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If Carimi was available in the 3rd and Curtis Brown was available to us in the 4th, I'd be pretty amazed (and happy). I think Brewer can be had at least a round later, and maybe 2, but I like him as a player. I think I'd rather have Carpenter than Brewer if we were taking our RT in the third, though. I think Devlin and Dalton would be wastes of picks (Devlin moreso) but yeah, Holmgren has basically said "we're taking a QB" so at least the 6th would be the place to burn a pick.

I agree except for Devlin. No thanks.

Well, not crazy about that list

Course you're not..

Reed and Conte are way overated

As compare to whom?
I see this differently..I see them looking at guys that may still be on the board if their premium choice is gone.
Same thing as last year.
As far as your Von Miller take..I can't say if he's a bad investment or not.I know his production is as good as anyones..I am suspect as to his abilities at dropping in coverage and setting the edge on run plays but if he's really got the instincts ,that will come.If he can't get stronger thats a problem.But U just need to remember what Heckert said..they want a undersized(athletic DE) and they know they're going to give up something on the outside edge
but getting to the QB is their primary goal.
The only way I will be ticked if he and Dareus are on the board and they take Miller..it will resemble Wimbley vs Ngata again.will not fair to Miller ,he has had 32 sacks in his career..not 12.

They are overrated to where they most likely will be picked (Reed in the 2nd, maybe even late 1st and Conte in the 2nd to 4th) ...

also, can someone tell me what's the difference between Von Miller and Dontay Moch? cause I can't see many

Mock Update:

Round 1:

Pick #1: Carolina Panthers - Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
Pick #2: Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Pick #3: Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
Pick #4: Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Pick #5: Arizona Cardinals - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Pick #6: Cleveland Browns - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Pick #7: San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Pick #8: Tennessee Titans - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Pick #9: Dallas Cowboys - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
Pick #10: Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Pick #11: Jacksonville Jaguars (from Texans) - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Pick #12: Minnesota Vikings - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Pick #13: Detroit Lions - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
Pick #14: St. Louis Rams - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pick #15: Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Pick #16: Houston Texans (from Jaguars) - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Pick #17: New England Patriots (from Oakland) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue

The difference is that Moch is probably the biggest defensive liability i have ever seen on a college football field when it comes to pass rushers. He has completely terrible play recognition. He can't shed a block to save his life. Nevada schemed to put him on the short side of the field because they had zero faith in him setting an edge against the run.

well, that's my point....you think Von Miller will shed blocks and play the run/set the edge against NFL talent if he wasn't good at the College level? I really don't think it makes much of a difference if you're horrible or bad at those things in College, since you will only get drafted if you do something else really, really good....and they both do...similar stats, similar skill set...what justifies one being a Top 10 pick and the other a 3rd rounder?

I am curious to why you think Cincy will go for Green and not the QB?

I find most people's mocks are a complete joke (how many people actually go through every pick and know who they are talking about ) so I haven't kept up with this thread. I will apologize in advance if this has been covered. I usually find your opinions interesting even when I do not agree.

No problem, usually I opened an own thread for this mock, but I didn't want to clutter the board. I didn't pick Green for Cincy, some Cincy fan did it...I take part in a 32GM mock (for 5+years now) and I just pick (and maybe trade for) the Browns...it's a month long 7 round draft with 4-5picks a day (speeding up after 4 rounds to get it in in time)....it's fun and pretty competitive since most other GMs are diehards of the teams they pick for, just like me

Last pick for today just in:

Round 1:

Pick #1: Carolina Panthers - Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
Pick #2: Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Pick #3: Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
Pick #4: Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Pick #5: Arizona Cardinals - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Pick #6: Cleveland Browns - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Pick #7: San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Pick #8: Tennessee Titans - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Pick #9: Dallas Cowboys - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
Pick #10: Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Pick #11: Jacksonville Jaguars (from Texans) - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Pick #12: Minnesota Vikings - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Pick #13: Detroit Lions - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
Pick #14: St. Louis Rams - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pick #15: Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Pick #16: Houston Texans (from Jaguars) - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Pick #17: New England Patriots (from Oakland) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
Pick #18: San Diego Chargers - Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa

Update:

Round 1:

