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It was a lapse in judgment
Tressel has already admitted as much.
What the final consequence will be, we can only speculate.
OSU will move on and with Tressel as Head Coach.
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no no, i have no problem with the suspension. because there was in infraction.
i just think it's hilarious that osu gets bumped for tattoos and selling 1200 in merch but the ncaa didn't try hard enough to prove the OBVIOUS problem down at auburn.
oh, but he didn't know. it was his dad. the kid had no idea that pops banked 180k.
The problem I have with the kid's suspension's lengths was that $1200 in merch & tats to some schmuck gets 5 games and (1) $1000 jersey to an agent gets 2 games (AJ Green) or (2) taking $2000 from an agent (Marcel Dareus) gets 2 games. Doesn't seem equitable.
That being said, they did the crime, they do the time. Same with Tressel, though one would hope that if he was told to keep quiet by Feds that the NCAA would take that into consideration when looking at additional sanctions.
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The first email says nothing about being confidential. Ther others simply say "This is confidential." I work in finance, and many things are confidential to people who are not relevant to the confidential information, but the information can be shared with those who are relevant to the information. The NCAA was definitely relevant when it came to that information.
Plus, Tressel sounds anything but scared for the kids in those emails, as he said so many times in his press conference.
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Plus, Tressel sounds anything but scared for the kids in those emails, as he said so many times in his press conference.
Are you being sarcastic? How can you detect fear through text?
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Plus, Tressel sounds anything but scared for the kids in those emails, as he said so many times in his press conference.
Are you being sarcastic? How can you detect fear through text?
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He never mentioned the players or their well being. At all.
If he was that worried worried about it, he would have mentioned something over the course of 3 months.
Also, notice how Tressel never asks about what to do with the NCAA, or anything at all for that matter. I think if the NCAA comes down hard, it will be because of that. He didn't show any intention at all of mentioning it. Even when he had the chance in December, and he had been told in June that the Feds had come to a resolution with the tattoo artist.
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He said himself in his press conference that he didn't think of talking to the NCAA about it.
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I'm going to pull a Mac and pretend this info never came out and I never read it.
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This was indeed a bad black eye. It's always about how you get up off the canvas though.
Shame that the NCAA's failure in the Cam Newton deal will define how harshly JT gets punished. I believe he'll get a big fine and some additional game suspensions.
Scholarship reductions are too fierce a punishment for ANY school. They unintentionally impact the future of potential student-athletes who had no choice than to become victims.
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This was indeed a bad black eye. It's always about how you get up off the canvas though.
Shame that the NCAA's failure in the Cam Newton deal will define how harshly JT gets punished. I believe he'll get a big fine and some additional game suspensions.
Scholarship reductions are too fierce a punishment for ANY school. They unintentionally impact the future of potential student-athletes who had no choice than to become victims.
But scholarship reductions are the only way to truly punish a program. Do you think Tressel will be missed against Akron and Toledo? Do you think he will lose sleep over $3.5 million rather than $3.75 million?
Scholarship reduction hurts a team much more than that, so it is also the biggest deterrent.
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Scholarships reductions are usually reserved for things like playing players. The players were trading gear for tatoos. I don't see the NCAA taking away scholarships for that, they could, but I don't see it.
I think the worst case scenario will be they forfit last season and have to vacate the title, Tressel will get 5 games with his players and that will be that.
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I am reading the posts on sports websites, the comments from posters, the reaction of some in the media and it is like you can do a thousand things right, and no one bats an eye, you do one thing wrong and you are scum.
For all the good that Tressel has done for Columbus, Youngstown, the hundreds of players that he coached or his the books he authored all gets swept under the rug of you are no better than the worst offenders.
I see him being called a cheat, a liar, and worse and it is what it is but everyone makes mistakes. No one is perfect and this doesn't invalidate who Jim Tressel is or what he stands for.
He has got to take his lumps like the rest of his, learn and move on. But oh . . . do people wait to pounce . . . .
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6194162COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel received an e-mail last April telling him that two of his players were caught up in a federal drug-trafficking case and the sale of memorabilia, breaking NCAA rules.
Tressel responded: "I will get on it ASAP."
ESPN college football analyst Chris Spielman says Ohio State coach Jim Tressel didn't investigate the potential violations because he was trying to protect his players. Tressel needs to own his mistakes and be accountable for his actions.
