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here's something to chew on.
The cavs have been awful this year, they will probably just barely beat the '03 cavs who were basically tanking. Yet they have wins over Boston, LA, Miami, and they have swept the knicks?
They have a date with the bulls on a friday night next month too.
kinda weird.
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I agree.
James is a great player. Is he a great Cavalier? I have a hard time saying that he is. He was a great player for the Cavaliers, but then screwed them, and the fans over in an inexcusable manner.
He's a great player, and no one can ever dispute that fact.
But ....... Is he a great Cavalier? I'd have to say no.
I would say no retirement for #23 in Cleveland. In fact, I hope they give his number away next year. Either that or retire it in honor of the fans ..... not James.
Oh ... and I'm not kidding about the fans either. Look at this year ..... and look at our attendance. Last I saw we were still top 5 in the NBA. For a team that has struggled as much as this one has, that really says something about the fans. I know that a lot of people had bought tickets already ... but still, people have stayed away from other sporting events even though they had tickets. The fans have still filled up the Q on most nights.
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I can't imagine any player in Cleveland would want #23 - no one would want that "legacy" of the previous jersey holder...
And I don't want it as a tribute to the fans. Yeah it was fun for 7 years - then he quit and kicked us in the balls on the way out. Find another number to tribute the fans.
I'd say just let it sit in a closet and collect dust. No one wears the number - it never gets retired... it just goes away forever.
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unless he apologized, came back, and won a title. fat chance of all 3 of those happening in succession.
Wow ... could you see him coming back to Cleveland (or trying to) as the prodigal son? Stranger things have happened and it's not like other times wouldn't want him (or that the Cavs would) ... but while I don't think he would actually come back to Cleveland... assuming that things don't turn out in miami the way that they wanted it ... I could see him going to another team within a few seasons ...
i always joke around with my friends that dan gilbert and lebron were in cahoots the entire time. lebron gets to go have fun in south beach, the cavs load up on lottery picks, lbj comes back after a few years, with young players and miami's future draft picks. it's ridiculous but funny to think about.
seriously though? yes i could see lebron back in cleveland one day. he'd have to have a sit down with dan gilbert, and they'd have to settle their obvious hate for each other, but i honestly could see the miami thing blowing up. if they don't win this year, there will be backlash from fans and media but they can play the first year card (even though they predicted 7 titles) but if they don't win it in year 2, then year 3 will be pressure packed, and they all have early termination clauses in their deals. so i think lbj would probably wanna come back if the cavs end up getting some studs in the lotto. but all that needs to happen first and then someone would have to extend an olive branch. and i'd think lbj would have to as gilbert won't be fooled twice.
it would be an incredible story. it's far fetched but not out of the realm of possibility.
with that being said, the dolans should be thanking the cavs for buttering up the fans for friday.
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I just saw that a fan won $10,000 with a 3 point shot during a 2nd quarter time out. That's really cool.
I think I might like seeing 23 just rot away. That might be more appropriate.
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I also have to give major, major props to Ryan Hollis.
He's been called weak, soft, and everything but a sissy on occasion ...... but he stepped up BIG today and set the physical tone for the game. He was a man today. Hopefully he keeps it up.
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i always joke around with my friends that dan gilbert and lebron were in cahoots the entire time.
Not sure he would write that scathing letter to Lebron and really hurt his chances of picking up free agents in the future.
I don't think the fans would WANT Lebron back. If the Cavs load up on lottery picks and suddenly Lebron wants back? Would anyone really want him back? That sounds like the stereotypical girl that gets dumped, but then gets hot and famous, and suddenly the creep boyfriend wants her back.
He would have to do some major, major damage control if that were to ever happen. Starting with a major apology, and admission that he wronged fans. Swallow his pride and wash it down with a side of humble pie ... then butter up Cleveland fans for a good 3 years or more. Even then I'm not so sure ... I mean, would anyone want Art Modell back as owner of the Browns?
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yeah but art modell isn't a triple double machine  lebron would have to change his attitude. if everything we have heard is true, or at least most of it. the whole entourage controlling the team, the shrugging off what coaches tell you to do, that stuff would have to go away. he would have to reinvent himself. but if he did? what if he held a press conference during his free agency. was sincere, apologetic, humble, humiliated? and said the only thing he wants is to bring cleveland what he promised? i would take him back. if he changed into the guy we thought he could be, i would. he meant so much to the cavs. they were so damn close. i wouldn't want him back with his current egotistical, narcissistic self. we don't need decision 2.0, stanky leg 2.0, or getting our balls kicked in by boston 3.0
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Art Modell wasn't a talent that could help win a Championship though.