Pick #1: Carolina Panthers - Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
Pick #2: Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Pick #3: Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
Pick #4: Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Pick #5: Arizona Cardinals - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Pick #6: Cleveland Browns - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Pick #7: San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Pick #8: Tennessee Titans - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Pick #9: Dallas Cowboys - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
Pick #10: Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Pick #11: Jacksonville Jaguars (from Texans) - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Pick #12: Minnesota Vikings - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Pick #13: Detroit Lions - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
Pick #14: St. Louis Rams - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pick #15: Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Pick #16: Houston Texans (from Jaguars) - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Pick #17: New England Patriots (from Oakland) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
Pick #18: San Diego Chargers - Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Pick #19: Indianapolis Colts - Tyron Smith, OT, USC
Pick #20: Tampa Bay Buccanners - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
Pick #21: New Orleans Saints (from Chiefs) - Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
Pick #22: New York Giants - 23.3., 17:00-20:00 - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
Pick #23: Philadelphia Eagles - 23.3., 20:00-8:00 - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
Pick #24: Kansas City Chiefs (from Saints) - Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
Pick #25: Seattle Seahawks - Brandon Harris, CB, Miami

2 small trades:

Colts get #19 + # 116
Giants get #22 + #87

and

Saints get #21 + #117
Chiefs get #24 + #88

Prospects I'm eyeing for #37: DT Paea, G/RT Watkins, DE Sheard, WR T.Smith, also thinking about DE/OLB Huston as weakside DE...will try to trade down though, especially if the 2 DL are gone

We can really use 2 DEs in this draft. If Cameron Heyward is there, I say take him. I think both Jordan and Heyward have the skill set to play either end of the DL. Heyward can kick inside on 3rd down, too.

Here's a more complete list from 85percentsports.com ..7 of the 29 prospects the Browns brought in and met with are...CB's

Cam Newton QB, Auburn –
Andy Dalton QB, TCU –
Shane Vereen RB, California –
Demarco Murray RB, Oklahoma –
Noel Devine RB, West Virginia
Greg Salas WR, Hawaii –
Edmond Gates WR, Abilene Christian –
Gabe Carimi OT, Wisconsin –Tyron Smith OT, USC
James Brewer OT, Indiana –
John Moffitt OG, Wisconsin –
Will Rackley OG, Lehigh –
Da’Quan Bowers DE, Clemson –
Allen Bailey DL, Miami (FL) –
Nick Fairley DT, Auburn
Andrew Soucy DT, Eastern Kentucky –
Von Miller OLB, Texas A&M –
Casey Matthews LB, Oregon –
Mason Foster OLB, Washington –
Johnny Patrick CB, Louisville –
Patrick Peterson CB, LSU –
Curtis Brown CB, Texas –
Chris Culliver CB, South Carolina –
DeMarcus Van Dyke CB, Miami (FL) –
Buster Skrine CB, Chattanooga –
Chykie Brown CB, Texas –
Will Hill S, Florida –
Chris Conte S, California –
Eric Hagg FS, Nebraska –

j/c

Re-did my 2+ round mock, quite an overhaul. I went through our 3rd rounder and then just guestimated beyond that because I just don't have the time to do through our last pick. I suspect this won't be the average mock...


1 Carolina Panthers (2–14) Blaine Gabbert, QB
2 Denver Broncos (4–12) Marcell Dareus, DT
3 Buffalo Bills (4–12) Cameron Newton, QB
4 Cincinnati Bengals (4–12) Patrick Peterson, FS/CB
5 Arizona Cardinals (5–11) Von Miller, OLB
6 Cleveland Browns (5–11) Cameron Jordan, DE

then...
37 Marvin Austin, DT
70 Marcus Gilbert, OT
101 KJ Wright, OLB
137 Greg Salas, WR
163 Noel Devine, RB
165 DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB

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6 Cleveland Browns (5–11) Cameron Jordan, DE

then...
37 Marvin Austin, DT
70 Marcus Gilbert, OT
101 KJ Wright, OLB
137 Greg Salas, WR
163 Noel Devine, RB
165 DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB

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I would be very okay with this draft.

I would be disheartened passing up Bowers (and to a lesser extent Fairley) for Jordan (though I like him), but I agree that it would be a solid draft.

I am scared off by Bowers a little by the knee and the fact that he only had one monster season. I'm even more scared of Fairley as he is a JUCO transfer who had one monster year. I think Jordan is a very safe pick. If we wanted to go for highest upside I think Robert Quinn is the pick.

Van Dyke will be long gone by then . . .

