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Arch...are you an idiot?
Can't you read?...the unions have agreed to the concession to help balance Wisconsin's budget.
Also...why the hell would the Governor burn up 121+ million when the state was facing a deficit?
Would you do that if you were facing a deficit in your family budget?...HELL NO YOU WOULDN'T !
It defies common sense and smells of pure politics by Teabagger Walker. Walker drove the deficit up so he could go after the public unions.
Sound familiar?...your good buddy George W. did the same thing...burned through the surplus, then cut taxes at a time of war x 2, while looking the other way while his wall street buddies committed fraud after fraud.
Some things never change...GOP screws it up then turns to the working/middle class Americans to fix their mess.
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Arch...are you an idiot?
Can't you read?...the unions have agreed to the concession to help balance Wisconsin's budget.
Also...why the hell would the Governor burn up 121+ million when the state was facing a deficit?
Would you do that if you were facing a deficit in your family budget?...HELL NO YOU WOULDN'T !
It defies common sense and smells of pure politics by Teabagger Walker. Walker drove the deficit up so he could go after the public unions.
Sound familiar?...your good buddy George W. did the same thing...burned through the surplus, then cut taxes at a time of war x 2, while looking the other way while his wall street buddies committed fraud after fraud.
Some things never change...GOP screws it up then turns to the working/middle class Americans to fix their mess.
Idiocy is as idiocy does.
You obviously aren't aware that there was no surplus in Wis. You also obviously aren't aware that Clinton left no "surplus". Although it's interesting how you bring Bush into this. Deflection?
WISCONSIN did not have a surplus. Are YOU stupid? Or you just can't read? Or, as you put it: Are you and idiot?
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THERE WAS NO SURPLUS!!!!!
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Also...why the hell would the Governor burn up 121+ million when the state was facing a deficit?
There is a chance that you are the densest human being on the face of the planet.. talking to you is worse than talking to a rock because I have the expectation that, as a human being, at some point you might hear what somebody else says and have a reasonable response or stop spouting something once it has been shown to you to be incorrect..... with a rock, I would expect it to just sit there.. you would be better served to act like a rock. This $121 million did not exist as a surplus ever.. nobody burned through it ever... nobody wasted it or squandered it ever.... nobody gave it to the rich people, ever....
If you have $200 in your wallet right now and that is all the money you have in the world and you have no other income coming in but your mortgage payment of $400 is due tomorrow can I say that you have a $200 surplus because that is what is in your wallet? No, I cannot.... That is the condition Wisconsin was in, they had $121 million but they had obligations already on the books, NOT CREATED BY THIS GOVERNOR that exceeded that and had to be met.. $258 million I think it was.. so they were negative.. there was no surplus... there wasn't... not in Wisconsin..
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No ... but I think we're all a little dumber just trying to listen to you.
Maybe we should all pitch in and give him a weeks stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
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No ... but I think we're all a little dumber just trying to listen to you.
The thing is, Mac is a bit like Archie Bunker.
As dumb as a stump but somehow a lovable figure.
It's best he doesn't get in to detail.
What starts as a point goes down the drain in rapid fashion nearly every time.
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DC...in reality...that point, even "if it is true" is moot.
That could sum up mac's retort to just about anything .......
"Deny, Deny, Deny. Liar! Liar! Liar! In reality...that point, even "if it is true" is moot."
I still love being called a liar for pointing out that the article listed had a direct quote where mac says there is no such thing. I was called a liar, a few times IIRC, because I pointed out that there was such a quote in the article itself. The original poster was also called a liar because he posted the article ..... I guess without changing the article to suit mac's wants and needs .... or something.
With the namecalling and such, I'm sure that the Refs only keep mac around to see what he'll do and say next. It's like a train wreck that you just cannot look away from.
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Can't you read?...the unions have agreed to the concession to help balance Wisconsin's budget.
If they've agreed to the concessions as you say they have then it begs the question: what are they protesting?
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He's been in office for less than 7 weeks and he's driven the deficit up? How? Or is this just more baseless filth? Back it up or wouldn't you agree that we should just assume that what you're saying is false and lies?
As for the GOP, it's not the party that you have a problem with, mac, it's conservative principles that you abhor.
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It's kinfd of like the liberal/Communists who said that 9-11 was the result of Bush's policies, when the planning and such began well before Bush was even elected. It is willful ignorance, and a blatant disregard for reality and the truth.
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The battle has moved on from the contributions to health care and pensions to the right to collectively bargain.
One of the first pieces of legislation passed was 100 M plus buisness tax cuts to make the state more "business friendly" so when this fight comes around, it looks bad for him.