I still don't think that I'd want him back.
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We should just make it so that the 15th player on the team each season is forced to wear #23.
Browns is the Browns
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I just watched the highlights .... and they showed James sitting on the bench during introductions. That was pretty bush league. He really is coming across as kind of a punk sonce he left Cleveland.
I loved seeing Hickson knock James on his ass after Hollis backed down Wade. That and Hollis having 2 blocks on consequetive shots were the highlights for me.
Davis could be the glue for this team next year though.
The announcers on NBA TV said that they had never seen anything like the officials giving the Heat the 3 at the end of the 3rd.
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When someone hears from the NBA on that 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter, please update here.
I can't believe that that's the correct ruling there.
I have to believe that due to a scoreboard error Miami would get to take the ball out of bounds again with 2.9 on the clock.
If it is the correct ruling then shouldn't all players play after the buzzer just in case the clock operator made a mistake?
It makes no sense.
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yup. it's like reviewing a call in football, and giving possession to a defensive player who picked up a fumble after the ref had blown the whistle.
what should have happened is that they replay the seconds. i don't understand how they got to that resolution. it's a good thing the game wasn't that close in the end.
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What I love is that the officials gave the Heat that 3 ..... and took away a 3 from the Cavaliers, (changed to a 2 point shot) and the Cavaliers still won going away. 
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Another funny stat ... this was their first double digit win of the season. 
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lebron would have to change his attitude. if everything we have heard is true, or at least most of it. the whole entourage controlling the team, the shrugging off what coaches tell you to do, that stuff would have to go away. he would have to reinvent himself.
but if he did? what if he held a press conference during his free agency. was sincere, apologetic, humble, humiliated? and said the only thing he wants is to bring cleveland what he promised?
i would take him back. if he changed into the guy we thought he could be, i would. he meant so much to the cavs. they were so damn close.
i wouldn't want him back with his current egotistical, narcissistic self. we don't need decision 2.0, stanky leg 2.0, or getting our balls kicked in by boston 3.0
I hope he comes back.....only because I'm sick of your current screen name. 
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ooo boy, am I glad I DVR'd this one. half-thought about skipping it entirely, but figured why not see if Baron would give us some fire.
and the fire came from Hollins? really Mr. Finesse was the firestarter? then it was Gee and Baron and everybody else including Anthony Parker. great, great effort.
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That's just insane.
Scary thing is we might be better off without James than we would have been if we had kept him. I know that's almost impossible to believe ..... but this team now has so many assets, and so many options .... and so many draft picks ....... whew.
Chris Grant has done one hell of a job so far recovering from absolute disaster.
I agree with the last line. Especially if we get the Pistons pick for taking on Rip this offseason too (for the trade exception). We needed to tank and grab extra picks to infuse our team with young talent (and getting Baron to magically play well is Byron proving he was a great hire)
But, better off without LeBron? We still very well could have made the Baron trade even with LeBron still on the roster (that trade is very much in line with what we had done the past few years). And, we'd have the best player in the league. A player that helped us win 61 games last year and we'd have a lot of those 'other' guys that were on that team too because they wouldn't have left the best player in the NBA. we'd still have flexibility and we'd still have assets (just not Miami's end of the 1st round picks)
especially in basketball, you are never better off without the elite talent. one or two elite guys can completely change the complexion of a team.
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We would have had no chance to grab 2 potentially elite types in this coming draft ..... and would not have many of the younger players we see developing if James had stayed. We would have grabbed any veteran we could to try to keep building that way .... even if it hamstrung us for years and years to come. We have to see how the labor situation washes out, and if there is a hard cap. If so, there may be a clause where each team can have 1 contract "forgiven" under the cap .... and release a player to get under the new cap. If exemptions vanish, then you could very easily see some quality talent on the market. Imagine how PO'd the Clipper would be if they could have dumped Davis' contract for nothing more than paying him off, and yet they gave up a lottery pick because they were uncertain. I have to say .. I really love some of the young talent on this team. They aren't superstars ..... but they are the kind of guys who you can surround a superstar with ... and they're young. I also see superstar potential in Hickson ..... and I think that Scott won't let him be anything less than a superstar. If he does become that star guy, and we add 2 more potential star players in this coming draft ..... who knows? I like what these guys have done so far.
