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Derek Hagan played well for the Giants filling in for guys with injuries (223 yards in four starts). I would like to take a look at him, he's only 26.

Also, Jacoby Jones from the Texans. He has all the physical abilities in the world, but will never be the #1 in Houston last year he had 562 yards in 7 starts. He's also only 26.

I like Jacoby Jones alot.

Derek Hagan might also be worth a look
As far as the UFA WR's. I don't know that he would be an up-grade or not?

This free agent class is really stacking up to be a great one. Terrific class of DT's and DE's.

Jacoby is a major dropper (as I'm sure you know from having Texans games on every week.)

Here's a look at 2011 DL FA:

Defensive Ends:

Matt Roth – CLE
Marcus Spears – DAL
Cullen Jenkins – GB
Shaun Smith – KC
Gerard Warren – NE
Jimmy Wilkerson – NO
Trevor Pryce – NYJ
Richard Seymour – OAK
Nick Eason – PIT
Jacques Cesaire – SD
Jason Babin – TEN
Ryon Bingham
Reggie Hayward
Kenyon Coleman
Kenny Iwebema – ARZ


Jamaal Anderson – ATL (4)
Charles Johnson – CAR (4)
Victor Adeyanju – CIN (3)
Jayme Mitchell – CLE (5)
Stephen Bowen – DAL (5)
Jason Hatcher – DAL (5)
Marcus Thomas – DEN (4)
Kevin Vickerson – DEN (5)
Turk McBride – DET (4)
Cliff Avril – DET (3)
Andre Fluellen – DET (3)
Johnny Jolly – GB (5)
Mark Anderson – HOU (5)
Keyunta Dawson – IND (4)
Wallace
Gilberry – KC (3)
Nate Garner – MIA (3)
Brian Robison – MIN (4)
Ray Edwards – MIN (5)
Eric Moore – NE (5)
Jeff Charleston – NO (4)
Dave Tollefson – NYG (4)
Mathias Kiwanuka – NYG (5)
Victor Abiamiri – PHI (4)
Jay Richardson – SEA (4)
Stylez White – TB (4)
Tim Crowder – TB (4)
Dave Ball – TEN (3)
Jacob Ford – TEN (4)
Kedric Golston – WAS (5)

Defensive Tackles:

Bryan Robinson – ARZ
Anthony Adams – CHI
Robaire Smith - CLE
Shaun Rogers
Ronald Fields – DEN
Shaun Cody – HOU
Ron Edwards – KC
Pat Williams – MIN
Anthony Hargrove – NO
Remi Ayodele – NO
Shaun Ellis – NYJ
John Henderson – OAK
Chris Hoke – PIT
Travis Johnson – SD
Aubrayo Franklin – SF
Chris Hovan – STL
Jay Alford
Tank Tyler


Gabe Watson – ARI (5)
Alan Branch – ARI (4)
Haloti Ngata – BAL (5)
John McCargo – BUF (5)
Derek Landri – CAR (4)
Nick Hayden – CAR (3)
Ed Johnson – CAR (4)
Matt Toeaina – CHI (4)
Eric Foster – IND (3)
Antonio Johnson – IND (4)
Dan Muir – IND (4)
Atiyyah Ellison – KC (3)
Derrick Robinson – CLE (4)
Paul Soliai – MIA (4)
Tony McDaniel – MIA (5)
Fred Evans – MIN (5)
Barry Coefield – NYG (5)
Brandon Mebane – SEA (4)
Junior Siavii – SEA (5)
Ray McDonald – SF (4)
Clifton Ryan – STL (4)
C.J. Ah You – STL (3)
Gary Gibson – (5)

[Turquoise]= UFA
(_)= accrued years.