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Not sure how you're reading this report but it isn't painting the pretty picture you seem to think it does.
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The GOP is taking the money from middle class workers while they hand it out to their rich GOP buddies. Wisconsin is balancing their budget on the backs of the working/middle class Americans.
Do you know ANYTHING about the tax cuts that the governor put into effect? The tax cuts, by the way, that were passed on largely bipartisan votes.... just sayin.....
The tax cuts that give tax breaks to corporations that move to Wisconsin and tax cuts to corporations for each job created... and his tax cuts for people who contribute to health savings accounts...
It appears to me that his tax cuts have one targeted goal... to bring work and jobs to Wisconsin... The only way his rich GOP buddies appear to benefit is if they bring their rich corporations to Wisconsin thus creating a bunch of jobs for middle class people of Wisconsin...
or am I reading his tax cuts wrong?
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I wonder if the medical board will pursue disciplinary action against the doctors who are handing out sick notes at the rally?
That's a pretty clear case of fraud in my opinion.
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I also just heard that Wisconsin has suspended direct deposit of paychecks, requiring members to show up on the floor to pick up their payckecks. They cannot send anyone to do it for them. Each member must pick their paycheck up themself, or just go without their pay. Hell, I'd say that if a memeber is not in attendence while the House/Senate is in operation, then they don't get paid for that day, period. They aren't doing the job they were sent to do, so why should they get paid? Frankly I would extend this to the US House and Senate as well. If you want to run for another office, then you should not collect a paycheck for a job you are not performing, and also should not accrue retirement time during time missed due to a campaign for another office either.
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The GOP is taking the money from middle class workers while they hand it out to their rich GOP buddies. Wisconsin is balancing their budget on the backs of the working/middle class Americans.
Do you know ANYTHING about the tax cuts that the governor put into effect? The tax cuts, by the way, that were passed on largely bipartisan votes.... just sayin.....
The tax cuts that give tax breaks to corporations that move to Wisconsin and tax cuts to corporations for each job created... and his tax cuts for people who contribute to health savings accounts...
It appears to me that his tax cuts have one targeted goal... to bring work and jobs to Wisconsin... The only way his rich GOP buddies appear to benefit is if they bring their rich corporations to Wisconsin thus creating a bunch of jobs for middle class people of Wisconsin...
or am I reading his tax cuts wrong?
Democrats do not seem to grasp that when you raise taxes, especially on businesses that it drives them out. And if you raise taxes on the people, it only forces them elsewhere, and the most likely to move would be those rich people who they want to punish with higher taxes.
Look at California, we have some of the highest taxes around and we still have a $26 billion deficit. Reason? The Democrats and the spineless Republicans don't want to do anything real about it. Their solution is to move money around and say they are cuts and raise taxes. Problem is that it has been driving businesses and people out while keeping the poorer folks in state because they are stuck due to their lack of funds who also drain the government more. California and other state need to make cuts. They need to make cuts in the public sector, something California will never do because they'd rather save their bank accounts more than the taxpayer's bank accounts.
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Can't you read?...the unions have agreed to the concession to help balance Wisconsin's budget.
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If they've agreed to the concessions as you say they have then it begs the question: what are they protesting?
ana...you really don't know what the issue is for the Unions, that Teabagger Walker has targeted?
Educate yourself...read..
Wis. gov. says he won't accept union compromise
Associated Press Scott Bauer, Associated Press – Mon Feb 21, 6:44 pm
MADISON, Wis. – Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker again rejected a proposed compromise Monday to end a political stalemate over collective bargaining rights that led to 14 Senate Democrats skipping town and motivated tens of thousands of people to march on the Capitol in protest for more than a week.
Walker said Monday afternoon he wasn't interested in compromises that have been floated by public employee unions and even a Republican state senator. He spoke inside his heavily guarded conference room in the Capitol as thousands of people screamed and stomped outside his office to "Recall Walker!"
Walker reiterated his longstanding position that his proposal is about balancing Wisconsin's budget and not busting the unions. He called one of the proposed compromises a "non-starter."
"For those 14 Senate Democrats, you've had your time," Walker said. "Now it's time to come home."
With no resolution imminent, Senate Republicans were resigned Monday to forge ahead with less-controversial business such as tax breaks for dairy farmers and commending the Green Bay Packers on winning the Super Bowl.