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Was reading an article on si.com and the NBA said they should not have counted the 3. Would post the link but mobile links are frowned upon.
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Stu Jackson on NBA.com about the shotEssentially, he says the shot shouldn't have counted and the Heat should have had the ball out of bounds where LBJ took the shot and had the amount of time left on the clock that was left between 2.9 seconds and the amount of time he had the ball in his hands. Which would be approximately 0.9 or 1.0 secs.
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Back to the game ...... you know, I think that I like the Davis trade a lot. I was kinda worried about how he was going to react ... coming to a losing team in Cleveland ..... but it seems like he's almost like a coach on the floor. Here's an article about Hollis, (who deserves at least an article for the way he played) but there is also a Davis blurb ...... http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2011/03/with_ryan_hollins_not_backing.htmlWith Ryan Hollins not backing down, neither does the determined Cleveland Cavaliers in topping Miami Published: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:04 PM Updated: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:06 PM By Jodie Valade, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- First, Ryan Hollins had to be held back from Dwyane Wade. The two tangled beneath the basket in the first quarter, started jawing, and the next thing everyone knew, the Cavaliers' newly ordained starting center was nose-to-nose with the Miami guard. Both earned technical fouls, and the tone, unquestionably, was set. A few moments later, Hollins ran into LeBron James so hard that the headband of the former Cavalier flew off his noggin and onto the baseline. Hollins stuffed Heat big man Chris Bosh twice, Wade once, played physical defense and slammed home a thunderous dunk on a fast break at the game's end that brought the fans at The Q to their raucous loudest. In essence, Ryan Hollins did not play like Ryan Hollins on Tuesday. That made all the difference in not only helping to slow down Miami's Bosh, but setting a physical presence that the Cavaliers have lacked for most of this 15-58 season. "He started us off right away," Cavaliers coach Byron Scott said. "We talked about this all season long -- not allowing teams to go into the paint and get easy layups. He started off right away and that pretty much set the tone for us defensively." After Hollins stood up to Wade with 5:45 left in the first, the Cavaliers began playing with a hard-nosed nature that was missing the last time James was in Cleveland on Dec. 2. J.J. Hickson fouled James so hard that he fell onto his backside in the paint. Daniel Gibson grabbed at James' jersey and set him flying. It all began from the tone Hollins set on his way to 13 points and three blocked shots. He also helped Hickson limit Bosh to 10 points and four rebounds while creating a presence in the paint. "That's what I wanted to do -- inspire my teammates," Hollins said. "I don't see myself backing down from anyone in any game." But it was a side of Hollins the Cavaliers haven't seen from the 7-footer. He was inserted into the starting lineup three games ago primarily for the added length in the lineup, but only teammates and coaches said they saw the potential that was unveiled against the Heat. "He's a Bruin," said Cavaliers guard Baron Davis, a fellow UCLA product. "We know the talent is there, it's just a matter of him having that mentality. Since I've been here, I've been challenging him a lot. You can see us on the court, we go at it a lot. But I know I can challenge him to do the things necessary for us to win."Playing with Davis has inspired Hollins too, he said. His two-handed, fast-break dunk with 5:22 remaining pushed the Cavaliers lead to 87-83 and ignited the crowd again. "When you've got a guy like Baron Davis playing with you, you run a little harder and a little faster," Hollins said, smiling. In the end, Hollins' harder play is what made all the difference. "I felt like they came after me a little bit," he said of the Heat's attention. "If the other team is focused on me, it helps our team out."
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Maybe .... but look at how far Hickson has come this year. If he makes one quarter of that same type of jump again next year, he'll be a major superstar. If we get lucky and add another superstar in the draft, along with a "plus" player with the other pick and suddenly you've got something working that could be exciting.
There are a ton of "ifs" on this team .... but there's a ton of young guys with potential as well.
Erden, Hollis, and Varejao at Center.
Davis (OK, not young, but could be a maor factor) and Session at the point
Hickson, Jamison, (who will be tradable next year if we choose) Eyenga, Gee, Samuels, and Harangody at F
Add a consistent starting SF and SG and suddenly this team doesn't look too bad at all. (and actually, I would look for us to add a pair of SG in the draft .. at least) We have 4 picks in the upcoming draft, and this team may have to trade or release some talented players next year just because of the numbers. Who would have thought that could be the case?