But he never mentioned it to Ohio State's compliance department or his athletic director for more than nine months.
On Tuesday, Tressel was suspended for the first two games of the 2011 season and fined $250,000 for violating NCAA rules by failing to notify the school about the players' involvement. He also will receive a public reprimand and must make a public apology.
The NCAA is still investigating and could reject Ohio State's self-imposed penalties and add more sanctions.
"Obviously I'm disappointed that this happened at all," Tressel said. "I take my responsibility for what we do at Ohio State tremendously seriously and for the game of football. I plan to grow from this. I'm sincerely saddened by the fact that I let some people down and didn't do things as well as I possibly could have."
Last December, the NCAA suspended quarterback Terrelle Pryor and four teammates for the first five games on the 2011 season for selling jerseys, championship rings and trophies to a local tattoo parlor owner. The suspensions came just 16 days after the U.S. attorney told the school of a federal investigation that included players.
The school did not learn until January, however, that Tressel had been tipped off to the federal investigation back in April.
"I think that your No. 1 critic is yourself," he said at a Tuesday night news conference. "You spend time thinking about how you can do things better. I don't think less of myself at this moment. I felt at the time as if I was doing the right thing for the safety of the young people and the overall situation."
Asked when he first realized that he had violated NCAA rules, Tressel blinked, faltered and hesitated -- momentarily speechless.
With Ohio State again being investigated by the NCAA, college football is digging out of yet another scandal. The 2010 season was weighed down from start to finish with NCAA issues, from North Carolina being investigated for players having improper contact with agents to the play-for-pay scheme involving Cam Newton's father that was uncovered in November.
Last week, Oregon announced the NCAA and Pac-10 was looking into the school's arrangement with a recruiting service.
The NCAA has faced criticism for going easy on rule-breakers, especially for letting Ohio State's guilty players participate in the Allstate Sugar Bowl and for not punishing Newton, the Auburn quarterback, for his father's misdeeds.
Tressel said he never thought of resigning, and Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said he never seriously considered firing Tressel for violating his contract, which specifies that he must immediately report any -- the word is underlined in the contract -- information which pertains to violations of NCAA, Big Ten or Ohio State bylaws and rules.
"Wherever we end up, Jim Tressel is our football coach," Smith said. "He is our coach, and we trust him implicitly."
On April 2, 2010, Tressel received an e-mail from a person he identified only as "a lawyer," who wrote that Ohio State players had been implicated in activities with Eddie Rife, a local tattoo-parlor owner, whom the federal government was investigating on charges of drug-trafficking. The e-mail, released to reporters but with the names redacted, said players were selling signed Buckeyes memorabilia and giving it to Rife in exchange for money and tattoos.
Tressel said he allowed the two players cited in the e-mail to play the entire 2010 season because he did not want to "interfere with a federal investigation" and worried that sitting eligible players would raise a "whole new set of questions."
The Buckeyes coach said he was trying to protect his players by not breaking the confidentiality of the federal investigation.
"Admittedly, I probably did not give quite as much thought to the potential NCAA part of things," he said.
Along with Pryor, starting receiver DeVier Posey, leading rusher Dan Herron, offensive lineman Mike Adams and backup defensive lineman Solomon Thomas were suspended for selling memorabilia, but allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl, which the Buckeyes won 31-26 against Arkansas.
Shortly after Ohio State returned from New Orleans, the university began reviewing its information on an unrelated legal issue, Smith said Tuesday, and Tressel acknowledged he had not told everything he knew about his players and their relationship with the tattoo parlor and its owner.
"I plan to grow from this," Tressel said. "I'm sincerely saddened by the fact that I let some people down and didn't do things as well as I possibly could have."
Ohio State president Gordon Gee said he and Tressel had discussed the violation at Gee's house for 3 hours one night.
Gee also said he had not considered dismissing the Buckeyes coach.
"No, are you kidding?" he said with a laugh. "Let me be very clear. I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me."
This was not the first time Tressel or his players have run into problems with the NCAA.
Ray Isaac, a star quarterback at Youngstown State, accepted improper inducements including cars. Tressel was found to have done an incomplete investigation of those allegations, with Youngstown State later serving penalties. In addition, Maurice Clarett, who led the Buckeyes to the 2002 national championship, and Troy Smith, winner of the 2006 Heisman Trophy, were suspended by the NCAA for receiving money and other benefits from boosters.