I wouldn't argue w/ it though!

j/c

A few follow up comments:

1) the decision on Jordan vs Bowers (or Quinn) wasn't easy. I thought of Fairley and Green as well. But if I were a GM, Jordan was my decision. The ceiling on Bowers or Quinn may be higher than Jordan, but with more risk. We need a solid DE and I think Jordan will be solid or better. Fairley scares me and we have Rubin, so I went with a higher need. Green was actually my second choice behind Jordan.

2) Regarding Van Dyke - Draft Tek has him as 197th player.. He's not one Draft Countdown's top 100, and not in either of CBS or GBN's top 200. I'm sure there are plenty of other sites to use that has him higher, but I didn't look at them all. So, based on what I saw, I figured he might be available at 165 and I know we're looking at him. He may very well be gone then.

3) I'm not high on Devine, but think he could be a very good change of pace back - small and fast, and we're looking at him based on the post prior to my mock.

4) In the 2nd I felt my options were between Austin, Davon House, Ras-I Dowling (FS), and Mason Foster. There were more, but these were my top guys, with Foster and Dowling being slight reaches in my opinion. I chose Austin.

5) In 3, I felt my options were Gilbert, Dontay Moch, DeMarco Murray, Leonard Hankerson, Sam Acho and Chris Carter. I'm a Gilbert pimp, so the decision was easy. Carter would probably have been my 2nd choice.

I think its safe to say if a 1st round projected player isn't on that list we aren't picking them at 6. Last year Haden, Berry, and Thomas all came in for visits. And all 3 we know we were looking at picking... most likely Berry, Haden, Thomas in that order.

So looks like the guys we're looking at are...

Cam Newton QB, Auburn –
Gabe Carimi OT, Wisconsin –
Tyron Smith OT, USC
Da’Quan Bowers DE, Clemson –
Nick Fairley DT, Auburn
Von Miller OLB, Texas A&M –
Patrick Peterson CB, LSU –

Give me Peterson, Bowers, or Carimi in that order. Carimi I'd try and trade down a few slots if possible. But if not... It wouldn't be bad to have Thomas, Mack, and Carimi around for a few years.

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1) the decision on Jordan vs Bowers (or Quinn) wasn't easy. I thought of Fairley and Green as well. But if I were a GM, Jordan was my decision. The ceiling on Bowers or Quinn may be higher than Jordan, but with more risk. We need a solid DE and I think Jordan will be solid or better. Fairley scares me and we have Rubin, so I went with a higher need. Green was actually my second choice behind Jordan.

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So Green's available and u take Jordan???

I'm pretty damn sure everyone has Green in the top 3-5 BPA...If not 1 or 2...

And noone has a Jordan in that same slot...And maybe 7 and lower...

Brilliant...But by gosh we MUST HAVE a DE...

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Give me Peterson, Bowers, or Carimi in that order. Carimi I'd try and trade down a few slots if possible. But if not... It wouldn't be bad to have Thomas, Mack, and Carimi around for a few years.

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For a Carimi u best hope we go down to AT LEAST 17...If not more...

Or we got screwed by stupidity at 6 if he goes there...

Your opinions are yours and mine are mine. This is what I'd do if I were GM, like it or not.

Some comments to your mock:

- Jordan I like of course...

- Austin is the 2nd round version of Fairley...and if Paea is still there I think would be a much better choice...to much boom or bust with Austin and Paea can play the run too as an Under Tackle next to Rubin...he is a 3 down prospect...most other UTs are limited to pass rushing duties imho, Austin's 1 of them (Nevis another)

- scared off Gilbert now....would not have taken him before the 4th/5th anyway though...but I now have a pretty dismatnling report of him from a film guy I really trust. He has talent, no doubt...but for a 3rd he's too much of an underachiever.....Foster or some WR (Cobb?) makes more sense imho...from the guys on your list it would be Moch or Acho for me, even though I think they're better fits in a 3-4, but both can work as a 4-3 DE/WOLBs...so they might be 3down prospects

- really like KJ Wright in the 4th...he could take over for Fujita at SOLB

- Salas in the 5th would be a Mega-steal...I suspect him to go in the 3rd 80% with 10% chance of 2nd or 4th...no way 5th though

- both 6th rounders are solid developmental, high upside picks

Mock Update btw, 1st round is complete:

Round 1:

Pick #1: Carolina Panthers - Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
Pick #2: Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Pick #3: Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
Pick #4: Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Pick #5: Arizona Cardinals - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Pick #6: Cleveland Browns - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Pick #7: San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Pick #8: Tennessee Titans - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Pick #9: Dallas Cowboys - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
Pick #10: Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Pick #11: Jacksonville Jaguars (from Texans) - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Pick #12: Minnesota Vikings - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Pick #13: Detroit Lions - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
Pick #14: St. Louis Rams - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pick #15: Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Pick #16: Houston Texans (from Jaguars) - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Pick #17: New England Patriots (from Oakland) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE/ OLB, Purdue
Pick #18: San Diego Chargers - Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Pick #19: Indianapolis Colts - Tyron Smith, OT, USC
Pick #20: Tampa Bay Buccanners - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
Pick #21: New Orleans Saints (from Chiefs) - Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
Pick #22: New York Giants - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
Pick #23: Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
Pick #24: Kansas City Chiefs (from Saints) - Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
Pick #25: Seattle Seahawks - Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
Pick #26: Baltimore Ravens - Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
Pick #27: Atlanta Falcons - Justin Houston, DE/OLB, Georgia
Pick #28: New England Patriots - Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
Pick #29: Chicago Bears - Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
Pick #30: New York Jets - Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
Pick #31: Pittsburgh Steelers - Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
Pick #32: Green Bay Packers - Aaron Williams, CB, Texas

Paea was gone, for DT it was he or Taylor, and I view Taylor more of an NT and DT.

A lot of the Gilbert thoughts for me was listening to Sirius and hearing everyone rave about him during the Senior Bowl and practices. I didn't get to see him on tape or any games, so it was just some talking heads I trust (Gil Brandt for example) raving.

Per Salas, he will likely be gone earlier, yes. I had taken the average ranking in 4 different sites as the overall ranking. There's a lot of problem with that of course.

Per the draft you're involved in, not too dissimilar than mine. I like the Cleveland pick, obviously, and it is nice seeing a mock with Seattle not taking Mallett or Locker. Ponder or Caepernick (sp?) I could understand, but not at #25. I think Seattle goes D with #25 unless maybe Ingram falls to them.

Sounds like a nice athlete...but I'd go with 1 of these guys (nfldraftscout rankings):

WR C.Smith
DT Ogbu
RB Devine
CB J.Thomas
CB Lindsey
CB B.Thompson
RB Fannin
DT Whitlock
OT J.Reid
WR L.Jean
CB Van Dyke
WR J,Sanders
DL K.Klug (my fav...so underrated)
DE Friday
RB J.White
WR Mathews
WR A.Binns
OT Mensik
OT Mims
DE Dobbs
WR J.Cleveland
QB Yates
QB Hartline
G Vandervelde
OLB Q.Davie
G Schlauderaff


As bad as this class is at the top (talking top 100 talent), as deep it is with fringe to decent NFL talent...even this UDFA could be huge...esp. at RB and WR ther's still pretty good talent...take advantage, depth is important....and even though everybody on here said Mangini improved our depth, it wasn't the case....we NEED depth pretty much EVERYWHERE

I can't agree with saying Mangini didn't improve our depth. We were putrid after Romeo. Eric may have many faults but he had us competative in "almost" every game last season. IMO if you can't at least give the guy that, your just being a hater. He sacrifices high profile pics for quantity, though slightly less quality. He never got to finish out is plan after the much needed tear down. Whatever depth we now need, it was 50 times worse prior to Eric. Also the D scheme change hurts our depth this year.

jc

Update:

Round 1:

Pick #1: Carolina Panthers - Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
Pick #2: Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Pick #3: Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
Pick #4: Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Pick #5: Arizona Cardinals - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
Pick #6: Cleveland Browns - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Pick #7: San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Pick #8: Tennessee Titans - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Pick #9: Dallas Cowboys - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
Pick #10: Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
Pick #11: Jacksonville Jaguars (from Texans) - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
Pick #12: Minnesota Vikings - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Pick #13: Detroit Lions - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
Pick #14: St. Louis Rams - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pick #15: Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Pick #16: Houston Texans (from Jaguars) - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
Pick #17: New England Patriots (from Oakland) - Ryan Kerrigan, DE/ OLB, Purdue
Pick #18: San Diego Chargers - Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Pick #19: Indianapolis Colts - Tyron Smith, OT, USC
Pick #20: Tampa Bay Buccanners - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
Pick #21: New Orleans Saints (from Chiefs) - Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
Pick #22: New York Giants - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
Pick #23: Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
Pick #24: Kansas City Chiefs (from Saints) - Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
Pick #25: Seattle Seahawks - Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
Pick #26: Baltimore Ravens - Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
Pick #27: Atlanta Falcons - Justin Houston, DE/OLB, Georgia
Pick #28: New England Patriots - Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
Pick #29: Chicago Bears - Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
Pick #30: New York Jets - Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
Pick #31: Pittsburgh Steelers - Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
Pick #32: Green Bay Packers - Aaron Williams, CB, Texas