Free agents Browns might target
Feb 10th, 2011 @ 5:04 pm by Steve Doerschuk

Cleveland isn’t big enough for Braylon, but B-17 isn’t big enough to get a sniff anywhere close to the top of the Sporting News list of the top free agents.
The Browns-turned-Jets wideout is ranked 46th on the fresh-out-of-the-oven (but subject to being tweaked) Sporting News top 99.
You’re more interested in players the Browns might actually sign, we’ll guess.
Defensive tackle Barry Cofield (No. 51) is a possibility. He grew up in the Cleveland area and helped the Giants win a Super Bowl in their 4-3.
Mike Holmgren has been known to give guys second chances. Santonio Holmes’ 2010 offseason misdeeds won’t keep the Browns from inquiring about Steelers-turned-Jets wideout Santonio Holmes (No. 15).
Lance Moore (No. 56) has spent six years with the Saints, topping 65 catches in two of the last three years. His quickness and ability to get open on short routes fit a West Coast mentality. He played for Westerville North High School and then for the Toledo Rockets.
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The top 10 overall:
1, QB Peyton Manning; 2, DT Haloti Ngata; 3, CB Nnamdi Asomugha; 3, QB Michael Vick; 5, WR Vincent Jackson; 6, LB LaMarr Woodley; 7, RB DeAngelo Williams; 8, CB Champ Bailey; 9, FB Le’Ron McClain; 10, LB Tamba Hali.
Reminders that Phil should have picked Ngata, not Wimbley, keep coming up.
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The next 10:
11, C Ryan Kalil; 12, G Logan Mankins; 13, TE Owen Daniels; 14, WR Sidney Rice; 15, WR Santonio Holmes; 16, WR Malcom Floyd; 17, P Michael Koenen; 18, CB Antonio Cromartie; 19, DE Cullen Jenkins; 20, DT Brandon Mebane.
There’s no chance the Browns get Mankins, 28. They already had a lopsided investment in the O-line with Mack, Steinbach and Thomas and must conserve money to extend Thomas’ deal after 2011.
Holmes? Hmmmmm.
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The Sporting News is not impressed with outgoing Browns talent.
But then, you weren’t impressed by anything Eric Wright did in 2010, either. He didn’t make the top 99. Neither did the other free agent from the Browns’ starting 2010 secondary, Abe Elam.
LB D’Qwell Jackson is the only 2010 Brown to be mentioned, at No. 82.
Jackson told us in December he is better suited to a 4-3. He might be a useful player who can be talked into staying, but given his pectoral problems in ‘09 and ‘10, he’ll probably wind up signing a short-term, low-dollar deal.
Jackson turns 28 in September.

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Matt Roth’s exclusion from the list isn’t likely to burst his bubble. All it takes is a GM or two who think he’s a rock and the list is all wet.

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One of the worst mistakes on the list, I think, is burying safety Donte Whitner all the way down at No. 69.

Whitner shouldn’t have been a top-10 pick, as he was with the Bills in 2006, but he is a very good player. He also is a Cleveland native. He played high school ball at Glenville before going to Ohio State.

Whitner can play strong safety or free safety. T.J. Ward and Whitner could be a very nice pair.

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You realize this list doesn’t mean much as long as the league and the union keep running their game of chicken with the CBA. Heckert is proceeding as if if he’ll need to sign people at a moment’s notice in March.

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I really want BOTH Brandon Mebane and Barry Cofield..

o.. i didnt know they were Restricted.. if thats the case, then nevermind.

DT Barry Cofield is a 5th year guy, so there is an outside chance with a new CBA he will become an UFA, but because we are extending the 2010 FA rules (witch was unique) without a new CBA.
Right now they (5 year) are being considered RFA, but there is a slim chance that will change. Slim because thete is a slim chance that we will have a new CBA any time soon.

Thanks Y-Town,for posting this article on page one of this very same threrad.

J/C

Didn't want to start another thread, but thought since it was about a FA, I would put it here.


Updated Feb 16, 2011 2:54 PM ET
BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP)
The Buffalo Bills released defensive lineman Marcus Stroud in a move on Wednesday that freed up salary and playing time for the team's young and developing players.


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Stroud's departure was not considered a surprise after the 10-year NFL veteran struggled in making the transition in Buffalo's switch to a 3-4 defensive scheme. Stroud was scheduled to make $10 million in base salary over the final two years of his contract, including $4.5 million next season.

Stroud also proved expendable after the Bills selected defensive linemen Torell Troup and Alex Carrington in the second and third rounds of the draft last year. Both are expected to compete for additional playing time next season.

The Bills had no comment aside from announcing Stroud's release.

Stroud is a three-time Pro Bowl selection, who completed his third season in Buffalo after being acquired in a trade with Jacksonville in March 2008.

He showed up to training camp in July leaner in preparing to make the switch from defensive tackle to end in the Bills' new scheme. However, he struggled along with an entire defense that finished 24th in the NFL in yards allowed and last in yards rushing. The Bills finished 4-12 and opened the season losing their first eight games.

Stroud finished last season with 49 tackles and three sacks - matching the most he had since 2007 - in 15 games, including 14 starts. In three seasons with Buffalo, he had 7 1/2 sacks in 46 games.


Anybody think this would be a good FA pick up? Not for $10 million, but at a decent contract if possible. I don't know how it works with him being released, would he have to be paid what Buffalo owed him? Seems like a solid vet, and a 4-3 guy.

