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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-osuprobe030711


Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was informed that several Buckeyes players were selling memorabilia more than eight months before the school claims it was made aware of the scheme, a two-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has found.

Tressel received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010, according to a source. However, neither Ohio State nor the NCAA investigated the transactions or the players’ relationship with Rife until December 2010, when the school claims it was informed of the situation by the local United States Attorney’s office.

Ohio State director of compliance Doug Archie declined immediate comment when reached Monday by Yahoo! Sports. Tressel and athletic director Gene Smith were unavailable for comment. The NCAA declined comment.


At a Dec. 23 press conference, Jim Tressell said he had only recently found out about players selling memorabilia.

A federal probe into Rife revealed he was in possession of multiple pieces of Buckeyes football memorabilia that previously belonged to five players: quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, wideout DeVier Posey, defensive end Solomon Thomas and offensive lineman Mike Adams. Federal officers contacted the school Dec. 7 to determine if the goods were stolen or instead sold by the players for cash, as Rife claimed.

According to a source, a concerned party reached out to Tressel last April, alerting the coach that memorabilia transactions had taken place between Rife and a handful of Buckeyes players, including Pryor. The selling of items violates NCAA eligibility rules. The source said Tressel was troubled by the information, and the coach indicated that he would investigate the matter and take appropriate action.

Whether the coach initiated an investigation of the accusation is unclear, but all five players remained on the field in the coming months, playing out the 2010 regular season.

After Ohio State alerted the NCAA of the memorabilia sales in early December, the NCAA’s student-athlete reinstatement staff ruled the players were banned from the first five regular-season games of 2011. The players also had to repay the improper benefits gained – $2,500 for Pryor, $1,505 for Thomas, $1,250 for Posey, $1,150 for Herron and $1,000 for Adams. Linebacker Jordan Whiting also had to pay $150 to a charity for receiving a discounted tattoo.

But in a controversial part of the decision – which included lobbying by Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, according to Smith – the NCAA’s reinstatement staff ruled in late December that the five players were eligible for the 2011 Sugar Bowl game against Arkansas.

At a Dec. 23 press conference, Smith claimed the school first became aware of the memorabilia sales on Dec. 7. Smith said the athletic department was told the following day and immediately launched an investigation.

If Tressel failed to inform Smith or the Ohio State compliance department about the players’ dealings with Rife, he could be charged with multiple NCAA violations including unethical conduct, failure to monitor and a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. In general, a coach is required to act on, or pass along reasonable information about possible rule violations for further investigation.

Section 4.1(d) of Tressel’s contract with Ohio State stipulates that he “supervise and take appropriate steps to ensure … members of the Team know, recognize and comply with any such laws, University Rules and Governing Athletic Rules and immediately report to the (Athletic) Director and to the (Athletic) Department’s Office of Compliance Services in writing if any person or entity, including without limitation, representatives of Ohio State’s athletic interests, has violated or is likely to violate any such laws, University Rules and Governing Athletic Rules.”

Section 5.1 (m) of his contract also states that failure to promptly report “any violations” could lead to “termination by Ohio State for cause.”

Ohio State itself could be cited with playing ineligible players and forced to vacate its 2010 season, when it won a share of the Big Ten championship and finished 12-1. It could also face further sanctions for major infractions.

Smith was adamant at the Dec. 23 news conference that no one at Ohio State knew of the situation until the U.S. Attorney contacted them in early December.

“The athletic department was informed on Dec. 8,” Smith said.

At the Dec. 23 news conference, Smith made a point of running through the timeline of the case and thanking federal authorities for bringing the information to the university so it could act. He detailed each step of the 10-day investigation and subsequent dealings with the NCAA and Big Ten office, right up to being told of suspensions by the NCAA on the afternoon of Dec. 22.


Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said his department was informed of players selling memorabilia on Dec. 8.

Tressel neither corrected Smith nor publicly expressed any prior knowledge of the case. He intimated he had found out about the memorabilia sales recently saying he needed time to recover from the disappointment. “I’m trying to let the holidays temper me down so I’ll be more jolly on the 26th,” Tressel said.

Tressel expressed disappointment with the players after the suspensions were announced, stating that while Ohio State should’ve done a better job explaining the rules on memorabilia sales, the players’ probably knew they were doing something wrong.

“I think we all have a little sensor within us, ‘Well, I’m not sure if I should be doing this,’” Tressel said. “And then sometimes it gets overridden by what you think your necessity is. …”

“There’s a gut-wrenching feeling when you lose a game and you know you could’ve done better,” he continued later. “And then there’s one that goes beyond when you don’t feel as if you did what you should do as people. So whatever the next step of gut-wrenching is, that’s the way you feel. And we feel a responsibility for our kids on and off the field. Obviously, it’s painful.”

Tressel also suggested that the responsibility of rules compliance ultimately falls on the coaching staff.

“I think ultimately we as coaches feel as if the buck stops here – that we’re the ones that need to make things even more crystal clear than when a compliance officer might spend time with our team or an outside speaker or whatever it happens to be,” he said. “The bottom line is that we feel as if that’s our responsibility, so obviously we don’t feel good about the fact that we fell short.”

