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1. Carolina Panthers--------Nick Fairley DT/DE, Auburn
2. Denver Broncos----------Patrick Peterson CB, LSU
3. Buffalo Bills---------------Marcel Dareus, DE, Alabama
4. Cincinnati Bengals-------AJ Green WR, Gerogia
5. Arizona Cardinals--------Von Miller OLB, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland Browns--------Da'Quan Bowers DE, Clemson
7. San Francisco 49ers------Prince Amukamara CB, Nebraska
8. Tennessee Titans---------Blaine Gabbert QB, Missouri
9. Dallas Cowboys----------Cameron Jordan DE, California
10. Washington Redskins---Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
11. Houston Texans---------Robert Quinn, OLB, UNC
12. Minnesota Vikings-------Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
13. Detroit Lions-------------Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
14. St. Louis Rams----------Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
15. Miami Dolphins----------Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
16. Jacksonville Jags--------Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
17. New England Patriots----J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
18. San Diego Chargers----Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
19. New York Giants---------Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
20. Tampa Bay Bucs--------Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
21. Kansas City Chiefs------Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
22. Indianapolis Colts-------Derek Sherrod, OT, Miss St.
23. Philadelphia Eagles------Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
24. New Orleans Saints-----Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA
25. Seattle Seahawks-------Jake Locker, QB, Washington
26. Baltimore Ravens-------Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
27. Atlanta Falcons----------Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
28. New England Patriots---Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn St
29. Chicago Bears----------Tyron Smith, OT, USC
30. New York Jets-----------Muhammed Wilkerson, DE, Temple
31. Pittsburgh Steelers----Mike Pouncey, OG. Florida
32. Green Bay Packers----Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

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I've said it before and I will say it again. If Bowers falls to us, I will crap myself.

Then again maybe Buffalo grabs Newton, the Bengals take Dareus, and the Cardinals take Gabbert, Green, or Amukara.

That would leave us with the choice of Bowers or Green.

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Ive seen quite a few mocks with Cinci taking a WR, I don't get it. They have some decent WRs besides the two jackaholes. Anyway, I hope we get Bowers also.


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TO is a free agent. With Chad Whateverhisnameistoday - I think many people think he's going to be released or traded.

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1. Carolina Panthers - Da'Quan Bowers, DE (Clemson)
2. Denver Broncos - Nick Fairley, DT (Auburn)
3. Buffalo Bills - Von Miller, OLB (Texas A&M)
4. Cincinnati Bengals - AJ Green, WR (Gerogia)
5. Arizona Cardinals - Cam Newton, QB (Auburn)
6. Cleveland Browns - Marcel Dareus, DE (Alabama)
7. San Francisco 49ers - Patrick Peterson, CB (LSU)
8. Tennessee Titans - Cameron Jordan, DE (California)
9. Dallas Cowboys - Prince Amukamara, CB (Nebraska)
10. Washington Redskins - Blaine Gabbert, QB (Missouri)
11. Houston Texans - Brandon Harris, CB (Miami)
12. Minnesota Vikings - Robert Quinn, DE (North Carolina)
13. Detroit Lions - Nate Solder, OT (Colorado)
14. St. Louis Rams - Julio Jones, WR (Alabama)
15. Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB (Alabama)
16. Jacksonville Jags - Ryan Kerrigan, DE (Purdue)
17. New England Patriots - J.J. Watt, DE (Wisconsin)
18. San Diego Chargers - Aldon Smith, DE (Missouri)
19. New York Giants - Derek Sherrod, OT (Miss St.)
20. Tampa Bay Bucs - Jimmy Smith, CB (Colorado)
21. Kansas City Chiefs - Akeem Ayers, OLB (UCLA)
22. Indianapolis Colts - Anthony Castonzo, OT (Boston College)
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Mike Pouncey, OG (Florida)
24. New Orleans Saints - Adrian Clayborn, DE (Iowa)
25. Seattle Seahawks - Jake Locker, QB (Washington)
26. Baltimore Ravens - Aaron Williams, CB (Texas)
27. Atlanta Falcons - Justin Houston, OLB (Georgia)
28. New England Patriots - Dan Watkins, G (Baylor)
29. Chicago Bears - Phil Taylor, DT (Baylor)
30. New York Jets - Muhammed Wilkerson, DE (Temple)
31. Pittsburgh Steelers - Tyron Smith, OT (USC)
32. Green Bay Packers - Cameron Heyward, DE (Ohio State)


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I am going to say what everyone is thinking already. I want an impact player at this pick. Give us a star that is going to be around for years. Wasn't a big fan of the pick last year but changed my mind as he got better. Hope to repeat or do better . The Browns need playmakers and lets face it we, the fans, have watched the 1st round be a joke for years. Put good drafts together, FINALLY , so that it can be built on. I also think that this is the first year I am not sold on just one player for the Browns but see that if any number of players are there it is a good thing. There is my 2 cents for what it is worth. Now back to lurking for me.

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Whisenhunt doesn't seem like a guy who would want to take a chance on Newton.

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Whisenhunt doesn't seem like a guy who would want to take a chance on Newton.




if he reminds him of Big Ben he will.