Look at a starting 5 of Davis, Varejao, Hickson, and a high pick at SF and SG (who can create and consistently knock down shots) and with the backups already in place and this could be rather nice. The ability to bring another high quality PG like Sessions off the bench, being 3 deep at Center with Hollis and Erden, solid depth at PF with Jamison and others ..... and decent depth at SF with Harangody and others ...... I kind of like that idea.
You might disagree ... and probably do .... but I think that this team will be a whole lot better next year than most people think.
I also read something interesting the other day about franchise players in the NBA draft ..... and how there have been no franchise type players taken in the past 10 drafts after pick 10. That's amazing. We have 2 picks in the top 10 next year. Sure it "looks like" a week draft ... but who knows? Hopefully we get a choice between really lucky and really, really lucky.
Plus .... the Cavaliers will get 2 of the Heat 1st round picks taken in any of the 4 years from 2013-2017. If the Heat do implode .... or cap restriction tighten to the point where the Heat Choke on the contracts they gave out to the 3MeEgos ....... and we could possibly see another top 10 in there. (though not as likely as some other senarios) Plus, since the Heat have no draft picks for something like the next decade .... if their ablity to add players is dramatically diminished by a hard cap ... well .... they could have problems.
Anyway ... sure I'm an optimist ..... but that's just me. I love the depth that has been developed this year, and if we add a couple of top end players in the next draft .... well, then look out NBA.
Edit: Plus, we still have that big exemption if someone decides that they want ot need to drop a huge contract for a really good player ...... and want to sweeten the pot for us to take that contract off thei hands. There have been plenty of rumors swirling .... but if we can grab a 3rd 1st round lottery pick in this upcoming draft ....... well, then we have a pretty good shot at grabbing an elite player.
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You might disagree ... and probably do .... but I think that this team will be a whole lot better next year than most people think.
I don't think many here will disagree with this stance. The injuries (both real and exaggerated to "help" our team get the draft pick we need) along with learning the Byron Scott system and developing the young players played a large part into our record.
Next year we should be leaps and bounds better.
However, that doesn't mean we are better off without LeBron. A top5 NBA player doesn't come along that often. One doesn't exist in this draft (very, very rarely do they come out of the blue. Kobe is really the only example of one and there were Adidas shenanigans involved in that one).
The NBA is setup so that you really need the elite player/players and then fiill in. Hard to do it the other way around.
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Now, if we are just talking about next year (if there is a next year), then we should draft Kanter for Center and Barnes or Derrick Williams for SF. We'd then have a pretty good and talented setup to move forward with.
However, I suspect we'll go BPA regardless. So, if we get the #1 pick, then I expect Irving to be drafted despite Baron/Sessions being here. There are a million ways we could go with that #8 or so selection.
(looking at mock drafts, Benson from Oakland is expected to drop into the 2nd. I'd be all over drafting him there)
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The other thing, is that everyone just assumes we're going to get the first pick. Very rarely has the worst team actually won the first pick. It's a real possibility that we can be picking 4th and 9th this year ... in a year where there are no sure-fire elite stars, and even worse depth. At 4th, we'd be picking the leftovers of the elite guys, and by 9th ... we'd really be hoping to find a diamond in the rough.
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I agree with the no-elite-talent (at least it's as fraught with risks as this year's NFL draft since we know little to nothing about Kanter and the Euros, Irving's injury sidelined his season, and Derrick Williams wasn't considered a high pick a year ago. Only Barnes has remained rock-solid and there are concerns he can't lead a team due to his demeanor)
However, depending on who comes out, I think there is plenty of depth in the draft. It's just that the 2nd tier of players is 2X this year without a 1st tier (if they all get scared by the lockout this could change)
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Hickson is the best player on a bad team. With LeBron leaving he's going to get more touches. He's averaging 13/8 in his 3rd season. Those numbers are hardly eye-popping.
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Look at a starting 5 of Davis, Varejao, Hickson, and a high pick at SF and SG (who can create and consistently knock down shots) and with the backups already in place and this could be rather nice. The ability to bring another high quality PG like Sessions off the bench, being 3 deep at Center with Hollis and Erden, solid depth at PF with Jamison and others ..... and decent depth at SF with Harangody and others ...... I kind of like that idea.
Sounds a lot like the 2010-11 Los Angeles Clippers who started the season with Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Ryan Gomes, Blake Griffin, and Chris Kaman as their starting five. With Al-Farouq Aminu, Randy Foye, DeAndre Jordan, Eric Bledsoe, and Craig Smith coming off the bench. If anything that Clipper team is much better than the team you described....they are currently 29-45.
