cand...I watched some video of Houston and he is impressive coming off the corner and with his never quit motor. The Browns could use someone like him...or him.
Quote: Another guy that has impressed me is Sanzenbacher (I know I'm a homer). He is perfect for the slot, and can be had in the later rounds of the draft.
To me this proves you are not a homer. Now if you think we should grab him in the 3rd, not only would you be a homer but a fool as well.
For all of you guys who haven't watched OSU much, do not go by measurables, or even his numbers. He constantly bailed Pryor out with unbelievable plays. Pryor has not been very accurate on deep throws but Dane makes his numbers much better.
I don't think I would call someone a fool for thinking Dane could be or should be drafted in the 3rd round. Jordan Shipley was drafted in the 3rd round last year.
Quote: I don't think I would call someone a fool for thinking Dane could be or should be drafted in the 3rd round. Jordan Shipley was drafted in the 3rd round last year.
What did Shipley do that Dane didn't? Someone just said Dane was always bailing out Pryor. Didn't Shipley have one of the best college QB's throwing to him for 4 years. One known for his accuracy.
40: 4.55 20Y Shuttle: 3rd among WR, 3.97 60Y Shuttle: 2nd among WR, 10.94 3-Cone Drill: 2nd among WR, 6.46 Broad Jump: 9' 10"
Those are Dane's combine #'s...
Shipley's #'s were
4.6-40 and 9' 8" Broad Jump. No other times because of a groin issue at the combine. However, at his pro day he went 4.52 40, 4.22 20 yard shuttle, 6.92 3 cone, and 10' broad jump.
I would say looking at the #'s and the film that there is no way someone should be called a "fool" for thinking Dane could or should be taken in the 3rd round.
Quote: What did Shipley do that Dane didn't? Someone just said Dane was always bailing out Pryor. Didn't Shipley have one of the best college QB's throwing to him for 4 years. One known for his accuracy.
40: 4.55 20Y Shuttle: 3rd among WR, 3.97 60Y Shuttle: 2nd among WR, 10.94 3-Cone Drill: 2nd among WR, 6.46 Broad Jump: 9' 10"
Those are Dane's combine #'s...
Shipley's #'s were
4.6-40 and 9' 8" Broad Jump. No other times because of a groin issue at the combine. However, at his pro day he went 4.52 40, 4.22 20 yard shuttle, 6.92 3 cone, and 10' broad jump.
I would say looking at the #'s and the film that there is no way someone should be called a "fool" for thinking Dane could or should be taken in the 3rd round.
Dane is the only guy I have pimped. I'm also the one who said anyone thinking he should be a 3rd round pick is a fool. I think he will be a very successful slot receiver. His draft grade varies bit it is much later then the 3rd round. I think Scott Wright has him listed as the 27th? wide receiver.
After the combine his stock may increase but as of know he would be a huge reach.
• The running backs took their turn in Indy today and while nobody was expected to challenge Chris Johnson's 4.24 forty the cumulative times were a tad disappointing for the second year in a row. In fact, only two prospects clocked official times in the 4.3's. Maryland’s Da’Rel Scott turned in the fastest forty with a 4.34 but the real surprise was Auburn’s Mario Fannin running a 4.38. Fannin is a guy I’ve been high on since the start of the year but even I didn’t expect the 'tweener to come anywhere close to a 4.3. Fannin is going to be a nice backup running back or West Coast fullback at the next level. Alabama’s Mark Ingram is the consensus top rated running back and basically performed as expected. Ingram, who isn’t a blazer, only clocked a 4.62 but his ten yard split was excellent. Ingram is still a solid first round pick, despite that lackluster forty time. One player who stood out was Jordan Todman of UConn, who ran a 4.40 and looked fast and athletic in the positional drills. Oklahoma’s DeMarco Murray showcased his gamebreaking speed with a 4.41 while Derrick Locke of Kentucky, a former track star, came through came through with a 4.40. Mike LeShoure of Illinois, who could be the second runner selected in April, checked in with a 4.59 and that is more than respectable for a 227 pounder. One player who opened some eyes and could be an intriguing late round pick is Allen Bradford of USC, who ran a 4.58 at 242 pounds. Roy Helu, Jr. of Nebraska ran a 4.42 and Brandon Saine of Ohio St. ran a 4.43, but unfortunately they look much better on paper and in shorts than they do on the film. Everyone was anxious to see Ryan Williams of Virginia Tech and while the former Hokie only ran in the mid-to-high 4.5 range he did look awfully impressive in the various drills. As far as disappointments go, tiny Jacquizz Rodgers of Oregon St. only ran a 4.64 at 5-5⅞ and 196 pounds while Wisconsin’s John Clay unofficially clocked times in the high-4.7 to low4-8 range despite losing a ton of weight since the end of the season. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday (2/27) @ 4:00pm Central