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Revision 1:

1. CAR -- DE, *DaQuan Bowers

2. DEN -- DT, *Nick Fairley

3. BUF -- DL, *Marcell Dareus

4. CIN -- WR, *AJ Green

5. ARI -- CB, *Patrick Peterson

6. CLE -- DE, Cameron Jordan

7. SF -- CB, Prince Amukamara

8. TEN -- QB, *Cam Newton

9. DAL -- OLB, Robert Quinn

10. WAS -- QB, *Blaine Gabbert

11. HOU -- OLB, *Aldon Smith

12. MIN -- DE, *J.J. Watt

13. DET -- OLB, Von Miller

14. STL -- WR, *Julio Jones

15. MIA -- RB, Mark Ingram

16. JAC -- DE, Ryan Kerrigan

17. NE -- DT, *Cory Liuget

18. SD -- OT, Nate Solder

19. NYG -- OT, *Tyron Smith

20. TB -- DE, Adrian Clayborn

21. KC -- LB, Akeem Ayers

22. IND -- OT, Derek Sherrod

23. PHL -- CB, Jimmy Smith

24. NO -- RB, Mikel Leshoure

25. SEA -- QB, Jake Locker

26. BAL -- CB, *Brandon Harris

27. ATL -- WR, *Torrey Smith

28. NE -- OT, Gabe Carimi

29. NYJ -- NT, Phil Taylor

30. CHI -- OT, Anthony Costanzo

31. PITT -- OL, *Mike Pouncey

32. GB -- DT *Muhammed Wilkerson

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OL, Danny Watkins

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General Comment...I see Washington trying to trade up to draft Cam..just my opinon....They might be a nice trade partner to move down to # 10 pick up a 2nd rounder just saying,

Cam Would sell more tickets in Washington than Blaine and thats what Snyder wants

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Seems like Snyder is no longer running the show.

The treatment of McNabb and Haynesworth seem to show that.

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General Comment...I see Washington trying to trade up to draft Cam..just my opinon....They might be a nice trade partner to move down to # 10 pick up a 2nd rounder just saying




I don't care who we traded down with, but if we could do this and still land a solid player (JULIO maybe!), I'd be ecstatic.

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Most the mocks I've seen have Green going to Cinci at #4, Miller going to Arizona at #5 ... and some combination of Fairly, Bowers, Dareus and Peterson going to the top 3 and us. Then almost everyone has Gabbert going to San Fran.

Good to know we could be getting a top 3 worthy pick this year.

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I would love to see somebody give up the farm to us to move ahead of SF so they can grab a QB :-)


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General Comment...I see Washington trying to trade up to draft Cam..just my opinon....They might be a nice trade partner to move down to # 10 pick up a 2nd rounder just saying,

Cam Would sell more tickets in Washington than Blaine and thats what Snyder wants




I can see that as a good possibility. Of coarse much of that would depend on the top 5 picks passing on a QB.

The 9ers @ 7 and the Titans @ 8 might either or both look to draft a QB, so it would make since.
I don't think if we draft down it will be much lower then the 10th pick. It would cost too much for us to take the trade.

Unless we trade with NE for their two 1st round picks and I don't think BB will be looking to trade up to the #6 selection.

I personally feel that the 9ers will pass on Newton or Gabert.

I have had the Titans picking Cam Newton @ 8, where most have them taking Gabbert. I think if Washington or let's say Miami wants their pick of QB's they will have to move up to pick #6 or #7


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Didn't want to start a new thread for this so I tacked it on here. I found this mock draft which has some interesting commentary on the picks, so I thought I would share. I only read a couple of them so far but found the Robert Quinn analysis to shed a new perspective on him.

Mac’s mock

AUTHOR: Mackenzie Pantoja | IN: 2011 NFL Draft | COMMENTS: 50 Comments |

I put a lot of time into this mock (just look how long it is). I feel pretty confident with most of my picks.
Enjoy.

1. Carolina Panthers- Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
The Panthers only have two viable options with this pick. It’s between Green and Fairley. I put some thought into it, and I just couldn’t stop remembering that the Panthers have too many young receivers with potential on the roster to pick Green and too many former 5th/6th round picks with little potential at defensive tackle to not pick Fairley. With the big and athletic David Gettis getting 508 receiving yards in his first year as a 6th round pick out of Baylor in spite of poor quarterback play, receiver doesn’t seem like it is quite as pressing of a need. Gettis could break out. However, I see no talent from the Panthers’ Nick Hayden and Dmitri Landri, so defensive tackle is quite a pressing need. I like Fairley, but it must be understood that he is not at Ndamukong Suh’s level. Suh was the most dominant defensive tackle I have ever seen. They aren’t near the same level. But Fairley has impressive short area quickness, an outstanding array of pass rush moves, solid strength, and he gets impressive leverage on lineman. However, I think his instincts are a tad below average, and I will see him be fooled on a play action. He is still a good prospect.

2. Denver Broncos- Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
I have taken A LOT of heat for my opinion of Patrick Peterson. Everyone thinks I am crazy. But he seems like a really overrated prospect. I’ve seen him on film, and it feels like he is just a workout warrior. I see him allow so many catches, and make so many mistakes in coverage. Sadly, I don’t have many numbers that backup my opinion, but I want my readers to consider this: am I the only one that has noticed that a lot of teams’ number one receivers seem to get a lot of yards against LSU? Seriously? Last year, Jarius Wright, Markeith Summers, Julio Jones, and Jeff Fuller all got over 68 yards against LSU. That can’t be said about Amukamara, Janoris Jenkins (he is staying in Florida, though), Brandon Harris, Texas’ Aaron Williams, Ohio State’s Chimdi Chekwa, and even Louisville’s Johnny Patrick. Whenever I bring up this point, people will tell me that Peterson only covers one side of the field. I realize this. Most first string corners are going to cover the strong side of the field. But, most number one receivers start at flanker, which is the strong side outside receiver. So, a majority of the time, Peterson will be lined up against the opponent’s number one receiver. I will admit, Peterson is probably the most physically gifted corner I have ever seen. 6’2 and real fast. A lot of talent, but a lot of catches allowed, too. I’ll get deeper into the subject of Peterson later. On the other hand, cornerback is a pressing need for the Broncos. Da’Quan Bowers is another option here too, but the pass rush for the Broncos should improve when Dumervil comes back, and a pass rusher won’t be as much of a need.

