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Yeah, iPad is pretty much just an iPod Maxi. ... or a MaxiPad. 
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You're missing a hefty markup (as is the case on all electronics devices) for starters, but yes, the larger touchscreen does cost more to manufacture, and is the primary reason why the resolution of the new iPad isn't the same as that of the iPhone 4 and current iPod Touch (the so-called Retina Display, which, if I do say so myself, looks amazing). The price you're seeing for the iPad is also a year-old price, as Apple doesn't discount the cost of their products until a newer model comes out. So, a more apt comparison would be the specs of the original iPad vs the previous (3rd generation) iPod Touch, or of the iPad 2 vs. the current iPod Touch. in either instance, the differences are more than just the size of the screen.
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So what are the differences between iPod touch 4g and iPad 2g? other than screen size?
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The biggest differences will be the display size vs. resolution, the processor speed and, potentially, more RAM, though that won't be known until somebody, probably ifixit.com, gets one and rips it apart.
The best comparison I've heard for the iPad 2 vs the iPad would be the change from the original iPhone to the iPhone 3G, in which the primary differences were the physical housing, addition of GPS and support for the 3G network. Beyond that, the two were quite similar.
The iPad 2 doesn't necessarily represent great value for owners of the current iPad (though I do believe a few of my friends have been able to sell theirs for anywhere from $250 to $400, depending on configuration), but is more of a natural progression of the product and is targeted at new users. The iPad also has, apparently, found a lot of support in enterprise and institutional arenas where being the absolute state-of-the-art isn't necessarily the top priority.
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They both have the A4 processor and 256mb of ram. You would think if the iPad 2g was adding more memory Steve jobs would have mentioned that at his release.
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The iPad 2 has a dual-core A5.
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lol, adding a camera and slightly increasing the speed = mindblowing? haha obviously an apple fan boy. 
So there's nothing to be said about the fact that it's 33% thinner than the original and still has the battery life yet has 2x faster CPU and 9x faster graphics?
And like I said...it's all about the SOFTWARE and the OPERATING SYSTEM. The way the synergy with all the other Apple products is nothing short of awesome.
GarageBand and iMovie truly blow me away.
Here's another thing: techies always spout off tech specs like it means something. The same people who tout Windows' superiority because PC's are "so much more powerful" despite getting what you pay for (read: budget PC's are crap) and a user experience that downright stinks.
Macs may not have the specs of PC's...but I'll be damned if the user experience isn't beyond superior. My Mac hasn't slowed down one bit in the year and a half I've owned it.
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Ammo, I love my Mac but lets not anoint Apple as the second coming here, they aren't.
My first iMac was an iMac 20 purchased in 2005, $1400. I purchased the extended warranty with it so I was covered for 3 years, at 2 years and 10 months the mother board fried. So they come out and put in a new mother board, wonderful I thought. 4 months later, the new mother board fries. This time the warranty has expired and they tell me it's going to be $700 to fix it. $700 for a freakin' mother board? The fact they just put this new one in didn't matter to them as it was only warrantied for 3 months. It's not like I can just go to a local store and pick one up for $100 bucks like I could if it was a PC, install it and move on. Nope I'm stuck, it's $700 or nothing. Since I'm not about to put $700 into a machine that will likely fry again in another 3 months, I decide to upgrade.
So now it's December 2008, I purchase a Mac 24" $1800, 2 years and 2 months into this purchase, the hard drive fails, I wait 5 days for them to come out and swap out the hard drive, that was 3 weeks ago. So now I sit and wait for this one to die and if on que Apple does it to me again, I'll be done with Apple and buy a PC that I can readily fix myself in a matter of hours.
In that same time frame I've been using the same Dell laptop for work without a hiccup, I may think that windows sucks and love Leopard but its getting a tad bit expensive to love this OS and not be able to get parts for it at a reasonable price and I'm seriously questioning the reliability of this product.
You've only had yours for a year and a half, get your check book ready brother, it's about time to open it.
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J/C. I'm am not a computer guru but I can get around a computer pretty good. My first computer was a hand me down from an uncle. Since than I have had nothing but PC. The reason I switched was because of ease when needing programs or software which is the reason I have never understood the love for Mac. Why would someone spend more money for and go through al the hassle for parts when you have PC
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I love PCs. I can fix just about anything that needs fixing, and find parts anywhere. I can also find tons of freeware. (Many which are better than programs you have to pay for)
Macs are proprietary .... they get a piece of everything, from parts, to software. (even from 3rd party suppliers)
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Tulsa,
Your concerns are incredibly valid, that certainly can't be denied. That said, if you had fried three motherboards on your iMac in the span of a few months' time, the problem would very likely be more deeply seated than just an issue with that part, and they almost certainly would've taken care of you.
