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FYI having a 3rd corner is a luxury item. The steelers have bums at corners and are doing just fine.
DQ and Fujita will play 2/3 LB spots. Maiva *could* play weak side linebacker. He is fast and great in coverage.
We don't need 2 WRs, we need a true #1 to take pressure off of our other WRs
Also I will be pissed if we draft another runningback
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Okay So i got a draft related question. Assuming the worst happens and there is a complete lockout of the 2011-2012 season. What determines the order the of the 2012 draft? Is it like free agency for college students? Same slots as 2011? Draw straws? Flip coins?
From my obligatory google search I can't find a definitive answer. Anyone know anything?
Also in the 2nd round I expect a TJ Ward pick which none of us have guessed and will look like a reach as the Ward pick did.
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I have a strong feeling they will do it like the NBA does it. Have the top 10 or 20 do a lottery. You can't just have the same order or it's unfair to teams with older players.
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I have a prediction.
Arizona will trade their 2nd round pick for Kyle Orton before the draft. Oh yeah Loki I think "that guy" you are talking about could be Kendrick Burney (sp?) CB from North Carolina. The Browns have supposidly talked to him privately.
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I have a prediction.
Arizona will trade their 2nd round pick for Kyle Orton before the draft. Oh yeah Loki I think "that guy" you are talking about could be Kendrick Burney (sp?) CB from North Carolina. The Browns have supposidly talked to him privately.
Burney will be looked at as a nickel back
But not at 37.
They also had interviews with Casey Matthews and Gabe Carimi at the senior bowl. (Reportedly) by
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I have a prediction.
Arizona will trade their 2nd round pick for Kyle Orton before the draft. Oh yeah Loki I think "that guy" you are talking about could be Kendrick Burney (sp?) CB from North Carolina. The Browns have supposidly talked to him privately.
Burney will be looked at as a nickel back
But not at 37.
They also had interviews with Casey Matthews and Gabe Carimi at the Senior Bowl. (Reportedly) by
Scott Wright, President, Draft Countdown
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Shane P. Hallam, Draft Analyst, Draft Countdown
Somebody thinks like I do,...either one of those 2 would suit me fine.
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I have a strong feeling they will do it like the NBA does it. Have the top 10 or 20 do a lottery. You can't just have the same order or it's unfair to teams with older players.
the trickier part is that under the current CBA, if you don't sign your draftees in 1 year, they enter the next draft. so, that would have to become part of the new CBA as well to stop it from happening (as a 1-time thing).
then, you also have an issue of an avg. of 14 new drafted rookies on each team. that's alot of new faces on what could be a short time to prepare (as if the lockout goes through next season, it probably won't be resolved until next summer).
lots of hairy stuff here which is why I think this upcoming season happens even if it's a shorter season (maybe a 10 game season or something along those lines)
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I want to see this team win. I want to see this team take the field and KNOW they have an advantage, and I think they can do it in one draft.
This is a turnaround, but it may be just a wake up to reality, If the Browns are going to win, they are going to have to create turnovers with their defense.
The players who create turnovers don't last long, and I think you can see a few profiles of players who you can say, They have it, they are athletes, they force the fumbles, they score touchdowns on defense.
Then you look at what the team did in 2010, not the season, the draft,
With what they did, in getting Ward and Haden, and other moves to solidify the Secondary, the thinking is , they could really have an advantage if they could get one of the Top Pass rushers in this draft.
I think there was a draft circa 1990, I think it included Dan Footman, Pio Sagapultele,
After the draft, ( which indcluded 3 or 4 defensive linemen ) someone asked the owner, about not addressing some other area of the defense, and his response was
Were going to have a Really good pass rush. And I think it worked out, in the long run it turned into an advantage for the team.
I'm really thinking, that IF! They were to get a Dynamic Pass rusher with the first pick, and afterwards follow that up with 2 picks on the defensive line, and also find one standout receiver in the draft, that together
( finishing out the draft with some depth linebackers) that together
If you get maybe 5 draft picks in the area of the front 7 on defense, that together they would compliment each other and really give this Browns Team an advantage on defense
that you KNOW and everybody knows when they take the field, on defense that they are going to create a turnover, and the Browns might actually be able to get some wins in the AFC north race.
Especially if you conside how that would compliment what they did in 2010, and how you still have the Factor of Hardesty, who has yet to play, and 1 receiver addition, to make this offense better.
If they Actually could become a team, that has a real pass rusher on DE, and a real pass rusher at DT, and 5 solid coverage players .
Could they trade down 6 spots in the first round and pick up a 3rd rd pick for it.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I thought Mitch Mustain could have been a Matt Cassel type sleeper in the draft. Not anymore. He was arrested on drug charges. And it was in California so you know it isn't weed.
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HAHA what an idiot. Really made a great decision transfering to USC.
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It ended up being a horrible decision, but at the time it looked good.
He didn't know Carroll would have a man crush on Barkley.
He probably thought he would start at least one year at USC.
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I'm not real familiar with the levels of drug charges ..... but I can't recall every seeing a felony narcotics charge for any amount of pot.
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That's what I'm saying.
Especially in California.
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He has a narcotics charge.
I don't think that's pot anywhere, is it? I think that's the much harder stuff anywhere.
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He has a narcotics charge.
I don't think that's pot anywhere, is it? I think that's the much harder stuff anywhere.
My thought too. Hard stuff....like the date rape drugs or something.
What an idiot!
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He has a narcotics charge.