Wideouts Work Out
• The 2011 Scouting Combine finally got it’s first taste of real speed when the wide receivers took the field. Ultimately this group didn’t post the type of blazing times we’ve become accustomed to (i.e. Jacoby’s Ford’s 4.28 from last year) but there were still some eye-opening results. Alabama’s Julio Jones was not only the headliner for the wideouts but may be the leader in the clubhouse for this year’s most impressive performance regardless of position. Jones, who was expected to run a mid-4.5, blazed a 4.39 forty and added an amazing 11’3 broad jump and a 38 ½-inch vertical leap. Meanwhile, A.J. Green of Georgia ran a very respectable 4.48 and more than held his own. Even though Jones was faster than expected let’s not go overboard and start putting him ahead of Green. Anyone who had Green ahead of Jones prior to the Combine shouldn’t be swayed by less than one tenth of a second. Rely on the tape, it never lies. The two fastest times were turned in by a couple of small school standouts, with Edmond Gates of Abilene Christian and Ricardo Lockette of Fort Valley St. clocking 4.37’s. Leonard Hankerson of Miami (FL) also surprised and answered those questions about his speed by running a 4.43, which should solidify the Hurricane pass catcher as a second round pick. Maryland’s Torrey Smith wasn’t able to match Darrius Heyward-Bey, another former Terp, but still posted a solid 4.43. A couple of all-around threats also looked good, with Kentucky’s Randall Cobb and Troy’s Jerrel Jernigan both running 4.46’s. Denarius Moore of Tennessee was already shooting up draft boards in recent weeks and the 4.45 he ran in Indy could put him in the mid-round mix. Also keep an eye on North Carolina’s Greg Little, who ran a 4.53 at 6-2½ and 231 pounds. One player who didn’t live up to lofty expectations was Jon Baldwin of Pittsburgh, who was reportedly poised to run in the 4.3’s but only managed a 4.50 and didn’t perform very well in the drills either. Vincent Brown of San Diego St. also disappointed, at least in the forty, when he was only able to run in the high-4.6’s. Make no mistake about it though, Julio Jones was the star and the guy everyone is buzzing about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday (2/27) @ 3:30pm Central
Passing Grades?
• With all but Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert intending to do a full workout in Indy, this morning’s quarterback session was highly-anticipated and certainly didn’t lack for star power. The speed battle between Washington’s Jake Locker and Auburn’s Cam Newton turned out to be a wash, with both clocking impressive 4.59 times. Gabbert was also faster than expected and showed off his sneaky athleticism with a 4.62. Ryan Mallett of Arkansas opted not to run, which was probably a good thing since they may have had to break out a sundial to time the Razorbacks signal caller. The top two times belonged to Virginia Tech’s Tyrod Taylor (4.51) and Nevada’s Colin Kaepernick (4.53). When it came time for the positional drills, Mallett did his best to make everyone forget about yesterday’s press conference snafu by putting on a show. Then again, everyone knew Mallett would shine in an environment like the Scouting Combine. Mallett’s problem is that he absolutely crumbles when there is any pressure from defenders. Locker was also extremely impressive and, at least for today, seemed to have corrected some of the issues that made his accuracy so spotty at the Senior Bowl. Christian Ponder of Florida St. also looked good and after a lackluster senior campaign is really starting to generate some positive momentum. Kaepernick also stood out at times, showcasing that cannon of an arm. Newton was the guy everyone wanted to see though, but unfortunately the Heisman Trophy winner struggled mightily. It looks like Newton will need a strong showing at his Pro Day to alleviate those concerns that he is more of an athlete than a quarterback. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday (2/26) @ 3:30pm Central
Mallett Self-Destructs?