3. Buffalo Bills- Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
I am undecided on my opinion of Bowers. Honestly, I saw half a dozen Clemson games in ’09, and I had so much scouting information of the Tigers that I hardly made an effort to watch them in 2010. I saw two games, and, by sheer coincidence, they were the only two games all season in which Bowers didn’t get a sack (South Carolina and South Florida). The only Bowers I am aware of is the instinctive, strong run stopper (on pace for 73 tackles in ’09 before an injury), but the raw, below average pass rusher (on pace for 4 sacks in 09′ before the injury). Frankly, the Bowers that got 16 sacks in 2010 doesn’t exist to me. I am going to watch the N.C. State vs. Clemson game on ESPN3 in the next couple of days, so I will get back to you guys on my opinion of him as a pass rusher soon. However, I can confidently say that he has phenomenal strength and instincts, and he is among the best athletes I have ever seen. With the release of Marcus Stroud on Wednesday, 3-4 defensive end becomes a must need for Buffalo, and Bowers would be a great fit for the Bills. Although he played in a 4-3 in college, his tremendous 285 pound frame makes him an ideal fit for 3-4 defensive end at the NFL level.

4. Cincinnati Bengals- A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
Drafting A.J. Green right here would be a common sense pick for the Bengals. However, as a resident of Cincinnati, I have come to realize that the Bengals aren’t exactly known for their common sense. Green is outstanding. Watching him play, I can’t help but see a Larry Fitzgerald clone plus a bit more speed, but a bit less bulk. He can jump as well as any receiver I have ever seen, he adds a lot of height to his ridiculous jumping ability, and he does an excellent job of catching the ball at its highest point, just like Larry Fitzgerald. With the expected departures of Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, wide receiver is a vital need, and A.J. Green makes a lot of sense here. But I am skeptical that they will draft him.

5. Arizona Cardinals- Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
So far, this is the hardest pick I have had to mock yet. I have been extremely back and forth between the Cardinals drafting Miller and Blaine Gabbert, but with the likely departure of Joey Porter, I decided to choose Miller here. In regards to Miller, I think he is a slightly underrated prospect. His instincts and quickness is above average, but he is a mediocre athlete for a first round prospect and he could afford to improve how he uses his hands. An okay player, and this would be an okay pick.

6. Cleveland Browns- Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
I don’t really know what to do with this pick until I know whether Cleveland will be running a 4-3 or a 3-4 this year. Most people say that Marcell Dareus would be a great fit in either, so that’s why I went with Dareus here. But I am not into the idea of Dareus being a defensive tackle. What I have always found is that a heavy 4-3 defensive end transitioning to 3-4 end is usually an easy, seamless transition. Because, let’s be honest; a 5 technique end is a 5 technique end, whether the team he plays on runs a 4-3 or a 3-4. The transition isn’t difficult. But a 3-4 end going to 4-3 defensive tackle or visa versa will be tough. Because going from a 5 technique to a 3 technique will be difficult and will require a long adjustment period. I’d keep Dareus, who played as 5 technique in a 3-4 at Alabama, at end, and away from the Browns if they run a 4-3, but I think Cleveland may draft Dareus regardless of what defense they run. I think he would do better in a 3-4, but I can’t say for sure. Regarding need, Brian Schaefering and Kenyon Coleman are the starting defensive ends right now. They need to upgrade. On another note, I think Dareus is an overrated prospect. I love stats for defensive lineman. And frankly, Marcell Dareus is awful statistically. He got 66 tackles and 11 sacks in his entire career at Alabama (33 tackles each year and 6 sacks as a junior and 5 as a senior). To give my readers an idea how bad that is, Bowers got 67 tackles and 16 sacks this season while playing the same position. These horrible stats despite a high grade from most NFL scouts makes me think of Gerald McCoy from a year ago, who got 32 tackles and 6 sacks his final season at Oklahoma, and struggled with Tampa this season, ranking 5th among rookie defensive tackles in sacks and in tackles. Expect similar numbers for Dareus in the NFL. Dareus lacks quickness, instincts, and change of direction skills and will struggle at the NFL level.

7. San Francisco 49ers- Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
This was a hard pick to mock. I have already dished out my love for Newton in a different post. I love his decision making ability and I do think he is an accurate quarterback. He is an underrated prospect. What made this pick hard to mock was whether I would go with Newton or Blaine Gabbert (even Amukamara is a possibility too). I just think Gabbert is overrated. Most people think Gabbert is a better prospect than Newton. Most people think he is the best quarterback overall. Some will say he is the number one overall prospect. I’ll sum up argument against Gabbert with this statement: how can anyone justify ranking a spread offense system quarterback with the 69th ranked quarterback rating in the FBS as the number one quarterback in the 2011 draft? Gabbert isn’t even a system quarterback. In order to be a system quarterback, he needs to have success in the spread offense he plays in. That can’t really be said about Gabbert. I do like Newton, though, and I bet Jim Harbaugh is smart enough to draft Newton instead of Gabbert. This would be a good pick for the 49ers.