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No. It is a weak draft class. There is no consensus #1 pick for a reason; most of the players that will be taken at the top of the first round will turn out to be role players.
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Plus .... the Cavaliers will get 2 of the Heat 1st round picks taken in any of the 4 years from 2013-2017. If the Heat do implode .... or cap restriction tighten to the point where the Heat Choke on the contracts they gave out to the 3MeEgos
If the Heat do implode they are still a 7 or 8 seed. And it's not like Miami has a high payroll as it is. They currently have a $65,356,624 payroll, 21st in the NBA. Hardly reason to choke on some contracts. If anything we will just see the league reduce current player salaries like the NHL did during their labor situation.
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Anyway ... sure I'm an optimist ..... but that's just me.
Yeah, you were so optimistic when Mangini was fired and Shurmur was hired.
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Think they're showing other teams how to beat the Heat right here?
Had to revist this comment from last night. I think the book is already out on how to beat the Heat. They're softer than cumulus clouds in the middle ... so you play them aggressive, you play them hard in the paint, and you rough them up when you can. Wade and Lebron will be forced to carry the load, and they risk running themselves tired.
I almost wonder if Byron had this game in mind a week or so ago when he put Hollins in at starting center, and pushed him to be more aggressive. We've been really weak (as well as undersized) in the middle all season. I think he knew that we would have to play a different kind of game if we wanted to have any hope of beating them.
The Heat want to play a finesse type game. Bosh isn't going to pound it inside, Lebron refuses to play a post game. And the rest of the guys they have on the team aren't going to get it done down low either.
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which is why it was so disheartening to see the Celtics trade away Perkins (for this season).
the saying there is still that they expected him to bolt in FA (many said Miami but I don't know how they'd pull that one off), so it makes sense for them to get Jeff Green for the longer term (and OKC gets Perkins w/ an extension)
but, the Celtics have gone from a core group (Rondo,Ray,Pierce,Garnett) surrounded by defensive guys to the same core group, but surrounded by more offensive minded guys (really the only defensive guy they brought in is Delonte and he's not exactly stable in any form of that word).
as it is, it's looking like Boston v. Miami will be the 2nd round matchup (though it would be sweet to see Philly knock off the Heat in the 1st round, I doubt it would happen)
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one thing with boston though. their transition defense has always been great in the playoffs.
the heat live off transition. wade and james are probably the best open court combo in the history of the league, but if you make that team play half court sets and you limit that running, i think boston beats them easily. i hope they meet up, it would be good tv. i'm not 100% sold on the bulls. i think they are having a nice season, derek rose is clearly the mvp, but that team has not gotten out of the first round since mj sank that jumper in front of byron russell.
and i'm not buying that boston is falling apart because they have been lackluster during the homestretch of the regular season. i've seen that movie before. boston could care less about seeding. they can win on the road. i don't think it matters to them. they're just recharging their batteries. they may not win it all but i don't think this recent trend will have any bearing on the playoffs.
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the Bulls and the Spurs are the deepest teams with great team defense sets. these things are great for posting good regular season numbers and needed for the playoffs, but I think it's making them seem better than they really will be in a playoff series.
I think the Magic beat the Bulls in the 2nd round
and I think the Thunder take out the Spurs in the 2nd round (assuming the Thunder end up in the 4/5 slot)
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i like the lakers. i'm not a kobe hater. i think the guy is one of the all time greats, i love artest. gasol is awesome, but man i am tired of seeing them in the finals. we need some new blood. if it's celtics and lakers again, i'm probably not going to watch.
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i like the lakers. i'm not a kobe hater. i think the guy is one of the all time greats, i love artest. gasol is awesome, but man i am tired of seeing them in the finals. we need some new blood. if it's celtics and lakers again, i'm probably not going to watch.
agreed. Thunder vs. Magic would be my preferred matchup. pretty sure Stern doesn't endorse that one though.
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Danny Ainge = Worst GM Ever.
Barring unforeseen injuries, the Celts would have gotten revenge in this year's Finals until Ainge traded away the one guy they absolutely needed in that series.
Now I have to stomach another Lakers championship and a bunch of crap talk about if Kobe is as good as MJ because he has 6 rings too.
Oh joy.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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i would sign up for the thunder and the magic, or really thunder vs anyone. love that team. if perk is healthy they can beat the lakers. wouldn't favor them, but upset would be very possible.
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We'll agree to disagree ... and see what happens when it all happens.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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