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QB T.Taylor
FB Havili
RB D.Lewis
WR V.Brown
DE Elmore
LB Rolle
CB Carmichael
CB Burney

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yes, please. but not necessarily in that order.

Understood, you see Dumervil potential in Moch, I don't see it. We just simply disagree.

Anyway, just taking the guys from your list that I like (not changing the order from where you have it)

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Still available players I like for the late rounds

QB Yates
RB B.Powell
RB J.Harper
WR V.Brown
WR Shorts
WR Moore
OT Hairston
DE Elmore
LB Rolle
LB Harvey
FS/CB Culliver
CB Carmichael
CB Hogan
CB Burney

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You guys have no love for CB VanDyke and FS Conte? I'm torn on both but they are both players Heckert seems to like (at least we are taking closer looks)...and both are draft board "risers" which means the GMs like them more than internet scouts....hard not to take a shot on a 6'1 CB with 4.25 speed

meanwhile 3 consecutive prospects off my board are gone now. WR Paul, FS Conte and OT W.Smith...2xRavens comp picks, Panthers and Bengals left

Well, Conte moved around well at the combine, seemed to be well-prepared for everything they did, but I don't remember ever seeing him play. I'm not saying he's not good, I just don't have any data.

Also, VanDyke is a burner, but he didn't show anything at the senior bowl and wasn't impressive in the drills at the combine either. Adding that he's pretty slight and not really a hitter, he's not high on my wish list.

Van Dyke was the fasted player at the combine. And that is great, but he doesn't play CB. Never started for Miami, was situational guy only. I want someone that has played the position over just a raw athlete.

I selected CB Carmichael and WR V.Brown....VanDyke was gone with the 1st pick in the 6th, so the Carmichael selection was rather easy even though I liked both Burney and Hogan too...but overall Carmichael was the safest bet among those 3. While he isn't a press CB by any means he can step right into the Nickel-CB role and has spot start #2CB upside...I consider his floor also to be very high, at worst a #4, #5 Dime-CB....so a sure bet to make teh roster, which isn't guranteed with 6th rounders

V.Brown was a tough decision and I still am not sure what made me pick him over fellow WR Moore, OT Hairston, DE Elmore and RB D.Lewis...probably should have gone with the high upside OT but I guess I really don't like our WRs....also, Brown and Salas are too similar being rather slow possession WR but perfect WCO fits...Moore is more of a downfield WR and may have been a better compliment to Salas...again, not sure with V.Brown....maybe you guys infected me with him

Thanks to my 4th round downtrade I have another 6th rounder coming up...and if any of the aforementioned is still available (minus Moore, 2 WR is enough) the pick will be most probably 1 of those...outside shot for guys like OLB Rolle, RB D.Scott, CB Sherman and QB Devlin

#6 DE Jordan
#37 OT/G Watkins
#70 DE/OLB Moch
#111 DT McClain
#137 WR Salas
#168 CB Carmichael
#170 WR V.Brown
#179
#248

I'd love to have a slow WR who's not a downfield threat average 20 yards per reception

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 NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD 
Vincent Brown 69 1352 19.6 90 (TD) 10 
 

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I say elmore... can probably get Rolle with the Mr. almost-irrelevant pick. Another DE is a bigger need anyway, and the bvalue is waaaay too high in the 6th not to take him.

so who did you end up taking, Django?

My pick wasn't up yet...I'm now otc...I think I misplayed my 2nd 6th....should have gone Dion Lewis, who I absolutely love and pick Moore or Brown with this pick, even though the GM who took Lewis just reassured me he would have taken V.Brown but Moore is still there...I really like J.White here too, think he's THE sleeper RB of the draft....TE Housler and some CBs made my consideration list too here

....now Lewis, Elmore, Rolle and Devlin are gone...I picked Hairston, who is a very high ceiling gamble here..he is a very, very good pass blocker for being overweight...if this guy reacts to a kick in his butt, he's a 10 starter in the league...this guy can play LT if he wants to and be a dominant RT if he wants it half....so much Flozell Adams in him...he was just 21yo as a SR, so there's room for mental growth/discipline....it's not like he is an off field head case...he already was good enough to dominate without being in proper shape and giving his all...in the ACC...at LT....tons of upside....33 bench presses at combine (tied 1st, same as Cannon)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/54380.html