8. Tennessee Titans- Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
As I mentioned in the 49ers pick, I don’t think Gabbert is a very good prospect. I don’t need to reiterate those numbers. Now, I am going to explain why Gabbert isn’t productive. He is a poor decision maker, he is a poor athlete, and he has mediocre accuracy. However, he has impressive arm strength, and he has a very quick release. I don’t like what I have seen from him, and I think he won’t be successful at the NFL level. Quarterback is an obvious need for the Titans though, and I don’t see Tennessee drafting another running quarterback after the Vince Young debacle, such as Jake Locker.

9. Dallas Cowboys- Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Amukamara is a slightly overrated prospect, but he is a very good fit for the Cowboys and they are in dire need of a corner. Amukamara has average production for a first round corner. Neither excellent nor poor. My issue with him is that if he is going to be a first round corner prospect with mediocre production for a first round corner, he ought to have superior physical tools. Amukamara has average physical ability. He is 6’0 tall and he runs a 4.49 40 yard dash. And to be picked as high as he is despite his production, he ought to be one amazing athlete. Guys that are 6’0 tall and run a 4.49 grow on trees. I’ll need a lot more to be impressed. Terrence Newman is 32, and the Cowboys 26th ranked pass defense won’t get better without Amukamara. This would be an okay pick, but Amukamara is slightly overrated.

10. Washington Redskins- Cameron Jordan, DE, California
If the previous scenarios mentioned all come true, then Washington doesn’t have many options with this pick. The lone other player I really considered with this pick is Alabama’s Julio Jones. I ended up going with Jordan because I feel like that, by now, Washington must know that if they are going to switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, they absolutely must draft accordingly. In 2009, the Packer switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and drafted accordingly, bringing in B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews in the first round of the draft. They made an effort to make sure that the transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4 would go smoothly, and it resulted in the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL in the first season with the new defense. In 2010, Washington went from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and drafted no players in the entire draft that had any experience in a 3-4 in college or would be well suited in a 3-4 at the NFL level, and, not surprisingly, they finished with the 31st ranked defense in the NFL during their first season with the 3-4. The lack of an effort by Washington to change their defensive personnel in 2010 killed them this year, and I don’t think they will make that mistake again. Regarding Jordan, he seems like an underrated prospect. He is an exceptional pass rusher for a 290 pound prospect, he is pretty athletic, he uses his hands well to shed off blocks, he is very versatile, he has a long wingspan, and and he has been very productive at Cal. A good prospect, and this would be a good pick for Washington.

11. Houston Texans- Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
Very few people have Robert Quinn falling this far. The Texans (who are switching to a 3-4 this year) really don’t have many options with this pick. They need a pass rusher (23rd ranked pass rush in the NFL), and Quinn fits the bill. The only thing that makes me hesitant is the fact that I don’t like converting a 270 lb end to 3-4 outside linebacker. The best 3-4 outside linebackers in the NFL, such as James Harrison, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware, Joey Porter, and Cameron Wake, are all well under 265. I’ll make an exception for Quinn, whom I believe is fast enough for linebacker at the NFL level. If the Texans stay off Quinn, they will probably draft Adrian Clayborn or Julio Jones, with Jones being a second receiver to Andre Johnson. However, I really think Quinn is an overrated prospect. My main issue with Quinn is his stats. At first glance, his stats appear to be great; 52 tackles, 11 sacks Sophomore year. But let’s take a closer look. Let’s divide the stats from all of the North Carolina games last year based on the strength of the teams Quinn played against. Against The Citadel, East Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Southern, Duke, Boston College, and North Carolina State (7 games), he got ALL of his 11 sacks and 33 of his tackles; against Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Miami, Connecticut, and Georgia Tech (6 games), he got a mere 19 tackles and 0 sacks! That is a staggering dispersion of stats between teams he played! He made absolutely no impact in games against good teams, yet he dominated against bad teams. First of all, this is pretty awful. I don’t care if he can dominate against whatever tackle the Citadel has. Considering he played in the ACC, he was engulfed and dominated by every lineman that could be considered average that he faced. His lack of production against decent linemen makes me think he won’t be a legitimately good prospect at the NFL level (think: Vernon Gholston, who took over the Big Ten in one of its worst years). But, I will admit this; I have an extremely clouded opinion of Quinn. I can’t get game film on Quinn playing against these bad teams. The five games in which I have seen him play are the ones against the teams I considered good (except I didn’t see him play Georgia Tech). He didn’t get over three tackles or a sack in any of those games. And, honestly, amateur or pro scout, if someone sees an end play 5 games, get 0 sacks and 3 tackles or less in every game, and then get suspended for an entire season, and this scout is told that he is an early first round prospect, would they think he is overrated? Absolutely.

12. Minnesota Vikings- Cory Liuget, DT, Illinois
I want to start out by saying that I don’t think defensive end is the slightest position of need for the Vikings. Although the Vikings have the 20th ranked pass rush in the NFL, it had nothing to do with the play of Ray Edwards and Jared Allen. Somehow, the Williams duo plus every linebacker on the team got a combined 3 sacks. But the 19.5 sacks put up by Edwards and Allen is pretty impressive, and isn’t an issue. Pat Williams is 38 and the Vikings need youth at defensive tackle. Liuget was a late riser whom I haven’t got much game film on yet, but I will see some Illinois games over the next few days on ESPN3. Analysis will come soon.