As the standoff entered its second week, none of the major players offered any signs of backing down in a high-stakes game of political chicken that has riveted the nation and led to ongoing public protests that drew a high of 68,000 people on Saturday. Thousands more braved cold winds and temperatures in the 20s to march again on Monday, waving signs that said "Stop the attack on Wisconsin families" and "solidarity."
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The GOP is taking the money from middle class workers while they hand it out to their rich GOP buddies. Wisconsin is balancing their budget on the backs of the working/middle class Americans.
Do you know ANYTHING about the tax cuts that the governor put into effect? The tax cuts, by the way, that were passed on largely bipartisan votes.... just sayin.....
The tax cuts that give tax breaks to corporations that move to Wisconsin and tax cuts to corporations for each job created... and his tax cuts for people who contribute to health savings accounts...
It appears to me that his tax cuts have one targeted goal... to bring work and jobs to Wisconsin... The only way his rich GOP buddies appear to benefit is if they bring their rich corporations to Wisconsin thus creating a bunch of jobs for middle class people of Wisconsin...
or am I reading his tax cuts wrong?
DC...Walker either spent surplus money to pay for his tax cuts, knowing the state was in financial trouble...or if there was no surplus like some claim...he was deficit spending, handing out unfunded tax cuts and driving the deficit up higher.
Do you believe the Dems would have voted for Walkers tax cuts if they knew he was going to go after the unions to pay for his tax cuts?
Again, the Unions have agreed to concessions but take a stand when the governor goes after their bargaining rights...essentially trying to break the unions.
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Unions care about the non union middle class workers?!  Right. I've spent 25 years (non union) in a teamster dominated company and I can assure you they do not.
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he was deficit spending, handing out unfunded tax cuts and driving the deficit up higher.
tax cuts is not spending, no matter how you slice it it is not spending.... if you get a pay cut it's not considered a spending increase.... the fact that the media keeps perpetuating that lie so the left can jump on it is irresponsible... and handing out tax cuts to encourage businesses to relocate to Wisconsin and hire more people... it's a long term move mac... I know some people can't see past this week, but what he did was a long term move to improve the economy of his state.
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Do you believe the Dems would have voted for Walkers tax cuts if they knew he was going to go after the unions to pay for his tax cuts?
If they didn't know how he planned to cut spending then they are too stupid to be in office because he ran on the platform during the election that he was going to cut state employee pay and benefits and bargaining ability... he didn't just come up with this a couple weeks ago, he ran on it.
It really is about time for the President and the federal government to take a stand and put an end to this.. I know that it is Obama's M.O. to stand on the sidelines and wait to see who is going to win then announce his support of that side, much like he did with Egypt, but in this case, he has a constitutional directive to intervene... see Article 4, Section 4 of the US Constitution says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,... " and if the elected democrats are going to run and hide, then the federal government has a constitutional right to demand that the state of Wisconsin act in accordance with its republican form of government... I think every democrat that isn't back to work should be fired, proceedings should be undertaken to remove them from office...
anybody else here think if they were asked to do something they didn't want to do at work, but was within their job description, and they just left work and didn't come back for weeks that they wouldn't be fired?
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Your point is so lost when you keep using the derogatory labels you do. Teabagger this, Teabagging that. It's really a poor attempt at discretization that doesn't work.
And it makes you sound petty.
Your opinions would get a lot more respect if you could just discuss them like an adult, not use the name calling, not label people, including other board members that you constantly label to a group without knowing anything about them, and state your opinions not just post articles.
Just a friendly FYI.
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Welcome to the club of those of us who have made that plea, buddy.  It's a large and still growing group. 
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It's kinfd of like the liberal/Communists who said that 9-11 was the result of Bush's policies, when the planning and such began well before Bush was even elected. It is willful ignorance, and a blatant disregard for reality and the truth.
I agree,, just like the Birthers that are convinced, no matter how much info is placed before them, that Obama is NOT a US Citizen..... Same exact type of willful ignorance.
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Not good news for GOP/Teabag Party...
Majority Opposes Limits on Collective Bargaining Power, Poll Finds
Most Americans say they are against any laws reducing the collective bargaining power of unionized civil service workers as a way to balance a state's budget, according to a new survey out Tuesday.
The USA Today/Gallup poll comes as there's no end in sight to the week-long budget showdown between Wisconsin's public employee unions and Gov. Scott Walker.
Pollsters found that 61 percent of respondents would oppose a law in their state similar to the one being floated by Walker that would reduce the ability of Wisconsin's state employee unions to bargain. Just 33 percent said they would support such a measure.
For the eighth straight day, protests for and against Walker's plan have clogged the streets around the state capitol in Madison.