I don't think that's pot anywhere, is it? I think that's the much harder stuff anywhere.
My thought too. Hard stuff....like the date rape drugs or something.
What an idiot!
Or crack, cocaine, prescription opiates, heroin, meth, etc. Could be any number of things.
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Mitch Mustain was arrested at 8:10 P.M. on Tuesday evening on the suspicion of a felony charge of selling prescription narcotics. Mustain, who was also not invited to the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine, will be lucky to get drafted after this stunt.
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We'd be more likely to draft Dave Mustaine at this point.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Jauron runs a cover 2 scheme so we need a ball hawk to compliment TJ.
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May be we could get Matt Roth on the franchise tag and see how he does at DE for us.
You want to pay Matt Roth the Average of the Top 5 DE's in the league?
Even if there is a Franchise Tag, which I doubt there will be...No way...
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People keep talking about this need for D-Line, but I've seen us pick two D-Linemen who didn't work out. I saw us pick Joe Haden, and it worked out great. Peterson might be able to bring the same thing to the team.
So by your logic, we're never allowed to draft things that don't work out again...
So...
QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, S... Are all out of the picture...
Hmm, makes for an easier draft board...
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If the year is uncapped ... I would be all for overpaying guys to bring them in here. I'd rather fill out our roster to get a team and worry about bringing in young talent at a timely pace then going into next year starting 2, 3, 4, maybe 5 undrafted rookies and 6th round picks.
If there is a cap, it's an entirely different story, but we're not attractive. We are a cold team in the bottom third of the league .. no free agent would want to willingly come here all else equal than go to a contender. We are going to have to overpay until we get to the top, and that's when players will take paycuts to get with and stay with us.
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Theres overpaying for FA's, then theres paying a guy top 5 money to play a position you don't even know he's any good at...
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Why do you think we would ???
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David Scott "Dave" Mustaine (born September 13, 1961 in La Mesa, California, USA) is the founder, main songwriter, guitarist, and lead vocalist for the American heavy metal band Megadeth
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Well we could always transition tag him as well .. paying him the average of the top 10 salaries. The NFL just announced that this will go on as planned. That's assuming that we don't sign him long term, in which case we could give him a bonus up front to make him happy. I don't know what the average is for top 5 d-ends this year, but if we can pay 7 mil to what Delhomme gave us  ... I'd be for having an experienced and serviceable guy on the edge for a few million than "save some cash" and let a guy be our opening day starter when he is still taking college classes now...
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Peppers got like 16 mil when Carolina tagged him...
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Well that's definitely a lot, but I wish we had a list of the top 10 highest paid d-ends... franchise tag is top 5 average, and the top 10 is for the transition tag.
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The defensive end level rose from $8.991 million in 2009 to 12.398 million in 2010, a jump of 38 percent. Among transition levels, the tag jumped from $7.777 million in 2009 to $10.193 million in 2010, an increase of 31.1 percent.
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People keep talking about this need for D-Line, but I've seen us pick two D-Linemen who didn't work out. I saw us pick Joe Haden, and it worked out great. Peterson might be able to bring the same thing to the team.
So by your logic, we're never allowed to draft things that don't work out again...
So...
QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, S... Are all out of the picture...
Hmm, makes for an easier draft board...
That leaves long snapper. We have shown we can draft those.
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$11 million for Roth? No thanks.
According to here that would have him making more money than people such as Jared Allen, Will Smith, Dwight Freeney and Justin Tuck.
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Didn't realize it was that high. Great find!
I obviously would not want to bring it to that level, heck we could pay almost ANY top free agent that ... or even a disgruntled player that in a trade, and get a lot more out of them than Roth
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Peppers got like 16 mil when Carolina tagged him...
Peppers got such a high amount because the franchised player gets either the average of the top 5 at the position or 120% of their previous year's salary, whichever is higher.
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
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Sheldon Brown is not a ball hawk anymore. He is a physical corner that jams guya at the LOS
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and then they run by him for a TD.
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...We could always cut him and call up Hank Poteat ..?
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And now that we've talked ourselves in circles...
Can everyone now see why I said we have at least 5-7 more pressing needs than FS right NOW? Free agency (if it exists) could change that, but not as things stand now no way. Again, in a perfect world where we only have a couple holes to plug, replacing Abe Elam and finding a ball hawk to pair with Ward would be right up there, but this team is about 5 years from being in a situation like that.
Which brings me back to my 2 win prediction, which I still stand by.
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I think we are at the point where we should just be collecting talent.
If Rahim Moore (or any other player) is available when we pick in the 2nd round and he is the highest rated player on our board we should take him.
Obviously there are exceptions. For example, if our front office/coaching staff thinks Colt McCoy is the guy then we don't take a QB. But there aren't many other positions where that applies. (Ward's spot, a guy that can play only left tackle or center etc.)
I guess what I'm really saying is, if there is a highly rated player sitting there for us to take at a position of need, we should take him. Even if a lower rated player at a position of greater need is available.
At the end of the day, a need is a need and we're going to have to fill it sooner or later. Might as well take the most talented guy available.
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I'll agree with you regarding the talent thing. That's why I'd fully support drafting Patrick Peterson at #6 if he's still there and AJ Green is gone. You don't pass on talent like that.
That being said, I wouldn't be too upset if we took Moore with our 3rd or 4th round pick. Realistically I think he goes somewhere late 2nd/early 3rd round so probably a moot point for us anyway.
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I'll sig bet you that we win more than 2 games.
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