Round 6:


Pick #166: Carolina Panthers - DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami
Pick #167: Cincinnati Bengals - Da'Norris Searcy, SS, UNC
Pick #168: Cleveland Browns (from Denver) - Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
Pick #169: Buffalo Bills - Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Pick #170: Cleveland Browns - Vincent Brown, WR, San Diego State
Pick #171: Arizona Cardinals - Brian Rolle, OLB, Ohio State
Pick #172: Minnesota Vikings - Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa
Pick #173: Seattle Seahawks (from Lions) - Nick Bellore, LB, Central Michigan
Pick #174: San Fransisco 49ers (from Seahawks) - Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
Pick #175: Tennessee Titans - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
Pick #176: Dallas Cowboys - Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
Pick #177: Washington Redskins - Ricky Elmore, DE, Arizona
Pick #178: New York Giants (from Texans) - Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh
Pick #179: Cleveland Browns (from Dolphins) - Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson

Never been in a mock where I still liked so many prospects late with starting potential....I almost feel bad for leaving guys like WR Moore, RB, White, RB Scott, TE Housler, CB Burney, CB Thomas, CB Rogers, CB C.Allen and many more on the board

#6 DE Jordan
#37 OT/G Watkins
#70 DE/OLB Moch
#111 DT McClain
#137 WR Salas
#168 CB Carmichael
#170 WR V.Brown
#179 OT Hairston
#248

Really love this mock so far...and since I average 2 guys a mock that we end up picking (exepct for the braindead's draft in 09) who would you guys like to have from this mock?...not necessarily at the spot I got them (ie last year I got Ward much later)

Also, according to this draftnut I picked 3 of the Top10 players, lol

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/huddlenotes/?p=532

Wow, after all that hemming and hawing you still got Hairston at the bottom of the sixth?

I would be very excited if our Saturday turned out like this.

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Round 6:


Pick #166: Carolina Panthers - DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami
Pick #167: Cincinnati Bengals - Da'Norris Searcy, SS, UNC
Pick #168: Cleveland Browns (from Denver) - Rashad Carmichael, CB, VT
Pick #169: Buffalo Bills - Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Pick #170: Cleveland Browns - Vincent Brown, WR, San Diego State
Pick #171: Arizona Cardinals - Brian Rolle, OLB, Ohio State
Pick #172: Minnesota Vikings - Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa
Pick #173: Seattle Seahawks (from Lions) - Nick Bellore, LB, Central Michigan
Pick #174: San Fransisco 49ers (from Seahawks) - Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
Pick #175: Tennessee Titans - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
Pick #176: Dallas Cowboys - Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
Pick #177: Washington Redskins - Ricky Elmore, DE, Arizona
Pick #178: New York Giants (from Texans) - Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh
Pick #179: Cleveland Browns (from Dolphins) - Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
Pick #180: Baltimore Ravens (from Rams) - Karl Klug, DT, Iowa
Pick #181: Oakland Raiders - Rob Housler, Florida Atlantic
Pick #182: Jacksonville Jaguars - Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
Pick #183: San Diego Chargers - Jamie Harper, RB, Clemson
Pick #184: Arizona Cardinals (from Eagles) - David Arkin, OG, Missouri State
Pick #185: Houston Texans (from Giants) - Cortez Allen, CB, The Citadel
Pick #186: Denver Broncos (from Eagles) - Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
Pick #187: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Chiefs) - Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon
Pick #188: Indianapolis Colts - Josh Thomas, CB, Buffalo
Pick #189: Denver Broncos (from Saints) - Mike Mohamed, LB, California
Pick #190: San Fransisco 49ers (from Seahawks) - Brandon Hogan, CB, West Virginia
Pick #191: Baltimore Ravens - Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
Pick #192: Atlanta Falcons - Justin Rogers, CB, Richmond
Pick #193: Chicago Bears (from Patriots) - Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska
Pick #194: New York Jets - Ugo Chinasa, DE, Oklahoma State
Pick #195: Chicago Bears - Chas Henry, P, Florida
Pick #196: Pittsburgh Steelers - Keith Williams, OG, Nebraska
Pick #197: Green Bay Packers - Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union
cPick #198: New York Giants - Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio State
cPick #199: Kansas City Chiefs - Bilal Powell, RB, Louisville
cPick #200: Minnesota Vikings - Ronald Johnson, WR, USC
cPick #201: San Diego Chargers - Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
cPick #202: New York Giants - Alex Linnenkohl, C, Oregon State
cPick #203: Carolina Panthers - Jeremy Kerley, WR, TCU