13. Detroit Lions- Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
I considered Ryan Kerrigan, Aldon Smith, and Akeem Ayers with this pick, but I went with Smith because of the Lions’ need for an improvement at corner. I think the Lions are headed in the right direction, so I am not very confident the Lions won’t be smart enough to draft another player, but they need a corner. I haven’t seen much of Colorado this season, but Colorado has the 110th ranked pass defense in the FBS yet most scouts say they will have 2 corners drafted (Smith and Jalil Brown). I can’t be the only one that notices this issue. I haven’t seen much of Smith this season (again, I’ll watch them on ESPN3 soon), but 68 tackles? I have never seen so many tackles from a corner. To get that many tackles, Smith is probably awful in coverage. I see a lot of size speed, but the outlook does not look good. Many people will content that his supporting cast is awful and that’s why the pass defense numbers are so bad. But, how can these people explain Texas? Awful supporting cast for corners Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown in the Big 12, but they can overcome their supporting cast and have the 8th ranked pass defense in the NCAA! Why can’t Smith and Jalil Brown do that with Colorado? Because they aren’t that good! I’ll get back to you guys on Smith later.

14. St. Louis Rams- Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
This was a pretty easy pick. The Rams are in desperate need of a wide receiver, and Julio Jones would be good value at pick 14. Coming into the season, I though Jones was overrated. He got a mere 596 receiving yards sophomore year. But this year, I saw a significant improvement from Jones, getting 1113 receiving yards Junior year. And that improvement in production makes him an underrated prospect. He has impressive size and strength, and he is pretty athletic, but his route running is mediocre and his hands are extremely inconsistent. A great fit for St. Louis.

15. Miami Dolphins- Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Mark Ingram would be a good player for the Dolphins. The Emmit Smith comparisons are very apt. He isn’t too fast, but he is a really tough runner with outstanding vision and strength. His is extremely productive, and he has excellent hands. The Dolphins are very desperate for a running back, and Ingram’s yards per carry is ridiculous. A good fit here. Ingram will do well with the Dolphins.

16. Jacksonville Jaguars- Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
It’s never easy to tell what the Jaguars will do with their picks. This year, I see them drafting either Kerrigan, Aldon Smith, or Adrian Clayborn. I see them drafting Kerrigan because of their recent history of drafting high character guys that don’t have a ton of physical tools (such as Tyson Alualu, Eugene Monroe, and Eben Britton). Kerrigan isn’t fast, but he uses his hands well, and he is absolutely relentless in pursuit. No player on the Jaguars got over 5 sacks last year, which is pretty awful, and Kerrigan could change that.

17. New England Patriots- J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
J.J. Watt would be a very good fit for the Patriots. They’ve gotta pick a 3-4 end. This year, opposite Gerard Warren (who isn’t that good anyway), they used a pretty pitiful rotation of Mike Wright, Ron Brace (who is pretty good, but is best fit for nose tackle), Brandon Deaderick, Myron Pryor, and Kyle Love. Ty Warren will be returning to the Pats this year, but there is no guarantee that he will be healthy, and Watt would be an improvement over Gerard Warren regardless. I also considered Adrian Clayborn and Aldon Smith here. I think Watt’s intangibles is a more natural fit for the Patriots over Clayborn, and Smith’s lack of experience doesn’t make him seem like a great fit for New England. Any of these players would be good here. Watt has underrated quickness, good strength, and he uses his hands well to shed off blocks. Watt would be a good pick here, and I think he is an underrated prospect.

18. San Diego Chargers- Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
I think Solder is the best tackle of this year’s draft class. He is an outstanding athlete with a lot of strength and potential, and he is among the best run blockers of this years draft class. His strength is outstanding, he plays hard, and he is a very productive run blocker, but he has one major flaw in his game; he can’t stay low in pass protection. He has tremendous height, so he really needs to learn how to stay low in pass protection to get good leverage in pass protection. He is a very poor pass blocker for this reason. But he is a small change in fundamentals away from becoming a tremendous player, and I think he has the work ethic to make this change in fundamentals , which makes him an underrated prospect. He will probably replace Jeromey Clarey at right tackle. Adrian Clayborn, who wold probably replace Jacques Cesaire, would be another good option, but Solder would be a good pick.

19. New York Giants- Stephon Paea, DT, Oregon State
This would be a bit of a reach here, but I have absolutely no idea why so many people think the Giants need a lineman. They allowed 16 sacks last season, tied for fewest in the NFL last season, and they got among the most rushing yards of any team in the league. Offensive line is not an issue. I am not to0 high on Paea. He is very short, he is poor at using his hands, and he isn’t the best athlete. However he has impressive strength, and he would be an upgrade over Chris Canty. This pick would be as reach, but the Giants don’t have many options.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
Clayborn is a good prospect, and would be a great fit for Tampa at pick 20. Tampa is in desperate need of a defensive end. Their leading pass rusher last year, Stylez White, got 4.5 sacks last year, and Clayborn would be a good fit for Tampa Bay. He is very athletic, he uses his hands well to shed off blocks, he is instinctive, and he has good strength. He also has a lot of quickness off the ball and he plays very hard. However, he did regress as a pass rusher this year, and he has some character issues. However, his on field intensity makes not worry as much about his character issues and makes me think he is an underrated prospect. A good player and a great fit for Tampa.