Round 2:

Pick #33: San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina via New England) - Jake Locker, QB, Washington
Pick #34: Buffalo Bills - Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
Pick #35: Cincinnati Bengals - Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
Pick #36: Denver Broncos - Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State

Paea just got picked....he was my target...this sucks....I have 4 hours left, no trade offers in...leaning RT/G Watkins, really like WR T.Smith but he's just not a good fit in a WCO...also considering DE Sheard as the weakside pass rusher opposite Jordan...

Man I wanted Paea even tried trading up to #33 to get him but 49ers were faster...he was the last 3down UT imho....whereas there are still some WR, RT and WDE prospects on the board

Watkins, like Jordan, is very versatile...he can play both G spots and RT and he'd be an instant LT-backup upgrade too and can play there in a pinch (was a LT at Baylor)...was one of the best OL on film, scouts love him....like Jordan...1 of the few prospects with very little negatives....high floor and still has decent upside left....will be a 26yo rookie but I don't care much, he's yours for his best 4 years and maybe 1 contract extension

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I want to come out of this draft with the DL set and ready to go, and grow. This is an incredibly deep draft as far as DL goes ...... and we just happen to really, desperately need 3 new DL.

Going DL 1 and 2 doesn't worry me at all, and would seem to me to be a solid way to go, given that the DL is the more important unit in a 4-3 defense.

I know we need help on the right side of the OL ..... but I would go with the best available ..... and I think that's going to come from the deepest, and most talented part of this draft.

Just my humble $0.02 worth.

Some other options to consider:

Allen Bailey, DE
Martez Wilson, MLB
Brooks Reed, DE
Titus Young, WR
Davon House, CB
Muhammad Wilkerson, DT
Jason Pinkston, OT/OG

edit: or contact the Denver guy ahead of you and offer up one of our 6th rounders and your current pick fro Paea.

Just throwin some names out there, how about:

WR Leonard Hankerson ... Miami
DT Marvin Austin ... North Carolina
S Rahim Moore ... UCLA
S Quinton Carter ... Oklahoma

Since the Pats are going DE with both 1st rd picks, and their picks (17 & 28) match up roughly with our #6 according to the Value Chart, do you think they would trade up with the Browns for the best DE in the draft? Would we want to? Maybe Fairley slips a few more notches and we could get a DT and a DE (Heyward). I think I might do that.

We are not allowed to do that....and it 's a good thing, it pretty much never happens in the NFL

I like Pinkston a lot but think that Watkins is simply better AND more versatile. Wilkerson has been picked...but didn't like him to be honest, for a guy with his size and talent he should have dominated more at the pretty blah MAC level.

Bailey and Wilson are off my board...Wilson is all workout monster...think about it: if he was any good on tape, with his numbers he would be a top 15 lock in a weak top15 class, right? He isn't and there are many reasons for it...he's just not a good football player

House and Reed are very solid...I like Young, then was scared off a bit but still like him....just not more than Watkins and Smith

Philosophically I wanted to draft another DL, that'a why I wanted Paea, would have been a great fit between Jordan and Rubin....but I just don't see many 3 down DL left....and there are still some risky WDE talents left like Acho, Sheard, Elmore, Reed....my 3rd rounder will most likely go D again, most probably Front 7 (CB only if a guy like Brown falls, maybe WR if Cobb is still there)

With pick #37 I want another sure thing...and Watkins will be a day 1 starter at either RG or RT and offers versatility ove rthe course of a season as there always will be injuries along the OL...he can take over for Steiny at LG (2years left on hefty contract) down the road, if we dont re-sign him or cut/trade him....I think he is a much better G than Lauvao and is a great insurance for RT where Pashos is a IR lock, and again he instantly becomes our Joe Thomas backup that we didn't have....keeping it short: he's a guy that covers the 2 guys (starter and backup) we were missing last season on the OL...the comparisons are all over the place for this guy: D.Diehl (because of his versatility), Mankins (dominant, mature pass AND run blocker)....