Round 7:


Pick #204: Green Bay Packers (from Panthers) - Da'Rel Scott, RB, Maryland
Pick #205: Detroit Lions (from Broncos) - Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland

What a round for Carolina...VanyDyke and Kerley...both will go earlier in 2 weeks....

Still available: WR Moore (cant believe he' s still there), CB Sherman, CB Gaitor, CB Lindsey, CB Maxwell, CB Walls, CB B.Thompson, CB R.Jones, TE Oordt, TE L.Smith, TE Gantt, NT Neild, DT Carter, DT Ogbu, OLB Mouton, OLB Keiser, DE/OLB B.Miller, OLB JT Thomas, OLB J.Williams, OLB Q.Davie, OLB Lutrus, OLB Gordon, OLB DJ Smith, MLB C.White, S Hagg, S Tarrant, S Lainhart, FS M.Raymond (sleeper), LB Harvey, QB Yates, QB T.Taylor, WR Pilares, FB Havili, RB Fannin, RB Ridley, RB Evans, RB Royster, WR/RB J.Sanders, WR Whalen, WR L.Jean, WR Binns, WR Lockette, OT/G King, G Dominguez, G Schlauderaff, G Jackson, C Kelce, C Z.Taylor

That's some pretty good talent going into the 7th....what's your Top 5-10 out of those? Still 40+ picks left till my last choice though, so many will go there I guess

If Moore is Danarius Moore (sp?) from Tennessee, then that is pretty ridiculous. I still think Brown will be better (I believe he's a top 100 talent easily) but Moore should be taken around 150. Of the guys left I'd look at:

Byron Maxwell - the guy is fast, can play the ball in the air, and hits like Sheldon brown. I think with the other guys all coming out of clemson's secondary he doesn't get his due.
Stanley Havili - if somebody sat down in a video game to make a fullback in a WCO, they would make Havili. He's got decent speed, good hands, gobbles up YAC, and is tough.
Tyrod Taylor - he's athletic, he's got a cannon, and most importantly he's a leader. We saw the difference in the Browns with colt and without, and the biggest difference may have been that intangible leadership.
DE/OLB Bruce Miller - his production with the golden knights really is off the charts and he showed athleticism at the combine. I haven't seen him play but his numbers were terrific and if you wanted to double up on undersized pass rush projects to have a backup/push Moch this might be the way to go.

Those to me are the top guys. I know you like lee smith with his big body and catching ability. Kind of reminds me of Heiden. Fannin seems like a strong value in the 7th as well.

I've pimped moore for awhile. Kid will be a stud.

1. Patrick Peterson
2. Brooks Reed
3. Randall Cobb
4. Greg Romeus
5. Noel Devine
6. Mario Harvey
6. Bruce Miller
7. Julius Thomas

I like those early picks.

any reason that you think we'll take Harvey after Heckert has indicated we are going to focus on speed at the LB spot? Harvey is technically sound and a big-hitter, but he is definitely not fast.

Just curious. Thanks.

jc

Mock just finished...my last pick was RB J.White, who I never even envisioned being still there....backup plan was CB Maxwell or TE L.Smith...still some nice UDFA talent

Round 7:


Pick #204: Green Bay Packers (from Panthers) - Da'Rel Scott, RB, Maryland
Pick #205: Detroit Lions (from Broncos) - Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland
Pick #206: Buffalo Bills - Derek Newton, OT, Arkansas State
Pick #207: Cincinnati Bengals - Chris Neild, DT, WVU
Pick #208: New York Jets (from Cardinals) - Bruce Miller, LB, Central Florida
Pick #209: Seattle Seahawks (from Browns) - Brandon Saine, RB, Ohio State
Pick #210: Atlanta Falcons (from Lions) - Denarius Moore, WR, Tennessee
Pick #211: San Fransisco 49ers - Justin Boren, OG, Ohio State
Pick #212: Tennessee Titans - Ryan Jones, CB, Missouri State
Pick #213: Washington Redskins - Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford
Pick #214: Houston Texans - Cheta Ozougwu, DE, Rice
Pick #215: Minnesota Vikings - J.T. Thomas, LB, West Virginia
Pick #216: St. Louis Rams - D.J. Smith, LB, Appalachian State
Pick #217: Miami Dolphins - Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State
Pick #218: Miami Dolphins (from Jaguars) - Jason Kelce, C, Cincinnati
Pick #219: Oakland Raiders - Andrew Jackson, OG, Fresno State
Pick #220: Dallas Cowboys (from Chargers) - Eric Hagg, S, Nebraska
Pick #221: Houston Texans (from Giants) - Josh Portis, QB, California (Pa)
Pick #222: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Schuylar Oordt, TE, Northern Iowa
Pick #223: Kansas City Chiefs - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
Pick #224: Washington Redskins (from Colts) - Stanley Havili, FB, USC
Pick #225: Baltimore Ravens (from Eagles) - Anthony Sherman, FB, UConn
Pick #226: New Orleans Saints - Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU
Pick #227: Philadelphia Eagles (from Seahawks) - Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech
Pick #228: St. Louis Rams (from Ravens) - Eddie Jones, DE, Texas
Pick #229: Atlanta Falcons - Derrel Smith, LB, Syracuse
Pick #230: Atlanta Falcons (from Patriots) - Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
Pick #231: San Francisco 49ers (from Jets) - Mario Harvey, LB, Marshall
Pick #232: Pittsburgh Steelers - Korey Lindsey, CB, Southern Illinois
Pick #233: Green Bay Packers - Alex Wujciak, LB, Maryland
cPick #234: San Diego Chargers - Anthony Gaitor, CB, FIU
cPick #235: Miami Dolphins - Thomas Keiser, LB, Stanford
cPick #236: Minnesota Vikings - Jock Sanders, WR, WVU
cPick #237: Philadelphia Eagles - DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Miss
cPick #238: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jeff Tarpinian, LB, Iowa
cPick #239: San Fransisco 49ers - David Carter, DE, UCLA
cPick #240: Philadelphia Eagles - Zack Pianalto, TE, UNC
cPick #241: Oakland Raiders - Chris Rucker, CB, Michigan State
cPick #242: Seattle Seahawks - Julian Vandervelde, OG, Iowa
cPick #243: New Orleans Saints - Will Hill, S, Florida
cPick #244: Carolina Panthers - Zane Taylor, C, Utah
cPick #245: Buffalo Bills - Frank Kearse, NT, Alabama A&M
cPick #246: Cincinnati Bengals - Anthony Allen, RB, GT
cPick #247: Denver Broncos - Mark LeGree, S, Appalachian State
cPick #248: Cleveland Browns - Johnny White, RB, UNC
cPick #249: Arizona Cardinals - Devon Torrence, CB, Ohio State
cPick #250: San Fransisco 49ers - Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
cPick #251: Tennessee Titans - Eugene Clifford, S, Tennessee State
cPick #252: Dallas Cowboys - Marc Schiechl, DE/OLB, Colorado School of Mines
cPick #253: Washington Redskins - David Mims, OT, Virginia Union
cPick #254: Houston Texans - Keith Darbut, OLB, Baldwin-Wallace

Browns mock:
#6 DE Jordan
#37 OT/G Watkins
#70 DE/OLB Moch
#111 DT McClain
#137 WR Salas
#168 CB Carmichael
#170 WR V.Brown
#179 OT Hairston
#248 RB J.White

Extremely happy with this result...but except for Jordan and maybe Moch there's little chance Heckert can pick these prospects where I got them

so Fannin went undrafted?

IMO:

1) DL (3)
2) RT (1)
3) WR (1-2)
4) CB (1)
5) OLB (2)
6) S (1)

are you assuming Fujita plays ILB then?

he did play 4-3 SOLB for the Saints, no?

Yeah, he's starting SOLB, but he ended last year on IR and we have no depth. He's not exactly a spring chicken, either.

Gocong, Fujita, and D'Qwell are our starters... atleast thats how I see it.

hah, yeah I guess that description would fit DQ as well.