21. Kansas City Chiefs- Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri
With Mike Vrabel at the age of 35, the Kansas City Chiefs need an outside linebacker, and Aldon Smith would be a great fit in a 3-4 outside linebacker position. I love Smith and it kills me to have him fall this far in a mock. I will be honest; Smith’s athleticism is overrated. It’s slightly above average. Nothing that special. Not as good as everyone says it is. But that doesn’t mean he is an overrated prospect. I have never seen a player that has learned the fundamentals of football as quick as he has. He played wide receiver in high school, but in redshirt freshman year, he was one of 6 players in the country with 60 or more tackles and 10 or more sacks. A redshirt freshman new to defensive end with those kind of numbers? Unbelievable. His numbers make him really underrated. Not only that, but his greatest strength is his uses of hands. His array of pass rush moves is astounding and nothing short of perfect, he has outstanding short area quickness, and he has suddenness with the use of his hands. I will never know how he managed to become such a polished player with the use of his hands in such a short amount of time, but it is astonishing. Smith is a great player, he is such a quick learner that I have absolutely no fear in how well his transition to linebacker will go, he has the instincts and speed for linebacker, and he will have success wherever he goes. This would be a good pick for Kansas City.

22. Indianapolis Colts- Justin Houston- DE, Georgia
I know I am in the minority with this pick, but why not? Houston would be a bit of a reach here, but I have absolutely no idea why so many people think the Colts need a lineman. They allowed 16 sacks last season, tied for fewest in the NFL last season. The Colts tend to crave undersized defensive ends in their 4-3, with the 6’1 Dwight Freeney and the 245lb Robert Mathis starting at end, Mathis is a free agent 2012 and is unhappy with his contract, and the Colts don’t have a history of drafting players for need (Mike Pollak when they have Jeff Saturday and Donald Brown when they have Addai come to mind). At 255lbs, Houston fits their history of undersized speedy pass rushing defensive lineman and makes a lot of sense here.

23. Philadelphia Eagles- Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
Philadelphia doesn’t exactly have many options with this pick. They really need an offensive tackle to play opposite Jason Peters (Winston Justice was awful last year), and Carimi’s run blocking ability would really help the Eagles. He is tall, athletic, and strong but he really needs to improve his ability to combat pass rush moves and good fundamentals. This would be a solid pick.

24. New Orleans Saints- Mike Pouncey, C, New Orleans
I considered Muhammad Wilkerson here, but Jonathan Goodwin isn’t a very good center and Mike Pouncey would be an improvement here. Mike isn’t as good as his brother. He fails to snap the ball successfully often, and he isn’t actually a great blocker, but he has the on field awareness to make valuable audibles and line calls before the play. Would be a decent pick.

25. Seattle Seahawks- Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
I have always loved Harris, whom would be an immediate impact on the Seahawks 27th ranked pass defense in the NFL. I agree with everything my colleague Jesse Bartolis said about Harris. I love Harris’ intangibles and fluidity as an athlete. And Harris would be a major improvement over Kelly Jennings immediately. This would be a good pick.

26. Baltimore Ravens- Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA
I considered Aaron Williams here, but the Ravens need an improvement at outside linebacker opposite Terrell Suggs, and Ayers could be the guy. Jarrett Johnson got only 1.5 sacks at outside linebacker last year for the 27th ranked pass rush in the NFL (I can’t believe it either), and that’s unacceptable in a 3-4 defense. Ayers is an athletic linebacker that has a lot of coverage skills and strength, but he is a raw prospect. He could afford to improve his instincts, and he is poor with the use of his hands, but he has great height and athleticism that would allow him to be a playmaker in a 3-4 at the NFL level. His pass rush skills (4 sacks at 4-3 outside linebacker, which is pretty rare) would be a good fit for Baltimore, and this would be a good pick.

27. Atlanta Falcons- Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
I love Torrey Smith and I think he will be a pro bowl receiver at the NFL level, and the Falcons are in desperate need of a receiver that will play opposite Roddy White, but I don’t feel too confident with this pick because Smith is an exact clone of Roddy White. They couldn’t be much more alike. Smith would be an immediate improvement over Michael Jenkins, but Smith isn’t the tall back-of-the-end-zone threat that would be an ideal compliment to White. White and Smith are identical prospects. It’s almost spooky. They are both 6’1, run a sub 4.45 40, one has a 14.5 career yards per catch (Smith), the other has a 14.1 career yards per catch (White), and, if this mock comes true, they would both be 27th overall picks by the Falcons! They are also both excellent route runners and fluid athletes, but the both will trap some passes against their frame. The resemblance is unbelievable. And, even though Smith is a great player, he isn’t the big receiver that will make catches in the back of the end zone that would be a good compliment to White. He is White. Part of the reason I like think Smith is underrated is because of his resemblance to White. I have a feeling they will have identical careers. But they aren’t the best compliments to each other. However. considering how well the Donald Driver/Greg Jennings tandem worked out for Green Bay the past few years, I think the same could happen with White/Smith. And that’s why I think Smith will go here. And he will be a great player.

28. New England Patriots- Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
In a few days, I am going to come out with an article about taking running backs in the first round. To be honest, in this scenario, I see the Patriots trading down as usual, but, if they pick anyone, I think it will be LeShoure. In this mock, the Patriots have very few options with this pick. They end up filling their biggest hole by drafting J.J. Watt for defensive end at pick 18, all the top tier outside linebackers are already taken, and they have the option to reach on a big receiver like Jonathan Baldwin, but it doesn’t sound like Patriots football to reach on a player. I ended up going with LeShoure because, even with the emergence of BenJarvus Green-Ellis (an awesome name), the Patriots have a history of using multiple running backs, and Danny Woodhead is too small for a major workload. LeShoure is an underrated prospect that is big, and he moves really well for a 230lb back (think Steven Jackson), plus he has been very durable and his vision is excellent. Also, considering Illinois never passes, his receiving numbers are insane for a big back. He has absolutely no downside whatsoever.