According to the Ohio State investigation, the five players sold multiple items to Rife, who displayed some of the memorabilia on his Facebook page. Among the pieces sold were Pryor’s 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award, Herron’s jersey, multiple Big Ten championship rings and multiple golden pants pendants awarded to the players for victories over the University of Michigan. Pryor, Posey, Herron, Thomas and Whiting were also cited for receiving discounted tattoos from Rife.

The Columbus Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been “stopped for traffic violations on three separate occasions while driving cars that were owned by a car salesman or a Columbus used-car lot where the salesman worked.” He’d also been allowed to test drive a car for the weekend to his home in Pennsylvania.

Archie said the school knew of two of the incidents and had deemed nothing improper. He said the school would investigate the third traffic stop in a borrowed car. There has been no update on that internal investigation.

Tressel, 58, has been a head coach for 25 years, the last 10 at Ohio State. His Buckeye teams have won at least a share of the last six Big Ten titles and captured the 2002 BCS national championship.



If this is true, what are the results? I have to feel the NCAA would come down extremely hard, but what would OSU do?

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at least he didn't offer them 200k to come to school there.

seriously, if nothing else, those kids selling their stuff proves that ohio state ain't doin what certain schools in the south probably do.

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at least he didn't offer them 200k to come to school there.

seriously, if nothing else, those kids selling their stuff proves that ohio state ain't doin what certain schools in the south probably do.




True, but this is separate from Auburn. If it is proved that Auburn paid Newton, they should be severely punished.

If Tressel knew of these violations and never reported them, then he is probably in for some major trouble.

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Tressel is probably who the U.S. Attorney General's Office got their leads on Rife from.

A "source at Yahoo" sports,....who is that ?

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These dumb ass players are gonna end up costing Ohio state a lot more than than sitting out 5 games next year


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These dumb ass players are gonna end up costing Ohio state a lot more than than sitting out 5 games next year




No kidding. I hope this source is someone like mac. I find it hard to believe Tressel would have buried his head and hoped this went away. If he did know, he must take his medicine.


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I still think it's a bunch of BS. Multiple reports have come out in the past (including one back in the fall if memory is correct) that state that even "full rides" end up having the students pay a few thousand dollars when you include all the fees and such.

I'm not arguing it's against the rules ... but what I am saying is that if any of us want to go to a pawn shop and hock our stuff or straight up sell it ... no problem. But because they are a part of the NCAA they can't ... it's a garbage by-law.


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A. Proving someone knew something is pretty hard, you can't just punish someone for hear say.

B. Tressel has never been found guilty of breaking code

C. Yahoo is known for putting things out like this when they have nothing else to report and want to make a splash. I believe it was them that was called out by the Jets for reporting something completely untrue about the Darelle revis negotiations when they couldnt name their source.

D. Rivals was also the site that said Tressel would be retiring after the Sugar Bowl.

The bottom line is this a is a pretty frickin serious thing to be accusing someone of who is considered to be one of the more upstanding coaches in the country especially when you have no concrete evidence.

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A "source at Yahoo" sports,....who is that ?




Some basement blogger.

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I still think it's a bunch of BS. Multiple reports have come out in the past (including one back in the fall if memory is correct) that state that even "full rides" end up having the students pay a few thousand dollars when you include all the fees and such.

I'm not arguing it's against the rules ... but what I am saying is that if any of us want to go to a pawn shop and hock our stuff or straight up sell it ... no problem. But because they are a part of the NCAA they can't ... it's a garbage by-law.




How is it a garbage by-law? These students sign up knowing that they can't use their position as a student athlete to get benefits that others wouldn't get. Selling your items that were received specifically becauseto you are a student athlete is a very basic violation of that rule.

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Selling your items that were received specifically because you are a student athlete is a very basic violation of that rule.




True.

It's still a fairly dumbass rule. As is the story by Yahoo. When I first read it my very first thought was, "What source? For a story like this shouldn't you have SOURCES?"

Yahoo will run it for a few days and it'll die the death it deserves.


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I just think its funny because if this story was about Lane Kiffin or Nick Saban, nobody would be questioning the sources.. the source would then be the equivalent of Walter Kronkite...


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The difference is 1. If it was Lane Kiffin, It would be true. 2. If it was Nick Saban he'd deny it, wait 2 weeks then take another job. 3. Being an OSU hater is very unbecoming on you.


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Being an OSU hater is very unbecoming on you.




Doesn't make him any less correct in what he said.


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The difference is 1. If it was Lane Kiffin, It would be true. 2. If it was Nick Saban he'd deny it, wait 2 weeks then take another job. 3. Being an OSU hater is very unbecoming on you.



How does pointing out the obvious board bias and double standard make me a hater?


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Because being an Ohio State fan does not automatically mean board bias and double standards.

I would question the source for any story on Kiffen or Saban that was released by Yahoo. They have an obvious penchant for performing in this fashion.

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Because being an Ohio State fan does not automatically mean board bias and double standards.