Stroud could be an excellent pickup for the 4-3 .... if he would play for a minimum type contract with incentives.

He's getting older, and that doesn't necessarily mean that he's declined badly .... but .... he didn't transition to the 3-4 at all ..... and there is a slight chance that this could be age related. I woudl definitely take a chance on the guy, as long as the contract was one that could be dumped without major consequences if he did "just get old" in Buffalo.

I would bring him in to see what his medical condition is.

Like YTown said. He never adapted to the 34.
He was a force with Jacksonville, playing DT his natural position in their 43
(I think money was an issue in Jacksonville), but who knows what he has left in the tank. Stroud might afford us some time to develop some rookies.

By Jason La Canfora ?NFL Network

NFL Network Insider

The St. Louis Rams have released safety O.J. Atogwe, a league source said Friday.

Atogwe knew this was a distinct possibility, given the nature of his contract. He had an $8 million roster bonus due Feb. 21, which in essence forced a decision from the Rams, who have used their franchise tag on Atogwe in the past and re-signed him as a free agent last year.


"This is a decision we have made at this time with O.J. We will continue to explore all of our options at the safety position like we will with every other position on our football team," said Rams general manager Billy Devaney in a statement Friday.

Atogwe now is free to negotiate and sign with any team.

"It’s disappointing to be back in this situation, again," Atogwe told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Friday. "Not being able to actually be set at this point in time in my career, with my relationship with the Rams, it’s disappointing."

Atogwe remains open to a return with the team that drafted him in the third round of the 2005 NFL Draft.

"My agent and myself have established a really good negotiating relationship with (the Rams), so were we to do something again ... I don't believe it'd be a difficult task," Atogwe told the newspaper Saturday. "Because there's no bad blood there. We should be able to get something done."

Atogwe, a six-year veteran, started 15 games in 2010 and finished with 73 tackles, two sacks, two forced fumbles and three interceptions.

Who was the safety that was released last off-season under similar circumstances, that many here wanted, and who wound up re-signing with his old team.

I thought it was Otagwe, but maybe not.

I seem to recall that whoever it was, he was someone I thought that Browns should take a look at .... but old-timers has set in and I can't remember who it was.

I believe it was Mr Otagwe himself.

I think he was franchised last season. He never signed the tender making him a free agent after a certain date. Then the Rams re-signed him.

Something along those lines.

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I'd like to go after him because we need a FS, he's pretty good, and there aren't many decent FS available in FA or the draft this year.

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I think that he would not come cheap, but he is some what of a ball hawk with 22 INT's in his 6 seasons and is still in the prime of his career at 29 years old.

I think that Ward could have less coverage responsibilities and he would be more of a factor in the run game and blitz packages.
I would like to see us in the bidding game for his services.

nfl.com

Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Sidney Rice will not agree to a new deal before the collective bargaining agreement expires, a league source said Sunday.

The Vikings have been talking to Rice and would like to sign him to a long-term contract extension before the CBA expires at the end of the day Thursday, but the 2009 Pro Bowl selection is willing to take his chances in free agency.

Vikings coach Leslie Frazier last week told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that signing Rice was "a high, high priority."

"I didn't want him to be sensitive about the fact that it was (linebacker) Chad (Greenway) being franchised instead of Sidney," Frazier said Friday . "That does not mean that we're not going to do right by Sidney, but we couldn't franchise both of them. We want to get Sidney signed and take care of him, because he's going to take care of our football team."

Rice, who's heading into his fifth NFL season, isn't averse to re-signing with the Vikings and would consider them during free agency.

Rice had a breakout season in 2009, starting 14 games for the Vikings and making 83 receptions for 1,312 yards and eight touchdowns. He was limited to six games last season after undergoing hip surgery in August, catching 17 passes, two for scores.

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So should we go after him with two guns blazing or not?

Pay him top 5-10 money I do not care.

Please get him heckert.

The question is, do we think he is the real deal. He has only had more than 31 receptions and 396 yards once in his career. That was also the only year he was fully healthy and had a real quarterback at the helm in Favre. So, I dont know if it was his ability, Favre's ability (and the addition of Percy Harvin to help open things up), or both?

Grabbing him would probably mean we could focus on the defensive line with 3 of the first 4 picks however ...

I'd rather go after Santonio Holmes.

Fair enough, as I said I don't have judgements about the guy one way or another. IF he would fit in well to the BROWNS offense, then I would be willing to break the bank on him. It would allow us to focus on the defensive side of the ball and the BPA come the draft.

If he is only a "big name" in free agency, then I would hope we could see that and be scared away.