In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment.
The Buckeyes open next season with games against Akron and Toledo, likely playing those without their coach and their star quarterback.
The team resumed workouts this week -- with all of the suspended players participating, and with Tressel in the middle of practice with a whistle around his neck.
Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I am reading the posts on sports websites, the comments from posters, the reaction of some in the media and it is like you can do a thousand things right, and no one bats an eye, you do one thing wrong and you are scum.
For all the good that Tressel has done for Columbus, Youngstown, the hundreds of players that he coached or his the books he authored all gets swept under the rug of you are no better than the worst offenders.
I see him being called a cheat, a liar, and worse and it is what it is but everyone makes mistakes. No one is perfect and this doesn't invalidate who Jim Tressel is or what he stands for.
He has got to take his lumps like the rest of his, learn and move on. But oh . . . do people wait to pounce . . . .
think of it as a compliment.
people couldn't wait to pound on the buckeyes. they are everyone's yankees in college football. they consistently win. they won a championship when nobody in the world outside of ohio gave them a chance. they appear in more bcs games and crank out more first round nfl talent than any other program.
and they do it all within their own state for the most part. people are jelous. when this story came out they couldn't wait.
like i said. i think they should be punished, both coach tressel and the kids accordingly, but i don't think this is anywhere near as bad as what went on at usc, and what obviously went on at auburn. it's not even close. disagree all you want, but it's not even close.
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I am reading the posts on sports websites, the comments from posters, the reaction of some in the media and it is like you can do a thousand things right, and no one bats an eye, you do one thing wrong and you are scum.
For all the good that Tressel has done for Columbus, Youngstown, the hundreds of players that he coached or his the books he authored all gets swept under the rug of you are no better than the worst offenders.
I see him being called a cheat, a liar, and worse and it is what it is but everyone makes mistakes. No one is perfect and this doesn't invalidate who Jim Tressel is or what he stands for.
He has got to take his lumps like the rest of his, learn and move on. But oh . . . do people wait to pounce . . . .
think of it as a compliment.
people couldn't wait to pound on the buckeyes. they are everyone's yankees in college football. they consistently win. they won a championship when nobody in the world outside of ohio gave them a chance. they appear in more bcs games and crank out more first round nfl talent than any other program.
and they do it all within their own state for the most part. people are jelous. when this story came out they couldn't wait.
like i said. i think they should be punished, both coach tressel and the kids accordingly, but i don't think this is anywhere near as bad as what went on at usc, and what obviously went on at auburn. it's not even close. disagree all you want, but it's not even close.
I think a lot of it isn't jealousy. I think a lot of it is because Tressel's sqeaky clean image is shovwed down everyone's throat, and it was just shattered. Every broadcast talks about how great a coach he is, and how great he is for the athletes, which may be true. But no one seems to talk about how since 2000, Ohio State has reported 375 violations of some kind, which is more than any other school. Tressel isn't as clean as some would want people to believe.
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But no one seems to talk about how since 2000, Ohio State has reported 375 violations of some kind, which is more than any other school. Tressel isn't as clean as some would want people to believe.
I take that in a different way....Ohio State is just doing a BETTER JOB of POLICING their university of violations than others who would either not find those same violations or sweep them under the carpet.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Those are my thoughts as well.
How do we know that other schools don't have alot more violations but just didn't report them because they were minor while OSU reported all violations no matter how minor.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel received an e-mail last April telling him that two of his players were caught up in a federal drug-trafficking case and the sale of memorabilia, breaking NCAA rules.
Who was this email from? Was the source reputable? Wouldn't the investigators want the coach to know, (and question him) if it seemed that his players were truly involved?
What is the responsibility when a coach is informed, by email, that some of his players might be under federal investigation?
It just seems to me that you have to balance the source against the charges, and the potential impact of an allegation like that on kids who might not even be the true target of such an investigation.
How far do you take email heresay?
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My understanding is that the players weren't under federal investigation, the tattoo guy was and while investigating him the Feds came across the memorabilia and reported it.
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Frankly, Tressel should be fired for his actions (or inaction) and the players should have been removed from the team.