The poll also asked about other methods elected officials could use to solve budget shortfalls. USA Today pointed out several key findings:
-- 71 percent oppose increasing sales, income or other taxes while 27 percent are in favor that approach.
-- 53 percent oppose reducing pay or benefits for government workers while 44 percent are in favor.
-- 48 percent oppose reducing or eliminating government programs while 47 percent are in favor of cuts.
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I'm sure there are many Teabag/GOP Party Governors looking at these polls and swallowing...gulp. Many thought they could divide the middle class workers, union and non-union, thinking they had a slam dunk majority that agreed with union busting.
Gov. Walker did not run on busting unions...and clearly that is what he is doing...he is not fooling anyone.
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-- 53 percent oppose reducing pay or benefits for government workers while 44 percent are in favor.
-- 48 percent oppose reducing or eliminating government programs while 47 percent are in favor of cuts.
100% of those opposed when asked what should be done to balance the budgets, just looked at the sky and drooled before they shrugged their shoulders.
PS - I don't think there is a Teabag party. if there is then I guess we can say you belong to the jackass party right?
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Ahh a good old poll to reinforce your weak argument. I'm sure most Governors look at this poll and think nothing of it. They had a poll that gave them all the info they needed. That poll happened in November.
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This isn't just an attack on the middle class. This is an attack on workers themselves. The so-called "Right to Work" that Walker wants to create in turn creates free-loaders that benefit from the work that union workers fought for for over and won. If Walker really want to eliminate unions, as he clearly does, why stop at Collective Bargaining? He should also eliminate the 5 day workweek and the 8 hour workday.
Why the hell should his non-union state live with the benefits that unions provided. Eliminate retirement, eliminate worker compensation, eliminate overtime, eliminate holiday vacations. Maybe these ultra-right wing idiots will finally realise all that unions fought for when they have absolutely no rights as workers. But, then again, since they are all drones for the ultra-right wing they probably won't notice or care that they are being worked to death.
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I'm non-union and I get overtime pay, vacation, contributions to a 401k, etc.
So why do you think only unions get those things?
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wait a second here. you think eliminating unions and creating a "right to work" policy will increase freeloaders?
there are many valid arguments for unions, but that sure isn't one of them.
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I'm non-union and I get overtime pay, vacation, contributions to a 401k, etc.
So why do you think only unions get those things?
Unions fought and died for those rights. Since you are of the opinion that unions are evil. Everything those "evil" unions fought for you should not enjoy the benefits of.
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I'm non-union and I get overtime pay, vacation, contributions to a 401k, etc.
So why do you think only unions get those things?
Unions fought and died for those rights. Since you are of the opinion that unions are evil. Everything those "evil" unions fought for you should not enjoy the benefits of.
I don't think anyone on this board,, left or right leaning, would argue that there was a time when unions were really important to the working class..
But somewhere along the line, the governemts (both state and fed) stepped in with work place rules. At some point, enlightened employers began to realize the benefits of strong relationships with thier employees and they treated thier employees more like family and it worked in many many cases.,
Unions have caused thier fair share of damage to the American landscape as well. Demands for bigger and better benefits and wages, work rules that tended not to favor productivity. etc etc.
Having said all that, I still think that unions have a place in this society. But not nearly as prominent as it once was... It's just not needed anymore.
I know I'll never get a staunch union supporter to agree with me... but that's the way it is none the less.
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I'm non-union and I get overtime pay, vacation, contributions to a 401k, etc.
So why do you think only unions get those things?
Unions fought and died for those rights. Since you are of the opinion that unions are evil. Everything those "evil" unions fought for you should not enjoy the benefits of.
Well, hard working, freedom loving Americans fought for every right you enjoy, but since you're against nearly every facet of the American way of life, you should not enjoy any of those benefits.
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The battle has moved on from the contributions to health care and pensions to the right to collectively bargain.
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I would go further than Walker has gone. If I had my druthers about it, they would already be unemployed and without the ability to obtain a state unemployment check.
Furthermore, if they attempted to keep their jobs by using a "doctor's note" and they were proved to be protesting, they would be brought up on criminal fraud charges and facing imprisonment.
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Unions fought and killed for those rights. Since you are of the opinion that unions are evil. Everything those evil unions killed for you should not enjoy the benefits of.
There. Fixed.
Benefits were given by companies as incentives during the good times to attract the best and most qualified employees. It wasn't unions that 'fought' for them, but free-to-choose-where-they-work employees.
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Welcome to the club of those of us who have made that plea, buddy. It's a large and still growing group.
Too bad this isn't a large and growing group:
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