• It’s rare to see a prospect damage their draft stock at a press conference but Ryan Mallett of Arkansas may have done just that today. In what should have come as no surprise, Mallett was repeatedly asked about the widespread drug rumors that have been swirling around him for more than a year. Mallett steadfastly refused to talk about the subject and said NFL teams knew what they needed to and that he’d discuss it with them. All Mallett had to do was deny the rumors were true and it would’ve been over but he didn’t despite multiple opportunities. Frustrated by the line of questioning, Mallett reportedly ended the presser rather abruptly and left the podium. In his first real taste of intense national media scrutiny, Mallett certainly did not respond well. It’s a good thing he’s not interviewing for a high-profile job like NFL quarterback! Mallett had to have been prepared by his people to expect those types of inquiries so the way he handled the situation is extremely troublesome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday (2/26) @ 3:00pm Central
Tight End's Hit the Turf
• Those who know football realize that tight ends are usually some of the best athletes in the game, so it’s always fun to see them take the field at the Scouting Combine. However, this year the results were somewhat mixed. Notre Dame’s Kyle Rudolph, the consensus top player at the position, is still recovering from an injury and didn’t participate so that was a big hit from a star-power perspective. Wisconsin’s Lance Kendricks, who most have pegged as the second best tight end in this class, ran a 4.75 forty and did a solid job in the drills. Everyone expected Nevada’s Virgil Green to shine and while he certainly stood out with eye-popping marks in both the vertical leap (42½-inches) and broad jump (10-foot, 10-inches) his 4.64 forty time was well short of the 4.4 some were anticipating. Casual fans might have been surprised by the performances of Florida Atlantic’s Rob Housler (4.55) and USC’s Jordan Cameron (4.59) but hard-core draftniks already knew those two athletic pass catching specialists were going to show well in Indy. A couple of small school prospects also made their mark, with Portland State’s Julius Thomas and Northern Iowa’s Schuylar Oordt both earning positive reviews from scouts. Unfortunately South Carolina’s Weslye Saunders, who didn’t play in 2010 due to a suspension, was forced to drop out of the workout after medical checks revealed a broken bone in his foot. That could be a serious blow for Saunders, who must now undergo surgery and may not be able to test for scouts prior to the draft. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday (2/26) @ 1:00pm Central
Big Uglies Hit the Field
• The offensive linemen were the first two groups to hit the turf for on-field testing at the 2011 Scouting Combine. The star of the day was Boston College’s Anthony Castonzo, who looked very polished. There is little doubt that Castonzo made some money in Indy, possibly propelling himself into the Top 20 overall. Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi also stood out and may have solidified himself as a first round pick. TCU’s Marcus Cannon looked terrific, running a 5.26 forty while also excelling in the positional drills. Cannon carries that 358 pounds extremely well. On the other hand, Florida State’s Rodney Hudson has bulked up to 299 pounds and looked almost sloppy but he still looked great in the drills and made a positive impression. As expected, Colorado’s Nate Solder looked outstanding, running a 5.05 and looking smooth and athletic in the drills. If only Solder was as good in pads as he is in shorts… Syracuse’s Ryan Bartholomew opened some eyes with his performance, finishing near the top of his group in most of the testing. The fastest forty for an offensive lineman was a 4.93 run by Cincinnati’s Jason Kelce, a former linebacker, while Houston’s Isaiah Thompson brought up the rear with unofficial clockings of 6.01 and 6.04. Unfortunately USC’s Tyron Smith, who was expected to blow the lid off of Lucas Oil Stadium, is still recovering from a knee injury and did not work out.
So far I gotta say the kid from Georgia has impressed the hell out of me. Dobbs is making some money today. Loose hips, and quick feet. Hot whats the scoop on him.
Dontay Moch sticks out among defensive linemen workouts
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 28, 2011, 11:28 AM EST
This year’s defensive line class is generally viewed as one of the best and deepest defensive line classes in recent memory. On Monday morning, the big fellas showed how well they can run in a straight line.