As far as the hard drive goes, its a hard drive...they fail. Apple doesn't use special "Apple" hard drives...they're using the same Seagates, Hitachis, WDs and Fujitsus that everyone else puts in their computers.
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Yes, I'm aware the hard drive is just a hard drive and had it not been for voiding my warranty, I would have just taken care of it myself. Instead I had to wait my 5 days for the tech to come out and swap it. I'm going to have to see this machine last considerably longer than my warranty to continue with Apple.
I will say this about the hard drive, when my iMac G5 died I removed that hard drive and bought a case for it and now use it as my time machine drive. So that first drive I had is still kicking after 5 plus years. I only turn it on though to make back ups, then turn it off again.
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If you love MacOS but want the ease of a working on a PC, just build a hackintosh.
You've got your copy of the OS, just buy the parts and build it yourself.... no more paying Apple premiums, no more worrying about warranty's and no more waiting on techs.... but you still get to have a "Mac".
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This wasn't a debate about PC vs Mac until after your post.
What this debate really was towards is why apple truly felt the need to release this current iPad when they already had plans to release a TRUE upgraded version in the fall of this year?
Don't get me wrong, I would like an iPad. But I can't bring myself to buy one because every time I think I might, I hear about a new release, so I just say I might as well wait and get the latest and greatest.
After playing with the Xoom tablet, I have seriously reconsidered the the direction I will go. At this point I'm going to see what happens to the market in 2011, as there is going to be a lot of development in the tablet market this year.
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That certainly is an option, depending on what the computer is used for. I wouldn't use a hackintosh for any sort of commercial work where you run the risk of being audited.
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Twice you've stated with absolute certainty that they will be releasing a new iPad in the fall. Link please?
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PunchSmack, I love me MAc. Not ready for the IP Dos, but good stuff. I am too old to need every conceivable wrinkle and sun comes up OK without it. Solid product that I have used for years.
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Twice you've stated with absolute certainty that they will be releasing a new iPad in the fall. Link please?
I've read in in many articles. Nothing official from Apple though.
A simple google of iPad3 comes up with many articles. But Unlike other posters here, who would tell you to google it yourself, I will do it for you. 
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The Apple staffer's lack of enthusiasm for the iPad 2 and praise for the iPad 3, which recent reports say will ship later this year, are in line with what IDC analyst Tom Mainelli told PCWorld in January.
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But will Apple's iPad 3 arrive by fall?
In reaction to HP's new TouchPad, Apple watcher John Gruber writes today on Daring Fireball, "If my theory is right, they’re not only going to be months behind the iPad 2, but if they slip until late summer, they might bump up against the release of the iPad 3."
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Now to be fair, I see as many articles stating it may not arrive until spring of 2012 as well. But I have been seeing the fall rumors for sometime, and many are said to be coming from inside Apple itself.
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If you love MacOS but want the ease of a working on a PC, just build a hackintosh.
You've got your copy of the OS, just buy the parts and build it yourself.... no more paying Apple premiums, no more worrying about warranty's and no more waiting on techs.... but you still get to have a "Mac".
I've never heard of hackintosh, thank you!
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This wasn't a debate about PC vs Mac until after your post.
What this debate really was towards is why apple truly felt the need to release this current iPad when they already had plans to release a TRUE upgraded version in the fall of this year?
Don't get me wrong, I would like an iPad. But I can't bring myself to buy one because every time I think I might, I hear about a new release, so I just say I might as well wait and get the latest and greatest.
After playing with the Xoom tablet, I have seriously reconsidered the the direction I will go. At this point I'm going to see what happens to the market in 2011, as there is going to be a lot of development in the tablet market this year.
How is iPad2 NOT a "true" upgrade over iPad 1?
-It was completely re-designed. Completely.
-2x Faster CPU, ok, I can understand that not being a real leap forward, but 9x faster graphics? GIGANTIC.
I know a lot of people wanted a Retina display but let's be honest, not even 24" iMacs have resolutions that intense. Plus the processing power to do that on a 9 inch screen really isn't worth it, especially when you hold an iPad further away from your eye than you would an iPhone.
And I'll bet almost anything that the September iPad 3 rumors are bogus. That's just not how Apple works.
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Those same reports also had Apple releasing the iPhone on Verizon two years ago and you see how that went.
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This wasn't a debate about PC vs Mac until after your post.
What this debate really was towards is why apple truly felt the need to release this current iPad when they already had plans to release a TRUE upgraded version in the fall of this year?
Don't get me wrong, I would like an iPad. But I can't bring myself to buy one because every time I think I might, I hear about a new release, so I just say I might as well wait and get the latest and greatest.