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I think a lot of it isn't jealousy. I think a lot of it is because Tressel's sqeaky clean image is shovwed down everyone's throat, and it was just shattered.
Not only Tressel, but this "The" Ohio State University thing as a whole. From Gordon on down with his "sisters of the poor" take - it's like everyone else is a second class citizen and how dare any other school, especially in Ohio, dare to even call themselves a university.
I wish the Buckeye football team nothing but the worst and view them as I view the Steelers. Sorry.
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I thought the same thing and truthfully if it is from an attorney in the middle of a federal investigation Tressel should have sought legal counsel on how he should proceed. I don't know the legal ins and outs but if I am a coach and I hear that some of my players are selling their property to a man involved in selling drugs and under federal investigation I have to wonder just how clean my boys are. Are they exchanging goods for tattoos only? Are drugs involved?
From the information I see, it is obvious he screwed up. I just hold two thoughts simultaneously: How can a coach who has a record of reporting, not report or seek counsel, and despite this incident, how people are so VISCERAL in tearing at him is more disturbing than the incident itself. Have no faith and screw up, no big deal. Have faith and screw up . . . you are worse than human excrement.
Heck, I am reading columnists drudging up Micky Monus. You have GOT to be joking!
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Can't wait to lose to a backup QB & no head coach?
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LOL, I was thinking the same thing.
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For what? A beatdown?   lol
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I am reading the posts on sports websites, the comments from posters, the reaction of some in the media and it is like you can do a thousand things right, and no one bats an eye, you do one thing wrong and you are scum.
For all the good that Tressel has done for Columbus, Youngstown, the hundreds of players that he coached or his the books he authored all gets swept under the rug of you are no better than the worst offenders.
I see him being called a cheat, a liar, and worse and it is what it is but everyone makes mistakes. No one is perfect and this doesn't invalidate who Jim Tressel is or what he stands for.
He has got to take his lumps like the rest of his, learn and move on. But oh . . . do people wait to pounce . . . .
He is a liar. Hiding the truth when asked directly if he knew about anything is lying. Because he knew, and didn't report it, he knowingly played ineligible players. That is a blatant violation of the rules.
This doesn't take away from the man Tressel is, it just proves that he is no where near the man that he was made out to be for so long.
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Offense taken.
Lord knows a MAC team could never beat such a superior team from the Big Ten... oh, wait.
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lol Geesh. We'll see what happens when you guys play us minus our head coach and a bunch of starters.
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Because he knew, and didn't report it, he knowingly played ineligible players. That is a blatant violation of the rules.
How did he knowingly play ineligible players? The players weren't ruled ineligible until the NCAA did their investigation which was later on. No investigation had been done yet so nobody knew for sure what was going to happen.
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I think the NCAA is going to come down on OSU & Tressel a lot harder than this tiny fine and worthless suspension. They won't cripple them either. The NCAA knows OSU and Tressel are good for the conference and national football landscape.
If he knew, didn't report it, and then lied about knowing...he deserves anything that is handed down.
One note about Auburn and Newton, there wasn't any speculation about Newton getting a payoff to play for the Tigers. There was only evidence of Newton's dad asking for cash to play at a smaller university. That's not to say Auburn didn't offer/pay anything but this was more or less about Miss State and the Newton's, not Auburn.
As far as OSU versus Toledo...bring it on. The Rockets have beaten quite a few Big Ten teams in the past 20 years. If OSU is short the coach and 5 of their best players, it makes the game a lot closer than it would have. We'll see.
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How did he knowingly play ineligible players?
He knew about the violations in April. The players played the entire season.
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How did he knowingly play ineligible players? The players weren't ruled ineligible until the NCAA did their investigation which was later on. No investigation had been done yet so nobody knew for sure what was going to happen.
The NCAA didn't know because Tressel didn't inform them. He knew they were getting inproper benefits, which makes them ineligible, and he ignored it.
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How could the NCAA rule them ineligible if Tressel is hiding the knowledge of the improper benefits they received?
If he reports them, as he should have, they would probably be suspended for part or all of last season. He knew that.
That makes Tressel a "cheater" and could potentially wipe away the entire season plus BCS win.
I personally like the guy. And I know the arguments of "everyone else is cheating", "but he's really a good guy", and "this is so minor, it's a freaking tattoo". But rules are rules and he didn't follow them.
