Cower will be the next coach ...." BS. You can usually take her stuff to the bank.
Playcalling was also brought up in the national Musgrave stories, and again, where there's smoke there's generally fire.
I know that people seem to want to think that reports like those are some sort of comspiracy or something ..... but really, what do they gain? Nothing. There were numerous reports that McCoy was done, then undone ..... then reports that Musgrave was expected to be done ..... then it was undone ......
Anyway ... at this point I hope we get Clements from the Packers. I think that he's our best remaining bet.
I still don't think that this whole search went quite the way the powers in Berea planned it. I don't have any proof ...... just the same "Gut feeling" that Holmgren had about Shurmur.
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Source: Ravens unhappy with Zorn's teaching methods
One of the main reasons why the Ravens fired quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn was his teaching methods, according to a league source.
Ravens coach John Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron spent all day Tuesday questioning Zorn about how he was coaching quarterback Joe Flacco and were concerned about Zorn being insubordinate, the source added.
Zorn's background never made him a great fit in Cameron's system. Zorn spent all of his NFL career either playing or coaching in the West Coast offense, while the Ravens use more of a vertical game under Cameron.
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I could see a guy jumping from QB coach, to head coach, and then back down to QB coach again having some problems .... but insubordination is pretty bad. You never want a position coach teaching something contrary to your offensive philosophy.
Maybe Zorn can only coach in a WCO type environment? Maybe he won't be able to coach anymore? That's a hard one to throw off ..... especially given that the Ravens generally don't blow up and fire someone without a good cause.
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Zorn's background never made him a great fit in Cameron's system. Zorn spent all of his NFL career either playing or coaching in the West Coast offense, while the Ravens use more of a vertical game under Cameron.
I would have to question the reasoning for the Ratbirds to even bring him.in. Is this something that the Oz had imput in ?
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Good points, Y-town. If this guy gets a rep. as not being a "team player" for lack of a better phrase, his coaching career could be in jeopardy. I'd think he'll likely get another shot somewhere, but this type of thing sticks with you.
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Cam with Miami was interesting to say the least lol. So this one could be a shot at either or both. Anyway Cam now has more power and Zorn is looking for a job. Knowing Flacco's tendencies more than anyone else would be of benefit as would his knowledge of the Ravens.
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Yeah, but doesn't a QB coach teach more techniques, act like a mediator between the QB and the coordinator, and stuff like that?
I don't think that a QB coach is as offense specific as a coordinator is.
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Good point...is there any difference in teaching techniques due to the system you run. ? stupid question I guess....
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Well, there were reports that both Musgrave and McCoy had accepted, then declined a Browns offer ... and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
Of course, people on this board think that it's all a conspiracy ..... and that the writers are lying ...... or that someone who "is expected to sign with the Browns", but almost immediately signs elsewhere just means that the Browns didn't want to sign him.
Maybe what that's what they mean..
But man,, it was funny, we had a thread up on this board with the title "Musgrave to be named OC of the Browns" or something to that effect.
Nothing from the team, nothing indicating any offer being made.. nothing. next thing you know, he's going elsewhere and rejected the Browns. 
I think they interviewed him,, and that's about it.
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Good point...is there any difference in teaching techniques due to the system you run. ? stupid question I guess....
There can be, for instance, if a QB must throw from the pocket, or on the run.
However, a QB coach will have to teach both anyway, as both will present themselves from time to time.
A QB Coach will typically teach footwork, work on keeping the QB's mechanics straight ..... stuff like that.
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I see... maybe lol....So can it be said that he was techniquing his brain instead of his footwork... 
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I'll tell ya one thing...
If it pans out, Zorn will come here wanting nothing more than to stuff it down the Ratbird's throat for the next decade.
I happen to like him and reputation or not, on paper, he'd be a perfect fit for the incoming offensive system.
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If it pans out, Zorn will come here wanting nothing more than to stuff it down the Ratbird's throat for the next decade.
I could learn to like that.... A lot 
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Even if the OC is wrong on a few calls, it happens to every play caller. But if he wants to rip some Ratburdz up, and if he is really going after the Enemy for This Sunday, I am willing to take that better than the three and crap series we saw repeatedly. It is not all personnel; it is calling stuff to go after people. I could live with change in the approach and game plan as well. McBoy going to do some serious throwing I hope. I want a new OC yesterday. Hope we get it right. 
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SANDY POINT, Md. -- Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco is unhappy about the firing of quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn, saying, "I'm not happy about it, and they know I'm not happy about it."
And Flacco said he took the dismissal personally considering he threw for 3,622 yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.
"I also feel like a little bit like I'm being attacked," Flacco said. "You fire the quarterback coach. Usually when your fire a position coach, it's because you're not really happy with how that position did. And when I look back on my season and our season as a team, I mean, we won 13 games. I felt like I had a pretty good year and you're firing the quarterback coach? t's kind of an attack on me, I feel like.
"You know, it is what it is. It's not that big of a deal for me to feel like it. I'm not happy about it. They know that I'm not happy about it. It's not news to them. They know I'm not happy about it, and my feelings aren't going to change. I'm not going to be happy about it, for a long time. This year will be what it is. We're going to be successful this year. I would have just liked him to be a part of it. He would have liked to be a part of it. And I think it would have been good for him to be a part of it."
Flacco wasn't shy about delivering his message today during the annual Polar Bear Plunge at Sandy Point State Park.
"I'm disappointed and they know I'm disappointed," Flacco said. "I don't think it was a good decision, and they know that. I expressed that throughout the whole time it was going on, I expressed how much I didn't think it would be good for us. My opinion isn't going to change.
"I think Jim was a great coach, I think he was great for our team. I think he was great for me. That's how I feel about it."
Flacco denied the existence of communication issues due to Zorn's background in the West Coast offense and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron being a Don Coryell disciple.
"No, not really," Flacco said. "I think Jim was a great coach."
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dang.. Flacco is generally quiet.. him speaking out means a lot.
I'm not sure I've ever heard a discouraging word come out of Flacco.. dude must really be ticked off.. wow..
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