After playing with the Xoom tablet, I have seriously reconsidered the the direction I will go. At this point I'm going to see what happens to the market in 2011, as there is going to be a lot of development in the tablet market this year.
How is iPad2 NOT a "true" upgrade over iPad 1?
-It was completely re-designed. Completely.
-2x Faster CPU, ok, I can understand that not being a real leap forward, but 9x faster graphics? GIGANTIC.
I know a lot of people wanted a Retina display but let's be honest, not even 24" iMacs have resolutions that intense. Plus the processing power to do that on a 9 inch screen really isn't worth it, especially when you hold an iPad further away from your eye than you would an iPhone.
And I'll bet almost anything that the September iPad 3 rumors are bogus. That's just not how Apple works.
If it were a true upgrade, you should be able to come up with more than 2 bullet points worth of improvements. Like I said before, ipad1.5, nothing more. It's probably fine for those that don't have a tablet yet and want one. But those that have an ipad1 and are going to rush out and blow another $500+ on a ipad2 for what it offers, all I can say is 
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I would've Googled it myself, but I'm not the one making a factual claim based on articles that are speculating.
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That certainly is an option, depending on what the computer is used for. I wouldn't use a hackintosh for any sort of commercial work where you run the risk of being audited.
Unless the software license explicitly states that it can only be installed on Apple hardware, I wouldn't care.
If it does, I'd take that as Reason #1 to avoid the hell out of it and then just either stick with Windows 7 or switch to Linux. No OS is *that* good. Nobody should ever accept that level of dictation.
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That is part of the licensing agreement.
I think it's less to do with thinking it's "that good" and more to do with wanting to control the hardware support. Personally I can't complain yet...I have three Macs and have never had an issue with the hardware of any of them, but everyone's experience is obviously different.
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All the license states is: "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. " web page So I can put an apple sticker on my PC and legally install OSX? 
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I would've Googled it myself, but I'm not the one making a factual claim based on articles that are speculating.
I guess my humor at the "google it yourself" went over your head, or you don't know mac and I don't mean the mac by Apple.
And then you apparently didn't read through to the end where I stated "Now to be fair, I see as many articles stating it may not arrive until spring of 2012 as well."
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I did try to make a Hackintosh about a year before I got an actual Mac.
It worked to an extent, but drivers and other things weren't working right. Ultimately it wasn't worth the hassle.
Plus, it didn't have Apple's exceptional form factor.
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I try not to pay him much attention. I did see your disclaimer, but I also saw two previous posts without that caveat.
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If it were a true upgrade, you should be able to come up with more than 2 bullet points worth of improvements. Like I said before, ipad1.5, nothing more. It's probably fine for those that don't have a tablet yet and want one. But those that have an ipad1 and are going to rush out and blow another $500+ on a ipad2 for what it offers, all I can say is
Maybe I should of started a "Playstation 3: Version 2. Mind = Blown" thread when they came out with the newer version last year. It was half the size and had twice the memory!
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GarageBand and iMovie truly blow me away.
As someone who does a lot of video editing, let me be the first to say, iMovie sucks. Its terrible. Adobe/Final Cut are vastly superior. Garage band is alright, not great, but I prefer other products for my sound editing. If those mickey mouse programs blow you away well then there isn't a logic discussion to be had here. I'm an apple guy, I own a mac, ipod, and iphone but you come across as an over the top apple can do no wrong guy. Sorry the ipad 2 isn't much of an improvement. Its just not.
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Well that would deter her from making home movies, thus saving you the pain of having to watch them. 
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As someone who does a lot of video editing, let me be the first to say, iMovie sucks. Its terrible. Adobe/Final Cut are vastly superior. Garage band is alright, not great, but I prefer other products for my sound editing. If those mickey mouse programs blow you away well then there isn't a logic discussion to be had here. I'm an apple guy, I own a mac, ipod, and iphone but you come across as an over the top apple can do no wrong guy. Sorry the ipad 2 isn't much of an improvement. Its just not.
But are Adobe/Final Cut only $5?
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As someone who does a lot of video editing, let me be the first to say, iMovie sucks. Its terrible. Adobe/Final Cut are vastly superior. Garage band is alright, not great, but I prefer other products for my sound editing. If those mickey mouse programs blow you away well then there isn't a logic discussion to be had here. I'm an apple guy, I own a mac, ipod, and iphone but you come across as an over the top apple can do no wrong guy. Sorry the ipad 2 isn't much of an improvement. Its just not.
But are Adobe/Final Cut only $5?
But you said they were nothing short of incredible. I would take that to mean they rank high above anything else on the market or that you have personally used in your opinion.
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