Nevada’s Dontay Moch turned in a ridiculous performance, with an unofficial 4.35 forty and 42-inch vertical leap. Moch will likely be an outside linebacker as a pro, but those are crazy numbers for a 248-pound kid.
UNC’s Robert Quinn ran a 4.73 unofficially, with a 1.66 split. While that’s very impressive, Quinn’s numbers throughout his workout on Monday haven’t quite “blown up the combine” as NFL Network’s Mike Mayock anticipated.
Other notable defensive line prospects impressed and we’ll list some of the interesting times below. Remember that each time is unofficial, and we’ll include each player’s 10-yard split first. (That number probably matters more for this position.)
Quote: Von Miller, another guy I wouldn't be mad at with the 6th pick. Those guys are starting to add up (Green, Jones, Miller, Peterson)
I would agree with you if we were still a 3-4 team. As a 3-4 OLB he would have the same impact Merrimen and Matthews had upon entering the league. However, as a 4-3 OLB his impact will be severely hampered by scheme. He is too small to play a 4-3 DE.
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I think in 'some' schemes he might be better off in the WLB position then in the 34, because of his range and closing speed. He won't have to shed OT blocks as much. He will need to work on his drops and coverage techniques in either defense. Miller has the speed and is able to flatten out in pursuit which will allow him to run RB's down from behind.
And as an outside blitzer he will have help by the DE on his side. Plus it's an easier defense to learn.
Miller seems like the kind of kid that could play anywhere in either scheme/alignment,...can't pass on Peterson at six though,...and Von probably won't last past first round.
I say forget him (in the the lack of knowledge of a trade down/extra pick deal).
Quote: Miller seems like the kind of kid that could play anywhere in either scheme/alignment,...can't pass on Peterson at six though,...and Von probably won't last past first round.
I say forget him (in the the lack of knowledge of a trade down/extra pick deal).
Even if he was to fall past the Bills and Cardinals, Miller would still not be the #1 on my board. A few might allready be off the board too. The top rated DL or Green or Peterson would still be higher on my board.
Yeah, that's my thing... I really want us to snag Dareus because he's by far the best option for us at DT, but it seems unlikely he'll last to 6. It's possible, though, with Miller shooting up and so many teams needing QBs that he or Bowers could fall, depending if the teams like bowers or quinn better. It's still a toss-up. I just hope it doesn't come down to dareus, quinn, green, peterson, and bowers are gone 1-5, then were stuck with hoping Fairley was kidding about cold weather or taking a guy like Miller or Jordan. I'd be fine with Julio Jones but I don't think Heckert will take him at 6.
I didn't think that he looked very fluid in drills today. I think he'd do best when his main focus is to rush the passer and not drop back into any coverage. That being said, as FL_Dawg said, he could end up a WLB in a 4-3. I just don't think a 4-3 team would take him as high as he'd go to a 3-4 team.
Regarding some of the other linebackers today; Greg Jones looked slow and not very fluid in drills. Martez Wilson looked very good to me in drills. Mason Foster didn't look great but didn't look bad either. Mark Herzlich didn't run a good time, but looked decent in the drills. It will be interesting to see where he ends up. He has heart and character, but can he regain his old speed and form? I only saw Quan Sturdivant run one drill and like Foster, didn't look great and didn't look bad. Kelvin Sheppard looked like his hands were made of stone. Colin McCarthy looked pretty good in drills. Homan was faster than I thought, and also looked decent in drills. I think he improved his stock today. There were 2 UConn guys out there (not sure of the names, neither looked very fast or fluid.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head. I love watching this thing.
Edit: Brian Rolle looked small out there. Looked quick and somewhat fluid overall - I kind of wonder if he could lose 10-15 lbs and convert to safety?
Quote: There were 2 UConn guys out there (not sure of the names, neither looked very fast or fluid.
Well, this is surprising to me. Lawrence Wilson looked terrific at the senior bowl in coverage and I expected his drills to be really good. For a smaller guy who's trying to play linebacker, these are the kinds of things here you should show up really well.
Quote: Colin McCarthy looked pretty good in drills.
McCarthy is a guy I'd be very happy to have on our team, but I think he may go in the third and I doubt we take an ILB that high unless Wilson falls to our 2nd.
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Thanks.