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Just to play devils advocate, picking Peterson does very little to help us against the run.. so great, we can have a top 5 pass defense because nobody needs to throw on us... I happen to think defensive secondary is down on our list of needs...
I think we need talent....period
I'd take BPA this draft except for LT, C and QB....We have NO depth at ANY position. We seriously need starters or depth at OG, RT, WR, RB, CB, S, DE, DT, MLB, OLB....why wouldn't we take BPA?
Not saying Peterson is BPA, but I'd prefer the front offense to just load up, even if at 1-2 positions. BTW, if the Browns could play man-to-man with Haden and Peterson, couldn't we theoretically put 7-8 in th box thus helping the run?
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Corners play a significant role in stopping the run as well..
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Also, despite some pretty heavy draft/FA activity focused on CB, somehow we still managed to be out-talented and very little depth in our secondary.
Edit: Also, picking up Peterson actually gives us a (gasp) area of strength for our defense. We start to build an identity. That's another thing that the Browns have lacked for a long time. While the other teams in our division certainly can pound the rock, their passing games are becoming (or are) their bread and butter.
If picking up Peterson moves Wright to 3rd CB and Brown to Safety... I could definitely live with that. We can still get good Dline talent later in the draft (some trading up might be necessary). Also, FA dlineman can hold us over for a little while (worked for Detroit, somewhat). Then again, we got rid of our stopgap Dlinemen, so maybe the braintrust is focusing on that area for this draft.
If AJ Green and Peterson are still on the board when we're up, that'll be a really tough decision. Then again, I won't be disappointed with either pick.
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Frankly, if Petersen is there and you pass on him....
The offense needs some weapons, but you can get a quality WR later. How often do you get to have two shutdown CBs in the same defensive backfield?
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I will PUKE if we go WR in the 1st round.
We need to build the lines first. (especially important in the 4-3 defense) We have the makings of a strong secondary, but without pressure, they can onlt do so much.
Make the engine as powerful as possible, then add the accessories like WRs.
Gerard Warren...
To be fair, this isn't the same FO that drafted Gerard Warren.
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Besides that, doesn't it make sense to draft "skill" positions like WR, CB, and QB first to give them more time to get acclimatized to their position at an NFL level. Then go ahead and draft dline and oline type postions, which are generally more "draft the guy and plug him right in" type positions (especially 1st day picks at those positions)?
For a talent-starved team like us, where we are in a position to choose between an awesome dlineman, and an awesome WR or CB, I would pick up that WR or CB, and wait until next year to get that awesome dlineman (because you're going to suck either way this coming year, due to the overall level of talent on your team). By picking that WR sooner, you give him more time to develop before expectations for the team are higher.
Does that even make sense?
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I don't know if any lineman is just a 'plug them in' type of player. My view is that if you can effectively take away one aspect of your opponents game or be able to take advantage of their weaknesses than you are more likely to win.
Taking away an opponent's ability (or desire) to throw the ball allows you to concentrate your DL and LB to concentrate more on the run. If you can force 3-and-outs from your opponent, your offense will get it's shot to make plays.
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Why do the Ravens and Steelers get top talent picking late every year.
This is just my opinion and it is largely intangible... I think it is more the atmosphere they bring them into than it is that they get better players.... nobody will ever convince me that the Steelers and Patriots are just so good at gleening talent that their later draft picks are better than other teams earlier draft picks.... but you take these guys and bring them into a stable environment, stable coaching staff, stable ownership, veteran leaders, expectation of excellence and winning, attitude of "we are going to win next year with or without you" so take your time to learn...
It is just way different than coming here where we NEED you to step up and be a star from day 1 so we can get to 7 wins...
The Browns have had 2 kinds of coaches for the last 10 years... either they are in their 1st or 2nd year and they are still getting their personnel together and implementing their system or they are in their 3rd and 4th year and are therefore on the hot seat for not winning and are about to be fired...
all valid and honest points yet I still think Newsome in Baltimore and whomever in Pittsburgh select very well. Our carnival run front office days are a thing of the past. tearing down the team every couple years does not help either. the Steelers have had three coaches since 1969 our list Collier,Skorich, Gregg, Rutigliano, Marty, Carson, Belichik(version1), Palmer, Davis, Rac, Mangenious, Shurmer...11 coaches and that includes three years on ice so i do not disagree with your point.
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Same here. We need offensive production. If you cant score, you dont win in this league.
I would not be upset if we went with a DL at #6 because we need line help, but we are in desperate need of a true #1 wideout, too. Our offense has been plodding - at best - the past two seasons. We need to give it a kick in the ass.
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