Being an Ohio State fan does not automatically mean you act that way... but pointing out that many do does not make me a hater either.

I have made my point on here many times.. I have all the respect in the world for Tressel. Even if he is guilty of some wrong doing in a case like this, he's still one of the cleanest sharks in the tank as far as I'm concerned when it comes to college football coaches.. at least among those who continually compete at a high level... He is very much like Coach K at Duke only in a much more difficult environment... Did you know Tressel is the only major division 1 coach to actually teach a credited class on coaching (or at least he used to, I guess he still does)? Pretty cool.

Heck for that matter I like Matta too.. I think he is a decent coach and an amazing recruiter...

It is, and always has been, the OSU fans that turn me off.. and I understand its not all of them so I apologize to anybody being unfairly lumped in with the rest, but its enough to make OSU one of the most disliked college programs around among people who generally don't even care about the Big 10...


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Cowherd is giving his opinion on this right now.


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Well, if it can be proven that Tress knew about it that early and didn't report it, he deserves whatever sanctions against him.

If this is just Yahoo trying to stir crap up, Tress should sue for libel.




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If true this would surprise me from Tressel. To me he's always come across as a guy that does it by the book.


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Tressel and OSU deserve whatever, if any, punishments they incur for any wrongdoings they might have committed. That said, I am personally going to reserve the right to be skeptical of fourth-party information.

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Now that this is out there, the NCAA will sniff around.

If there is a source with any legs, Tress and the Bucks are in trouble.

If it's just some person spreading muck, it will die on the vine.


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The difference is 1. If it was Lane Kiffin, It would be true. 2. If it was Nick Saban he'd deny it, wait 2 weeks then take another job. 3. Being an OSU hater is very unbecoming on you.





I think the difference is that Tressel is known for doing things the right way.


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I think the difference is that Tressel is known for doing things the right way.



So what you are saying is, he just hasn't been caught yet.


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I think you might have a point if we were talking about Cooper. Many of us had problems with him not caring about education or the rules. Tressel is a different kind of coach.

Now I might be biased because he coached up the street from me and was very accessible. I have met the man a few times when he has come back to the area and visited my son's school. He doesn't visit our school on recruiting visits (I do not think any player has ever been looked at by OSU). He does it because my son's coach played for him and won a national championship as his QB.

I just can't see the man I know he is doing what he is being accused of.


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Thats all you can do because you know all of this is heresay right now.

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I always thought that Tressel conducted himself and ran his squads pretty much above board. He was and still is highly respected here in Youngstown not only for his national championships but for how he emphasized academics and mentored his players. When I attended YSU during his tenure the way faculty and staff and student atheletes talked about him this story having ANY legs would be a complete 180 on the kind of man he is.

That being said, I wonder, if there is any truth to this, is the "source" who told Tressel credible? I mean if someone just walked up to him and said he saw so and so do this and that how obligated is he to conduct a full scale investigation? He could very well be spending an enormous amount of time investigating lies.

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at least they aren't recruiting violations. there is no doubt that if the accusations are true, that ohio state should be held accountable. but at least they aren't like auburn where they blatently payed a player a six figure income to come and play for them. er, i mean "allegedly"

i don't see it as a huge deal because the kids payed back their stuff. and it has nothing to do with me being an ohio state fan. i just think it's not that big of a deal in general.

recruiting violations are far far worse in my book.

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I would be stunned if Tressel did anything like this.


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Thats all you can do because you know all of this is heresay right now.



Speaking ill of Jim Tressel is heresy?


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at least they aren't recruiting violations. there is no doubt that if the accusations are true, that ohio state should be held accountable. but at least they aren't like auburn where they blatently payed a player a six figure income to come and play for them. er, i mean "allegedly"

i don't see it as a huge deal because the kids payed back their stuff. and it has nothing to do with me being an ohio state fan. i just think it's not that big of a deal in general.

recruiting violations are far far worse in my book.




They paid their stuff back because they got caught and were forced to. Them receiving extra benefits is the same as anyone else, and just because they were forced to pay it back does not mean they are all the sudden innocent.

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nobody is saying they are innocent. perhaps you should read my comment again.

i said i just don't see it as a huge deal. especially when the national champion payed a player a six figure income to come and play for their school.

i also said they should be held accountable. not sure if you caught that or not.

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nobody is saying they are innocent. perhaps you should read my comment again.

i said i just don't see it as a huge deal. especially when the national champion payed a player a six figure income to come and play for their school.

i also said they should be held accountable. not sure if you caught that or not.




You assume that Auburn is guilty yet also assume that OSU is innocent. Why is that?

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nobody is saying they are innocent. perhaps you should read my comment again.

i said i just don't see it as a huge deal. especially when the national champion payed a player a six figure income to come and play for their school.

i also said they should be held accountable. not sure if you caught that or not.




You assume that Auburn is guilty yet also assume that OSU is innocent. Why is that?




are you illiterate? i never said ohio state was innocent. for the second time now.

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You slay me

DC, I was refering to the allegations as being heresay

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Yeah, and he was refering to your spelling of "hearsay" looking awfully similar to the word heresy.

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