29. Chicago Bears- Tyron Smith, OT, USC
This scenario would make the Bears extremely happy. The only thing that could possibly stop the Bears from drafting Smith is the historical ineptitude of the Bears scouting department when drafting offensive linemen. They always turn out terrible. And it may make the Bears draft some other lineman, aka Castonzo. Smith is a solid player. To me, he always seemed like a “jack of all trades, but the master of none,” kind of tackle. I see good (but not great), athleticism, intangibles, strength, on field awareness, and polish from Smith. He is among the safest picks among all linemen in the draft, but he also doesn’t have a very high ceiling. This would be a good pick for the Bears, and an immediate improvement on a Chicago offensive line that allowed the most sacks in the NFL last season.

30. New York Jets- Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple
As I have said before, I hate making a player transition from defensive tackle to defensive end when switching him from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4, but Muhammad Wilkerson is a good player. Because I don’t like making these guys change positions, I feel that Cameron Heyward would be a better pick here, but I adore Muhammad Wilkerson. He is an outstanding pass rusher (which is why most think he would do well at end) for a defensive tackle, he is pretty athletic, he uses his hands well to shed off blocks, and his numbers are just ridiculous (68 tackles and 10 sacks in 2010), but he has mediocre short are quickness. He is an underrated player, but I still think he would be better suited for defensive tackle. This would be an okay pick for the Jets.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers- Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
This is an easy pick to mock. The Steelers offensive line has been horrendous for a while, and Castonzo would probably start immediately. I always thought he was overrated. He is an awful pass blocker and his strength is mediocre, but he is a solid athlete with good size and some potential. This would be a decent pick for Pittsburgh.

32. Green Bay Packers- Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
My favorite team is pretty lucky (I’m from Cincy, but my mom is from Green Bay). Rarely does a Super Bowl winning team have a need that will be easy to fill with their first pick. As mentioned before, most of Packers needs the Packers have will be filled via injured players returning, but the Packers have two needs that won’t be filled this way; 3-4 end opposite Cullen Jenkins and 3-4 outside linebacker opposite Clay Matthews. Ryan Pickett is a good player, but at 340lbs, it’s amazing that the Packers survived with him playing end. Frank Zombo isn’t a long term solution at outside linebacker. And it would take a miracle for Heyward, Akeem Ayers, J.J. Watt, Aldon Smith, Muhammad Wilkerson, Cameron Jordan, Justin Houston, and Christian Ballard to all be drafted before Green Bay picks. So Green Bay will have an easy pick to make. With 4 sacks this year, Heyward is slightly overrated due to his poor numbers, but he is an ideal fit for 3-4 defensive end because of his bulk and experience at defensive end. Heyward has solid strength and quickness, but he is inconsistent and he has mediocre athleticism. But this would be a good, easy pick for the Packers.

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1. Carolina Panthers--------Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
2. Denver Broncos----------Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
3. Buffalo Bills--------------Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
4. Cincinnati Bengals-------AJ Green, WR, Georgia
5. Arizona Cardinals--------Von Miller OLB, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland Browns--------Nick Fairley, DE/DT, LSU
7. San Francisco 49ers------Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
8. Tennessee Titans---------Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
9. Dallas Cowboys----------Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
10. Washington Redskins---Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
11. Houston Texans---------Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina
12. Minnesota Vikings-------Jake Locker, QB, Washington
13. Detroit Lions-------------J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
14. St. Louis Rams----------Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
15. Miami Dolphins----------Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
16. Jacksonville Jags--------Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
17. New England Patriots----Cam Jordan, DE, California
18. San Diego Chargers----Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple
19. New York Giants--------Tyron Smith, OT, USC
20. Tampa Bay Bucs--------Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
21. Kansas City Chiefs------Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
22. Indianapolis Colts-------Anthony Castonzo, OT, BC
23. Philadelphia Eagles------Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
24. New Orleans Saints-----Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
25. Seattle Seahawks-------Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida
26. Baltimore Ravens-------Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
27. Atlanta Falcons----------Derek Sherrod, OT, Miss State
28. New England Patriots---Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn State
29. Chicago Bears-----------Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
30. New York Jets-----------Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State
31. Pittsburgh Steelers----Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
32. Green Bay Packers----Brooks Reed, OLB/DE, Arizona

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6. Cleveland Browns--------Nick Fairley, DE/DT, LSU
7. San Francisco 49ers------Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU




Why the hell would anyone seriously consider Fairley over Peterson if Peterson is sitting there?

Any chance you get to make an opposing team one dimensional, you take it.

Of course, this is only my opinion.

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DL > CB. Also perhaps fairley takes away the run game, that would then be taking one aspect away.


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Bpa standArds says: Peterson > fairley. Atleast in my book.


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I'm not high on Fairley, underszed Dts who penetrate are always worrisome to me, see Peria Jerry or Glenn Dorsey. I was making the arguement for Dline in general.


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Whichever of these guys Heckert decides on will be fine by me.

I suspect that 2 QBs and Peterson will be gone before we pick. I could see a situation where 2 QB, Peterson, Green, and Miller are all gone ..... and we have a choice between whatever DL Denver doesn't take.

I dunno though .... if it comes down to Fairley, Peterson, and either Bowers or Dareus ..... who do you take?

I'd be hard pressed to pass on a real force on the DL. If you can pressure the QB and help stop the run at the DL level, you help your LBs and secondary quite a bit.

I think we're going to have a hard decision when our pick rolls around.


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I hope you are right. I really want our FO to have a hard decision between 2 of the 3 best players in this draft (Bowers, Dareus, Peterson).

at that point, whichever player we pick, we win (personally, the above order is the order in which I would pick them but I wouldn't mind any other order either)


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I could see a situation where 2 QB, Peterson, Green, and Miller are all gone ..... and we have a choice between whatever DL Denver doesn't take.