I remember what I said earlier...G/RT is a low value position...and this is the earliest I consider a prospect and only if he's elite, which he is...some other things justify him here: he's the 2nd interior OL off the board (not the 10th+ DL)...I think he's a much better prospect than Pouncey....veratility is huge, ups his value a lot...he's not my top prospect picked, I already picked Jordan a high value position prospect...he's a day 1starter, very short length to impact road ahead....no glaring weaknesses, excellent cut blocker, can pull..he's simply a well rounded prospect....there aren't many of those left

Honestly I would not do it as I see a big drop off in talent from the top 5-7 guys to the mid 1st round guys....Heyward is not a good 43 fit, maybe as a SDE but a guy like Jordan offers much more athleticism and pass rush there...I'd rather have Dareus, Peterson, Green or Jordan than Heyward and Paea...now, if someone could guarantee me Watt is still there at 17? Then it would be worth it as Watt + Paea > Jordan in overall quality....there will be players picked in the 1st that aren't even 3down players, that's shocking....imho Top 50 selection HAVE TO be able to impact on all downs and situations...if not they're complementary players and luxury items....I consider Von Miller such a prospect....maybe a PO caliber team can afford that luxury if said prospect fills a glaring need but we need CORE players 1st...take those guy outside top 50-75 territory..you already have your core guys, less risk, less complete players left anyway...shoot for specialty prospects there, doing earlier is foolish imho, especially for a rebuilding, systems switching team

Probably gotta be Ballard, right?

Or Young or Hankerson in a reach?

Balard has some very poor tape...I picked T/G Watkins...Jordan and Watkins aren't sexy picks but they project as very solid day 1 starters at need positions...2 of the most "complete" prospects in this draft imho

Haven't seen Watkins play but here are the concerns that I have about him. 1st I heard that he didn't start playing football until late. Don't know if that is good (hasn't picked up many bad habits) or bad (lack of experience). Secondly, his age. At 27? his career is ~5 years shorter than typical. I am having a hard time coming to grips with whether or not I feel that is significant and if so how significant.

Watkins is 26, 4 years older than the AVG rookie...that might explain why he's much more a polished prospect, then again his body hasn't played more football than the AVG rookie's....the team that drafts him gets his best years, then his 1st contract is up in the air anyway, with anyone you draft

Update:

Round 2:

Pick #33: San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina via New England) - Jake Locker, QB, Washington
Pick #34: Buffalo Bills - Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
Pick #35: Cincinnati Bengals - Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
Pick #36: Denver Broncos - Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
Pick #37: Cleveland Browns - Danny Watkins, OG, Baylor
Pick #38: Arizona Cardinals - Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
Pick #39: Tennessee Titans - Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
Pick #40: Dallas Cowboys - Rahim Moore, S, UCLA
Pick #41: Washington Redskins - Christian Ponder, QB, FSU
Pick #42: Houston Texans - Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
Pick #43: Minnesota Vikings - Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State

Short list for the 3rd rounder #70...in no order

WR T.Smith
WR Cobb
CB C.Brown
OT/G Cannon
DE Sheard
DE/OLB Moch
WOLB Sturdivant
DE Acho
TE Stocker
FS/CB Gilchrist
OLB Foster
RB Murray

I expect most of these guys to be off the board at #70...but if any are still there, it'll most probably be the choice...simply as BPA...I'd like to go Front 7 with a DE or OLB but I still like some guys there that may be available with the 4th/5th rounder (KJ Wright. McCarthy, Matthews)...I really like Moch....I see a Von Miller at a reduced price....I would NOT draft him to play strictly WDE or WOLB, I would line him up all over the Front 7....that alone would make the opponent's Offense go dizzy...blitz-fake blitz all day with him, he has the recovery speed in coverage anyway

Not many DTs left that I like for the next couple of rounds, maybe Casey, have to dig deeper on him though...like some late rounders as rotational DTs/undersized UTs like Parker and Ogbu or Carter

Out of your list I like Cobb, Cannon and Sheard best with Foster, Acho and Sturdavant in the 2nd group (Not far behind).

I just don't see us going G in the 2nd round ..... not with a young player in Lauvoa on the bench right now, and 2 effective veteran players in Steinbach and Yates. While there is some age, I just don't see G as any kind of priority at this point.

I'm gonna have to disagree with your pick here. I suspect that we'll see a similar situation to last year where the Browns load up on DL early .... and often.