If I were the NCAA I'd quadruple the fine, cancel the suspension, wipe 2010 clean, hit the program with a decent loss in scholarships, and maybe keep them out of a BCS game in 2011 (if they qualify). I think they already ruled on the players, so they can't suspend them longer.
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OK.....put yourself in his position....On one side you you keep your mouth shut and you face NCAA suspensions, Fines, and even losing your job....on the other side you open your mouth the press get a hold of it and take off with it and blow it out of major proportions and you blow a FEDERAL drug investigation and face FEDERAL PRISON.......Hmmmm decisions.....decisions......
Did he handle it incorrectly.....Absolutely. There were things he could have done, as was mentioned. Such as contacting his lawyer, contacting the people who told him to be quiet about things to see if there was something they could work out. But in the end...following NCAA by the book would have blown a federal drug investigation out of the water and things would be far worse. And as one person said....Federal Law trumps NCAA rules every time.
I say he takes his licking(as he should...he broke the rules and should face those concequences) and keeps on ticking...End of story...everything else is just hater-vision.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Those are some USC-like sanctions you threw out there.
And that was just Bush taking money from an agent. And "supposedly" (if you believe Pete Carroll) the school didn't even know.
Let's go hypothetical. Let's say Carroll really didn't know and Bush took the money. What's worse? That or Tressel not reporting violations.
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Please help me understand something about the "and you blow a FEDERAL drug investigation and face FEDERAL PRISON" comment.
If he called the NCAA and said, "I got this notification that X players were involved with this improper benefit scandal but we can't go public with this because there's a Federal drug investigation going on alongside it. Let's schedule a call with the Feds, us [OSU], and you [NCAA] to decide what to do."
Doesn't that work? By hiding behind the "I couldn't say anything" comment, it appears he was just hiding to preserve his chances at winning.
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Those are some USC-like sanctions you threw out there.
And that was just Bush taking money from an agent. And "supposedly" (if you believe Pete Carroll) the school didn't even know.
Let's go hypothetical. Let's say Carroll really didn't know and Bush took the money. What's worse? That or Tressel not reporting violations.
Oh, I didn't follow what the punishment to USC was. I only knew they got busted for the Bush stuff. If they were similar, than it was by coincidence only (or I'm really good  ).
Without talking about real or potential punishments, I would say what Tressel did was worse (assuming Carroll didn't know).
If Carroll knew, they're about the same.
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I am reading the posts on sports websites, the comments from posters, the reaction of some in the media and it is like you can do a thousand things right, and no one bats an eye, you do one thing wrong and you are scum.
OSU is a notorious NCAA offender. They've had 375 violations since 2000.
Columbus Dispatch Story
Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests.
OSU is hardly an innocent bystander here and that includes Tressel. The national perception is that OSU toes the line more than any other team that hasn't been caught, so is it really surprising that the casual fan is all over this story? I'm not trying to get in a long winded argument, the evidence is there (that they're not squeaky clean).
The whole "confidentiality" thing is a pretty weak attempt for an excuse. The lawyer who supplied information to Tressel is the one who stood to be in hot water over it, not Tressel (had he simply done his job and sought advice on how to handle it).
Plus, do you guys honestly think the NCAA would have gone to the media if a federal case hinged on them keeping quiet? I mean, come on. OSU could have suspended the players for a "violation of team rules" and issued a statement that more information would be available at another time.
Tressel has been a college coach for how long now? You're honestly going to tell me he didn't know how serious it was to not relay this type of information on to the right parties? AND to continue to play players he KNEW would be ineligible because of the infractions (free tattoos, memorabilia sales, etc.)?
I despise how Auburn's situation was handled but using that as an excuse for what OSU is doing / has done is just an attempt to skirt the issue. Michigan got nailed for "stretch gate". To think schools are paying parents and playing ineligible players (and possibly not suffering any real consequences) is a bit ridiculous.
I don't buy the "protect the kids" garbage Tressel is laying down. By playing them he's facing a forfeiture of games, a BT championship and a BCS bowl win. How is that "looking out for the kids"? He was looking out for his own interests (conference bonuses, BCS bonuses, etc.). Anyone who's trying to convince themselves otherwise isn't looking at this objectively IMO.
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