If those 5 guys are gone when we pick, then Denver did not take a DL.


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I could see a situation where 2 QB, Peterson, Green, and Miller are all gone ..... and we have a choice between whatever DL Denver doesn't take.





If those 5 guys are gone when we pick, then Denver did not take a DL.




I assume he has us trading down 1 spot to pickup an extra 2nd round pick because 2 DL guys that were tied on our board were still there


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I could see a situation where 2 QB, Peterson, Green, and Miller are all gone ..... and we have a choice between whatever DL Denver doesn't take.





If those 5 guys are gone when we pick, then Denver did not take a DL.




Ooops. LOL Well, we might even have a choice between either guy then.

The fun (and funny) part about this draft is that most of the usual "premium" positions (QB, LT, RB, OLB, CB) are fairly week, and really lack depth, and this could "panic" some teams into overvaluing talent in order to fill positions. DL is incredibly deep, and we should see a DL in the 2nd round available who might ordinarily warrant 1st round consideration.

This draft could, and should work out very well for us as the position we are weakest at is the position where this draft is deepest.


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I don't think that CB is weak this year at all. Neither at the elite level or depth.

Outside of that, I agree and hope it plays out that way.


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Gawd, I hope so! That would likely leave 3 of the top players in the draft left on the board.

I don't really see the QB's going that high though, unless someone trades up in desperation. "Worst case" scenerio would probably be (and the way I see the draft going right now):

1. Carolina Panthers--------Da'Quan Bowers DE, Clemson
2. Denver Broncos----------Patrick Peterson CB, LSU
3. Buffalo Bills---------------Marcel Dareus, DE, Alabama
4. Cincinnati Bengals-------AJ Green WR, Gerogia
5. Arizona Cardinals--------Von Miller OLB, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland Browns--------Nick Fairley DT/DE, Auburn
7. San Francisco 49ers------Blaine Gabbert QB, Missouri
8. Tennessee Titans---------Cam Newton QB, Auburn

"Worst" being that Fairly is the one guy with a few red flags. If any of the QB's get taken in front of us, that just means one more "elite" guy to chose from that I would happily take.

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With 4 of the 5 teams picking ahead of us in need of a QB, I'll be a little shocked if one doesn't pull the trigger on a QB. Heck I wish 3 of them would take a QB in the top 5, but I don't see that as being too realistic. Maybe a team like the Redskins at 10 tries to trade up too who knows teams make panic decisions every year. Some times it works out.


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What is (in everyone's opinion) the % chances that we are flat out surprised on draft day without a trade down? I mean last year a lot of people "mocked" us taking Haden or Berry if he fell. But this year what if it's someone that we have no idea?

I mean, is there really a chance that if a guy like Green or Peterson or Bowers or Dareus is still on the board ... what are the chances that we take a Watt, Kerrigan, Amukara, or another real good player that many have seemed to overlook with the 6th pick?


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I mean, is there really a chance that if a guy like Green or Peterson or Bowers or Dareus is still on the board ...




well, that's 4 players and there are 5 picks ahead of us. if 2 picks ahead of us go QB and/or Von Miller, then one of those 4 will be there. Most have at least one QB going top5 and I haven't seen a mock without Von Miller in the top5, so I would say the odds are pretty good, but you never know.


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Right, but that's not what I asked. What I was saying was IF those guys are still there (which should happen) what are the chances that we actually let them slide by and take a player that many think is a reach ... similar to how TJ Ward was a good pick but there were more talented players on the board at the time?

I just want to know if anyone thinks that if Green or Dareus (or whoever) is on the board .. that we PASS on them?


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similar to how TJ Ward was a good pick but there were more talented players on the board at the time?




How do we know our front office didn't think Ward was the most talented player available?

After the way he played last year it seems like he might have been more talented than anyone else at that point.

The only guys that I see that might be more talented (and taken after Ward in the 2nd round) are Rob Gronkowski and Carlos Dunlap.

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I just want to know if anyone thinks that if Green or Dareus (or whoever) is on the board .. that we PASS on them?




No. If one of those two is there I think that has to be the pick. (Assuming Peterson is gone also.)

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I think it's waaaaay more likely they pass on Green than on Dareus. You don't find tackles as big, strong, and athletic with no motivation problems like Dareus. The drop off in talent at DT from Dareus and fairley to the next tier is so huge in my opinion that they'd be crazy not to take Marcel if he's available.

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DL > CB.



Not in my opinion.

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Perhaps, but Peterson and Haden absolutely take away the passing game.

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I dunno though .... if it comes down to Fairley, Peterson, and either Bowers or Dareus ..... who do you take?



Peterson for reasons already stated.

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I'd be hard pressed to pass on a real force on the DL. If you can pressure the QB and help stop the run at the DL level, you help your LBs and secondary quite a bit.



If you take away an opponent's ability to pass the ball, you make the job of the DL and LBs easy.

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I don't think that CB is weak this year at all. Neither at the elite level or depth.

Outside of that, I agree and hope it plays out that way.




I agree that this draft isn't all that weak at the CB position, but I still want the best one we can get. If Peterson is there, in my estimation, you have to select him. No doubt about it.

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As Von Miller is part of the lawsuit against the NFL (and thereby, the owners), I think he's hurting his stock value as a complainant. He might get drafted that high anyway, but I would not be surprised to see him fall (and possibly, quite dramatically) because of it.

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I dunno though .... if it comes down to Fairley, Peterson, and either Bowers or Dareus ..... who do you take?




Dareus for me.


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